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mr5
2:08 AM
@ntohl hey, so I finally made my preferred syntax but I'm trying to solve an issue that's not supposed to be an issue :)
 
 
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5:44 AM
Buenos dias
 
6:18 AM
morning
 
GoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOd Mornin' neglecterinos!
Buenos noches @Squirrelkiller
 
@Squirrelintraining Unless you changed your apartment's layout there not much space there so...Eagle?
@Squirrelintraining *Buenas noches
Did you not go to bed last night or what
 
@Squirrelkiller Simon
I did
And I did it good!
 
@Squirrelintraining "Buenas noches" means "good nite"
 
6:40 AM
@Squirrelintraining Wait which one, I know too many Simons
 
@Cleptus Night*
@Squirrelkiller The guy who left you
 
Wait seriously, the dude who just left our team?!
 
6:44 AM
Greetings lol
 
He says Hi aswell :D
 
Good mornin' \o
 
SO when are you comin gto us killrino?
Moin Roel o/
 
He told us he was gonna go work in the same neighbourhood as you, but the chance it would actually be the same company was pretty slim :D
 
:D
AFAIK he told you where he's going to land
 
6:45 AM
Why is this mystery Simon not in SO chat, huh, HUH?! It's now your obligation to join in. You readin' this Simon?!
 
He's not a C# dev
 
Neither am I!
 
He was a QA tester in our team and like a bit of scrum master and project owner
 
@Squirrelkiller Yes, he landed in DevOps (a new thing we are tyring out apparenlty)
 
So basically what I'm doing in my team :D
 
6:48 AM
Maybe :D
 
Thought he wanted to go more in the direction of IT admin though
 
He's not part of the Development Team
The new DevOps thingy is for non-development thingy.
No Idea though.
@Squirrelkiller Yeah he told me that 2
 
A well ok Devops is "more admin" than dev
So what's your new DevOps team doing? Cloud-IT? private cloud?
DevOps is always hard to narrow down for me
 
@Squirrelkiller No idea :shrug:
You know we got our own cloud right?
And our customers get Hardware from us and work on our servers if they wish.
 
Private Cloud it is!
 
6:53 AM
Ya we our own boss!
 
7:28 AM
Do you offer cloud services for private people too?
 
No idea.
Define cloud service pl0x
 
Let people host their webapp
 
I don't think so
I think we are more B2B types that do they IT stuff for the Bs
 
Morning
 
Oh no, lee's here, run!
 
7:36 AM
:)
 
8:11 AM
Morning Lee, you nasty brit
 
I'm not nasty!
uisuallyt
Just when stuff is cocking up
Which is often
 
He's salty
 
:-P
 
8:35 AM
Oh my gawd
Microsoft actually did it!
I'm so hyped!
They actually managed to make the KI of Intellicode Even more dumb!
 
USA-Spain-Philippines-Germany-UK covid19 death per capita comparison Spain is kinda stable, but the numbers are high and those motherfucker politicians voted agains continuing confinement
 
@Squirrelintraining I was thinking 'That's some old-school shit'. Published: 2011. Oh.
 
And now they cry because tourism to Spain is not adviced. You dumb asses, check the numbers, do more tests, do contact tracing!
 
Tourism to anywhere is not advised. Stay the fuck at home, people.
 
8:48 AM
I think I am not missing any country of the regulars in this chat
That website is awesome, just type the country, remember the per-capita check and boom
 
Cumalative is a bad view tho.
 
USA looks still rising sharply, damn
 
Forgot to add Israel, there was one dude from there right?
 
Avner, source of the Avnerium, beholder of wisdom
Also now part of Google
 
@Hozuki Is the only that allow per-capita sadly
 
9:00 AM
Pretty sure all views support per-capita?
 
If they do, I fail to get the data 😅
 
@Cleptus you left me (Hungary) out
 
Didnt know where you were from
 
Rise and Shine everyone. It looks like we're all in the same time zone.
Can anyone chime in with this behavior I'm seeing when I run the following LINQ query:
var startingDeck =
                        (from s in Suits().LogQuery("Suit Generation")
                         from r in Ranks().LogQuery("Rank Generation")
                         select new {Suit = s,
                                     Rank = r}).LogQuery("Starting Deck");
I'm getting the following output:
Executing Query Suit Generation
Executing Query Starting Deck
And I don't know why?
Someone explained to me that "Executing Query Starting Deck" is logged because the whole query expression evaluates to an IEnumerable<'a>.
That's what that log line shows (I think).
However I don't get why "Executing Query Suit Generation" is logged when LINQ queries are lazily executed?
And I also don't get why ""Rank Generation" is not logged?
 
9:17 AM
You log what query that subselect would execute, not an actual execution
No idea the difference between Suits and Ranks behavior
 
@Cleptus I don't know what subselect is? Can you explain please?
@Cleptus What query would subselect execute in this example?
 
a select of a subset of data
 
xD
It's still great
 
9:29 AM
OH GOD
MY DARK THEME ISN'T WORKING
EVERYTHING IS LIGHT
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
oh thank god for that
 
xaxaxa
Looser
 
Now you see the light!
@CaptainSquirrel Lest quote Monthy Python. "Always look on the bright side of life!"
 
@Cleptus NEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
 
9:53 AM
Fucking users man
And by Users I mean customers and Amazon
Together, an unstoppable torrent of shit
@CaptainSquirrel lol all of my dark themes are working. The only thing I'm getting blinded by is DotTrace
WHY DOESNT JETBRAINS' PERFORMANCE TOOLS HAVE DARK THEMES
 
 
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11:17 AM
!~shiba
 
take cover !
 
got a membership to Macintosh Repository yesterday..wew their servers suck
direct download keeps 404-ing on me and the ftp keeps breaking
btw
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first comment is like "BRUHhh why you using such an old macheene??"
 
11:34 AM
Yaakov Ellis on August 20, 2020
Here at Stack Overflow, we recently held our first Community-a-thon event. We wanted our employees to learn more about the SE network and how it feels to use it so they can get a better sense of what it’s like to be a user here.
 
no
jack?!?
do your job ffs
 
so uh....Mac OS 11 is finally happening apparently
 
boi u slow
 
are college kids still using macbooks? I was a techie, so most people used Windows
it seems to me like once they got rid of the glowing apple on the back, kids stopped buying them
 
11:46 AM
in malaysia, gaming laptop and fancy super slim designer book are still majority
they are cool er and looks better than macbook
 
what brands? Asus and Razer?
 
msi are hot, asus are cheap compared to spec and.... nobody here would buy razer
 
what's wrong with razer?
 
there is nothing wrong.... but they dont like it
 
Jack is a lazy pirate
 
11:52 AM
he does what he wants cause a pirate is free
 
12:15 PM
@Freerey [citation needed]
 
macOS Big Sur (version 11.0) is the next major release of macOS, Apple Inc.'s operating system for Macintosh computers. It is the successor to macOS Catalina (version 10.15) and was announced at Apple’s Worldwide Developers Conference on June 22, 2020, with official public release scheduled for later in 2020. It is named after the coastal region of Big Sur in the Central Coast of California. macOS Big Sur features a major user interface redesign, and is designed to take advantage of Apple-designed ARM processors in future Macs. On those ARM-based Macs, it will support running iOS and iPadOS apps...
 
I don't believe after 15(?) years they're finally making a major version number incrememnt
 
well believe it :)
 
> In a symbolic gesture accompanying Apple's transition of the Mac lineup to their own in-house Apple-designed processors,[6] the operating system's major version number has been incremented from 10 to 11 for the first time since the release of the Mac OS X Public Beta in 2000, making the new release version number 11.0 rather than 10.16.[7]
Huh
 
by that logic, they should've gone to Mac OS 11 when they adopted Intel processors :P
 
12:23 PM
Yeah that's whjat I thought
 
AAA
12:58 PM
What is the best way to avoid an argument out of range exception, and return string.Empty on this method instead?
public static string GetPart(this string s, string start, string end)
{
    return s[(s.IndexOf(start) + start.Length)..s.IndexOf(end)];
}
 
omg the most recent VS preview is garbage
Ensure the argument is in range.
 
AAA
no shit
:P
 
There is a reason my name is what it is
 
1:13 PM
public static string GetPart(this string s, string start, string end)
{
    if (!(start >= s. Length && start <= s.Length) || !(end >= s.Length && end <= s.Length)) {
        return string.Empty;
}
    return s[(s.IndexOf(start) + start.Length)..s.IndexOf(end)];
}
 
^^ not all code paths return a value... but they do now :)
 
I haven't tried that code in an IDE but it should do what you want.
start and end are indexes, right?
 
No, look at the params
 
@CaptainObvious Oh damn, oops
scratch that
 
Wait .... why you reimplement substring ??
SafeSubstring ?
 
1:20 PM
if (!(start >= 0 && start <= s.Length - 1) || !(end >= 0 && end <= s.Length - 1))
 
AAA
should this method even have safety built in? Or should I ensure its going to pass before calling it?
ie: check the arguments before calling GetPart
 
Interesting, what does the .. before the s in the return statement do?
 
AAA
Its C# 8
shorthand
 
Is ..() different to calling a method using .()?
 
AAA
its just a range operator
for indexing
 
1:28 PM
Ok, cool. I'm not sure how that works.
@AAA Back to this. What you're asking is more complicated than I originally thought.
 
AAA
It allows you to specify the start and end of a range as its operands @MyWrathAcademia
and how so? because its dependent of if the string contains the parts?
 
Why not just use a try catch?
 
AAA
I am atm, its just I was asking for a better way because try and catch can be expensive.
 
I see, you can probably use conditional statements instead of a try-catch, but it will need some thinking.
 
Hello, I have a quick question. Does anyone know if Listview.SelectedIndicies always return sorted list? or should I be sure and sort if myself?
 
1:33 PM
I think it returns them in the order they were selected
 
I'll try
 
@AAA Interesting, I remember something similar in Python.
 
@Freerey I'm using a MacBook. Not exactly a college kid but hey.
 
Nope, I selected 10-15-5 and when I did listview.SelectedIndicies I got 5-10-15
 
(It's not like I have any choice in the matter)
 
1:35 PM
so I think I can assume it always return sorted list
 
@Hozuki You should be ecstatic.
I switched to a MacBook and I'm never going back.
 
Pfft it's a bloody awful device.
 
@Hozuki Why?
 
It's okay~ish but the developer experience is fucking terrible.
 
@Hozuki I hated Apple as a college kid lmao
cause like "bruh you can't fix it if something goes wrong"
I realized over the years that trying to fix a laptop these days is kind a joke anyway....ffs now I have a Surface and those things are basically screwed if one thing goes wrong
 
1:36 PM
@Hozuki I admit, Safari's developer tools are really bad but I use chrome mostly.
@Hozuki What other tools are lacking?
 
I still hate Apple... but I must admit that for non-techies, it works well. If you stay in the walled garden and never dare look outside... it's a nice environment.
@MyWrathAcademia Um, all of them.
 
I'd use a mac to write in bed and browse the web, but nothing else
 
@Hozuki I avoided apple until I had to work with a MacBook.
 
I'm a bit hesitant to get a new one, though -- not cause of pricing, but cause they don't even have proper cooling these days
 
XCode is fucking terrible. Their code deployment is terrible. iOS is a fucking developers joke. Installation files are terrible. Code signing is terrible. The Mac Store is a joke. All external tools are so-so.
 
1:38 PM
I think apples user experience is unrivalled
May be that's because I came from a Fedora Linux Dell
And getting things to work out of the box, needed work.
 
That's your problem. The job of the OS UX is to get out of the way. Windows is fine, Mac is fine, most Linux are fine. They get out of the way.
What makes or breaks the OS is tools. For power users, that is.
For consumers... it's having something you can't butcher.
Aka get an iPad.
I have no gripes with Mac UX. Just the tooling I need for my development job.
 
@Hozuki I see, I don't really use apple's developer tools. Are they open source?
 
@MyWrathAcademia Of course not.
 
Just checking.
 
Look, if you have to work with XCode in any shape or form, you'll hate it.
Even Apple fanboys can't deny how shit XCode is.
 
1:41 PM
After all Microsoft has embraced open source
 
Visual Studio for Mac makes it bearable to write code on Mac, for me.
Even if VS for Mac is pretty shit compared to Windows VS.
 
@Hozuki I'm using Visual studio Mac right now.
Never tried it on windows.
 
PFFT
Windows VS is far, far, far, far, FAAAAAAR superior to VS Mac.
It's not even comparable.
It's like Rider but better. And Rider is undoubtedly MUCH better than Mac VS.
 
Atleast Mac has visual studio. If I wanted to write C# on my linux it might be hard finding a decent ide.
@Hozuki Rider is the ide developed by JetBrains, I still have to try that one out.
 
@MyWrathAcademia VSCode is pretty decent. Rider works on Linux too AFAIK.
 
1:47 PM
@Hozuki I'm guessing the reason you use xcode is that it is the only way to develop MacOS and IOS applications?
 
Yeah other than Xamarin with VS for Mac. But make no mistake, VS for Mac uses XCode command line tools.
Whenever Apple decides to throw you under the bus, again, VS for Mac will break too.
And then MS has to scramble and make emergency repairs because fucking Apple did a boo boo again.
 
What languages does xcode support?
 
I only used Objective C and Swift.
 
Fucking useless 16.8 p1 can't publish asp core apps
Aaaaaaa I wish you could downgrade previews
 
Aah, xcode seems specifically for apple.
@Hozuki since you have visual studio for Mac. Have you experienced any performance issues after recent updates?
 
1:55 PM
I haven't used it very recently, so no idea yet.
 
I found an image that will make children cry
did anyone use that beta back in 2015? goooood times....
 
Children? Dare you suggest we ever grew up?
 
so you're crying right now?
 
@Hozuki The May/June updates degraded debugging.
 
@Freerey I'm always crying.
@MyWrathAcademia Haven't any notable issues.
 
2:01 PM
@Hozuki You know how in the past you could use the debugger to view elements in a collection and it would load the elements 10 at a time?
Well after recent updates trying to use the debugger to view a collection tries to load all elements at once.
Because of this, visual studio keeps crashing when I try to inspect collections of thousands of elements.
You can easily test this. Create a list and populate it with 1000 values. Then set a break point at the list and view the elements using the debugger. I guarantee vs will crash.
 
Sounds like you should use real visual studio instead
 
@CaptainObvious haha, windows visual studio?
 
Well VS for mac isn't Visual Studio
VS for mac is as much VS as IE for mac was IE
IE (pun not intended) not at all
 
Jup. VS for Mac is actually MonoDevelop rebranded.
 
2:16 PM
What? But doesn't Microsoft also develop VS for Mac?
 
Not really. It was an open-source product, MonoDevelop. Then Xamarin came around and rebranded it Xamarin Studio and continued working on it. And later when Xamarin became part of Microsoft, they rebranded again to VS for Mac.
It's not a "real" Visual Studio at all.
Hence why I point out that VS on Windows is so, so, soooo much better.
 
tsk, tsk, tsk.
I'll get a chance to try Visual Studio Windows on a VM soon. I'll see what's up.
Does VS for windows also require a project to have a solution file?
It's annoying when you create a project using Visual Studio Code but can't open it in Visual Studio because there is no solution file.
What's the idea behind solution files anyway?
Is it just to force users to stay with VS?
 
No, VS on Windows can open folders just fine.
Solution files are for MSBuild.
 
@Hozuki That's good.
@Hozuki So how does visual studio code get away with not having solution files?
 
It doesn't use MSBuild :3
Actually, I think it does for C#, but there is a way now to have conventions rather than explicit config.
That's what's used in all cases.
 
2:31 PM
I like VS Code's approach better.
Overall I like VS Code a lot, it's just that it is not as intelligent as VS for Mac.
@Wietbot eval(1+1)
 
I don't know this command, did you mean any of the following? evaljs
 
3:02 PM
Did Visual Studio just change how the Source Control works? I just updated and now I can find Commit in the menus.
 
You found Commit in the menus?
I mean, it's just normal to find commit in some menu, right?
 
can*'t*
 
In that case, I'm not sure in which menu you would expect it. I usually go through Team Explorer.
 
Usually it's right there when I right-click the solution if there are any changes to be committed.
Yeah, it's there in Team Explorer.
 
4:08 PM
@MyWrathAcademia try evalnode or something
or evalcsharp
 

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