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This was the most starred message last year on this day:
Dec 1 '19 at 9:09, by Tim
nerds https://adventofcode.com/2019/day/1
 
11:16 AM
"last year this day" ... yeah sure :D
 
Tim
surely it's 1 december somewhere :)
 
11:36 AM
on Samoa
 
 
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1:03 PM
@Tim lol noob
 
posted on November 30, 2020 by CommonsWare

A couple of months ago, I asked some uncomfortable questions about App Signing. Those were sparked by Google’s declaration that all new apps have to be distributed as App Bundles, which in turn require App Signing. App Signing introduces a big problem: Google can modify apps before they sign them. And while Google on its own may not necessarily have a reason do make any such modifications, othe

 
Tim
1:45 PM
@CrabsStew who are you
 
1:55 PM
YoOoOoOoOo o/
 
yo
 
someone forgot to pay me and now i need to send a bounty hunter after them
 
So you sold yourself?! Poor kitty....
 
 
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3:42 PM
posted on November 30, 2020 by Dan Lew

Suppose we’ve got an RxJava test to verify that a stream never emits anything*: @Test fun verifyNeverEmits() { Observable.never<String>().subscribe { fail() } } How would the equivalent one look like for Flow? Suppose I’m testing a theoretical neverFlow(): @Test fun verifyNeverCollects() = runBlocking { neverFlow().collect { fail() } } There’s

 
4:22 PM
heyooo
 
Tim
what up
 
not much man, just starting my day more or less
pretty slow so far thankfully
what about you?
 
Tim
not much either
release a huge app update last week, trying to push back on new features because our tech debt is bigger than the US debt
 
oh nice! How was the release?
I have one coming up this weekend, gunna be working the whole weekend to get it in
My company thankfully pays 2x OT for weekends at least lol will cover my christmas presents for everyone
 
Tim
4:40 PM
the release was a huge success in terms of the amount of work we did for all the features and stuff, given a tight deadline. But I'm a bit embarrassed for the stability
 
Tim
4:54 PM
but that's not on us
 
well at least it was good and not on you! That's kinda shity though it's not stable
what's caused that?
 
@ballBreaker sup
 
yooo
 
(:
:)
 
hey jibs
 
5:06 PM
heyo
 
how glossy is ur monitor screen?
 
not very, why?
 
just wondering just wondering
 
Tim
@ballBreaker endless rush of new features, disregarding maintenance
 
@JBis if you look really closely at this picture you can see the most handsome boy you've ever seen
I dont think that worked
 
5:09 PM
@ballBreaker <3
 
did it work, lol looks like a broken link for me
 
its broken but i clicked
 
haha even better
@Tim ahhhhh shit eh :\ classic management move
 
@Tim remind me, what do you do now? are you an android dev?
 
people confuse me
lol I got myself into a bit of a funny argument
I'm so used to people calling any semblance of socialist policy socialism, that I forgot canada wasn't socialist
and got into an argument with someone about how socialism wasn't bad, when they were talking about true socialism IE communism
which I don't agree with
 
Tim
5:18 PM
@JBis yeah I'm actually the only android dev here
 
ah cool
 
Tim
ama
 
What's it like being an android developer when you could have been a swift developer instead?
Do you ever look back on your life choices and regret the decisions you've made?
Does the crippling anxiety of letting everyone down around you get any easier with time?
Do you always do a pee when you do a poo?
 
Tim
me, a kotlin dev, looking at swift
 
hahaha
apple languages are cancer
I say this from a completely unbias viewpoint as well, of course
 
5:27 PM
pretty sure swift is regarded as a pretty good language
 
Tim
@ballBreaker interestingly yes, even if I peed 15 mins before
 
tho i still think building native apps is stupid
 
haha yeah that was just a shot in the dark, idk anything about swift
I know xcode was puree'd poo though
 
in my limited experience xcode is shit
 
Tim
swift is kotlin but 2 years behind
 
5:28 PM
hahaha sounds par-for-the-course for apple ;)
hue hue hue apple bad
 
@Tim it's literally two years behind, 2014 and 2016
unless that was the joke
 
but yeah native languages are pretty dumb in an age with cross platform
 
Tim
what is the 2016 referring to?
 
the only reason electron is so popular is because there is no cross platform alternative for desktop that isn't in C++
 
no idea what that is
 
5:31 PM
@Tim kotlin 1.0 was released in 2016
 
I thought elecrons were popular because they are a building block of the universe and responsible for all our nice electronics
 
Tim
oh ok
I meant the opposite though. Kotlin is better than swift
 
@ballBreaker discord, slack, spotify (ok not technically electron but same difference) and many others
@Tim yes. Swift is two years behind Kotlin. Swift: 2014, Kotlin: 2016
 
Tim
that's not how time works
 
Electron apps kinda suck but they are easy to develop and easy to port a webapp to.
 
5:34 PM
wouldn't that mean that swift had 2 more years to be better
@JBis ?
oh is electron a framework?
 
@ballBreaker yes
 
you didn't really explain to me what it was by listing popular apps lmao
ok
 
@ballBreaker That's why FORTRAN is the preferred language by all developers
 
correct
IIRC fortran was indent specific and it was annoying as fuck
I had to use it a small handful of times
 
@ballBreaker why
 
Tim
5:36 PM
@ballBreaker time wise yes. But as java is used by 3 billion devices™ on many platforms (not just android) its upgrade kotlin grew popular much faster than swift and has much more community support because of it
 
mostly in my university job, I had to port some applications from FORTRAN79 (or whatever the latest version was) to C
and then later on to CUDA
@Tim makes sense
why would anyone bother handcuffing themselves with a native language when you could do an equal or better job with something that has cross platform support, it doesn't really make sense
 
Tim
also kotlin is making rather successful steps towards multiplatform stuff, as opposed to swift. Soon iOS devs will be writing in kotlin
kotlin on server, kotlin on website, kotlin on android, kotlin on iOS
buy kotlin stock
 
kotlin in mah fookin brain
 
yeah kotlin seems like a great langauge
 
elon musk sweet tech daddy put that kotlin in my brain
 
5:39 PM
the only bad thing is you need the JVM installed
need kotlin to compile to native, which is still in progress and currently pretty unstable
 
Tim
luckily that's preinstalled on every device on the planet
 
yeah lol seriously, my electrical toothbrush runs kotlin
 
Tim
it's true
 
I ran Java on it but my teeth got coffee stains
jibs did u get anything for black friday
 
Tim
I got a deadline for black friday. Downside of working in tech
 
5:46 PM
@ballBreaker i thought most embedded devices run C++
@Tim meh, not many macs
 
@Tim oof lol that is rough, halfway across the world and getting shafted by american consumerism
@JBis idk I was just kidding
 
Tim
it's leaking all over the planet
even our local supermarkets have black friday deals
 
@JBis also IIRC it's mostly C in embedded devices jbis but I could be worng, been a long time since I've done anything with em
@Tim lmao whatt
 
Tim
I got at least 25 emails promoting shitty deals from various services cough amazon
 
get this apple for 2c less! black friday bitch!
 
Tim
5:49 PM
"only 6 days until black friday"
"only 5 days until black friday"
"only 4 days until black friday"
"only 3 days until black friday"
 
lol yeah I've unsubbed to all non-order emails from amazon at this point
fucking amazon
I'm not going to shop during prime day, black friday, or cyber monday, fuck offff
 
haha
 
@ballBreaker hmm, yeah probably. Still dont see the use in using C over C++ for anything other than building OSes. But I'm sure theres a reason.
 
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5:53 PM
most likely for memory reasons
 
considering we are changing everything from blacklist to master branch we should probably get rid of black Friday too as it renforces the idea black people are poor
 
you'll need libraries with C++ and therefore more memory
and I think it's not a true C but rather embedded C
 
@ballBreaker is it that significant? i guess with devices with a couple kb's of memory
 
yeah
it's small and fast and that's what's needed the most in embedded systems, also the compiler is extremely compatible with most hardware
and it's only a wee step from assembly so I imagine that has somethin to do with it
 
i cant believe stuff like pacman and galaga was written in straight assembly
also props to Wozniak for hand compiling macos
i would shoot myself
 
5:59 PM
yeah it takes a certain breed of loser nerd to do that kind of thing
I swear people who like assembly and computer architecture (hardware) are autistic
I don't understand how a normal person's brain can enjoy that
 
i dont like it but i like to learn a bit so i reverse engineer shit
 
I learned it in school but yeah, not for me
the digital logic was extremely interesting and fun, and then once it got to the application of it in processors - it killed my learning excitment for it
on a high level it was awesome, and interesting.. but digging into the details of it, bleh
 
^
the spectre thing is kind of interesting tho
if(x()){
  b = 3 + y;
}
 
not sure what that is tbh
 
processor precomputes the b value before checking if x() is true
specutlative branching
 
6:03 PM
ahh gotcha
 
wrong paste
@ballBreaker security thing you prob heard of it meltdownattack.com
 
> his might include your passwords stored in a password manager or browser,
lol yikes
good thing I don't use a password manager like a total IDOIT
i love the layman terms in this haha
it's such fear mongering
 
o/
 
But yeah I do actually remember this
hey davey
 
@DaveS you use C++ for your fridges right?
or c?
 
6:09 PM
C
I did C++ in my first job out of HS though
 
Have you guys tested performance in C vs C++?
 
no
 
how do you test the fridge stuff? do you have a fridge chip sitting next to you or something?
 
quit calling it a fridge
I have multiple grills and grill controllers with a testing box I can plug controllers directly into
 
fridges grills potato patato
 
6:14 PM
we test functionality but C++ was never something we considered or cared about
 
@DaveS cool, but why would you use grill controllers to test fridges?
 
/ignore
 
:D
 
lmao
tell us more about these ... reverse fridges.. a .. grill? I don't understand
speaking of friges, I had a thermodynamics project in university and I had to model the freon cycle in it. I ended up getting back in my calculations that my fridge was running at 10C lol somehow my prof never realized that that would have been impossible
and all my food would be bad
he was somehow more incompetent than I was
I still think about him sometimes, he was such an idiot
our final exam was a total shitshow, he accidentally gave us the post-grad exam, so nobody knew any of the answers on any of the questions and the entire class failed
my answer on one of them was "are you seriously this incompetent that you can't even remember what you taught us?" lol got an email after apologizing to the class and "thanking us for our.. candor" lol
thanks for listening
 
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6:31 PM
ha ha
 
7:04 PM
today has been slooooow and booooooooring
I've gotten one email all day
 
bb, everyday is slow and boring for you
 
IDK how that's even possible
naaaah that's not true, but lately a lot of them are yeah haha
 
except when you are trying to track down some random woman
 
haha
working is boring and slow
sleuthing is exciting and fast
 
then find another job
 
7:05 PM
nah I love this job
It's a solid balance of stress and no-stress, work and no-work
too much of either and it sucks, but I balance a nice line
 
nice
> Identify some past successes--either personal or professional
i hate these stupidly broad questions
 
but yeah, some days are worse than others for that, I'm currently just waiting on a client which can't be helped
@JBis hahaha does it get specific AT ALL?
what are these successes for
 
nope, the full prompt is:
> 1. Identify some past successes--either personal or professional. Identify a common theme.
 
hahaha what is it for? job application?
 
school bullshit, to find an internship
 
7:09 PM
I assume there has to be some missing context
 
little do they know i already have a job
 
ahh gotcha
 
idk why they expect everyone my age not to know what they want to do
 
tell them about all the times you've successfully pood
 
i know exactly what i want to do with my life career wize and i have for the past 4+ years.
 
7:10 PM
yeah that was like me too
not a lot of people are so lucky though
also like me, it might change for you as well
 
i get that many don't know, but dont make me do all this shit if i do know
 
I wanted to be an engineer sooo bad until I became one
 
Tim
same with me and RO
 
haha
same actually
 
when were you an RO bb?
 
7:14 PM
not here but I was one in the matlab channel for a few years
java at one point but relinquished that
 
lol, bb being an RO
 
Tim
@ballBreaker lmao NERD
 
xD
I think it's funnier that I was a sexual harassment representative at my first company
 
> Identify your contributions. Make a list of the ways you feel you could make a difference. How do you believe you can contribute to the world? Your family? Your employer? Your community?
 
Tim
which side of the harassment would you represent? :DD
 
7:15 PM
haha Tim
 
@Tim the "what not to do" side I suppose :D
I forgot I was being sexually harassed at work a year ago
time flies
 
Tim
ah yeah
by the cougar
 
hahaha yeah that too, I forgot about that
 
Tim
wait that was not it?
 
The one I was talking about was the girl my age who I had to actually go to HR about
because she was reeeeeaaally into me and it was making things very uncomfortable and then she started bad mouthing me when I didn't show her reciprocal interest
so I had to go to HR to tell them the situation in case anything came back on me from her bad mouthing
:51048833 hahaha fortunately for me this was the first job
 
Tim
7:18 PM
@ballBreaker was that the one I saw?
 
like picture wise? I dont think I shared a pic of that one
 
imagine working in HR
 
I think I did for the cougar though who had kids and took me out for lunch and almost immediately asked me how good I was with kids
and whether or not I thought I'd be a good father in the future lmao
 
Tim
alright I remember now
"asking for a friend"
 
hahaha yeah
lmao
shoulda kept that one up
just threw a star away
 
7:21 PM
by now you should know the drill, post & remove
 
that chad move is to just edit it
 
Not to be arrogant, but I seriously don't understand how some people can have such poor work ethic compared to me, an 18 year old with virtually no experience
 
Everyone is different
but what do you mean specifically?
I think human brains are wired to optimize for efficiency in a lot of cases, so if people realize they can get away with not doing anything, they'll do it
Here's an example: I did shit all in university compared to a lot of people I know. I put in about 50% of the work of them and ended up with 80% of their grade, up to a higher grade than them in some situations, so what's my motivation for working harder?
 
Bunch of stuff. Not gonna get into specifics. But theres stuff that I'm in aw that people have a job. Like if I was their boss, they would not have a job. Actually, they would probably not be hired in the first place.
 
I still have a job like they do, I still get paid the same amount they do, but I put in 50% of the time they did
pretty sure I'm the winner in that scenario
 
7:31 PM
@ballBreaker schools different, i do bare minimum
 
fair, but just an example
it's not different imo
I guess a distinction too, is that for a lot of people their job is just a means to make money and they don't attach any personal motivations into it
they get fired? meh, find a new job
But yeah it's a bit hard to argue for them without knowing the specifics of the situation
Some people definitely don't deserve to have a job, but what are ya gunna do
maybe they specialize in brown nosing instead of doing their job
also can't forget about nepotism
 
yeah i guess
 
I'm getting too empathetic as I grow older lol
 
8:15 PM
I'm getting less
 
haha really?
 
yes
 
I think your early 20s, late teens thats typical
BB is approaching his late 20s and I had a similar change as I got older
 
how old are you now mwb? you're like 25 or something right?
I feel like I've been slowly getting some back over the past 5 years, but the past 1-2 years have especially seen it increase
which is good for me, it's nice to have some compassion again
 
8:33 PM
Im 27 since not so long
 
for some reason I thought you were much younger
talks of internships and stuff maybe
 
I should have finished school yes
 
Tim
another guy from r15, not sure if you know him, also at the internship phase of his life, but he is like 7 or 8 not sure about the exact age
6
 
that is a great ego boost
 
hahaha
ah okay gotcha, you're a 93 baby?
for some reason I thought u were more than a year younger than me
 
8:43 PM
I do wonder these reasons. Since being 27 people are surprised at me being this age
Perhaps I have a babyface, or a more early 20's type of behaviour
 
it's not really your behaviour or looks for me, I guess for me I always associate going to uni/internships with a certain age
but yeah the baby face probably doesn't help ;) but it's just a delayed blessing
I have one too
you'll just look younger for ever, reap the benefits in the last half of your life
 
"the babyface" ok so that is confirmed now, cool
 
hahaha
imo you don't look young but you also don't look old which at 27 is good
you probably have the longevity gene
 
I tell people who underestimate my age to keep up with that when Im in my 30's
@ballBreaker longetivity?
@ballBreaker you do? from the looks of the photos I wouldn't say babyface but you look a bit younger at the right level
 
@MwBakker hahaha yeah exactly
Not as much anymore but I definitely used to if I don't anymore, people always through my life thought I was like 2-5 years younger than I was
 
8:54 PM
ah well we're on the same boat then.. or were I dk
so how are things with you guys?
Everything ok?
 
9:13 PM
I'm all good
today I legitimately had zero work
for the first time in a long time, just absolutely no emails to respond to, no user issues at all, was weird (my project stuff is on hold due to clients so nothing there either)
How about you
 
I was also free for today
So I did stuff in and around the house mostly
 
nice man
that's always a decent use of time
I've been sitting here listening to music and talking on r15 and doing random stuff
 
9:52 PM
aka useless use of time
 
adios y'all
have a boring rest of your evening o/
 
haha ciao dude
im out as well
 

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