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12:11 AM
@Scratte I never had a gravatar option.
 
@AnnZen Do you have a gravatar account?
 
@Scratte Why have you changed your avatar?
 
I... don't think so ^^"
 
@AnnZen That would be a good reason for not having the option :)
 
@Scratte I liked your old avatar better...
 
12:14 AM
@TechExpertWizard I'm trying to see if it'll set off the link to gravatar at some point. I figured I'd give it at least 24 hours.
 
@Scratte fun fact: red is my favorite color
 
@Scratte What's a gravatar?
 
@AnnZen That's nice :) It's not like I picked it. It's some sort of hash I think.
@TechExpertWizard A site to upload an avatar that's suppose to propagate on all your accounts. See gravatar
@TechExpertWizard Those conversations stay there forever.. and ever, no? Do you have an option to delete them?
 
@TechExpertWizard answered 60% of them ^^
 
 
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1:37 AM
@Scratte Nope, there isn't... :(
 
2:35 AM
Where's @RyanM when I have an Android question? Probably swamped in reading all the deleted content on SO.
 
 
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8:26 AM
@Scratte No, I originally created it years ago
@DanielWiddis there sure is a bunch
 
 
7 hours later…
3:47 PM
Does anyone know why I'm getting "The email or password is incorrect." when I use my updated email to log into sites?
And is there a risk that if I log out now, I'll never be able to log back in? :D
 
No idea!
 
The thing that trips me up is that I can only use the old email to log in to another sites. Still after a day. And!.. If I go to my email settings after I log in, I get to see the new one! As in the one I can't use to log in.
 
4:09 PM
I found Can't log in with new email to Stack Overflow. But that doesn't make any sense to me still. Both emails are listed under "My Logins".
This is a modified screen dump of what I'm seeing.
 
As mentioned in the comments, did you try logging off and on again?
 
@DanielWiddis That doesn't change anything. I noticed however that there's no password link on the "Other" in my screen dump. So I added it using "add more logins.."
 
4:24 PM
Have you tried a different browser you're not logged in with, or incognito /private/whatever mode?
 
But this is probably the worst user interface experience with Stack so far!
 
It may be your browser's fault and not theirs. ;)
 
When I changed my email under profile settings, I had to validate it.. And adding it using "add more logins.." I had to validate it AGAIN!
But now it looks like this. I do not know what "Other" is even suppose to be used as.
@DanielWiddis Nice try, but I do not think it's my browser ;)
But then I have no idea what the "Email Address" under "Edit email settings" is used for. Seems like changing that doesn't change the login options other than adding it as "Other" with no password under "My logins". From a user perspective, that's really very confusing. I wonder what happens if one deletes the login that's also being used under the email setting.
Another potential mystery: What if I "remove" both logins? :D
When I added the new_email@newdomain.com I didn't remove it under other. It just magically moved up and away from "Other"..
 
5:20 PM
Hello, today there is a voting reversal of 120 on my account. I didn't find any unusual voting pattern though stackoverflow.com/users/3732271/akrun?tab=reputation. If somebody know the reason, please let me know
About couple of weeks back, there was an unusual voting pattern and it got reversed. But, today or yesterday, I didn't find any unusual voting pattern
Anybody knows where to contact if there is a voting reversal issue
 
@akrun If you really want to follow the matter up, then the "Contact us" button is the way to go. I'm sure you've already read this page.
 
@AdrianMole I did read that page and I didn't find any unusual activity on my account for the past few days. So, I was surprised at stackoverflow.com/users/3732271/akrun?tab=reputation
 
@akrun Nice
 
@E_net4thecurator. Not clear about your comment
 
5:36 PM
Just slightly astonished at the amount.
 
@E_net4thecurator Usually, there will be some kind of unusual voting pattern and here I didn't see it
 
@akrun The CM team have been looking at past activities in recent months. Maybe you had a misguided 'fan' who serially upvoted some of your posts a while ago. Don't worry; be happy! If you did anything wrong, you would have been contacted, I think.
 
@akrun I can't explain it and I expect I will never be able to. One thing to keep in mind is that some people will create multiple accounts for voting fraud purposes. The voting accounts will not always only vote for whatever other accounts they're trying to boost, but also mix in voting on a lot of other user's account to try to mask the fraud. If one of those used your post to upvote in such a masking attempt, the votes will be reversed when the accounts are found.
 
@Scratte But, in those cases, I get a notification that User was removed etc
 
@akrun Not always. It depends on the circumstances. It could be the main account of a user that tried to boost their smaller accounts, and only the smaller one was nuked, while the main account remains with a suspension.
It could also be a user that's just very happy with your posts and have upvoted one each day for 12 days.
Another thing you could consider is that when flagging such things, it could take a very long time to get handled. So the voting that was corrected could be from 6 months ago.
I remember you came in a while ago and asked about some strange upvoting that effectively made you hit the cap and in case of reversal, you'd lose not only the votes leading to your cap, but not reimbursed with votes after hitting the cap. I checked your account the next day, and I noticed no such reversal. Perhaps that's what happened today?
@akrun The suspicious votes from January 9th were not reversed on January 10th. There were exactly 12 of them. That would correspond with the reversal you got today.
I think that is exactly the votes that were reversed. When I look at the timeline for one of those post that was upvoted on January 9th, there's no votes corresponding to that date. So that vote never happened (now) according to the timeline.
 
5:54 PM
@AnnZen No. Reply to the user in comments, if you like, or direct them to Meta to ask that question.
 
@AdrianMole. Ok. There is nothing to be happy about it. It is just that with this kind of activitiies, the daily limit gets screwed up unfairly
 
@akrun Two hours ago at the time of my writing this message, a large number of upvotes from a specific user account were automatically invalidated by the script. This is no cause for alarm for you. It doesn't mean that you did anything wrong. The system is working as intended. This is what the Help Center article linked in the reputation event is attempting to convey.
 
@akrun So, you lost < 0.02% of your reputation. That's nothing to worry about, IMHO.
 
@akrun The SE API's public /users/{ids}/reputation-history endpoint will tell anyone which posts were affected by each portion of the overall reversal (link for your history).
The /me/reputation-history/full, which is available only to you, will provide even more complete information, but you will need to go through the "Get Token" process in order to access it.
While this additional information doesn't provide a complete understanding of what happened, it may provide you enough information for your peace of mind.
 
@Scratte It would have been great if the votes were reversed on that same day. Now, two days my daily limit is getting screwed up for somebody else activities
 
5:58 PM
Maybe keep this conversation to one room?
 
It's happening in another room? :-(
 
SOCVR - Can the messages be moved here?
 
Yes.
 
@AdrianMole Sorry, I was not sure which room I should bring this. I posted here first and then I didn't find any reply so I thought to ask in Socvr
 
Waffles™
 
5:59 PM
@akrun You didn't hit your cap today, so how does that effect two days?
 
@Scratte There is a couple of more and my daily limit will be up
 
@akrun :) But messages never age away. Usually someone will see them and possibly reply to you.
 
But it is kind of demotivating when I login in the morning and find this come up
 
15 messages moved from SO Close Vote Reviewers
 
@akrun I understand. But there's no harm in taking a break sometimes. There's nothing you can do about it, so the choice is to not let it affect you or take a Stack-holiday.
 
6:03 PM
I don't see why it should be demotivating. If anything, it means that someone else liked your answers so much that they went on a serial upvoting spree. I mean, they shouldn't do that, obviously, but the fact that they did should kinda make you feel good in a way...
 
Still ought to feel much better than serial downvotes. Those usually mean they have a bone to pick.
 
Don't you like picking bones?
 
I'm not a dog, so no.
 
@E_net4thecurator serial downvotes won't screw up the daily limit like this.
 
Those pincers look ideally suited for a bit of bone picking.
 
6:06 PM
I find it kind of funny that @akrun gains my total and entire reputation points in about a week :)
 
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A: Serial Up-voting and Reputation Cap

Oded What happens when these serial up-votes are inevitably reversed when the midnight script runs? The serial upvotes get reversed, all other votes count as normal from that point on. Think of it as "the serial upvotes never happened"...

This discussion suggests that the reversed serial upvotes will have no affect on your ability to hit the rep cap, because your rep will be recalculated as if they never happened.
That's what this FAQ says, too.
 
@CodyGray Okay, thank you for the info
 
You're welcome, any time.
 
7:08 PM
Is it fine for somebody to dupe tag a R post with a different tag
 
You mean use a non-R question as a dupe target for one with R?
 
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Q: How do I determine whether a string contains one phrase within x spaces of another?

leecarvalloSuppose I have the string jonas = "My name is Jonas. I'm carrying the wheel." and I want to see if, anywhere in this string, "name" and "Jonas" are within 5 spaces of each other. How would I code this? (I know how to test for specific distances, like grepl("name.Jonas", jonas) grepl("name..Jonas"...

It is an R question and the post got tagged with a non-R
What I am saying is that suppose I find a regex in java or python and then I tag with one in R, is it fair?
 
Meh. I'm not sufficiently expert in either R or regex to proffer judgement.
 
@akrun Regex is not uniform across engines. The language determines the engine. So if someone asks a regex Question with the java tag, you shouldn't add R to it.
 
@Scratte In the link i showed, that is exactly what was done.
One can argue that regex patterns are common. But, still dupe tagging with a non-R question is not correct
 
7:16 PM
@akrun The duplicate target is for the subset of things that are uniform across engines. All have the {n,m} on a group. The target is language agnostic.
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However, the close-voter there has a hammer in both R and in regex. Maybe they were using the regex hammer ... but the system chooses whatever it thinks is the higher priority.
 
I think the duplicate closure is reasonable. Looking at your Answer on it seem to also suggest that. You suggested using a {n,m} quantifier.
 
Most of their hammer closures are in regex (I see a lot in the Reopen Queue).
 
Sometimes I agree with the closure, sometimes I do not :) Sometimes I am mistaken. They have a lot of knowledge in regex and in all sort of different engines, so I usually ask for second opinion if I think the closure was wrong.
For what it's worth, I'm quite pleased that someone is curating the tag. I feel that it's just about as messy as the SQL tag and just finding a correct duplicate is a major task.
 
You should write a regex that finds regex dupes.
 
7:25 PM
I like silly-Adrian :)
 
That was a sensible suggestion.
 
When you wake up tomorrow, you'll probably have second thoughts about that ;)
But speaking of regex, I'm trying to upgrade my skills with puzzles. I thought I was getting better at it, until this morning where I got a puzzle that I can't solve. I've been thinking about it all day long, and I'm getting nowhere.. slowly.
 
7:44 PM
Can anyone help me on how to send an answer link to a bot as a response?
Like '@Natty feedback link command'
 
@Shadowcoder which part eludes you? You listen to messages, parse them and look for commands?
 
How to put the link in the message. Did one have to type all of it.
@AndrasDeak
 
Oh. Those are probably the results of userscripts.
I thought you were writing a bot. Everybody seems to be doing that these days.
Ask the room where you see this happening, and/or read their info pages which probably hold such answers.
 
You can just copy-paste the link, unless I'm missing something.
 
@CodyGray the tediousness of doing that for each bot report would be overwhelming
It would be simpler to just directly reply to the bot's message. But these feedback messages come from userscripts via actions made on main directly.
or rather from actions made on main via userscripts
 
8:01 PM
Tediousness... imagine that. :-)
 
@Shadowcoder I used to do it manually. Now I use a script to do it. But.. in order to give feedback (at least "tp" ones), you'll need to be able to flag the posts.
 
@Scratte doesn't natty understand chat replies?
 
@AndrasDeak Yes. But Natty does not act on them. Natty only registers feedback and marks the report itself as handled. So when other users asks for reports, they're not shown anymore. Giving feedback just means that it's dealt with, so it put the dealing with responsibility on the feedback'er.
 
I was replying to your first sentence
 
I just used to write the entire line. That makes it easy for other users to find my feedback if they have an answer id.
 
8:06 PM
ugh
@CodyGray I concede
 
But as I quickly grew tired of it, I installed a userscript :)
I do not use a userscript that works on main. I use one that works on Sentinel. Most of the Answers are gone by the time I get to the reports, and Sentinel lets me see what I'm giving feedback on.
 
popcorn bot
 
8:22 PM
That's Yatin's bot :)
I like that fact that it's "Informed" :D
 
Here again the same person dupe tag a question which asks for a data.table solution stackoverflow.com/questions/65891587/…
I am not sure whether this kind of abuse of tags are permitted
 
I'm finding that Question to not be entirely clear. What does "exactly 8 digits" mean? Would "1a2b3c4d5e6f7g8h" satisfy that?
 
The hypocrisy is that he answers every regex question no matter whether it is a dupe or not
 
@akrun they used an R hammer, not a regex hammer, so presumably they know both
@akrun is yours a moderation question or a feud, really?
 
But apart from that.. the duplicate closure. I see that those were closed again Questions in other languages. But.. the answers are basically the same as yours. I'd have preferred the duplicate target that was more language agnostic, but I don't see it as wrong.
More to the point: It's not abuse.
 
8:33 PM
It's OK to have a petty war between two power-users, but then you should not try to drag strangers into it.
 
I am okay with tagging with dupes, but when I find somebody answering dupes (stackoverflow.com/questions/65851230/remove-n-before-a-string/…) and tagging others post, it is hypocrisy
 
All I'm hearing is "yes, it's a petty war between two power-users"
Perhaps you should stop answering things and start dupe closing their answers. Simple.
 
@akrun I see. But then your Question seems to not be "Are those targets fine for this particular post?". I can understand being confused of what to do if you find another user isn't behaving according to what you find is reasonable. But your example doesn't show any issues. The main problem is that we cannot do anything. That's something only a moderator can help with.
If you find this is a happening a lot, then collect evidence and raise a custom moderator flag on it. Be very specific and present with all the evidence.
@AndrasDeak Not entirely sure how that's going to go down well.
 
@Scratte The same user had deleted many questions which I answered after dupe tagging. Then, I find on the next day, he is answering similar questions. How is that fair
 
@Scratte well it would decrease the number of dupe answers which sounds like a win
 
8:40 PM
@akrun If what is happening is exactly as you perceive it, then collect the evidence. At this point we only have your view on it, and even if we were presented with the evidence, it's still only something a moderator can address.
 
@Scratte key point. "We" can't and shouldn't do anything about this
 
(One of my regex Answers got deleted too btw.. But I have no idea who deleted them :-)
@AndrasDeak Yes. True. I phrased it wrong.
 
@Scratte I did ask him whether you could have dupe tagged it as it is a dupe. His response was to find one by myself. So, it is kind of that response - if somebody answers, it will be dupe tagged and deleted and if he answer, he don't have time to check for dupes
 
@AndrasDeak Citation required.
 
@akrun When you collect your evidence, you need to link to that comment too. (Do not link it in here, please)
 
8:43 PM
anyway, I wouldn't have brought this up here. It is only bcz of that voting reversal I came here
 
Rather than, "they do this all the time", or "they answer dupes themselves", it would be more persuasive to hear arguments of the form, "the question is not a duplicate of the one proposed because..."
 
@CodyGray "OK" as in "at least it goes away from here".
 
The past behavior of users doesn't really factor in when determining whether an individual closure is correct.
 
@CodyGray I don't fully agree with that. Many users don't have gold tag. A gold tag user can dupe tag any question without another vote, but a non-gold user cannot. I see many users do the same behavior i.e. answering dupes that 1000s of times asked while tagging questions when new users answer
I tried the dupe tagging for a while. It didn't had any impact and the people who answers those questions do this regularly everyday.
 
I'm not saying that the behavior is OK in general. I'm saying it doesn't have any relevance on whether an individual closure is correct.
 
8:48 PM
@akrun You don't dupe close to teach people. You dupe close because a question is a dupe.
Perhaps your frustration stems from your answering dupes rather than closing them?
As a doctor I recommend closing dupes instead of answering them. It should bring down your blood pressure in no time.
 
@akrun There are many ways that you can think about this. Every time a post that you answered is closed, you can look at it and evaluate if that was a correct closure. And that's it. What that user does otherwise doesn't need to be a concern of yours. You could just decide that fair or unfair is irrelevant in terms of a user's other actions.
 
As I mentioned earlier, I wouldn't have brought this up here. Sorry. It is just that I got frustrated with that unusual voting pattern and reversal
Have a great day! bye
 
@akrun I'm fine with you mentioning it. I hope you're fine with the replies :)
 
9:04 PM
Anyone else seeing this in their flag-dialog?!?
I'm not sure I even understand how that ended up there. I didn't update the Request Generator :(
If anyone knows what version that got introduced in, please let me know
 
9:24 PM
Definitely a userscript. Disable them until it goes away.
 
*gasp* that almost sounds like debugging
 
Never mind. I've asked in SOVCR. I expect lots of users are using that particular script in there.
 
@CodyGray The link about vote capping is not correct stackoverflow.com/users/3732271/akrun?tab=reputation
 
9:46 PM
Just out of curiosity - and as someone with only one Gold Hammer - can you choose which hammer to use/display if you have a hammer in more than one tag on a question?
... I know that if you have a Gold Hammer and a Diamond Hammer, then both are shown on the close banner. But, for the posts discussed in here (above), only the R hammer is shown, even though the hammerer may well have intended to use the regex hammer.
... and I'm not even hammered, yet! :-)
... Mere øl - 🍺 - ເບຍອີກ (BRB)
 
I've opined about this before. From what I've seen, if there are multiple tags one has a hammer in, then the one with the most points is chosen to be displayed. The / example you just picked seems to bear that out as well. And no, I don't think users can choose which one is displayed.
 
The only way I thought of was to: (1) Edit out the tag(s) you don't want to hammer in; (2) Hammer; (3) Edit the other tag(s) back in.
 
Ah, true, that would work :) What devious plans do you have for this trick? ;)
 
I'm deviously devising a Meta post. :-)
 
Is there any criteria to judge somebody is targeting
The same person dupe tagged 3 of my posts, all of them I differ in opinion
 
9:54 PM
If you're still talking about the same person, then they're probably targeting around 80% of the SO membership.
 
@akrun I don't think that makes it targeting. A user could have closed 48 posts today, where you just happened to have answered 3 of them. (Or re-tagged them)
 
@Scratte Is it okay to dupe tag with a very general question when the OP asked a specific question
The only match in that dupe tag is the SKIP FAIL stackoverflow.com/questions/65892424/…
If these are allowed, almost all of the regex based questions are dupe because there are only a handful of regex that is used in those
 
@akrun I'm afraid, I am sufficiently unfamiliar with R to understand what's going on in those two posts. So I cannot say if the closure is reasonable. Perhaps @IanCampbell can help on that.
 
@Scratte Thanks for your input.
 
Possibly relevant Meta answer.
 
10:10 PM
No problem. I hope IanCampbell is OK with the summoning.
@AdrianMole Nice find :) Your hammering is not getting in your say yet :) "Duplicate Closing Rampage" <-- title of the meta post.
 
I don't want to open it by myself as this can get flagged screaming abuse of power
 
Wow, you're one prolific answerer. I shouldn't be surprised.
 
Hmmm. Close/Reopen battles between gold badge holders aren't uncommon - or so I hear. But one can only ever cast one close and/or one reopen vote per post, so there's little chance of the battle escalating to a war.
 
@AdrianMole I am being very patient about not going after his posts and doing any revenge dupe tagging or some sort. I just brought the subject here so that other eyes can also look into it with a fresh take on it
 
I think you came here to justify your half of the petty war
 
10:18 PM
@akrun Well, I'm very glad to hear that. Revenge voting of any sort is no-go!
 
Sometimes I think being able to view the list of other people's posts is a mistake...
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@AndrasDeak Yes, sort of. I am okay if my view is not correct
 
@AdrianMole when you have two power-users in a petty war they are invariably both wrong
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Yep.
 
Two multi-hundred-thousand rep users with 200+ rep a day usually. Not the first time I'm seeing this pattern. Hard to muster up any sympathy.
 
10:24 PM
So you'd be more sympathetic to users that spend a lot less time and energy on the site?
 
@AndrasDeak everytime I bring a subject, somebody bring up the reputation. Is it possible to do this objectively instead of referencing to rep
 
@akrun no
 
I think there's an element of rep-envy involved.
 
@akrun You could make a meta post?
 
@AdrianMole lol
 
10:24 PM
@akrun I think.. you should just look at it as envy-comments :) And let it go.. (hehe.. ninja'd by Adrian :-)
 
whatever
 
Ohh, for that I don't post any solutions on tags other than R
 
@Scratte Finally! Somebody recognizes my lurking!
 
@akrun It may well be that your reputation hasn't been recalculated yet.
 
@code11 I find the whole thing about reputation very silly
 
10:26 PM
@AdrianMole No. Just as there's no way not to use it.
I think it would be the height of silliness to allow users to choose.
It just doesn't matter.
Pick the tag on the question with the highest weight, which you have a gold badge in, and display that one.
Simples.
I imagine that is what is already done, although I don't know nor care to look up the precise details of the implementation.
 
Meh
 
@AdrianMole Bleh. See above.
 
Yeah
 
@AdrianMole I don't always agree with animuson's answers, but that one is... gold.
 
It's a real gem. One of their best.
 
10:28 PM
Honestly, reputation have no effect on getting jobs or other things. It may be considered as a game
 
@akrun That's a silly thing to say. For two reasons. Your reputation is quite impressive. You're clearly very knowledgeable and you Answer a lot of post. Both those things are admirable, so some of us admire you, and we may just say it as in "Oh! Wow.. that's a lot of reputation points". The other reason is that you have yourself discussed your own reputation gain (or lack of) from recent event. So you're clearly concerned with it.
 
@Scratte These are just two things - 1) When I am competing as a game, it matters, 2) In reality, it doesn't have any effect
Sometimes, my game mode suggest me that I should take this seriously. But, if I take a deep breath and think, nothing really matters
 
@akrun Yes :) That is absolutely correct. So.. you're in a game and you're leading ;)
There's another thing that also plays in with very high reputation points. Some users may respect it to an extent that they don't dare speak to you or disagree with you.
 
It is also social platform. When tiktok got banned in some countries, people committed suicide
 
I do not know what tiktok is.
Maybe that's a good thing seeing I'm still alive.. ;)
 
10:33 PM
@Scratte it is a app where you can load short videos
 
@akrun Really? Wow.
 
Same thing with facebook or twitter. When some accounts are closed, they get really frustrated
 
I would assume something like that is an urban legend.
 
@akrun Hmm.. that is a strange thing to kill oneself over. I guess people lost whatever is equivalent to reputation points? Or they lost their videos?
 
giving more importance to twitter or facebook than it should be
@Scratte You cannot imagine how social media impacts people and in their way of thinking
 
10:35 PM
But in a sense it's also understandable. I've spend sometimes the better part of my day on this site. So if someone nukes my account, they effective also "killed the time" I spent here.
 
Like tears.... in the rain....
 
@akrun I can though. Whatever one does a lot becomes one's life.
It's no different from spending a year building a miniature model of the Eiffel-tower and have someone come and trash it.
 
It is addiction. There should be de-addiction centres for social media platforms
 
I can be addicted to my model of the Eiffel-tower, no? If I really care for it and every little piece I add gets me the feeling of success.
 
There is a de-addiction therapy on Stack Overflow ... just keep disagreeing with Cody and you'll get a 'vacation'. ;-)
 
10:37 PM
lol
 
@Scratte I think you're overlooking the social aspect of the whole thing. Not only is it addictive, it can become a person's primary way of socializing. In that sense it is much more influential than a hobby, even one as amazing as model building :p
 
@code11 Yes, that's what's happened to a lot of people, even me. I check Stack in the morning.. then all days long.. and before I go to sleep. Some people just have a way of letting it go and focus on other stuff too.
 
@AdrianMole I do give them out upon request. Has happened before.
 
Is there a pro-forma method?
 
Never for disagreement. Although occasionally for spamming Meta with the same question 4+ times.
@AdrianMole Not really. Whatever works.
 
10:41 PM
@akrun I also have that "Wow"-effect when I see something or someone that's really beautiful or very powerful or very whatever, that sets them apart of everyone else. It just gets noticed, that's all. If you feel it gets noticed in a bad way, just brush it off.
 
I remember the time on Meta. I was new ... "Mr Angry" kept on reposting the same rant ... I was actually impressed with your patience.
 
I start out very patient.
But I can be persuaded to change my approach.
 
Start out impatient, and then get progressively more patient if the user persists in being a pain?
 
Change from "very patient" to something else.
I am much more patient on Meta than I am on main.
 
Because 'tis a silly place.
 
10:48 PM
Because it's an essential place, and I think the right to disagree with policies/procedures is critical.
Latitude needs to be provided there. Also, frustration is understandable.
 
@CodyGray That makes sense though. It's the last resort to voice dissent, and so it's important to be as patient as possible there.
 
Indeed. But moderation of Meta must, by its nature, be trickier and/or more subjective than for the main site.
 
People say that. I guess I don't see it.
 
Yeah, it must be. Moderating Meta sounds challenging.
 
MSE mods have told me that, in fact. I don't understand it.
 
10:50 PM
Doesn't the need to provide more latitude make it harder?
 
You let some content stand on Meta that you'd immediately delete on main, for sure. Some amount of discussion is OK. Some amount of rule-breaking is OK (e.g., discussion in comments).
You immediately shut it down when it becomes harmful, or offensive.
 
Tony the Pony springs to mind.
 
Sure, the obvious cases are easy to handle. It's the middle ground that I would imagine is harder to tread.
 
@AdrianMole I liked that one so much I put it in my profile :)
 
To me, it's easier to just give people the latitude to speak as long as they're at least tangentially on-topic and not insulting people, than it is to delete comments because they're not directly relevant.
Tony the Pony being Jon Skeet's alter ego? Never had a moderation problem there...
 
10:52 PM
I thought that was Daisy Shipton?
 
That wasn't the "Tony the Pony" I was thinking of.
 
Daisy was a whole experiment
I think he just renamed his main account Tony the Pony once.
 
@CodyGray Wouldn't it be harder to decide when discussions start becoming too off-topic? It seems it would be easier on Main because it's easier to judge, and gets nipped in the bud.
 
I guess it's mostly obvious to me. When there's a gray area, I prefer to take no action. (On Meta, of course. Not main.)
 
I see. That makes sense.
 
10:56 PM
That's part of why it's easier, I guess: I don't try to make decisions in the corner cases. I just let it play out.
Unless, like I said, something bad is happening or someone is getting insulted. Then you have to act, even when it's somewhat uncomfortable.
You try to do it as surgically as possible.
Or, you just blow away the whole thing.
Those are your two options. :-)
 
Put that way, it does sound easier :)
 
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