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3:02 PM
Lews, for ASP.NET MVC, try pluralsight. It is free.
 
@KendallFrey Love that vid.
 
@kush thanks
 
@LewsTherin You're very welcome. See if this link works for you. It might take a while to load pluralsight.com/training/Courses/TableOfContents/…
 
Yes, it works. Thanks. Looks like it is exactly what I need :P
"Servers are computers or processes that manage network resources"
That's a quote from a tutorial on client server model
Why not just say
 
@LewsTherin Looks like I have gained my Karma for the day now only if I could figure out this redirect bug
 
3:06 PM
Servers are computers that run processes????
 
@LewsTherin sounds like a "you don't say" moment
 
servers are computer or processes
 
@kush What redirect bug?
@HansZ How is a server a process?
 
Servers are things that do things with things. Networks.
 
Not all servers are physical machines.
 
3:07 PM
@LewsTherin do you use VNC?
 
Like Visual studio "server"
 
There are two kinds of servers. A server machine generally hosts server processes.
 
@HansZ Noob question, but what's that? :(
 
it's a remote desktop-y software
 
Remote desktop connection variant?
 
3:08 PM
You can run server processes on 'normal' computers, and you can play games on server computers.
 
yeah a server process is something that sits on a couple of socket ports and deals with clients trying to connect
like an apache server is a computer running the "Apache Server" process
 
Server computers are just machines dedicated to running server processes.
 
and a sql server is a computer running the sql server process
 
SQL Server is a server process.
 
VLC is actually a server/client application
 
3:09 PM
Mfuck already..
 
VLC writes video output as a stream to one of your ports and then reads it back from the port
 
So a server computer is just a (if you are lucky) beast of a machine that runs server processes.
 
anything that runs server processes can be called a server
if you're running a vnc server process on your laptop
then your laptop is a vnc server
dedicated servers are what you probably think "server" means
dedicated servers are machines that only run server processes
also computers running server processes are sometimes virtual
so some computers are processes
 
@HansZ yup
 
So what is a server process.. just a program/socket listening for connections?
 
3:13 PM
Yes.
 
@LewsTherin that is the simplest version of a server, yes
hopefully it also does stuff with the connections
and sends/receives data according to some protocol
 
That's cool enough. Thanks
 
3:27 PM
:)
 
Low level stuff like that confuses the hell out me :'( I need help ha ha
You'd think MVC 4 installer would install Framework 4.5 automatacilly
 
(:
 
=8-D
 
what the f. you pervert
 
Noooo.
You're the pervert.
= Hair 8 glasses - nose D mouth
 
3:38 PM
I'm sorry Kendall, but that smiley is super offensive
 
ohhh
 
we're gonna have to flag that
 
okay
 
(E]:{D -Itsa me!
 
I totally did not see that before. :(
But if I wanted to be perverted, I could make a better one than that.
 
3:40 PM
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Not seeing it.
 
me either
lol
there it is
 
Wait. Mario?
 
Maybe... megaman?
 
Mario!
 
3:41 PM
Oh, I see it now
 
lol
 
goddammit chat
 
lol
 
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3:43 PM
you made that?
 
Yeah.
 
thats pretty cool man
garfield!
 
Let's see, what did I use?
I don't remember.
 
Is IIS a server process or a server?
 
3:45 PM
Process.
 
@KendallFrey Needs a message informing us of his take on Mondays.
 
Apache and VS Server as well?
 
lol
That's my model.
 
obama 2012
 
I can't create an MVC 3 application. I have installed and restarted like 10 times already.
ARGH
 
3:50 PM
whats it doing?
 
It is only showing me the default web project options.
And I definitely have 3 and 4 installed.
 
vs2010? and whats the link ill install it now see if i get the same thing
 
I got a StackOverflowException don't know whether to be happy or confused
if (!txtVal.Focus()) caused it
 
Be confused. Happy is for weekends.
 
3:57 PM
Ahh, but it's a holiday
 
Huh?
 
It's my holiday
 
lalala installing.....
 
It's national relaxation day, and national failure day.
 
3:59 PM
@E.LDunn Yeah it is very slow :(
I am going to try VWD
 
Don't you love those little utilities that take 3 hours (and counting) to run? Testing is a pain.
 
It's so stupid when people write things like "no copyright intended !!" on Youtube videos
 
No copyright intended? wtf
 
It doesn't even make sense or suddenly make copyright infringement legal
It's on several videos
The other popular one is funny "I own nothing."
 
Hey Guy's
 
4:02 PM
It just makes them sound like they are begging for money
 
ok says its installed
lets see if it is
 
I posted on here yesterday, regarding SQl Server space requirements, not sure if you remember Kendall?
 
asp.net mvc 3 web application, seems to be there
 
I was here too, I remember
 
2010?
WTF is going on
 
4:06 PM
I remember (somewhat)
 
yea 2010 professional
 
I'm pretty much a novice with this stuff and with all the Ball Ache of going through IT Security and waiting months on end for granted Access, if ever possible.. Ive decided to go witha Horrid MS Access Database, just to enable me to get this project completed
I've figured how i can still use LINQ with DataTables, al be it far more tedious coding, it is still achievable
 
Why isn't the meme showing up?
 
I#m looking to load each table from the Access Database into DataTables, and then create IQueryable lists for each datatable
This way I can use LINQ for Queries.
 
@LewsTherin It is for me
 
4:10 PM
How would you guys suggest I do this? As in, Should I be building a Class to perform this task? that returns the Data as Iqueryables?
 
Probably blocked at work, I can't see the profile pictures either
VISUAL 2010 and it is installing VS 2012. Is this installer dense?
 
@Derek - That's really inefficient. You'd essentially be loading the entire database into memory.
 
How do you think i should do it Spencer?
 
u prolly cliked the 2010 btn lol
 
@Derek - What concrete problem are you trying to solve? Or to put it another way, why do you want to use LINQ for everything?
 
4:15 PM
@E.LDunn Did you have VS 2010 SP1 installed
 
now checking
 
I want to use LINQ for querying the data, its quick and clean. The problem is that i was intending on using LINQ to SQL, but i am not allowed the Data Storage in SQL, because of costs. So i have to revert to a MS Access Database..
 
yea i did
 
Quick? LINQ has a reputation for being slow.
 
Could be why...
 
4:16 PM
@Derek - LINQ to SQL can work with an Access database I believe.
 
Really?
 
Well I know nHibernate supports Access databases and it has a LINQ-2-SQL engine. I haven't actually tried it though.
I'd recommend against it though. LINQ-2-SQL isn't quick or clean.
 
What is nHibernate?
 
It's an Object Relational Manager. Much like Entity Framework.
 
4:19 PM
lol
 
I have a form that will be need data from the database, to populate controls such as Combo Boxes andGridViews etc.
 
@KendallFrey Lol
 
I would normally load this informationinto DataTables with ADO, is this a bad way to do it?
 
@Derek - Personally I hate LINQ-2-SQL. I don't know if it's just not polished enough yet or if there's simply too much of a disconnect between Objects and Records. Either way it's not my first choice right now. Personally I'm really happy with nHibernate in conjunction with a Factory pattern. Their Criteria objects make a good code replacement for SQL and if you run into something you can't do or can't figure out it's really easy to switch back...
to dynamic SQL until you find a workable solution using Critera.
ADO isn't horrible but the industry is drifting away from dynamic sql because it's a nightmare to maintain as I'm sure you've realized.
Gotta head to a meeting. I'll be back.
 
I'll have to check it out before I progress I think. I liked ADO whe i first started using it, but I find LINQ to SQL alot cleaner so far.
kk - thanks for the info
 
Hello all
Anybody here who is SQL pundit?
 
@KianMayne Congratulations!
 
what you trying to do girish
 
@Girish No but I would like to hear your question.
 
@Girish - Our resident SQL expert is @Grixxly but I don't think he's here at the moment.
 
4:31 PM
Calling access a database is sacrilegious
 
Speak of the devil...
 
@SpencerRuport haha xx
 
I'm still trying to figure out why I'm losing my data in my water quality class...
 
I wanted to learn SQL Server.. So wanted to know preferred books to learn in depth..
I have learned T-SQL.. Wanna excel in it..
 
@Grixxly is also the resident book expert :P
 
4:32 PM
.NET is slightly going over my head..
@SpencerRuport I'd like to interact with him then.. Thanks for the info.. :)
 
@Girish If I really tried to understand the .NET CLR, I bet it would go over my head as well.
 
I don't like the guy, but Joe Celko is good
 
sql isnt easy either thoygh
though
 
I do not know what CLR is, but I'm about to finish a small .NET C# project and my head pains a lot..
 
Manning Press SQL Deep Dives appear to be good. I've only skimmed them though
 
4:35 PM
@Grixxly Could you name few preferred SQL books that I can learn? T-SQL I've finished leanring..
I know there are different levels.. I've Heard of SSMS SSIS and stuff.. So gotta learn those..
 
What do you want to learn?
 
@Grixxly I want to find that out in particular but would love to excel in SQL Servers
 
lol I noticed the tags on the room and at first it was
Anything written by Joe Celco is worth a read
 
What are different levels of SQL?
 
What do you mean? like enterprise, professional, etc?
 
4:39 PM
Hmmm.. No.. I heard my trainer telling that to learn SQL Server, there are different levels. I don't know what he meant in specific.. Something like T-SQL initially, then SSMS then SSIS and so on..
 
doesnt ssms stand for sql server management studio??
 
Maybe.. I've no idea..
 
yes
SSIS is SQL Server Integration Services in case you're wondering
 
SSMS is easier than T-SQL.
 
Wow.. Nice..
SSMS is where we perform T-SQL codes, right?
 
4:44 PM
You can, but it provides a GUI for simple things like creating and modifying tables.
 
I'm using SQL Server 2008 R2.. Does it mean I'm using SSMS??
 
@Girish might be
 
If you are using it, you will know it.
 
@KendallFrey Somebody (not me) should star this.
 
It's a program based on Visual Studio (looks like it too). It's installed on the system by default. If you look for it, you should find it.
Not you? lol
 
4:45 PM
@kush Might be? For what? I use SQL Server r2 Management Studio.. So that means it is SSMS, right?
 
@Girish yup
 
Okay.. : )
 
@Girish I don't think I use even 10% of the features of Visual Studio but I can still say I use Visual Studio ;)
 
@kush Even I use VS 2010 and is very good software Microsoft has build.. Wondering which is their next version of VS
I love the way data is stored in SQL Server.. We think it is in form of tables, but technically it isn't.. ;)
 
i have a wide gridview, and its causing the header text of one of the columns to wrap at a space. how do i force it to make the gridview even wider
 
4:48 PM
@Girish dude. This is going to start a flame war. VS11 is available for download starting today.
 
@Girish How do you mean? Technically, nothing is stored as files, but bits and bytes.
@Steve WPF?
 
@kush VS 2011.. Woah.! I'm sorry for that.. Must look into it
 
no, asp.net
winform
 
@KendallFrey Yes.. But in SQL Server, when we save data in tables, in specific it isn't..
 
4:50 PM
ASP.NET != WinForms. Did you mean ASP.NET Forms?
@Girish VS 2012, actually.
 
Hmm.. Wow VS you beauty!
 
@Girish "In specific it isn't." What does that mean?
 
@Girish If you are a current student, you can save money with dreamspark dreamspark.com/Product/Product.aspx?productid=44
You get free visual studio, you get free visual studio, every current student gets free visual studio
 
@KendallFrey typo i meant webforms
 
@KendallFrey Data is not stored in tables to be specific.. I forgot the training that I received once. So all I can say is, tables are just for representation

P.S: I am not a student!
 
4:53 PM
I don't know what you mean. The data is stored as a list of records known as a table.
 
@Girish just trying to save you some money
 
Records.. Yes.. But there are of technical terms that I'm unable to remember..
 
Tuple?
 
@kush Okay.. But my trainer has license to all MS products :D
 
@Girish great! (:
 
4:55 PM
Tuples? Hmmm.. I dunno.. Maybe. But not sure :(
I love SQL Server all-in-all..
 
crumpets
 
:(:
 
yumm
lol
 
Right there.
 
4:58 PM
Wooo! Wooo!!
Its my country's 66Th Independence day and I ate lotsa sweets!! yumm
Why is this sudden ~silence~?? :P
 
Very Depressed, Try to improve the code quality by removing the wrongly used using block, but i was been told by my lead "Does it cause an issue?
Does it crash?
What’s the reason for the change?
" The thing i want to imrpove is discribed at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11972841/dispose-a-object-been-added-to-a-collection-but-the-collection-still-has-refere
 
Terrible bug.
 
i have a wide gridview, and its causing the header text of one of the columns to wrap at a space. how do i force it to make the gridview even wider
 
damit why wont you delete my folder stupid windows 7
 
i want to force it not to wrap :(
 
5:03 PM
@E.LDunn Maybe there's files inside it that are causing issues.
 
@KendallFrey it is, but seems in my lead's mind all other devs are just coding monkey.....
 
i think i found it :)
 
I just got the visual studio achievements for having a lot of breakpoints in the same file
yay?
 
Dumbest idea ever.
 
Visual studio has achievements now?
 
5:06 PM
For a long time already. It's kinda funny. :)
 
dang it didn't work!
wth
 
Damn, where have I been... that's funny and sad.
 
You don't need to use them. It's just an extension that runs behind
 
Ah
 
5:09 PM
TIL: StructLayout applies to classes
 
Brain fart, need help - trying to name a namespace filled with functions that access external APIs
"Utility" = too generic, "Handler" = inaccurate
Tip of my tongue and whatnot
 
Proxies? Or something like that
 
APIWrapper?
 
APIWrapper. Love it.
<3
(Wrapper* was the word I was looking for)
 
Does someone know if Visual Studio 2012 will be released today too, for MSDN subscribers?
 
5:18 PM
@user1527329 what is the difference between the rc and this?
 
@kush Well.. I guess all the RTM stuff is included, instead of the RC. MVC4 RTM, .NET 4.5 RTM
@kush Or just the psychological effect.. Knowing it's the done version, not some test version. :)
 
@user1527329 makes sense thanks for the reply
although I still think all that should auto update?
 
I don't think there was an auto updates from beta to rc either
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a static class behaves just like a non-static class that is auto-instantiated with a "global" instance at runtime, right?
 
@TheDramaLlama That is correct. It will be initialized when it's first time used.
 
5:30 PM
Gotcha, thanks.
 
Try to avoid having too much logic in the static constructor. It's really annoying to debug exceptions there.
 
Not doing anything with the static constructor, just trying to refactor a 1000-line utility library. Splitting all the functionality into appropriate classes, and creating a separate "Definitions" class for all the static vars.
 
I was just mentioning, just in case.. :)
 
Visual Studio 2012 and windows 8 just got released on MSDN
Just mentioning... :]
 
5:48 PM
Thank you user1527329!
 
Downloading with my slow internet connection Windows 8.. Wish I'd still be at work, better internet. :D
 
I just deleted my old Win8 Dev Preview.
 
I hate this! I have to wait for DreamSpark to upload it on their servers.. Gah, slow! I'll probably have to wait a few weeks :(
 
Yeah, hoping for dreamspark too.. My brother will give me his license
 
@KendallFrey do you have windows 8 installed on your computer?
 
5:57 PM
No.
 
just say no to windows 8
 
so difficult to not star
 

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