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the main problem is that search sucks, so you are often tempted to select an approximate duplicate when you see a question which has been asked many times before but you can't locate the duplicate you actually know exists
 
Kind of. It's not that I think there has been any abuse, but I also feel that it would be hard to spot if there were. I don't have much evidence for that, but one thing I've noticed is that users are much less likely to dispute closures when it's done by a hammer.
As to the self-correcting aspect, sure, but that opens the door for close/reopen wars once lots of users have that power. At the moment, when hammers disagree on a closure, there's only a few of them involved, and it's quite civil. I fear it would be less so if many more users had that power.
 
and in a related fashion, there are so many simple but flabbergasting newbie false assumptions that sometimes you just have to link to a basic "this is what 'text file' means" or similar
 
@tripleee I solved that problem a long time ago by not even attempting to use the site search.
@cigien ...Really?!
 
ditto, but Google and friends often don't work very well either, especially when you want to find a probably downvoted but still relevant "this same question was asked in 2008 and about 1000 times since then"
 
5:04 AM
@CodyGray No, I don't mean abuse in a selfish way. But there are other issues. Take for example the debugger target, I've found many posts that were closed with that target, where the OP deleted the post in a few minutes. In some cases, those posts could have been edited into shape. Not sure if abuse is the right term for that, but I think it's a problem.
 
Ah, that's true.
Those cases would fly under the radar unless someone got angry enough to let a moderator or staff know.
And I do think that's an unfortunate misuse of the feature, although I wouldn't go so far as to call it "abuse".
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I think so. As a mod, haven't you noticed that users are less likely to dispute one of your actions? It's a similar thing with hammers.
 
@cigien Actually, no. My impression has been the opposite. People seem less likely to dispute a consensus of 3-5 votes than they are to dispute a single-handed action. It is easier to direct anger towards a single person, assuming they didn't understand the question, don't know what they're doing, etc.
Oh, bringing us back to an earlier conversation, I did recently have some success in persuading a CM to persuade internal company decision-makers to hide the names of close-voters from those without close-vote privileges.
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@CodyGray Hmm, that's fair, I didn't think of it that way.
 
I think that's a very positive change that lets people (especially new users who are less familiar with the culture and workings of the site) focus more on the reasons for why the question was closed, rather than the individuals who happened to cause it in a particular instance.
When the site just says it matter-of-factly, that's altogether different from when it says "these 3 people hated your stuff".
 
5:08 AM
Oh, that's great :) I mean the actual change as well, but more that you can affect policy.
 
Naturally, the original intention of listing the close voters was for accountability, and I'm still a huge proponent of accountability. But the close-voters need to be accountable to other users with close-vote privileges (and, of course, moderators); not necessarily to the person who asked the question.
Yeah. Sometimes, even in this day and age, logical arguments can have an effect.
 
@CodyGray There might still be hope for us all ;)
To add to that idea, could hiding the fact that a single user (a hammer) closed a post be hidden as well? So the OP doesn't even know that, assuming of course the OP doesn't have CV privileges themselves?
 
Indeed. And it only took about 5 years, but my other soapbox (this one shared by far more than just me) is finally looking like it can be retired, in light of the recent changes to the review queue options.
@cigien I... think it already is?
You just didn't notice because you have full close-vote privileges, so you see the actual details about who was involved in the closure.
 
@CodyGray Hmm, I don't think so. I feel like I remember OPs with no privileges whatsoever pinging me about a closure. I could be misremembering though.
 
Oh, the 10k tools has been changed. Now with more reason headings.
So... back to our discussion: consider this. Doug Stevenson single-handedly closed this, using his gold badge privileges, as a duplicate. But if you open it in a private browsing window, you don't see his name anywhere as the close-voter. You just see the list of dupe targets. That's the same thing that the asker (apaul) would see.
If you view it with your privileges, then you'd, of course, see Doug's name because you are assumed to understand how close-voting works and thus are one of the people that would be expected to hold Doug accountable for boneheaded closures.
 
5:17 AM
Oh, absolutely right. I can't see that if I'm not logged in. That's a nice feature.
 
It's all part of the same feature. :-)
 
Right. BTW, may I say, you have an ... interesting style. I take it Doug would not be offended if they read this transcript? :p
 
Hmm? What's interesting about it? And why would he be offended?
I literally picked a random question out of the list that was recently closed by a gold tag badge holder. That's why I had occasion to visit the 10k tools page, which I hadn't seen in quite some time. I wasn't saying that I disagreed with the closure. I honestly didn't even read the question. Even if I had, that's not my subject matter expertise, so I really couldn't reach that conclusion anyway.
 
@CodyGray Ok, interesting is vague. How about forthright? One could even consider it bordering on abrasive. I don't personally have any issue with it, it's just not my style.
@CodyGray Not explicitly no, but you did say boneheaded :p
 
Oh. Yes, I have been called abrasive before. But... this isn't an example of that. Not by longshot.
Ah, the "boneheaded" was a hypothetical.
"If he were to engage in any boneheaded closures, then you and others with close-vote privileges would be the ones to hold him accountable."
 
5:25 AM
Haha, now I'm itching to get a taste of what you sound like when you mean to be abrasive :)
 
Heh.
There are people around here who know...
 
@CodyGray Aah, yes, now that is unambiguously a hypothetical, and can't cause offense :)
@CodyGray I've heard rumors ;)
 
Mostly (and I don't mean this to sound like a humble-brag), I struggle with the fact that I'm a relatively good writer, and some of the nuances aren't clear to non-native speakers.
To me, the way I phrased it originally was unambiguously a hypothetical.
 
I don't disagree. But I'm used to accounting for how others are likely to interpret what I say. I grew up surrounded by non-native English speakers, and I'm overly verbose by nature, so I've had some practice trying to be clear. It's hard, I certainly empathize.
 
Yeah, compounded by the fact that I play linguistic games for humor...
I spent a very long time surrounded by very smart people who were all native English speakers. Breaking habits is hard.
I no longer work in such a place, and it's a struggle.
 
5:35 AM
This explains in part why you find correct pronunciation so important for communication.
To be fair, I'm a pedant myself, and a "grammar Nazi", though I find the term itself unfortunate.
 
That and pedantry.... Yup.
Yeah, grammar and other corrections are not things that I do out of a sense of superiority. I assume that everyone is constantly trying to improve.
I mean, most all the context you need is provided by the fact that I am a C++ programmer. I do not think it's weird when a compiler barks at me for a misplaced semicolon.
 
It's slightly unfortunate that our first interaction was a disagreement over the value of pronunciation in programming. Because other than that you appear to be a very smart person ;)
 
Haha
Most people around here have disagreed with me at least once. Most of them (I think) also think I am a very smart person.
Occupational hazards of being opinionated.
 
For sure. And I've always maintained that you can't really have constructive conversations with someone unless you disagree occasionally.
 
Some context for my thoughts on pronunciation questions: I think too many people try too hard to turn Stack Overflow into a "debug my code" platform. While it certainly can be used for that, I feel strongly that these are the least interesting and least generally-useful types of questions that exist.
@SurajRao Thanks; handled.
Fortunately, what SD caught was a clear TP. The subsequent edit is just proof that a sternly-worded comment from a moderator isn't always enough.
 
5:43 AM
I see that point. I'm certainly not a fan of exclusively having debugging questions, though there are interesting questions of that nature as well. On the other hand, I fear pronunciation is taking things too far in the other direction.
 
Why? Seriously. What harm is it causing to allow these questions?
Are you actually seeing that some of them turn into a cesspool of opinions and low-quality responses?
I haven't reviewed your big list; I've only looked at that one question about SQLite, and that just...isn't a good example of a bad example.
 
Await my meta answer, hopefully that addresses those questions, and some more. I was going to post it tonight, but you're a fun conversationalist, and really helpful with answering my questions, so I got distracted :( I'll probably finish it in the morning.
 
Okay
I ask because, sometimes questions that seem reasonable in the abstract just turn out not to work well in practice. For example, resource recommendation questions. These seem like they are relevant to programming and of great practical value to programmers, so we wanted to allow them. But we tried it, and it just didn't work well, so we had to change the rules and forbid them.
I didn't know if maybe that's what was happening with these pronunciation questions. It's not something I've ever seen anyone complain about before, though.
To me, the cardinal rules for SE sites is that the question needs to be reasonably scoped so that it can be answered, and it needs to be objectively (verifiably) answerable.
In the abstract, pronunciation questions do not seem to violate either of these tenets.
 
6:02 AM
For context, I stumbled across this when I was looking for a RAII dupe. That led me to do the search, and I found many posts that were off-topic. Note that I'm relatively new to SO, and I'm a bit of an idealist, but those questions seem to be unsuitable for SO.
Frankly, I'm surprised that no one has brought this up before, but maybe because it's not a problem on the scale of Software Recommendations. Having a close reason for pronunciations would be silly, for example. But yes, I do think that in the abstract, pronunciation related questions are not reasonably scoped, in that they can't be objectively, verifiably answered.
fwiw, even ELU thinks that question is opinion based.
 
Yeah. I don't know why that question about RAII needed to be deleted.
Some of those answers are crap.
OK.
Yeah, that whole Q&A was crap. There wasn't anything redeeming in there.
But I don't think you can make a general rule based on one crap Q&A.
 
Well, that's not fair, I'm not basing it on just that question. It's just the question that led me to the search. I'm basing it on the list I compiled in the pronunciations meta answer. In fact, I would appreciate it, if you have the time and interest, if you could review that list. I sincerely think that to some extent they all suffer from similar problems to the RAII post.
 
Yeah, I should look at them. I'm just worried that if I do, I'll end up undeleting half of them, which is going to make a lot of people very upset.
I supported maintaining that Q&A. Some folks may have never forgiven me. :-)
 
I will personally be disappointed if you do that, yes. However, I would still appreciate a review, especially from someone who disagrees in the abstract. I don't mind you voting to undelete even, but I would ask you not to use your mod powers to unilaterally undelete them. That will make the users who voted to delete feel bad.
 
Mods can't not use their mod powers.
Everything we do is binding. Just like when you have a gold tag badge, and you vote to close as a duplicate: it's immediately binding. There's no way for you to cast a "regular" close vote.
(Wah, wah, I'm a mod, and I have too many privileges!)
 
6:13 AM
Oh, I see. Well, in that case just don't act on them when reviewing. I'm sure you can restrain yourself if you choose to do so. And if I'm convinced by your argument, I promise to make a meta post asking for undelete votes to be cast on the valuable subset, and I'll cast my own undelete votes as well.
Thanks for that meta link, that's very useful context indeed. I'll have to spend some time reading that.
 
To be fair, in that case, I was just convinced that it wasn't "primarily opinion-based", not that it was necessarily on-topic.
And then, once it had received the answer that it had, I was just opposed to deleting it (preferring instead a historical lock or something of that nature, which would preserve it without indicating that it was an acceptable question for SO).
(At some point, the word "primarily" got lost from the "opinion-based" close reason, and I think that was a huge regression.)
 
You're referring to the libCurl post? Yeah, it's off-topic, the nice answer notwithstanding. Doesn't a historical lock on a post that recent send the wrong message though?
 
What wrong message?
Oh, you mean it can't be historical because it's not recent?
Yeah, "historical" is really the wrong word for the lock. It's more of a, "This doesn't meet our guidelines, but snuck in anyway and ended up not being crap despite itself, so we're gonna keep it around" lock.
 
Yeah, exactly. Is that not part of the reason?
Oh, I thought it was for posts that used t be on-topic but aren't any longer.
 
Yeah, that was the original use. More context: it got added to the site as a mod feature quite a while back because of another big debate that somewhat resembles this one. Remember when I said that we were forced to come to the conclusion, based on experience, that certain types of questions (like recommendation questions) just don't work? Well, we had been allowing them for years. Some of them had even succeeded, getting good answers, and were linked from zillions of places on the Internet.
But now that we'd decided they were off-topic, there was a group of people who argued that these old questions needed to be deleted, since they were, by the current site standards, off-topic, and off-topic questions should be closed and deleted.
And, of course, there were others who said that we should not shoot ourselves in the foot in such a way. (Well, you can guess which side I was on.)
So that's basically how the lock came to be, as a super half-assed compromise for posts that broke the rules but really (in the eyes of some) deserved to stay around anyway.
A lot of closing questions is attempting to predict the future. We are closing this question because experience shows us that questions where x is true just don't turn out well. We don't know if this one might be the exception, but odds are it won't be, so we're closing it in order to maintain our quality standards.
But what do you do about the questions that missed getting closed (and/or where the rules changed) and succeeded in spite of themselves? Do you delete them anyway, out of a slavish adherence to the rules? Do you delete them anyway, with regret, out of a fear that they might serve as broken windows? Do you keep them, with some kind of warning/annotation that they are self-contradictions?
 
6:29 AM
Well, that's unfortunate. And the FAQ on this mentions none of the history. Perhaps there should be different kinds of locks or something. I don't know, I'll have to give this a lot more thought. I kind of see now why I'm more in the shoot myself in the foot camp, as you put it. I'm new to the site, so I see old posts as simply being inappropriate, without considering their history (external links for example, are not something I'd ever considered).
 
It's easy when there's nothing of value in there.
But it gets trickier when we mispredicted the future, and the resulting Q&A ended up having some sort of redeeming value.
 
I am definitely in favor of the broken windows argument. I've personally had to explain to a couple of posters why their question was closed, even though, as they rightly point out, there are very similar questions that are open.
 
And, of course, being a programmer, you well know that naming things is hard, so while "historical lock" might not be the best name, it's what we have, and I don't have any better ideas.
Yeah, totally agreed. That's why we needed the "historical lock" or some kind of official mechanism to set these apart, if we did choose to keep them.
But it's a giant hack.
 
(Sorry to barge into a conversation) Are Natty reporter and Advanced flagging working? My feedback isn't going to SOBotics and I am getting an alert saying "Error while reporting: "...
 
No worries about barging in. Unfortunately, I'm not the right person to ask about that.
 
6:33 AM
Okay.. Thank you!
 
How about "giant hack lock"? ;) But yeah, this is a considerably harder to problem to solve than I had initially thought. As are many of the problems that I've come across on this site. It's almost as if a bunch of smart people have thought about these things before, and solved all the easy problems already :p
 
Hahaha
Yeah, it's a lot like that.
With a bunch of smart people on both sides, having argued it out contentiously over the years.
 
Well, this is a lot of food for thought. I'm going to retire for the night, but I hope you'll be around in this room more, this is fun.
 
I do enjoy it also. This site has been my obsession for many years.
 
It is very addictive, no doubt about that.
K, good night :)
 
6:40 AM
Goodnight to you as well!
 
@tripleee I looked at the SmokeDetector source. Is it a matter of policy some of the modules don't have docstrings?
 
@CodyGray Good night Cody.
 
This is not an answer but a new question, isn't it?
 
@JeanneDark Agreed
 
Yeah, you got that NAA flag in just in time :-)
 
:) Doesn't always happen
 
7:10 AM
@bad_coder nope, just organically grown code ... there are many things we should fix organizationally and stylistically but refactoring is not a high priority
 
@CodyGray Glad that you are stopping by! You've been missed by many!
 
@JeanneDark Questions weren't getting hammered fast enough? ;-)
 
That was one of the reasons ;)
 
I see you have also decided to answer a question or two, thus earning a tiny bit more rep. Any chances of that continuing?
 
@CodyGray I don't know yet. At least I have now access to a few review queues so I review a bit as long as I can. It's so much easier to find flaggable than answerable questions.
 
7:56 AM
I've seen homework questions before, now I've seen a homework answer...
 
8:09 AM
@cigien review-pls request are allowed and if you're not involved you could share it, technically speaking. But if sharing it makes this room not only look like a voting mob but turn into one then I assume you can make the right decision. /cc @bad_coder
 
8:28 AM
Just had a low-rep user (but has been registered for years) suggest an edit of my answer that changed my working hyperlink to another site.
The change, on the surface, looks appropriate but didn't improve anything. Another reviewer and I both rejected. Upon closer inspection, there is a smell of self-promotion.
The page referenced in the suggested edit was edited on the external site mere minutes before by "Admin". "Admin" was created 13 days ago. Now, I would like to keep watch for more of these edits.
Am I able to see pending suggested edits in the All Actions section of the user's profile page?
 
Zoe
Yes
Specifically under suggestions if you want a more focused view
 
8:52 AM
This is strange. I came across it in LA and flagged as NAA but noticed the upvote. Then I had a look at the question and it's full of such new answers.
Looks like I'm not the only one puzzled: How to handle many answer that have the “same problem” was just posted on MSO.
(btw. answer now deleted and question is also an actual question)
 
@JeanneDark Bhargav deleted two recent NAA posts here but mysteriously left several more still
 
Had they been flagged yet?
 
Zoe
I flagged one of them
Just protected the post for good measure
 
Two others vanished
 
@JeanneDark wow that's remarkable! I've never seen a flood of NAAs like that.
 
Zoe
9:03 AM
And several of them have upvotes
 
I wonder if the question is suitable at all, if this is some jcenter-internal problem
 
@JeanneDark We need to find you some more rep points so that deleted posts don't "vanish" for you.
 
@JeanneDark I flagged all of them; they are all deleted now
 
Zoe
Something is wrong
 
@mickmackusa Nah, that's fine. As long as they are gone and my flags marked helpful :)
 
Zoe
9:05 AM
rep loss/gain on deleted posts hasn't been calculated in the past two hours
 
give it 6 to 8 hours
 
Zoe
I have -22 rep today, 20 of which should've been refunded by now
The post Jeanne pointed out has a +1 that hasn't been reverted either
 
A failing rep calc batch job is not something the on-call SRE will be notified of.
He will not wake-up to go fix your rep.
 
Zoe
Too bad we deleted all the answers on that xd
 
9:36 AM
@Adriaan can't see any comments, I guess they were deleted?
 
@tripleee "Thank you, exactly what I needed". I guess someone flagged it and it auto-deleted
 
my guess is that that one is not actually spam
 
How do you folks typically CV questions such as this one?
 
@E_net4ishere custom - licensing
do we have a canonical for newbies typing the commands into the wrong window? stackoverflow.com/questions/64908952/…
 
@tripleee voted typo. If somebody googles python syntax error XOR unix shell error, this question will get in their way.
They'd have to google both for that question to have any chance of helping them, which won't happen.
 
10:00 AM
this is hopeless (especially with the current title) but I can't find a good duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/59729327/…
@JohnDvorak thanks, I finally found a duplicate (sopython.com had a canonical)
but already spent my close vote
 
Is there a way to tell a browser to not use a cookie on certain urls only on a site?
 
10:34 AM
 
Read the feedback on the closed question. You will only attract downvotes on both questions if you try to bend the rules, or continue to ignore them. — tripleee 6 mins ago
 
Is that accurate? I think there are more ways than one to attract downvotes :)
 
10:50 AM
@Scratte Ah, language.
 
R Language?
 
The English one.
 
@Scratte I think.. that is not possible with most browsers :(
 
Ah: our language.
 
@Scratte you may be able to get Firefox container tabs to do it somehow, but I'm far too tired to test it
I'm not certain if it allows that much granularity
assuming your goal is to be signed out on some URLs; it definitely doesn't support just not having cookies
 
10:57 AM
@RyanM Ahh.. OK. Thanks. I'm not using firefox at the moment. Yes. I'd like to not be signed in when I visit a review. I have 5 reputation points too many to be effective in NAA handling at the moment, so I figured maybe it would be better to find a fix than to keep trying to limit my reputation.
 
Did you see this post yet, @Scratte?
 
@RyanM Thanks :) I'll consider trying out firefox. Though my previous experience is that it's considerably slower than chrome and I've hard to kill it too when it goes into some weird kind of deadlocked state.
@AdrianMole Heh.. but I don't use dark mode :) I picked it on my system for other reasons than wanting dark, and I'm actively having to change every site I visit to light.
Not happy about the killing of my uncle though.. ;)
 
11:49 AM
It seems the SD report is NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/64910551
 
12:21 PM
@tripleee That's interesting...I wasn't expecting that.
@rene good ruling, thank you. Staying on the safe-side is best in such cases.
 
@bad_coder the project is heavily volunteer-driven, those of us who contribute regularly already understand the code (though I would not pretend to understand all parts of it) but you absolutely have a point; we should lower the barrier and clean it up some
 
This is NAA, isn't it? To me it seems to merely repeat the question.
 
@JeanneDark yeah, definitively NAA. The OP should have posted comment.
 
Autoflagged FP: flagged by @SmokeDetector, @DanielWiddis
 
Thanks!
 
12:36 PM
@tripleee Ok, thank you for explaining that. Who knows I might do a pull request one day, it seemed like the project could need some love and it felt like within my skill set.
 
@bad_coder you're more than welcome to help out, thanks! let me know if you want privileges in Charcoal or help with metasmoke or whatever
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman I fail to understand something in this cv-pls...You posted both on the duplicate and the duplicate target. So I'm not entirely sure if I should vote, and/or if FAQ #15 applies as "conflict of interest".
 
@bad_coder Can you check the next to next comment by me?
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman ohh sorry Praveen (and hello), I had not noticed that. @Makyen perhaps an RO can take notice please.
 
@bad_coder Hola! 😁
Yea, no ROs or @Makyen is online right now. :(
 
12:50 PM
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman it's ok no problem, next RO entering the room is sure to notice this exchange.
 
@tripleee Thanks that's good to know. I was struck by an urge to contribute and thought I'd ask since I noticed you were a contributor. But that's something for 2021...I have to familiarize myself with this set of projects in the meanwhile.
@desertnaut the link is wrong.
 
@bad_coder ooops... thanks!
 
@AlonEitan ok, wrong because problem statement should start the post (was moved to the bottom). Also, edit didn't fix typos nor remove thanks. (Not to mention it was on a closed post.)
 
Morning
 
1:04 PM
o/
 
'fternoon
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman cv-pls has been moved
 
@Vickel I'm a bit more forgiving with coders from Africa, I'll help them whenever I see a possibility.
 
@bad_coder but how can you answer the question?
 
1:27 PM
^ First result for typoed keyword "pythoon"
Which is probably why there's 1k views.
 
That question has no new activity and is 2 years 7 months old
 
Zoe
Also has a link-only answer
More efficient to have that deleted. The rest should roomba in a few days
better yet, it roombas tomorrow
 
 
@rene It wasn't really a review-pls request either. But I see your point about appearances. I'll bear that in mind for requests/messages of this nature, and make a judgement call in specific cases based on that.
@Michael Cheeky edit, but I agree that makes it on-topic. If you agree, as your comments suggest, could you trash the request?
 
@cigien Keeping up appearances
 
Are you Mrs. Bucket?
 
2:47 PM
@Catija :D
 
Waffles.
 
3:15 PM
@Catija It's Bouquet
 
Took long enough :P
 
@Catija Accurately expressing how I would pronounce this, would probably get me flagged ;)
 
Hyacinth is amazing. She's why I know the word "riparian".
 
@rene Hi! I'm curious, why is my request in dev/null?
 
I see. How did you ever properly communicate before knowing about that?
 
3:21 PM
Indeed!
I used it on Instagram just over the weekend.
 
2 hours ago, by Jeanne Dark
That question has no new activity and is 2 years 7 months old
see also following comments
 
Nice to see you here BTW. You are brightening my chat :)
 
You have a color override for people?
I have one that makes all mods green instead of blue but I like the bold.
 
@Catija Only some moderators. The default is green. It adds in the diamond too. Here's Samuel.
 
3:29 PM
That's cool! Is it on Stack Apps?
 
@AnnZen I think it's not his mistake, it's US mistake . Additional check box checked. Some time mouse miss behave :) . Hope I don't bothered him. // cc Rene
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@Catija No.. it's partly my own, inspired by Zoe. But as I'm not a JavaScript developer, it's probably in a questionable quality, since I'm just winging it.
 
@Catija Don't all CMs appear in chartreuse?
 
It's also just personal preference. I made Room Owners red and added a flower for rene.
 
That's really fun. :D The one I have is really short.
 
3:34 PM
@Shree Cool, so it wasn't a broken rule.
 
@AnnZen I think so. Rene give better answer for that. :)
 
@Michael I'm not into Java these days, but arguably it can be considered an IDE customization/feature question which is on-topic.
 
3:50 PM
The latest SD report is not spam obviously, but is it preferable for the answer to begin with the disclaimer?
 
@cigien It has it at the end so I'm okay with it
 
@cigien I don't think there's rule that says it has to be on top. I've even seen in an a smaller font. I'm not sure about the email though. I think maybe that should go on the profile.
 
@AnnZen that question hadn't been active the last 6 months when I visited it. In the FAQ it is stated we require cv-pls request to be on recent active questions where the cut-off is at 6 months. And that is already an insane timeframe. I happily ignore that Martijn deleted an answer today on that question. His action didn't change the active state for that question, so I'm still good.
 
cut-off is at 6 months. Ohhh its new rule ?
 
4:05 PM
@Shree See the FAQ
 
@Shree depends on when the last time was you checked the FAQ ;)
 
Thanks. I read and appreciate. Just request, they are off topic .
??
May we notification when last time we update ?
 
@Shree if a question hasn't been active in the last 6 months, a cv-pls is not allowed here in this room. The 6 month rule only goes for close requests, not for other type of requests. So del-pls or re-open-pls are fine for any post no matter how long ago they were last active.
 
@NathanOliver Ok, thanks.
@Scratte Good point about the email. I'll leave a comment.
 
@Shree you can watch the github repo: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/socvr-website-content and have yourself notified when something is done there. It isn't too heavily used so you wouldn't get a lot of notifications.
 
4:15 PM
@rene Thanks. Apricate your guide.
 
5:44 PM
@Shree We also usually post and pin a notice on the starboard here in SOCVR when there are significant changes to the FAQ. However, as rene has said, "watching" the GitHub repository is the way to get a notification of every change, and doesn't require that you visited SOCVR during the period when the notice was pinned on the starboard (usually 14 days).
 
6:19 PM
@bad_coder - I'm not a doctor or a biochemist, but think that to the liver alcohol is alcohol, no matter in which beverage it came along. It's probably more about the quantities than the drink, and I'm sure that if someone drank one of those 5l "boxes" a day they'd be seeing liver issues sooner rather than later ;)
 
Zoe
7:26 PM
@Nick Hey, don't bully my puns! >:C
 
@Zoe better than pulleying your buns ;)
 
7:59 PM
I am not sure how to act about this, focus?
 
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Given how outdated both those potential targets are, perhaps we should allow this one, and swing all those targets the other way. What do you think?
@πάνταῥεῖ Yeah, Kuhl's dupe is better. At least that target should be swung around then.
 
Is it possible to look up SOCVR requests pertaining to some specific question?
 
@cigien Hmm, I am a bit in conflict regarding the why in that question. Those dupes should be turned, yes.
 
@JohnDvorak Do you have an id?
 
@JohnDvorak We're on this one. Just out of band ;)
 
9:02 PM
Is this an answer?
 
@Scratte I'm interested in if SOCVR had something to do with the closure of this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/64870685/…
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I'm not too hung up on the why part, all 3 questions seem to be roughly the same quality. I'm not sure if the answers are the best at the moment.
 
@Scratte no, he is asking
 
@JohnDvorak Take the id, pop it in the search bar at the top right right and hit enter. Do the same in the graveyeard.
 
will do. Nothing in here... and nothing in graveyard
 
9:04 PM
@cigien I've switched the dupe targets in question now.
 
thanks
 
@John I misunderstood your message, forget about what I said recently.
 
@Ruli Yes, that's what I thought. I just wondered since it was "reviewed" 7 hours ago and it's still there. Did you flag it?
@Scratte "right right"? -> "right"
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Yeah, I think that's ok. It's not an ideal canonical still, but I'll drop a comment on the new post, and see if anyone wants to actually update the canonical.
 
@Scratte yes I did
 
9:08 PM
@cigien 👍
 
@Ruli Thanks :) I'm enjoying a round number for a few days ;)
 
9:30 PM
@rene please send my CV request to the bin: stackoverflow.com/questions/64919834/…, thanks, I've retracted my CV
 
Can a C++ hammer close this? It's a combination of 2 targets stackoverflow.com/questions/2697892 and stackoverflow.com/questions/1565600
 
@cigien Personally, in cases like that where there are a lot of dots to connect, I don't think it's a good idea to close as a dupe. Just post an answer, referencing those other two Q&A as appropriate.
I might change my tune on this if that was a total crap question, but it isn't.
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (upon request)
@mickmackusa If you find/found a pattern of such edits on the user's edit suggestion history, that's probably worth a mod flag.
:50970616 Better late than never!
 
9:48 PM
Wait..?!? Everybody missed you, but you missed Smokey?
 
@CodyGray I disagree, I don't think there are lots of dots to connect. Prior to the latest edit, the OP showed code with exactly 2 disparate error messages, and a canonical target exists for each.
To be frank, I wasn't sure this was a good idea either, so I asked it in chat. If you follow the transcript just a bit, you can see Makyen's confirmation that it is, and an explantion of why, of course. That's followed by a concrete example I shared, with Makyen taking action as I suggested. In this instance, the argument, as well as the targets are even more clear cut.
 
@Scratte Hmm? That was a joke about the answer that Smokey just flagged being posted in 2008. It hadn't been caught up until now, but it was really link a mess of links, so I deleted it.
 
@CodyGray Yes, I noticed :) I can joke too.. :O
 
I see.
No, I like Smokey. A solid flagger that isn't obsessed with flag weight and never complains about a declined flag. :-)
@cigien I'm not excluding the possibility that it would ever be appropriate, but I didn't think it was appropriate in that case. Granted, I looked only at the most recent edit; I didn't go back and read the edit history.
 
9:51 PM
Smokey is a bot!.. bots only complain when they segfault. I segfault on a declined flag.. maybe I'm a bot in reverse.
 
Oh... never mind. I did see it with the original revision.
Yeah, I think there are way too many dots to connect with those two duplicates.
And that's from the perspective of someone who instantly knew the answer just by reading the error message...
@Scratte All the disadvantages of a bot, plus all the disadvantages of a human?
 
@CodyGray Yes. It's a gift that gets me into trouble all the time ;)
 
@CodyGray I really don't know what you mean. Would you dispute a dupe closure with the second target given the OP's latest edit? If the question contained only the other error message, would you dispute a dupe closer with the first target? If both answers are in the negative, then the combination argument holds. It's not even as if fixing one error would fix the other.
 
@Scratte Hey! That's botist! I complain when I feel like it. :)
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@cigien Yes. First of all, "Why is this not allowed by the standard?" is a different question from "Why is this code not working?" And also, yes. Again, they're completely different questions. This Q&A tells one nothing about why there is an attempted conversion to int.
 

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