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dbc
8:08 PM
Oy, stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic no longer mentions anything about homework help!
So I can't add the following comment any more:
What happened?
 
I just don't understand what that poster expected. Did they seriously think someone would do their 11 part homework for them?
 
dbc
That's what they wanted
Whether they actually expected that or were just taking a shot in the dark, who knows?
 
@IanCampbell You'd be amazed. I found where the same person rolled up 5 accounts to ask the same question over and over until someone answered
 
@IanCampbell Why not? May get 15 points in the green bubble :D
 
@Scratte That user has > 15 rep, so they are worth 25! (Yes, I can't help but notice)
 
8:11 PM
@dbc The help pages were changed recently, based on a discussion I had with CodyGray. I can find the discussion in the transcript if you'd like. The summary is, Homework help questions are not off-topic per se, so that is not a valid argument any more. You should update the comment that you've been using. The question may still be off-topic for other reasons of course.
 
@dbc Is was removed because it was abused. The idea is not to close low effort posts, which can be very useful posts. But to close post that are not focused enough to be answerable. Which.. 11 points is not.
@IanCampbell But.. you almost never get the 25, since 1 reputation users can't upvote.
I mean that's what I heard from a friend.. :P
 
Said user has 71 reputation, granting them the upvote privilege at 15 rep, thus they can both accept and upvote for a total for 25 rep for an accepted/upvoted answer. Not that it matters, I was just being silly in response to your silliness.
 
Ahh.. or you could get 13. I accept but it's not really that great ;) Of course that requires a little more reputation points to pull off. Did I beat you in being silly? :)
 
@cigien If someone asks an answerable question that they mention is homework, I'll often edit that out, lest someone closes it for that reason.
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dbc
@IanCampbell That actually sounds like a good idea. I'll remember to do that in the future.
 
8:16 PM
@IanCampbell Yeah, that's the correct behavior. HW isn't off topic perse, but you must ask an interesting well asked question.
 
Something being interesting is opinionated, no?
 
@Scratte Yes, not everyone is interested in the same things
@cigien link? Is this meaning that homework questions no longer have to show an attempt? Or...
 
@IanCampbell I understand wanting to do that, since many users are unaware that a question being Homework is not a close reason. I would be cautious with doing that in all cases however, since the knowledge that it's a homework question can affect the sorts of answers that users provide.
@TylerH Yes. No attempt is basically no effort, and that is not a close reason, regardless of whether it's a homework question or not. I'll look up the link in the transcript, give me a sec.
 
@cigien That's a fair concern. Same with "I'm totally new to <insert language>".
I just don't think it adds a lot of value, especially for future visitors
 
IIRC the homework attempt requirement was a meta community decision so it'd take more than a moderator disagreeing with it to make that not policy, but it sounds like if the help center were changed then more did happen, since IIRC that requires CM assistance (and that's of course assuming my recollection is right about the requirement being a meta community decision in the first place)
 
8:22 PM
@IanCampbell Yes. While it's not relevant.. it's also relevant in which way to Answer. Users landing on the post later on can also decide to skip it due to this or go "Yay, just like me".
 
@IanCampbell Yeah, that one can be tricky. If it's just along the lines of "I'm new to X" or "I've starting toying around with Y" I usually remove that when editing. However, if it's phrased like "I'm new to X so don't understand concept Y and Z from the language", then I will usually leave that in because it's providing context for users to answer around
 
@TylerH If I recall the conversation, it was added by one moderator to make it more clear that all posts needed to be on topic and answerable. Saying "It's homework" doesn't excuse that.
 
@Dharman bouncer hat suits you haha :)
 
Then it got abused to close anything where there's a lack of effort.
 
@TylerH Ha, that was exactly the concern I raised. Cody of course does what Cody does, and they simply edited out the bullet point in the "off-topic" section in the help pages that referred to homework. Whether that goes against any meta decision I couldn't say. You'd have to ask Cody. I can only take responsibility for bringing it up. I did voice my concerns about a single moderator editing help pages unilaterally.
 
8:27 PM
@Vega btw, I wanted to tell you first I have all the steward badges but I ended up not saying anything as to not cause any bother.
 
@cigien You could easily argue that the recent meta posts about HowTo Questions being fine with the several hundred score on them are an indication that it wasn't entirely unilateral.
 
@bad_coder Help and improvement is so much harder now.
 
@bad_coder Ahh.. Vega is nr. 78th :)
 
@cigien Hmm, I forgot that a moderator could edit help pages on their own; I was recalling that it was a CM task
 
@TylerH This is chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/51085338 where I brought it up. Just a few messages above, and about 20 messages below covers the entire discussion.
 
8:30 PM
@cigien thanks
 
@bad_coder Really? I only have one steward badge. Good job!
 
@Scratte Sure, but this is about the "homework" aspect of a question, not just the "how-to". I'll definitely argue there is consensus on the latter, but to the former I am unaware of any such consensus, at least on meta, and I certainly haven't taken part in such a discussion on meta.
 
@cigien Hmm, seems like the particular bit was all added in by one specific moderator, then.
I'd have to go digging on Meta for more info to discuss any further (and ain't nobody got time for that right now)
 
Too bad the help center doesn't have a publicly visible revision history.
 
@TylerH For additional context I asked here chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/51085940 for some way to signal to others that this change occurred, perhaps via a starred message, anticipating exactly the kind of discussion we're having. Cody was having none of it, so here we are.
 
8:35 PM
@bad_coder Congrats on that; some of the queues in particular are fraught with dangers
 
@TylerH Yes, Robert Harvey I believe. You certainly have my sympathy re digging into meta. It's considerable effort and time to do that effectively.
 
@cigien I agree it's a thing worth discussing, at least at some point, on Meta (if there isn't actually a canonical discussion out there already). I am not personally affected by the change that much because I'm somehow lucky enough to not see that many homework questions (at least not before they are already addressed by others)
but I do see a fair few questions after the fact that would be affected by such a rule change (no longer requiring an attempt at solving/answering)
 
dbc
I can't imagine getting the Steward badge for the "First Posts" queue.
 
@dbc Surely Triage is the worst
 
dbc
To successfully finish 1000 "First Post" reviews I feel like I'd need to skip 20,000+ posts that I know nothing about.
 
8:38 PM
heh
yeah I kind of wish Skips were tracked
I have skipped thousands of questions in the CV queue, just wish I knew how many thousands...
 
dbc
I've finished 260 Triage reviews but only 125 First post reviews, so apparently First Post is worst for me.
 
@TylerH Moderators can edit the on-topic page. Most, nearly all, of the rest are CM only for edits.
 
I just have a tag filter on First Posts
 
@TylerH Indeed. C++ tag gets a reasonable number of these, and I've been trying to change user's responses to those questions. There's a lot of requests in here along the same lines, and I've been pushing back against some of that, with moderate to no success :p A meta on this would be lovely, but I certainly don't have the time at the moment to begin that discussion there.
 
dbc
I may find Triage easier because the set of required actions is bounded. Whereas with "First Post" there could be an unlimited about of work.
 
8:40 PM
@TylerH I, also, was remembering that there was a Meta specifically about homework, which is what resulted in adding that line to the on-topic page. As with everyone else in here, I haven't, yet, gone looking for it, but it sounds like we might need to.
 
dbc
I can vaguely recall "First Post" reviews turning into extended comment threads on technologies I knew little about, because I tried to make a helpful suggestion about how to improve the question.
 
I haven't reread it yet, but How do I ask and answer homework questions? is likely relevant.
 
dbc
Did just get Steward for "Close Votes" yesterday. That's my third.
 
Congratulations. What's next? Triage?
 
dbc
8:48 PM
Not sure. Maybe Reopen? I'm at 310 for that one.
 
@Makyen Actually, most of that is to do with how to answer homework questions, rather than whether those questions are off-topic. What little there is suggests that those questions are not off-topic just by virtue of them being homework. I assume there is some other meta that led to the help-pages being edited to have that as a close reason.
 
@cigien To me, what the on-topic page said about homework appears to be directly rooted in the contents of that Meta answer. The on-topic page said: "Questions asking for homework help must include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it." That appears to cover the first two bullet points in that Meta answer under "Asking about homework".
 
9:06 PM
@Makyen Yes, you're right, there seems to be a special case where homework questions need to show an attempt. This is odd; no effort is definitely not a close reason, but there's an exception for homework? I wonder if that means I can ask a homework question without showing an attempt, so long as I don't mention that it's homework?
 
@cigien It is an exceptional subject matter, historically
@cigien Yes, you can ask such a question, and often you will get comments from attentive readers asking "is this homework?"
 
@TylerH And I could just say, "No, I found this in a textbook I'm reading for fun"?
 
Often, but not always, homework questions are asked by people who are young and unfamiliar with programming or Stack Overflow, or using the internet to find their answers, or all of the above. So they are usually about basic concepts that are addressed by some sleuthing online.
@cigien You could, and I see that a lot, but SO users are a skeptical bunch. Usually when someone says "no this isn't homework", it still doesn't improve folks' view of the question a whole lot.
answers (or comments) often go on to reply "read the rest of the book, which covers that topic"
 
That's reasonable. Ok, I thought I'd had this conversation before, and I was right. I had it with Scratte, in fact, and I suggested this chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/51083474 experiment. Perhaps it's worth a shot. If there is variance in responses, that would motivate me to write a meta about it.
 
9:22 PM
It works! It works!.. The back diamonds are gone :)
 
@cigien I'd be very interested in participating in this randomized trial.
 
@TylerH I've seem posts get closed under the "Homework" reason even when they clearly stated that it wasn't homework. The argument was that it could have been.
 
@Scratte that seems wrong
 
That's what I thought as well. It gave me another reason to dislike the opinionated closing of posts that isn't covered by a close reason. It seemed to me users were closing it because they just didn't like it.
 
9:33 PM
If I ask "How to do [this]", then it won't get closed most likely. But if I ask "My homework is [this]. How to do it?" then it will get closed.
 
That's wrong too. It shouldn't depend on how the Question came about at all.
 
I know thats my point
 
@mickmackusa concerning the last question you closed just now: I think the question is quite different as the one you marked as a dupe, it asks for a routes solution, not how to address an url . Please let me know, if I'm wrong...
 
If it's a list of stuff that needs to be done, it also doesn't matter if it's homework or workwork. It's still a list of stuff that's not a proper Question.
 
@IanCampbell Thank you. Any help is appreciated. If you're offering to post one or both of the questions from your account, that's not really going to work since you have too much rep for that to be convincing. It would require 2 new accounts to post the questions, preferably with about 50 rep each.
There are a number of other things that are needed: the questions have to be pretty similar, so probably in the same tags. They also need to be posted at the same time of day, but that means they can't be too similar, or frequenters in that tag will notice. The questions also can't be obvious dupes; dupes are fine so long as they take 15-20 minutes to find. There are probably other factors I've missed that will have to be taken into account to make it a fair comparison.
 
9:39 PM
I have an alt with 75 rep
 
@10Rep Yeah, that would be perfect.
 
I want to take part and see exactly what happens.
 
About hats: The balalaika and disciple have been removed from everyone since there was a bug. Those that actually earned them will get them back. Reference
 
@Scratte Please share that link if you have it. If you have multiple that would be even better. Posts like that would be great fodder for such a discussion.
 
@cigien That was a while ago. I do not think I kept a link to it. I'm sure it's closed and deleted now.
It was a no-effort post about detecting a change to the sign of a number, if I remember correctly.
 
9:44 PM
@Scratte I understand. If you do find it, that would be nice. It being deleted is not a hindrance at all.
 
It is for being able to search for it :)
 
@cigien @Scratte I have returned the line item about homework help to the on-topic page, and edited it a bit. IMO, given the existing Meta FAQ removing it needs more discussion than just in here. I should note that I've edited it a bit in an attempt to make it more clear that the line item is intended to be in compliance with the above Meta and that homework is not inherently off-topic.
 
There was an image in it with numbers that looked like trading numbers. Like 0.02 and -0.0424, so like stock prices.
@Makyen I think perhaps @CodyGray needs a cc on that :)
 
@Scratte Well, there's a cc now :)
 
@Scratte Yes. I'm aware of that. I'm messaging him in the moderator room, not here.
 
9:48 PM
Ohh.. ok. Sorry about that then :(
 
@Scratte This is not the place where this situation will be resolved.
 
@Makyen No. I can understand that. Not that I'm happy it being back in the help pages. I see it being abused along with low-effort.
 
@Makyen Thank you for the edits. While I'm not a fan of the rule, it is much more in line with the current consensus, and how users treat such questions. I completely agree that resolving this in SOCVR is inappropriate, and must be done so on meta.
 
@Scratte Then write up a Meta to discuss it.
 
Wrong person ;)
 
9:52 PM
@Makyen btw, do you happen to know if /help/on-topic supports markdown tables now?
 
Those type of posts need to be written by established users that are very good with words. Else it'll just go down and used as an additional excuse to close anything that may be homework.. for someone. On a different planet.
 
@TomerShetah cv-pls requests have a requirement of activity within the last 6 months, per our room rules
 
I see. Thanks and sorry.
 
@TylerH What if I edit it now? Would it then be eligible?
Not that I would do such a thing..
 
9:54 PM
@Makyen I've already started a discussion here about how to write up, and post some homework questions so that responses to those posts could be used to start a discussion about this on meta (I find that to be preferable to discussing the topic in the abstract). Is that discussion acceptable here, or should I refrain from doing even that? It's not clear to me if that falls under the umbrella of "resolving the issue here".
 
@10Rep now, no, because that'd clearly be an attempt at circumventing the requirement
but if you had edited it before the request was made... and of course not said anything, it's another story :-) Of course, if ROs or room members notice a pattern, you're still likely to get a talking to...
 
Am I allowed to flag if somebody changes the answer by copy/pasting my answer once it is known that their answer was wrong
 
@TylerH Ah ok, that was my question.
 
socvr.org/faq#GEfM-cv-pls-not-a-habit "have recent activity on the question (recent answers, edits not made by you, or suggested edits)" Someone already thought of your loophole
 
@akrun someone changed their answer to be a copy of yours? You could rollback, comment, downvote, and/or flag
 
9:56 PM
@TylerH I don't know. It probably does, given the general change to Commonmark.
 
@IanCampbell Someone probably already used it.. and that's how that rule came about :D
 
@TylerH Ok, thanks
 
@10Rep I'd note that this is explicitly mentioned in the FAQ.
 
@cigien I know you asked Makyen, but discussing how you can post a few Questions in order to better write up a meta post isn't really making a decision about things in this room.
 
@Makyen which appears to have already been mentioned.
 
10:00 PM
@Makyen Yeah, I was just curious
 
@akrun I do not necessarily agree that they copy/pasted your answer. The solution in question could very easily be arrived at separately.
 
@Makyen reason I'm wondering is I feel like the 'ask question on X site' list at the bottom might look nicer as a table
 
@IanCampbell If you check the timings, it is very evident
 
I don't even think the change of help page was something that was "decided in this room". I saw it was inspired by a conversation here, but it's not like we came to a decision about it. Other than we agreed that posts should only get closed for the actual close reasons.
 
@Dharman btw, did you run out of questions on your delete list?
Or have I just been missing those messages lately
 
10:02 PM
Does this link to a deleted answer? stackoverflow.com/questions/60644939/…
 
Zoe
yep
 
Notice how their answer has na.rm = TRUE, while yours does not. I agree it's annoying when someone else edits their answer to be your same approach, but I could have easily come up with that answer.
 
@Zoe ok, thanks
 
Could they have copied your code and added na.rm = TRUE? Maybe, but I suspect your flag would be declined.
 
@IanCampbell that is true, but the issue is that the same person was accusing others of copy/pasting his/her answers while making small changes.
 
10:04 PM
@akrun That small difference can have an effect. One time, I flagged an answer that copied the code off my answer, but there was one character of difference that caused the flag to be declined.
 
@cigien My main issue is that this is not something which will be resolved here. To be honest, this seems like a "let's see how it goes" situation. Preliminary discussions in here are fine. We're just not going to override a Meta consensus at all, particularly one which seems to be fairly strong, as these things go (score of nearly 900 and 67k views).
 
@akrun Perhaps it's easier to just ignore the behavior and raise a custom flag if people are accusing you of things you aren't doing?
 
@IanCampbell I guess you know the dupe tag from yesterday
 
Ironically, I think I do. I just ignored it because it wasn't that big of a deal.
 
@akrun you've got your advice to flag for a mod. As this tends to turn into a discussion about a user this can stop now here in this room. Thanks.
 
10:11 PM
@rene ok, sure
 
What do I make of this? stackoverflow.com/questions/9930576/… Is it still not an answer?
 
@10Rep Oh, that's a tough one. I think it's an answer.
 
In that case why wasn't my flag marked as helpful?
IIRC edits automatically mark flags as helpful.
 
Editing invalidates VLQ. Is that what you flagged?
 
No I flagged it as NAA... it didn't get marked as helpful, so I retracted it.
 
10:19 PM
@10Rep I don't see that any mods or other users reviewed it
Converted to comment, tho. It's not clear it offers anything other answers covered
 
@Makyen Sorry, I guess I was unclear. I was referring to this chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/51180524 discussion, which is to do with how to construct the meta question so that the issue can be discussed there. I'm not suggesting that we have a discussion, even a preliminary one, that tries to resolve anything here. Is that acceptable?
 
@Machavity But then what if I flag an answer as NAA and then go AFK? If it gets edited I get a declined flag :(
 
@10Rep Then use a VLQ flag?
 
@10Rep I agree with Machavity, I use VLQ if I suspect the user might edit their post into an answer.
 
I keep a tab open and check it every 5 minutes ;)
 
10:23 PM
@TylerH I have been focusing on other stuff lately, but also I have run out of items on the list. I still have some smaller lists, but I do not have the time/will to go through them
 
@IanCampbell I'll use VLQ if it's a higher rep user
There's no way my computer can keep 10 tabs open at once
 
Well, you have 1400 helpful flags, one declined isn't going to hurt that much. Take one for the greater good!
 
@10Rep The problem is that if you're reporting to Natty and mark them VLQ. Then you'll need to go back to them if your flag is marked helpful to see that the edit made it into an Answer. Most edits don't.
 
Declines aren't that big of a deal, especially if you have a lot of helpful flags
 
Alternatively flag as VLQ, but don't give Natty feedback.
 
10:26 PM
@Dharman glad to hear at least one to-do list got completed in 2020 :-)
 
@IanCampbell It depends on the goal :P If one is going for the elite green flagger, then one declined flag sets one back 1000 helpful ones.
 
I have completed a lot of things in 2020.
 
@Scratte How many people other than you can see your flagger status? One named Sam?
 
BTW @Scratte is referring to Samuel Liew's flagger mod script
 
@cigien What you've linked appears to be running an experiment to see what people's response is to something declared as homework vs something that's not declared as homework. While that might result in data which could be used in a discussion, I don't really see it as something needed in order to start a discussion as to what people feel should be or shouldn't be on-topic.
Running the experiment just gets you data as to how people are responding, it doesn't determine what the consensus is as to what people feel should be the response.
 
10:28 PM
@IanCampbell Heh.. No one. But apparently I started a trend there.
 
Yeah, I still have some lists, but I don't think they are a priority for me now
 
@Makyen But the outcome could be used to argue for the removal of the item in the page.
 
@Dharman That accepted answer looks a lot like spam.
 
It's probably spam. I am not clickin
 
@Scratte Note that the reluctance to flag when there's a risk of a declined flag is way older than I am here. There are lots of meta posts about declined flags. Some go way back. My username just pops up on those discussions here because I've been open on the subject that I'm not inclined to flag when I feel the risk is too high.
 
10:32 PM
@Dharman I clicked the link and it led me to some website with a countdown that does nothing.
 
hmm.. how do you know it does nothing?
 
That countdown is how long until hackers have complete control of your computer.
 
..and it doesn't stop just because you close the page :P
 
Oh no.... it's a trap! I see the glitches coming!
 
@Scratte That isn't the right type of argument. The first thing that needs to be determined is what is the consensus as to what is on-topic. Arguing just for the removal of that line item at least has the appearance of going against the compromise consensus expressed in that Meta FAQ. So, it's not clear if you're making that argument is just "this is being abused; we should try to correct people's actions" or "this consensus is wrong".
That people are misunderstanding what that statement is trying to represent isn't a good argument to just trash it. OTOH, it is a good argument to have some other statement which more accurately reflects the consensus.
 
10:38 PM
@Makyen This has more than one issue. There's the close reasons which I assume are the ones that reflect what's off topic/not OK. Going beyond those could be a slippery slope. As I understand it those are set by Stack and can not be changed by meta consensus without Stack agreeing.
So even if there for some reason would be consensus on meta that Haskell was off topic, would it actually be the new policy?
 
@Makyen Ok, let me try again. Doing the experiment is not necessary to start the discussion, sure. Also, how users respond to the experiment is only data and doesn't determine what the consensus is; I agree with that as well.
For context, I ran an experiment prior to asking this meta, and I found it to be extremely useful in having something concrete to talk about while trying to reach a consensus.
I would like to do a similar experiment with regards to the homework topic, so that I can use the results of that experiment to focus the meta discussion. Again, I 'm aware this is not necessary in order to start a discussion, and user's responses are only data, and doesn't determine consensus.
What I'm looking for is feedback on how to construct this experiment, because there are issues, as I've mentioned previously, that make conducting this experiment trickier than the previous one. So my question is, is it acceptable for me to solicit feedback on the construction of this experiment, so long as I don't try to arrive at a consensus, or even discuss the actual topic in here?
 
I like how I have 6 hats, 5 if which are secret requirements.
 
An employee has just removed one user. Is it because the moderators requested but employee had to validate and they have fixed timeframes? Do moderators have some threshold on the users they can remove?
 
@gunr2171 The one you're wearing may not be one that you earned ;) Yup.. you didn't earn it. It's gone from you list :)
 
@Scratte The site-specific close reasons can be edited by moderators. The system makes it better that this be done in conjunction with CMs, but it's intended that moderators are able to edit them.
Overall, sites are permitted to establish for themselves, via discussions on their site Meta, what is and is not on topic.
There is not a specific line-item in the close-vote/flag dialog which covers each entry in the on-topic and off-topic pages. That dialog is not intended to have such. At a minimum, there's just not enough room in the dialog. The dialog has a "custom" entry specifically for cases where something is off-topic, but there isn't an existing explicit line item choice.
 
10:47 PM
@Scratte I know there was a bug with that one, but if I still have it then it means that I should actually have it?
 
@gunr2171 I lost that hat... so I'm assuming you actually earned it.
 
@gunr2171 I think it means that if you take it off, you can't put take it back on.
 
oh wait, it's gone
sad face
There's a hat for "Upvote any user's first post." Uh, well, it might be a long time until I get that one....
 
I don't really like milliner. They shortened it for some reason, so I switched to propel thyself
 
Sorry for the triple ping. I'm a typoist..
 
10:50 PM
@Scratte thats k, i donnt minde atall
<insert internal screaming here>
 
How do I get that hat that gunr has
 
"you can't put take it back on" -chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/51180923
 
the headphones or the tan hat?
 
headphones
 
headphones, no idea
i lost it, it should be gone when you refresh
 
10:55 PM
I'm conducting my own experiment to see if it triggers a hat :)
 
We were triggering hat awards for Balalaika and Disciple incorrectly, so we cleared and reset them. If you had the hat and lost it but are still wearing it, you can continue to wear it but once you remove it, you can't get it back until you re-earn the hat.
 
BUT I GOT HEADPHONES, AND THEY WERE COOL
6
 
I told you to not take them off, didn't I? But you just had to do it :P
 
> I'm conducting my own experiment
I mean, I'm an engineer
 
lies
 
10:58 PM
i didn't want the headphones but now i want them back
 
No, I'm an engineer. You're an engi
 
I hated those headphones, but now I can't live without them!
 
opens photoshop and downloads the headphones image
 
dbc
Having lost both my balalaika and my headphones, I feel... silenced. The music has stopped.
 
11:01 PM
(for the record, by "engi" I mean the Engineer class from Team Fortress 2)
(also, for the record, explaining a joke makes it funnier)
 
So much for #1 on the leaderboard. Thanks SE.
4
 
That is so unfair. Ian has lost so much. SE should provide some compensation, maybe some swag.
 
Haha.
 
There should be a "hat" which is a larger spider. You get it for having a hat accidently given to you. You can't take the spider hat off.
 
Just... keep in mind the name of the hat (Disciple) and think about what that means.
 
11:04 PM
I have to stalk some users!
 
... to be honest, I'm not actually sure why the hat is a set of headphones...
 
disciple - "A personal follower of jesus during his life"
according to google
 
@Scratte Must be a Nerf Now reference. He originally was a TF2 comic and made female counterparts to all the characters. Named the female engineer "Engi"
 
Ah... I see. We... apparently came up with the title and the trigger... and no one knew what the hat should be (the ideas for the image is blank in the spreadsheet)... so... who knows where the headphones came from HAHAHA
@10Rep Not sure about the necessity of a religious connotation but a good definition all the same.
 
Which hat do I get for deleting questions?
 
11:06 PM
The invisihat.
 
@Dharman your hat reminds me a lot of Johnny Bravo
 
Ohh mama
 
@Catija Clearly a reference to this Christian music group
 
I think I know how to get the headphones... get a declined flag with a custom message. In that case you are the disciple... get it?
 
11:19 PM
Hmm, I can try but I don't think employees would want that for mods
 
@Machavity The descendants of engi is "nothing" :)
One doesn't get hats for maximizing on downvotes. At least not on Questions.
 
I think I reached it like 5 times today already so definitely not that
 
Then not an Answers either :)
 
I only downvoted 24 answers today
Maybe I should downvote 40 or 50 answers in a day. I can try tomorrow
How can I get the sword?
 
@Dharman read the tour page
 
11:25 PM
I read it but it didn't say how
 
No.. read a tour page you haven't read. You'll get two hats in one go on this one. You'll need to create a profile on a site where you didn't read it yet.
@Dharman Normally you move your eyes every so slightly from left to right..
Oh!.. "User was removed" :) I'm almost back to me :)
 
@Scratte Yeah, that user has made a lot of upvotes in Java tag and probably few others too
 
@Dharman Ohh.. that was a result of one of your flags? :)
 
I presume, but I can't know for sure. I am not informed on what happened. I can only monitor user rankings
It's not only me who is flagging stuff
 
No.. that's right. You only flag half! :)
I just wish one was told which posts were affected.
 
11:50 PM
@Scratte Woohoo! I missed out when I made the 100k milestone and I've always lusted after those socks! :)
 
@Nick The blue or the orange? :)
Being a rainbow I can see the dilemma. Perhaps you can ask for one blue and one orange :P
 
It has to be the orange, they're good hi-vis wear for work :)
 
@gunr2171 I got the disciple.. na-na na-na-na :P
 
How?
 
@Scratte I had that but they took it away from me :(
 
11:58 PM
Here I am working on Backlog. And Scratte is figuring out the mysteries of the universe.
 
Want to experiment to figure out exactly what the trigger is or do you want to just get it?
 
I want to experiment
 
I'll take all the free hats I can get =p
 

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