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12:45 AM
@AdrianMole In case additional evidence was needed that the "possible spam" text is not much more effective than a random number generator: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/28425740
(it was a poor attempt at an edit, but certainly not spam)
 
Probably as good as Turbo-C's rand().
 
1:03 AM
@RyanM xkcd 221
 
1:17 AM
hehe
Is 4 more or less random than 3? Prove it!
 
 
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2:20 AM
@KenWhite Technically that's spam because it's a job offer.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Possibly technically, but a spam flag carries penalties. The poster is new to the site, and it seemed a little unreasonable to me rather than just a close and delete.
 
Fair point. I'm inclined to tolerance today.
 
2:52 AM
@mickmackusa You kicked out :(. Context pls.
 
Thanks.
Generally, no RO kick, suggest before the kick. Strange case.
 
@Shree What do you mean? An RO kicked me out. I think a couple days earlier I mentioned a post where 3 high rep users all took turns answering via comments instead of posting an answer and I wanted to discuss effective options regarding combatting direct violations of page design. My messages were not warmly welcomed because they were interpreted as targeting specific users.
 
3:10 AM
@mickmackusa So why kicked from the room. I Don't see any reason to kick you.
 
Because the RO deemed my labelling to be an attack on a specific user, I suppose. I was very shocked.
I'm starting to think that users with >25K rep should not be able to earn rep on pages which are closed as duplicates. This way knowledgeable users will not be incentivized to answer duplicates and therefore will be more likely to provide support by the way of closing as duplicates -- which this community needs more of anyhow.
What good is 1M unicorn points if you just keep saying the same thing over and over?
4
 
You are the valid person for the room and I don't think it's a valid RO judgement.
 
Probably a cumulative effect due to my perceived tone and history of non-delicate vernacular.
It's over now. I just hope Mak locks the page. stackoverflow.com/q/66063316/2943403
 
@mickmackusa Makyen rene TylerH better gives an answer. Never over, the same situation raise and what we do is the major question?
 
3:26 AM
@mickmackusa I am already completely aware of the situation and have chosen to neither lock the question nor clear the reopen vote at this time. Other than the comment you left, there has been no status change on the question since the comments I left. If something additional happens wrt. the status of the question, then I will reconsider other options for the question.
 
@Makyen cool beans
I tried to review the page from the Reopen Review Queue, but it never came up for me (after I adjusted the filter to Duplicates tagged regex). I guess I am exempt from reviewing it because I already voted to close it.
 
3:50 AM
@mickmackusa That does seem logical, but I'm not sure if that's actually how it works. At least, if you vote to reopen a question, I think you can review it in the Close votes queue, which is a symmetric case. I asked about this seemingly odd behavior earlier today on MSO.
 
If there are any php devs in the audience please review this answer to see if there is something dv-worthy about it. stackoverflow.com/a/66404346/2943403 I'd like feedback.
 
@mickmackusa The other answer get 1 dv too; on the other hand there's no dv on the other answer. Perhaps someone have a bad day or something.
Doesn't look like targeted down voting either.
 
All of the other answers were downvoted 2 days ago when the question was Unclear. They were inventing variables/input data that the OP was not offering. The question should not have been answered when those answers were posted.
All of the comments that stated the incomplete mcve have since been removed @user202729
After the OP clarified the question, it was reopened, I edited the question to improve the formatting and I answered.
The downvotes on my answer came one yesterday and one just a few moments ago. There has been no new activity on the page, so no reason for fresh eyes to come to the page.
I don't care about points, but I do care when the best answer on the page has the worst vote tally on the page.
 
Did smoke detector detect that one?
 
Correction, the first dv was 3 hours ago, and the second came moments ago.
 
4:08 AM
How many times has people been complaining about back tick too easily mistakable against ' for code formatting?...
 
4:47 AM
@user202729 I see beginners making mistakes with that several times a week, but not very many explicit complaints
 
Saw one yesterday for the first time
 
@cigien cc @Makyen for 2) yes, at least as of a week ago.
 
@RyanM Ah, thanks. I'm less concerned about this case because the question was edited after you voted to close. So it's not entirely unreasonable that you got to review it in the reopen queue. Getting to review it when the question hasn't been edited seems very strange though.
 
That's an interesting case that I'm not sure if I've seen, since that would, in most cases, require a 3k user actively casting a reopen vote, presumably making it much rarer.
 
It can happen on Meta at least, so I'm assuming it can happen on Main as well. It would be rare to happen by accident, that's true. But since one can filter in the queues, it seems there's potential for abuse here.
 
5:35 AM
I like that they tagged it JPEG as though they already knew...and it is, in fact, a JPEG. (context)
 
5:51 AM
Grrr. This page is gonna get unjustly re-opened again, I know it! imgur.com/a/EbQJnsG
 
Hey guys, does this look like spam question to you? stackoverflow.com/q/66434159/5515060
I have a bad feeling, but I am not entirely sure
 
@Lino Feels spammy to me.
 
Makyen took care of it.
 
6:37 AM
@tripleee RO could you flush this one to the Graveyard too? sorry for the typo in the tag
 
6:51 AM
 
7:06 AM
@Droid its spam
 
Hi. Can I bring up posts i'd like help working out how to deal with here? because I am quite big on helping by flagging problem posts (since I don't have other powers yet)
 
There were several such spam posts already yesterday
 
^^^ yep blatantly spam
 
@TheGrandJ Have a look at the FAQ
 
What if i don't know what to tag or don't know if it is bad? Do I need to make that tag thing to discuss what needs to be done? I have looked at the FAQ but I find it a bit confusing.
 
7:12 AM
Maybe this helps also. What kind of posts do you want to bring up? Questions that should be closed?
 
Questions that could be on topic but are badly handled and look like they might actually need closing/removal/deletion but it is hard to tell. And not talking about VLQ questions
So essentially If i generally just flag things for closure already when I deem necessary but sometimes I find questions that look like they are wrong or violate terms but don't seem to fit any flag category and I don't want to raise a custom flag for. Those types of questions.
I've actually been really shy to talk here. I like to help keep the site clean but I don't want to break any expectations because it's really really easy on SO I noticed. So I wanted to know if it is okay to discuss the correct way to handle posts rather than try to just say here is a sucky post, close for me. Because that is not my purpose.
 
@TheGrandJ Yes.
 
@TheGrandJ you can always ask here about a question, preferable using this format: Is this question answerable: https://link.to.question and if not what close reason should I use. A similar approach can work for answers where you ask if something is flagable as NAA or VLQ.
 
You can bring up posts for discussion if you're unsure (but not users). Alos useful is this.
 
The regulars here might give advice when they feel they have something useful to say. Believe me, most do ...
 
7:21 AM
ok so is this question answerable: stackoverflow.com/q/66434678/12672179 to me it seems illegal but it also seems like a valid question if we removed everything about any sort of test. It kinda seems like a homework and since it uses the word test it makes me worry that it is illegal since helping with tests is illegal in some places. So I really don't know if this needs a close with a reason or just a simple easy edit.
Although then again it looks like it might need more info. Stuff like this really makes me unsure in what to do
 
@TheGrandJ not awesome, but I think that is answerable.
 
Okay so the first bit in there about the test is not a worry point?
 
maybe ask them which rdbms they use so they can add that tag
 
it is illegal since helping with tests is illegal in some places not really.. we cant know what the conditions of the test/homework is. Read meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/334822/…
 
@TheGrandJ no, not for me. Maybe for their teacher ....
 
7:27 AM
Easy enough. Thanks. I didn't want to head in there and raise a flag for a non-existent issue. I'll go and delete my old comment and just ask for the previous bit of the question if possible but otherwise I guess it doesn't really need any flags or anything. Thanks for the help!
 
you're welcome!
 
 
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@rene do you have a query for the number of tags a question had when a answer was posted?
Trying to figure out how to count questions that has not been edited :D
 
@Braiam posthistory where posthistorytypeid = 3, text field contains the tags between angle brackets <php><mysql> , do string_split on '<' to get the count +1 of tags
 
@rene Yeah, that I figured it out, the problem is that I'm already counting answers posted between a posthistorytypeid = 3 and 6, but that excludes those that have not been tag edited
I'm having troubles mixing both
Probably would need several cte
 
From the SD report: Is this question even on-topic or customer support?
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/66426694/… OP published an unrestricted and fully accessible API key along with the question. Shall I raise a mod flag to get it removed from the question and history or what would be the process? Or should we just leave it and let OP face the consequences?
 
@JeanneDark that looks like customer support or more precise: play/app store support. For the latter there is a specific MSO post IIRC.
 
@JeanneDark perfect, thx!
 
I just got the impression that some questions about app publishing are on-topic, that's why I'm sometimes somewhat unsure
 
@JeanneDark that one will work but there was one about google play store questiosn.
@JeanneDark true that, same here
mainly because I never even tried to get something in the play store
 
@rene Thanks! The voting there is pretty clear
Sneaky, that spam above was self-deleted
 
9:28 AM
 
@JeanneDark I annotated the MS report with that fact.
 
this is NAA?
 
@Shree I'm not going to comment on that. I'm okay with all the conclusions everyone made up. Let's move on.
@Droid nope, that has useful info even without the link
@Droid is the question maybe a duplicate?
 
Move on
 
@rene I think so, it needs editing
@rene yes, this is a dup
 
9:34 AM
Migrate all our questions about cookies to cooking SE.
 
And java to coffee.se?
 
python to biology.se
 
On MSE there are FRs that ask to cross post question based on tags. It is always fun to bring these kind of examples to the table
 
Valgrind questions to mythology.SE
 
and ajax questions too
 
9:44 AM
@JeanneDark or maybe Sports but that is only for our Dutch readers ...
 
and sql to bobby-tables.se
 
That waits on Area51 for enough committers ....
 
windows and rust to home improvement
 
@JeanneDark Rust is a fungus, so it should probably go to gardening.SE
 
Home Improvement has the Rust tag and in addition rust-removal and rust-proofing
 
9:53 AM
:ferris_sweat:
 
10:40 AM
@JeanneDark great so finally SO will be left with PHP
 
11:16 AM
@Dharman I prefer "general computing" for these; it should not be reopened if they add repro steps
 
12:03 PM
 
12:13 PM
^ SO wont allow to set the title so remove spaces... sigh
 
@SurajRao I don't like the "title can't contain" thing when editing. When users type a title IN ALL CAPS, I edit to change it to sentence case. But because of this warning, I've given up trying to make any other changes. Making the title NOT EXTREMELY IRRITATING TO LOOK AT is a priority to me.
 
@VLAZ in this particular case it should be done by OP anyway. In general I agree
 
12:57 PM
Morning
 
1:18 PM
@klutt we generally require questions to have recent activity in order for them to be eligible for cv-pls nominations here
 
1:32 PM
"Do you have any complaints?" Yes, too much spam
 
@SurajRao in scenarios like this NAA/VLQ flags don't work. is it mod flaggable as plagiarism? or only del-pls requests work?
 
@SurajRao Might not be plagiarism (the answer is irreducibly simple), but it's a late duplicate answer. You can mod flag those
 
ok.. thanks
 
@tripleee Oh yeah, forgot. Sorry
 
Is this spam? Or just a link-only NAA? I find it confusing as it's a self-answer
 
1:59 PM
@Tomerikoo not spam but I'm in the minority I think. it is not their repo.
 
Yeah I tried to check also. Couldn't find such signs but it just seems out of place and the tone is as if it's theirs...
 
we have our answer: a mod ate it ...
 
We'll just make that one go away...
 
I just figured it out... It was a quote from the response the OP got from Microsoft...
 
Is this spam or just very spammy looking "Thank you" NAA? It's the SD report above.
 
2:03 PM
@JeanneDark Without a pattern, inclined towards NAA. Simple delete works there
 
Thanks!
 
Is there some way of "banning" a tag? i.e. block it from being re-created
 
is it just me or is the "all actions" section in my activity profile failing to load?
 
@SurajRao Do you mean the "all" filtering under "all actions"?
 
yes, there's blacklisting
 
2:10 PM
i.stack.imgur.com/AoUdR.png i cant even reach all in "all sections"
 
@SurajRao mine works for me. But yours doesn't
 
@Tomerikoo blacklist tags are done if it comes back repeatedly on burnination
 
"...blacklisting can only be done (and undone) by the developers - a simple reduction in the number of parties able to do something can account for the difference in how often it's done, and blacklisting is usually considered pretty serious (perhaps incorrectly so), and only done for tags that keep showing up, or, possibly, even after significant effort, can't be cleared faster than it's getting added to questions." FAQ
 
@JeanneDark And he provided a pattern, so it was indeed spam
 
2:26 PM
Did something change to flagging options?
Where are red-flags?
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Weird, I see them neither
 
I don't see them either
 
So all spam is finally deleted?
 
Let's pack our bags, our job is done. Charcoal can finally switch off.
 
Hang on - not so fast! Advanced Flagging still has them! ;-)
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2:32 PM
It's network-wide. I pinged a CM
 
I reported it on Meta.SE. :)
@janw Not at all. The new policy is to allow spam, obviously. xD
 
Those flags were unwelcome ... — rene 39 secs ago
Sounds legit
 
Let's hope the spammers don't find out any time soon
 
Ha! Taryn added the [status-review] tag; so, 6 - 8 ...
 
He, be nice to our bluefeeted dba
 
Notice that I failed to include a time unit! ;P
 
I notice so many failures ;)
 
Maybe I'll get 6 - 8 Meta.SE badges? :)
 
2:53 PM
You'll at least rep-cap
 
Got "Nice Question" already. Probably also "Curious". "Mortarboard" and "Good Question" may be forthcoming.
 
Welp, just found found some flags are missing and came in to ask if it was just me. But it seems you guys are on top of it.
 
3:11 PM
@VLAZ Rude flag options on comments are still there at least.
 
Are we sure they work?
 
And can mods spam-wipe posts that are reported in other ways?
 
There is a spam question here with some spam comments - would it be acceptable to try an "unfriendly" on one of the comments?
 
Rob
Better to just custom flag the post, the comments will go when the account is destroyed
 
@VLAZ Dead now
 
3:16 PM
RIP in peace
I guess that answers if it can be spam wiped.
 
@VLAZ Well, no...
but I'm as reasonably sure as I ever was...
 
@AdrianMole We can still delete posts and destroy accounts
 
Alright we are back in business
 
Okay, backlog of spam is here:
13
 
3:42 PM
What to do with this answer? stackoverflow.com/a/66436252/11573842
It looks like a part of the answer dislocated and fell into the comments. I just don't understand which part. Unsalvageable?
 
3:57 PM
@Yatin the comment half contains <value=Alamofire/ which is the only thing that seems remotely connected to that question. I don't know if that code is very relevant. I'm slightly concerned that it looks like it has a bitcoin wallet or something similar.
 
@Yatin I flagged as VLQ
 
Although I'm not sure if it's an actual bitcoin wallet address or not.
 
🤔 Should I post a flag-pls for it?
 
@Yatin you're late.
 
np :)
 
Could this be considered an answer (the "because it was not able to find some js file." part)?
 
@JeanneDark I don't think so. It's a comment at best. If they said which js file they couldn't find it would be an answer, albeit a poor one.
 
Thanks!
 
... and even so, it just says why it happens, not how to resolve it...
 
The question does ask "Any ideas why this may happen and how to solve it?", so I think if the answer just answered the "why" part, it would be an answer.
 
5:33 PM
@E_net4thecircusstopper migrated :)
 
 
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7:19 PM
Is it that a user can vote to delete/undelete a post as many times as the post got undeleted/deleted again?
...until the post gets locked?
 
@AnnZen Yes. Delete privileges are rarer and far more restricted than close votes. Cycles of delete and undelete are rare
 
Oh
 
7:37 PM
@AnnZen If a moderator deletes it, no normal user can undelete it.
 
7:59 PM
@Yatin OP added the code... Should it be re-opened?
 
@Yatin looks answerable to me now
 
Thank you :)
 
Eh? Images and objects would keep aspect ratio, unless OP is talking about something else. The example isn't resizeable anyways.
 
8:35 PM
@Yatin It's nice that the OP added some code, but the question isn't specific enough to have a real answer. The OP really needs to much more clearly define what they want. As it is, it's unclear and very nebulous as to what the OP is truly desiring of their site. Sure, people can take guesses at what they think it should look like, but it's definitely not clear, IMO.
 
let's agree it got clearer ...
 
Well, at least we cleared that up. :)
 
8:52 PM
Maybe @rene can add some focus?
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9:09 PM
 
 
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10:33 PM
 
Hello guys, I am little less active right now for some life stuff, I wasn't watching chat/meta much, is there some tread where I can report problems during using new review interface?
 
@Ruli You can leave a bug report as an answer here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/360198/…
 
Thanks @NathanOliver :)
 

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