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12:04 AM
@tink np. In general, it's not that big of an issue if someone happens to have duplicated a request which was posted relatively recently. Particularly with the 3 CV to close requirement, most questions which are requested in here end up being closed relatively quickly, so such duplicate requests don't need any special processing and can just be archived when complete.
Duplicate requests can be a problem if the duplication is substantially later than the original to the point where it effectively "bumps" the request, but that really isn't the case when the requests were close together in time.
In other words, don't worry about it under most conditions. Sure, we'd prefer that there be no duplication, but the primary responsibility for preventing such duplicates should really be on the Request Generator script (which it doesn't do at this time for requests which were not made by that user in that browser).
 
Cheers man! And that would be quite a nifty feature ... but would require to check the chat just before posting - sounds kind of expensive =}
 
@tink Yeah, it's non-trivial, but it can be done. :;
 
=}
 
Does this question strike anyone else as an offsite resource request?
 
@Machavity probably, because it is closed as such; but it seems to be in that grey zone
 
12:19 AM
Yeah, that's where I'm stuck on it. I tend to lean not (asking if lang X has something like lang Y isn't necessarily off-topic)
 
agree
 
I reopened it. Rev 1 had something a bit more along those lines ("any tips?") and that's gone. Seems useful as-is
 
+1 for not a resource question ...
 
Hey pals. A user has just posted a bunch of duplicate answers to questions about Android's RecyclerView, none of which answer the questions asked.

I'm not sure if it's appropriate to ask for them to be flagged here.
 
@Joundill Mod flag. If they're exact duplicates the system with autoflag as well
I removed the link to the user as we don't moderate users in the room
 
12:25 AM
@Machavity Cheers, I wasn't sure whether to spam flag or what.
@Machavity Gotcha
 
@Joundill I wouldn't spam flag unless they're linking to their own content over and over. That would likely get declined
 
1:00 AM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Is that actually POB? It seems to be asking about the advantages of a newly introduced feature.
@Machavity Can you bin this request please? I see that the question is under discussion on meta.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, being discussed on Meta.
 
Thanks.
 
np
 
 
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6:56 AM
@SurajRao surely better to just tag:del-pls?
 
 
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@TomerShetah looks like spam TBH
 
@RyanM Looks like spam, smells like a duck, quacks like a pig ...
 
I decided to flag it as spam
 
Mee threee.
 
@TomerShetah No, that looks like an answer to me. In this case, the answer is to use the link.
 
Thanks Ryan
 
np
 
Can I ask about another one?
 
@TomerShetah Hm... that kinda looks like spam... I'll do some digging
@TomerShetah no
There is an attempt
 
8:39 AM
@Yatin it asks for official sources, and it got one as an answer. see meta.stackoverflow.com/a/386006/208273
@Yatin I had the same reaction: it looks like that is the official creator of the theme mentioned in the question, so not spam.
 
Ohk...
 
BTW, @RyanM - Welcome to the Hello, Pink World.
 
@AdrianMole :D
 
9:13 AM
@desertnaut What exactly do you mean by "mentioned at Meta"?
 
as an example of "such questions are not off-topic" - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/404683/…
 
@cigien The question is too old for a cv-request in here but such a mention on meta makes it eligible again.
 
^^ this
 
I don't follow. That Meta question was posted 5 hrs ago, and while it's closed, it has 2 reopen votes. Does that not count as "being discussed on Meta"? And doesn't that disqualify it from requests?
 
Mustn't mess with Meta.
 
9:17 AM
@cigien It's not the question of the OP who posted on MSO, but an older question they use as an example of a similar theoretical question that wasn't closed.
 
I don't see how that's relevant at all. Questions being discussed on Meta can't be acted upon here, right?
 
@cigien It's not the question under discussion
 
@rene Can I get a ruling on this? This request is one of the questions linked in this recent meta.
 
FAQ #11: "are a bad example used to justify other posts that are off-topic and/or low-quality"
 
But I think if there's a discussion on Meta about a particular class of question (like ML, here), then it's not really appropriate to go trawling for such Qs and bringing them here for CVs. But, let's wait for the Flower to speak...
 
9:21 AM
while on Meta, pls don't touch it.
 
That was very obvious. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have waited to ask for it to be binned,
 
@rene until when? 1) Meta post is closed and heavily downvoted (was the one that voted to re-open, but this was before I saw the edit history) 2) Meta post is not about this Q, as pointed out by @JeanneDark
Seems that FAQ #11 is clearly applicable here
 
@rene Maybe FAQ rule #11 needs clarification ("cv-pls is for questions that: ... are a bad example used to justify other posts that are off-topic and/or low-quality").
 
I'd say it's not being correctly used to justify a bad question though. The tanh question actually seems to be a narrowly tailored "what does this code do" question, where the meta question is about a "what is the best way to?" question.
 
@desertnaut 6 to 8 weeks? I assume for everything that is used in a meta post goes under the rule "discussed" on meta. And I also assume the meta effect will do its work on these meta referenced post. Does that really need our attention? Wouldn't it be better to wait for all meta regulars being done with voting by their selfs and then next time we close something here use the strong meta consensus at our advantage?
Instead of being an active part of the meta consensus.
 
9:34 AM
Maybe an odd question - I saw I question which asked basically "I'm trying to do <something> and X doesn't work" is a dupe for X but also other issues that will prevent <something> that OP hasn't seen (because of X). Should I still dupe-vote?
 
Honestly I'm not a big fan of the "ML Theory - can it" trend. If it's about how the ML stuff is implemented, it fits here.
 
@rene sorry, where exactly does this 6-8 weeks come from?
 
@desertnaut here
@DanielF that is my gut feeling as well.
 
And a lot of ML theory is about what's easy to implement, so "why X" sometimes is a deceptively implementation-driven question
 
@rene different context. completely
 
9:37 AM
@VLAZ I doubt it. I think you should address their root cause. Maybe it is possible to add that context to an existing answer on the dupe? If not, answer the Q.
 
@rene that also is a different story, and not a reason to dump requests here
 
@desertnaut really? Oh. :(
 
"Pls don't downvote this question."
 
@rene ??
 
9:50 AM
I assume you want us to re-evaluate what discussed on Meta means and how long it takes before a post no longer qualifies as being discussed on Meta? My current position is: all posts linked from a meta question are exempt from cv-pls here. My preferred time range 6 to 8 weeks (aka never again) but as a bare minimum I would say: until a post can't be come hot any more (I believe that is after 4 days). Other ideas? Why am I stoopid with those rules and rulings?
 
Well, we do know what happens when a flower is filled with determination...
 
@rene You assume wrongly. I want no one to re-evaluate anything. You mentioned a rule (6-8 weeks), and I naturally asked for a reference. Instead, I am being mocked.
 
@desertnaut The meta post has 4 reopen votes now, it's still hot.
 
yeah, it would seem I am an overzealous crusader now... meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/404683/… @DanielF
 
Pffhfhffhhfhffh
 
10:04 AM
@oguzismail FWIW, I voted to reopen, as the dup target is completely irrelevant (I have flagged for the correct dup targets)
 
@desertnaut Are you the only one doing it? I was under the impession it was a more popular trend.
Didn't mean anything personal
 
@DanielF I think I am the only one systematically doing it here
I am sure you didn't, but it is not very amusing in any case
 
@desertnaut I hadn't realized, but looking in the Graveyard for recent cv-pls requests with ML confirms this, resoundingly
in case it's not obvious, I fully support this crusade, and generally vote to close those questions when you bring them up (if I'm quick enough)
 
I had the habit of going through ML/DL questions myself, but I got tired of it.
 
@tripleee Agreed. I do the same.
 
10:14 AM
@desertnaut that you feel mocked is not needed because that was not my intention. And my re-evaluation request was not primarily aimed at you specifically but at all other participants that chimed in the last 45 minutes with suggestion how I should have handled this. I'm trying to find something that works for all of us without risking too much wrath of Meta. Is that a fair goal?
 
@tripleee it is obvious, and I appreciate. But again: a crusader I am not; I am just an ordinary SO user who plays by the already written rulebook, which I have not written myself. And when I ask for additional guidance, I expect at a minimum to be taken seriously, and not being directed to memes instead @rene
 
point taken
 
Oy, let's not blame the memes.
(I like memes.)
 
@rene cool. pls keep in mind that fair goals do not translate automatically to fair means
for the future
 
I think you mean "fair memes" </ducks>
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10:28 AM
:)
 
10:53 AM
In that case, while I agree with you on most cases, I do find the trend to be a bit overzealous in some cases, especially when more classical close reasons apply. I don't think those reasons applied in the case of the older question, and that a more classic close reason (opinion-seeking) was more appropriate in the meta-linked question.
But I'm just the peanut gallery :)
 
@DanielF in that question, there is a "why" part, which may sound like an opinion to some people (and not to others), and a "what's the intuition" part, which is not POB at all. Judging the question overall, it is not about programming, and that's at least one valid reason for closure. How exactly this translates to overzealousness and crusades, beats me
 
@desertnaut I certainly didn't mean to call you overzealous or anything like that; the word "crusade" just seemed appropriate for a project with a specific focus and a fair amount of obliviousness or outright resistance from those who don't understand or perhaps agree with the goal
 
11:09 AM
@desertnaut And that's why the "unique to software development" part of the on topic page is so important.
 
@tripleee understood, no worries
@DanielF additionally, the custom close reason (when appropriate) gives an opportunity to anyone willing to read that there are other, specified SE sites for such non-programming questions (hence for their next, "non-POB" attempt), which is not the case with the standard close reasons.
 
Is it the general opinion that we should burninate then? Any questions that would be appropriate and on-topic would be more appropriate and on-topic with the langaunge-specific tag (tag:scikit-learn], ). Same with any generalized ML method (, )
I mean if that's the consensus fine, I just 1) disagree that it's all necessarily off-topic (and was pretty thoroughly shut down when I made similar suggestions for ) and 2) think it removes a lot of value.
 
@DanielF don't know about any general opinions; my opinion it is not
the tag is valuable, when combined with language or framework tags
this is also a rough rule of thump: if you see a question tagged only with and other general ones without a language or framework specific tag (like the question you referred to), then it is most probably off-topic as such
 
11:27 AM
Would you agree the same is true for then?
 
@DanielF not any more than or or should be burninated -- they are useful as secondary tags, just generally not as primary tags
 
That one has other problems. Some users tag instead of .
 
@E_net4thecurator and the remainder of the newest questions should probably be closed
 
@DanielF I will not pretend to have the slightest opinion about , and I happen to know that, whenever I don't have a clear picture, it is better not to get involved in opinionated discussions
generally speaking, exile of such general tags in not a good idea
 
@E_net4thecurator True, and when I tried to fix that I got run out of meta because discussions of np-completeness are somehow implementation questions
 
11:31 AM
@tripleee well, I think it is off-topic (and not merely too broad)
 
@DanielF My gut feeling tells me that story has more than that side.
But let's not rehash it here.
 
@tripleee There are no secondary tags, all tags must be able to stand on their own on a question.
 
Like ? ;)
 
surely stands on its own.
 
@E_net4thecurator and certainly
 
Oh god reddit memes ick
 
@Braiam Not entirely sure about that. See, for example, C++11.
 
My point is: the argument that any sort of ML theory is off topic means that (et al) should be burninated (as anything non-theory should go to the language-based tag), and if it should be burninated it should go through the official meta process and not just silently strangled by a few SOCVR folks.
If it's not inherently off-topic, then use the normal close reasons
including "off topic" when it's purely math-based
If you don't know whether it's a math-based or implementation-based question, don't assume.
 
but that's not what burnination is for, it's for purging tags which should not exist at all
 
Define "should not exist at all"
the standard 4 questions are all answered "no" if it's completely off topic
 
#3 is "does the tag add add any meaningful information to the post?"
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/software-engineering might be a good parallel case; there was a consensus that it didn't belong on Stack Overflow
 
Does add anything to a question? what additional information does it give?
 
12:02 PM
@DanielF just like is redundant for but still considered useful
 
by itself is on-topic though
 
so is
 
you . . just . . . completely switched my argument. of course is
 
any other argument would be circular reasoning, wouldn't it?
 
Look, that is all fine and dandy, but it's been established a while ago that secondary tags are usually OK. Let's not forget we also have , even after having been proposed for burnination.
 
12:06 PM
the point is deosn't add any additional information to a correctly-tagged ML question, since any implementation question is going to have a ML package tag
 
If can stay, can too for similar reasonings.
 
@DanielF It can be useful for filtering. Eg. someone doesn't want to just follow a few specialized tags, just to cover them all.
 
@JeanneDark Do you really think an expert in implementation one package is an expert in all of them? The only way expertise would carry over is via . . . theory!
Sorry I'm slow replying I'm currently trying to figure out WTH nobody ever removed
 
What's wrong with chemistry? Or astronomy? Or physics?
 
@AdrianMole Oh, yes, version specific tags, as if everything that came before didn't exist
 
12:17 PM
@Braiam should be burninated
I don't even get the logic of keeping after reading the meta question, so I have no idea how to apply it.
 
@DanielF The cynic in me thinks that there's a group of people that believe that everything that gets deleted will have nefarious consequences and that the sun will die the same moment that content is removed.
The most cynic in me believe that is just because that it's my opinion that people reject said removals.
 
12:35 PM
So many tags in here
 
Something fishy going on in this old question? It received 3 new answers at about the same time and all say more or less the same.
 
@JeanneDark Maybe some course assignment? I would mod flag
 
Definitely mod flag. In the worst case it could be some sock puppetry.
Look, upvotes are entering.
 
@JeanneDark 5 now
 
12:44 PM
Thanks, it looks really fishy.
 
Where do you see 5?
 
I don't see them either. The other two zero scored answers are much older
 
@JeanneDark yeah, I agree with a mod flag. That pattern isn't only used on that question
 
Thanks! I also noticed that pattern
 
It quickly tips the balance from "awkward coincidence" to something that is done with a purpose.
 
12:52 PM
I just "protected" the question (something Cody says is almost never useful). That may help prevent any more such answers.
{hides in a corner from the mods}
 
@AdrianMole Not the protection itself, but an user being able to protect questions
 
@Braiam Well, this particular user agrees that he is almost never useful. :)
Very fishy indeed.
 
1:09 PM
@rene It's interesting how one of those users has answered 5 questions. The other two have answered 4 each, however, it's 4 of those initial 5 in both cases, just not the same 4 - 3 overlap between the three accounts. It's possible there are deleted answers - I just checked the profiles, not the Q&As
 
@VLAZ yeah, that is possible. I didn't investigate further as I already declared it mod territory. no need for us to go digging here.
 
Yep, I looked at a couple of Q&As and it's plenty fishy. No real need for more than that, as a mod flag has been raised, adding another wouldn't really help. For what it's worth, it might just be three friend trying to participate together on SO. Still mod territory, I suppose but it's possible it's not a single user using bots/multiple accounts.
 
It was handled
 
1:28 PM
Morning
 
1:54 PM
@E_net4thecurator Oh, I was counting zero score answers posted by users with south asian names, sorry
 
2:22 PM
Do you guys think this question is too broad?
Its well scoped to just react native navigation, but theres not a lot there in the question. I feel like it might need to be clearer about what it wants...
 
@code11 It's too broad, but not unfocused ;)
 
They are basically asking for a tag wiki IMHO.
 
Ah, yes the flag re-write was a very very good thing and helped make all things clearer.
 
But it could definitely be dv-d because of lack of research
 
@code11 yes, that would take a blog post (or series) to fully answer.
 
2:27 PM
I really wish there were a good way to get rid of bad accepted answers
This is a very good example stackoverflow.com/questions/198199/…
 
Not a fan of the XOR swap? Seems they fixed that.
 
I'm not a fan of them removing the close button from the 'thanks for flagging/voting' modal that appears at the top of the page -_-
crap sticks around too long
 
Not only that the xor-swap is bad. This particular implementation is also buggy.
And doing it in a macro?
 
Sounds like the perfect opportunity for you to write a better answer :p
 
^
@klutt Yeah, it's a bit of a bummer that they never revisited the whole 'we should pin accepted answers to the top' thing
 
2:34 PM
@code11 There are multiple better answers already
 
For a long time SO has been popular enough that most people reading will not be knowledgeable enough or will not bother scrolling down enough to see that there might be better answers below
IMO they ought to have all accepted answers exist in the normal flow of answers instead of pinned to the top, not just ones by OP.
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Very old duplicate questions don't Roomba?
 
@Yatin Answered duplicates never
 
Oh wait, the close button is still there on the modal, it's just invisible. Of course it is.
oh hey, 13k helpful flags
@RyanM Congrats!
 
Yeah, the pinning of accepted answers is so stupid that I can barely find words for it.
 
2:39 PM
I mean it makes a lot more sense if you consider the site a place for programming professionals who are more discerning than the average script kiddie
who care about the community and curate the content
 
Yep
But it still makes very little sense to give one user so much power
 
but it reached an inflection point years ago (somewhere between 2011 and 2014 probably) where its popularity grew to include a much bigger, less invested group
 
ESPECIALLY since the user, proven by the fact that they asked a question about it, does not seem to know that particular subject very well ;)
 
Jon Skeet has asked 50 questions.
 
@JeanneDark Yeah, that last part was not extremely serious
But I still think that it's reasobable to assume that someone who asks a question in a vast majority of the cases is NOT the most suitible to judge which answer is best.
 
2:44 PM
So no accepted answers? That seems right to me.
 
@JeanneDark ah
 
@code11 Yep, I think so. I have stopped accepting answers.
 
Oh they must love you for that.
 
@code11 Haha, there are some people who cannot handle it and think that I should start a bounty if I don't want to accept :D
 
Remember acceptance ratios? That was a thing.
 
2:48 PM
Maybe I should start accepting the worst answer to make a point
 
go to one-box jail *bonk*
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@klutt Hold on there Satan.
 
Haha, sorry, but I managed to edit before you complained :D
@DanielF If you're calling me "Satan" for that, I'm tempted to see what nicknames I can provoke if I do something serious ;)
 
@klutt I'm honestly intrigued, in a "want to see the world burn" way, what the outcome of any significant number of users doing that would be
 
Just those users receiving more bad answers to their questions.
 
2:55 PM
@CodyGray , Really great. I just re checked user activity. I was scared to scare the user of. As he was trying to be usefull. But this morning activity is legit and clean. So we didn't kill user motivation and that's cool.
 
@DanielF Wait. Were you talking about link-boxing or stopping to accept answers?
 
Accepting the worst answer
 
@DanielF Haha, ok, I can see why that warranted my new nickname
 
Ah, don't actively make the site worse just to make a point pls.
 
Well, I think it should force the managers to rethink it :)
They started an alternative to SO a while ago, originating from the Monica incident. They don't have that "feature" software.codidact.com
 
2:59 PM
They also don't have any users, unfortunately
 
They also don't have any users. (oof that was maybe too harsh)
 
Yeah, I think it's sad. Some competition would have been good. I think the main thing was that they did not use the leverage of the incident soon enough.
 
development cycles suck
Hopefully they can keep the lights on until the next SO mega-scandal
 
@DanielF I mean, SO would have less users if they actually deleted inactive accounts :D
 
Hopefully. I would really like something like this that is 100% community driven.
 
3:05 PM
@klutt Have you heard of/visited codidact?
 
@TylerH I linked it a few minutes ago
 
that's what I get for not reading up :-)
 
:)
Too bad it never took off
 
3:23 PM
@klutt Not sure what you mean? It's still going on, but yes with SE/SO still a thing it's not like it's filling a vacuum.
 
@TylerH Yes, but the activity has dropped. So I'm guessing it will die slowly if nothing happens.
 
4:23 PM
 
5:06 PM
 
5:47 PM
@Mithical New Year - New Avatar?
 
@AdrianMole I like changing it up now and then
 
@Mithical But I still recognized you! You need to improve your disguise skills. xD
 
15 messages moved to The Ministry of Silly Hats, consolidate discussion on same topic from multiple rooms into one room.
 
6:26 PM
@AdrianMole I'll add sunglasses :P
 
7:03 PM
@AdrianMole don't be afraid of a little talkbalk :-P
 
I'm shy. You know that, already.
 
@AdrianMole Did you give feedback in 2 different ways? MS temporarily recorded you as giving tpu twice.
 
Probably. I flagged via Advanced Flagging. Didn't realize that adds "u".
 
I see. It showed up as tpu from "Advanced Flagging", as well as from "Review". Refreshing the report cleared it out though. Thanks.
 
7:08 PM
Not sure that AF should really be using "tpu" though. I think "tp" would be enough, leaving it to the user to add the extra, if deemed appropriate.
 
@AdrianMole Possibly. I've never used AF, and I'm sure I don't know the intent behind the default feedback settings.
 
@cigien I'll have to investigate the matter. (Another thing waiting for me to grow up.)
 
@TylerH No, they're linking to their own content, without disclosing. It's spam.
@AdrianMole Currently in your second youth, huh? ;)
 
@cigien It's standard Glasgow banter: when someone asks, "Were did you grow up?" the reply is normally, "I haven't decided, yet."
 
@AdrianMole Oh, I see :) I need more coffee maybe. Second joke I've missed today. I already didn't recognize one of Braiam's jokes on Meta. But TylerH explained it to me, so all good :)
 
@tripleee That seems extremely focused to me. I see your comment suggests that the OP should show an attempt. That's fine, but not a reason to close, in case that's the issue.
 
@cigien meh, I don't like the username ...
 
Dodgy, indeed.
 
@rene Don't worry, I flagged it for plagiarism already.
 
best part: I don't have a mac.
 
7:27 PM
@tink If my latest request gets reopened, you can convert your comment to an answer.
 
8:10 PM
@cigien - which one is that?
 
Oh - that ...
heh - ta.
 
@cigien While it does seem odd if you put it that way, the issue back then was that a lot of users in here were using R/A for languages that they don't understand and NAA for languages they do. So a lot of them were wrongly flagged R/A, while they were just non-english content. However, the other issue was that there was a lot of non english spam too, which is why a blanket rule stating "use VLQ for non english" wasn't making the cut.
The reason why I added in the "try to translate" is to prevent the false positives. While we might miss nuking the occasional rude posts, I'd definitely trade that off for not nuking innocent posts by misguided users.
Using Google translate is definitely biased against non-latin languages, as it doesn't do a good job, but it's still quite accurate. I've been a victim of Google translate, where a user thought I was being elitist (on my election post stackoverflow.com/election/8#post-40473714) ;p
Let me know if you think my guidance is flawed, I can still just follow the meta guidelines, in that case.
 
8:37 PM
@BhargavRao I've not really been considering that the penalty of R/A flagging is very high. Yeah, getting it wrong is not really worth it just to nuke the tail end of the non-English rude content, that makes sense. I can see that it would be a problem if users made it a habit to raise that flag generally, so I'll definitely stop giving that advice. Thanks for the explanation.
No, I don't think your guidance is flawed. Also, from what I can tell, it's in compliance with the Meta guidelines, which is probably not an accident :)
 
Given that a few mods these days just nuke users after applying a 365 day suspension, the penalty of R/A is too damn high. ;)
 
Is that a manual action that you're referring to? I would assume that in those cases, the mod would check to see if the non-English content was actually rude.
 
@cigien I was referring to all the other answers on the question being link-only :-)
@cigien Nuking a user is a manual mod action if that's what you mean
 
8:55 PM
@TylerH Oh, I see. I was confused because MS recorded your comment. I assume you didn't intend that. If so, could you remove it from MS please?
 
@cigien I don't think it's harming anything; ancillary discussion under MS comments under reported posts is fairly common in my experience
 
Sure. I just found it a little confusing; it suggested to me that the same users' other answers were NAAs. No worries.
 
@BhargavRao Slightly off-topic, but what are the badges counted in mod elections?
 
For the Stack Overflow election, candidates must have all the following badges:
Civic Duty, Strunk & White, Deputy, Convention
 
9:05 PM
@cigien Yep, nuking users is a manual action.
I did assume that mods check non-english content to see if it's actually rude, but turns out I was wrong, so there's that ;p
 
@BhargavRao Cheers! I was googling for that post, but couldn't find it.
 
Gotta work on those Googling skills :p
 
@BhargavRao Haha, very true.
 
@BhargavRao Ok, so here's how I thought it worked. 1) users raise R/A flags on non-English content 2) post gets nuked. 3) Mods mark flags helpful 4) Mods decide to nuke offending user or not, based on various things, actual rudeness, user's prior contributions, etc. It seems I've misunderstood how all of this works.
 
@cigien guess it depends a lot from mod to mod
If it's me, I decline r/a flags on non English
(usually)
But anyway, if you want to be absolutely safe, follow the guidelines in this meta.stackoverflow.com/a/297680/4099593.
 
9:21 PM
@cigien Any spam or R/A flags are marked helpful when the post is deleted, except when an OP self-deletes. The post is completely removed from all mod queues if there are no surviving flags (e.g. custom mod-flags). In order for any manual actions to be taken by a moderator, the mod's attention would need to be drawn to the post in some manner. That may happen from seeing the flags before they are marked helpful; seeing the same thing which drew other people's attention; a custom flag; etc.
 
I noticed the request generator is in the flag dialog. Is that something that came with the 1.10.2.0 version?
 
meta.stackexchange.com/questions/359989/… Seems like no on cares about chat still at the company :-(
 
@Makyen I was completely unaware (or have completely forgotten) that the post disappears from mod queues. That changes things a lot. I'm certainly going to be more conservative with R/A flags from now on. Thanks for the information.
 
np
 
@TylerH Oneboxing isn't allowed in SOCVR anyway ;)
 
9:33 PM
@JeanneDark That doesn't look off-topic to me. It's maybe not phrased in the best way, but the question is asking about whether or not existing features will remain in .NET in new versions.
 
@Joundill And we can answer questions like "And what will happen to EF and EF Core? EF is dead and EF Core will remain in the new .NET versions?"?
 
@JeanneDark Might be worth an edit, but I think the guts of the question is on-topic.
 
@JeanneDark not to surprise you but there are other chatrooms aside from this one ;-)
 
@TylerH Just disallow oneboxing in every room ;)
 
@BhargavRao If by safe, you're referring to my flag acceptance stats, then no, I couldn't care less (it does affect the advice I give others of course). I'm only concerned in this case about incorrectly penalizing users. Could you expand on the (usually) bit? I'm quite curious to know what qualifies for you. I understand if it's basically a subjective, "I know it when I see it" kind of judgement call.
 
9:40 PM
I mean, it was just twitter content. But I could definitely also see them saying something like, oops, chats vulnerable, better disable it :))
 
@code11 Too many questions get closed, disable chat ;)
 
@JeanneDark I mean, you joke...
 
No, I never do ;)
 
@Scratte The reason I ask is that I was perhaps falsely under the impression that requests weren't to be used to fast track moderation. So I usually waited to see if a post would get closed by the queue instead of sending them directly to the room. With the additional checkbox it almost looks like one is suppose to do that, even if it doesn't save oneself from any actual mouse-clicks.
 
9:51 PM
@JeanneDark genius!
 
@Scratte It was a bug fix in 1.10.0.0. It was supposed to be included in the close-flag dialog the same as it was in the close-vote dialog. The intent was not to discriminate against those without the ability to close-vote. My personal preference was to use the Request Generator popup after close-voting, but a number of people like having the selection to choose to send a request in the vote/flag dialog.
 
10:08 PM
@cigien In 99% of the cases, non english isn't rude or spam, so I "usually" decline it. However, sometimes, users would have custom flagged saying "hey mod, this real rude", in which cases I try to translate them myself and use a r/a flag on it.
 
@Scratte what happened to your avatar ???
 
I avoid penalizing users just because they posted non English content. Users might usually just be misguided.
 
@BhargavRao I totally agree with you on this one. If OP mistakenly posts in their native language and then translates to English, they frequently end up with a question with a large and (possibly then) undeserved negative vote count.
 
@BhargavRao If I see non-English content I immediately start sharpening my pitchfork
I even have 6-8 weeks engraved on the handle
 
@Nick They should have read the rules?
 
10:12 PM
@TylerH Seu forquilha?
 
Yep, just deleting a post/NAA gives users an option to update their answer. Locking the post and deleting the account, won't give them that chance.
That Smokey report, for e.g, was gibberish
 
@BhargavRao Right. But that's a custom flag. I more meant what are the rare cases where you accept a R/A flag on non-English content? Assuming the post is not spam (in which case I assume a R/A flag would be accepted, though I might be wrong about that as well).
 
So R/A is fine there
 
@AdrianMole I don't speak Swedish
 
@Makyen I see. We seem to have the same preferences then. I understand you put effort into it, but I also prefer those to be very separate actions, so I've effectively put your work into a 1 by 1 px and hidden it. If you feel you have too much time on your hands, you could of course make it an opt-in ;)
 
10:15 PM
@cigien if there's a R/A flag on a post with another custom flag that makes it clear, then I accept the R/A flag. But otherwise, I try to translate it (Google Chrome FTW) always. I don't want to penalize the flagger either.
 
@Nick Experiment.. trying to get connected with gravatar to get a transparent avatar. It's not going according to my hopes.
 
Also note that marking a R/A flag as helpful != nuking the post with R/A flag
Mods can just delete the post, which would not add the R/A penalties
I tend to resort to that option when I can't decide asap.
 
@Scratte It is an opt-in. You have the option to check the box to send a request, or not. :;
 
Also I mention "asap" because usually it'll be linked in chat where users just flag as R/A without thinking twice
 
... without thinking once
 
10:18 PM
Heh, in some cases that too
 
@AdrianMole Sometimes he thinks in advance :P
 
@Makyen I mean opt-in as to if it appears in the dialog or does not appear in the dialog :)
 
@Machavity Thanks in advance?
 
@AdrianMole Tanks in a dance
 
The original "Thanks is a dance" post, btw stackoverflow.com/posts/37039371/revisions
 
10:22 PM
@BhargavRao I see. It seems there are a lot of factors in play for when a R/A flag gets marked helpful; whether there were other custom flags, whether it was a request posted in here, which mod handles it, etc. I think the guidance on simply not raising R/A flags for non-English posts is very good then (especially since a lot of these factors are not in a user's control). Thanks a lot for the explanations, I appreciate it.
 
Heh, found this when looking at my old bookmarks stackoverflow.com/q/41517971/4099593
@cigien yeah, always go for the safe bet.
Aight, 4am, sleep time \o
 
@BhargavRao They used the right tag at least :)
 
lol, yeah. One of the fun things to search when you're a mod stackoverflow.com/…
 
Ooh, that looks fun :) I'm almost jealous, but then I think of all the horrendous crap that's likely in there as well.
 
10:38 PM
@Scratte then you'll disappear completely! :)
 
@Nick :O :) I hadn't though of that. Thanks :)
 
@Scratte well, if you're aiming for a Cheshire cat effect, that would be cool...
 
@Nick Being a squirrel, that's going to be tricky. If I succeed in getting a gravatar as an avatar, I'll try the completely transparent one though :)
 
@desertnaut I think you know I have significant respect for you and your curation efforts here. In spirit, I approve and appreciate your wanting to close Q&A that get used as a misleading example. However, a dispassionate review suggests that rene's suggestion has to be the correct one. If something is being discussed on Meta, we need to (at least) let the discussion play out before getting involved here, if it is ever appropriate to get involved here.
Please don't let that discourage you from making other requests.
 
10:49 PM
@Scratte Cheshire squirrel? Or perhaps it would need to be from Sussex...
 
But.. do squirrels smile?
 
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