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That feeling when you see a post in the Reopen Votes queue that could use some helpful advice on how to fix the problems, and you go to leave a comment, only to find that you have, in fact, already left that comment yesterday...
(spoilers: my advice was not taken)
 
9:47 AM
@RyanM at least your judgement is consistent. Kudos for that.
 
10:09 AM
@RyanM Sort of similar to that feeling when you see a somewhat bad answer, but can't really put your finger on it and Skip and then see the "same" bad answer 5 answers later..
 
 
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11:11 AM
Is this android answer an NAA that slipped past Dharman's new bot? :)
 
12:07 PM
Am I right to consider this NAA as even the brief notes in the text refer to the handwritten answer in the image?
 
@DavidBuck I think you may get the flag declined. It's not the best answer, but it does answer the Question. It's not code, so there's no reason to transcribe it for users seeking an answer. Opinions may differ ;)
I would leave a comment asking the poster to please transcribe it into a proper answer.
I would probably write something like "While it seems to answer the Question, I'm unfortunately not very well versed in reading handwriting. I find your answer hard to read, and as such I'm not very inclined to read it. It would help if you provided with a transcribed answer."
 
12:24 PM
@Scratte From experience, this is exactly the sort of post that I am likely to get declined on - it is obviously lacking, can't be searched, etc., but does contain an answer. I should have said VLQ not NAA as it does seem to that it 'has severe formatting or content problems' but it's hard to judge in a mod will agree.
 
@DavidBuck There's also the surprising element that moderators are individuals, and may have different opinions too :D Maybe you can retract your flag and reflag it.
 
IMHO that answer really isn't flagable. It is an answer. It doesn't have sever formatting issues so it also isn't VLQ. That leaves it in a state where if it is just low quality (no V) then you can down vote and/or delete vote it.
 
@NathanOliver Hmm.. it'd say the crossover is formatting issues.. and it takes me a long time to understand it, because I need to "decipher" it first. But of course that may just be my lacking reading ability.
 
Haven't flagged it, so based on the above, I've commented it and will move on. Thanks for the input.
 
VLQ is meant for gibberish, not something that could be edited. I can't see the picture so I only have half the information but just form the text of the answer there is enough there for me not to flag it.,
good comment
 
12:31 PM
@NathanOliver Good point :) The images just takes the focus away from the text prior to the image :D
 
@NathanOliver we also use VLQ for non-English answers. In theory those could be edited into an English translation, but for some reason we don't do that.
 
@RobertColumbia Anything that isn't English is just gibberish ;)
 
@NathanOliver Sludder og vrøvl:)
 
^ See, Gibberish ;)
 
It translates to "Nonsense and gibberish" :) (No idea why Google thinks it's rubbish though)
 
1:18 PM
I've come across a tricky case. 1. User copies an answer into a new answer. Highlight the text and verifies that it works. 2. Different users edits the answer to remove the obvious copy, changes the wording making it not a verbatim copy. 3. edit is approved.
What do I do? I removed my NAA flag on it, since it's no longer apparent that it indeed was an NAA. But it seems that every step on this answer just went wrong.
I did leave a message on the post prior to the edit approval. Are comments hidden to edit reviewers?
 
1:38 PM
@Scratte flag for mods and let them know it's a blatant copy of another answer (link to the other answer) before it was edited to hide that fact
 
@TylerH Ok. I must admit I'm very disappointed that the edit was approved.
 
@Scratte unfortunately you will see bad edit reviews again fairly often
 
@TylerH How badly does one have to approve an edit to get suspended?
 
@Scratte I'm not sure, but probably either approving many very bad edits or one reeeeally bad one
but there aren't really any mods examining the edit queue. Sam spends a lot of time on triage but I think he doesn't check reviews in other queues that much
 
It's almost making me cry.. but I still have some gin left, so I'll be OK ;)
Is it possible for the author to undelete a post that was deleted by someone else than the author? Like if it's moderator deleted?
 
Zoe
1:53 PM
@TylerH the bad reviews room does cover other queues, but it's focusing on triage
 
oh yeah I forgot about the new chatroom
 
Zoe
@Scratte Mod? No. Answers can be self-undeleted if they're deleted from a NAA review queue IIRC
 
@Zoe I did post a case there (that also almost made me cry) from late answers. But I don't think it was acted on.
 
Zoe
There's a lot of trash unfortunately :/ Would've been slightly less bad if it was just posts and didn't apply as significantly to reviews
 
Oops.. :)
 
Zoe
1:56 PM
@Scratte the result of accidentally placing your finger one key to the right on a norwegian keyboard xd one key right of ' is enter .-.
 
@Zoe I though it was another weird emoti-thing of yours :)
 
Zoe
^^
Most of my emojis have some level of symmetry or a pattern ^^"
 
2:22 PM
@Scratte Sometime I'll mod flag the egregious ones. There's no shortage of robo-reviewers
 
@Machavity I did mention that the reviewers failed to see my post comment. But I will never know the result :)
 
3:17 PM
Noo..... they moved the flag-Button. And the little blue flag-counter-box is gone! :(
Submits should not be on the left side in my opinion. They should be on the right.
 
@Scratte what view are you looking at where you see this?
Ah, the flag modal window
I agree, I hate when submit buttons are on the left corner instead of the right corner
 
No gin can fix this..
 
Conspiracy theory: style changes designed to drive curators away from curating.
 
@Scratte no, but CSS can :-)
@Scratte Apply these styles to the stackoverflow.com and stackexchange.com domains using your favorite user styles browser addon to fix it
also EWWWW the flag option to close a question is now "needs improvement" instead of "should be closed"
 
@TylerH I don't have one such.
@TylerH Nice. They've taken all the critique from Triage and figured it would nice to have all the close-voters confused as well :D
 
3:36 PM
@Scratte I recommend Stylus
 
@TylerH Which one is it that was associated with spyware?
 
@Scratte Stylish
 
..I suppose to could spend an afternoon or a week trying to get the cute little blue box with the number in it too.
 
Aaarrrgggh! What have they done to the Close Vote pop-up?
 
Zoe
oh no
 
3:39 PM
@AdrianMole ninja'd by.. a lot ;)
 
Zoe
oof!
 
I scrolled up a few screen...
 
Zoe
SE has once again broken the close vote request generator xd
and advanced flagging
 
The change came (for me) during the past hour or two.
 
it appeared for me in the middle of reviewing in the CV Queue
 
3:41 PM
@Zoe At first, I thought installing the Advanced Flagging caused the change , so I disabled it, just to be sure. Sorry for having doubts. ;)
 
Zoe
No, none of the userscripts cause that big changes
 
The thought was only a passing one...
 
Does anyone know the strike-through markdown is?
 
Perhaps the new, bigger, bolder fonts are considered more 'friendly'?
 
Zoe
@Scratte ~~strike~~ in most sensible variants of markdown, ---strike--- on stack overflow + chat
 
3:46 PM
@Scratte two tildas ~~
~~ tildas~~ hyphens
@Zoe - OK!
 
Not for chat :) I tried the the hyphens for a post on meta, but they're not working :)
 
Three hyphens works.
 
Zoe
@Scratte then <strike></strike>
possibly abbreviated with <s></s>
 
@Zoe yep
 
Zoe
That doesn't work in chat
because stack is extremely inconsistent
and chat hasn't been updated in like, a decade
 
3:52 PM
I'm confused now. (Need coffee.)
 
Hi confused now. (Need coffee.)
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So this is also happening in the close-vote menu?
what about the delete-vote?
 
@Scratte Delete-vote's don't have a menu.
 
Yeah, not liking the new close window. In some SE sites, the UX suffers with the color schemes
 
FWIW, if anyone wants a temporary fix, my Stylus styles to fix this (and a couple other things I had already applied) are available here github.com/Tyler-H/SO-UserScripts/blob/master/…
 
3:54 PM
@Zoe Which part is broken? I assume I'll see it if I go looking?
 
They're just written in a pass or two so not guaranteed to be the most efficient CSS for it, but works for me
 
Zoe
@Makyen open the close menu
A certain checkbox is gone
 
@TylerH oooo... just in time to not get a complaint about posting code as an image. :-)
 
@NathanOliver Possibly the next incarnation of my username?
 
3:55 PM
@Makyen I live to serve :-)
@Scratte oh I see what you mean about the blue notice. it's still there but the same color as the UI. I'm sure at least that is a bug... it should be blue still
I'll have to update my userstyles again :-)
 
@Zoe Yeah, that's what I'd figured would have disappeared....
 
looks like I gave the button a bit too much margin-left anyway for some cases
 
@TylerH The notice was always text. There was a little box around the number only. It's missing :( It was cute..
@Zoe Thanks. Applied :)
 
Zoe
np ^^
 
@Scratte I'm referring to when you open the modal and see existing flags next to a reason (or close votes)
are you referring to the (n) to the right of the link that indicates there are already close votes?
if so I can't fix that with a user style (easily), it would need to rely on a user script that can lookup the number of close votes (if they don't hide it elsewhere) and then display it
 
Zoe
4:04 PM
On the bright side, this change didn't break enter to submit :rolling_eyes:
 
ugh, and now I see they've updated the off-topic label to "community specific reason"
Stack... please stop renaming things for no reason
 
Zoe
Stack isn't even doing that bad yet
Discord on the other hand... xd
 
@TylerH I prefer that.. "off-topic" is bad because programming is the topic. It's confusing that stack overflow overloads a general concept.
 
Zoe
also that, actually
 
@TylerH And, once the vote is cast, it appears as "Not suitable for this site" instead of "Off-topic." Maybe that's actually an improvement, though?
 
4:08 PM
@AdrianMole Maybe, but it makes it longer/more confusing to talk about, similar to the change away from "too broad" and "unclear".
 
@AdrianMole it's unnecessarily unclear and moves away from verbiage that is easily acronym-ized
 
@TylerH On this help page it's orange :) And it's 79 :)
 
@Scratte no, specific programming questions are the topic, and there are several caveats to that in any case
@Scratte ah I see
 
@TylerH Agreed, but from the pov of seasoned reviewers and vigilantes. But it's clearly designed to be 'nicer' for the victims of the close.
 
4:12 PM
@Scratte I can't change that w/ a user style--it'd take a user script. But at least it still tells you exactly how many flags you have
 
@TylerH We don't want easily acronymed. It's confusing for new people. We want words spelled out :)
 
@AdrianMole exactly, which is why it's a bad change :-)
 
Who here hates the new Close Vote UI?
 
@Scratte no, here we want acronyms
 
Ooh - that sound vaguely toxic, @TylerH
 
4:13 PM
@S.S.Anne I hate it so much I posted on meta
 
please share the link. I want to upvote
 
M--
@S.S.Anne \(๏◡๏)/ Meeeee
 
Oh, never mind.
 
@AdrianMole only if you vastly misunderstand it. The interface for curation is not for askers, but curators. Making the outcome friendly is a different thing that obfuscating the interface for curation
 
@Scratte It's always been that way AFAIK.
 
4:15 PM
-- Stands down and goes to make coffee --
 
oops, looks like my styles to change the 3rd flag were a little too ambitious... flagging an answer now gives "should be closed" instead of "not an answer", heh
maybe this is an improvement, actually... I've always wanted to close answers
anyway, time for lunch
 
Arggg... The popups lost the ... on selections which indicated that the selection changed to another view/other options.
 
Has it also broken the cv-pls generator?
 
@S.S.Anne The checkbox is not in the dialog, but the popup appears to be working.
 
That's unfortunate. I use the checkbox a lot.
 
4:19 PM
@S.S.Anne No. It was on the right side until today.
 
@S.S.Anne It will get fixed.
 
@Scratte xkcd.com/1172
!!/coffee @AdrianMole
What's the deal with this today?
 
I don't think Smokey makes coffee for non-privileged insane people.
 
They can be executed by everyone, but I am privileged, so it shouldn't matter.
 
I didn't touch on the naming of the meny, since I agree with the new naming. Sorry..
 
4:25 PM
!!/alive
 
@S.S.Anne You should totally drop that and use jQuery
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@AdrianMole ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
!!/alive
 
@AdrianMole You should totally drop that and use jQuery
 
4:25 PM
!!/amiprivileged
 
@S.S.Anne ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
so Smokey's up, but coffee doesn't work.
!!/coffee @AdrianMole
 
!!/coffee @AdrianMole
It run out of coffee
 
!!/coffee AdrianMole
 
@Makyen brews a cup of Cappuccino for @AdrianMole
 
4:27 PM
!!/blame
 
maybe if she's self isolating she hasn't been able to get to the shops :(
 
@AdrianMole It's Ruzihm's fault.
 
@S.S.Anne Yeah.. I see what you mean, but no. Submit works best on the right side of the screen.
 
So, Smokey has a "Brew Coffee" privilege level?
... or is it the @ that was wrong?
 
Nah. Smokey doesn't bite the hand that feeds reboots it
 
4:30 PM
@AdrianMole No, it's not a privileged command.
 
@Makyen Speaking of which, would now be a good time to request the lowest (SD) privileges (for this room only, to begin with)?
 
@AdrianMole There's no "bad" time.... :)
 
!!/blame @
 
@S.S.Anne It's halfer's fault.
 
Well... I guess I could come up with some circumstances which would be bad, at least for some levels of "bad". :)
 
4:33 PM
@AdrianMole It's easier to get signed up in charcoal-hq and there's more traffic there: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/11540/charcoal-hq
 
You can choose any one of these certificates of sanity.
 
Ugh, the closure option has been renamed to "needs improvement" in the flag window. Let's take what doesn't work in Triage and export it to the flag window! :(
 
@Machavity I think I said that too :) But it's actually the reverse of the trouble in Triage. People want things improved by author. That's why they picked "Need editing".. Now they're more likely to pick "Needs improvement" than the previous "Should be closed"
 
The little cv-pls button doesn't show up unless you reload.
 
@S.S.Anne I thought @Makyen had the powers.
I'm already signed-up to Metasmoke, &c.
 
4:38 PM
It requires a room meeting for you to get privs. I had to wait a month for mine.
 
OK, no hurry, no worry. I would only use things like sd fp very occasionally, as there's usually enough others in here to do the stuff.
 
@AdrianMole Giving you privileges in Charcoal HQ is a decision I can make unilaterally. Privileges in SOCVR are something we get consensus from the ROs as a group, which may take a while, depending on circumstances which may have nothing to do with you. I've asked in the SOCVR RO backroom.
 
@Makyen Thanks. I assumed a room-only request would be simpler.
 
@AdrianMole Ironically, it's the other way around. :) Would you like privileges in Charcoal HQ?
 
Well, I wouldn't say no, but I don't hang in there that much. If it's easy, though...
... and maybe I should spend more time there (and other bot rooms) to hone my skills.
Just started experimenting in the SOBotics chat room, where there are many things I need to learn, for sure.
 
4:44 PM
I really only use CHQ if I need to report a spam user.
Anyway, Adrian has had more than their share of coffee. Time for Nathan.
!!/coffee NathanOliver
 
@S.S.Anne brews a cup of Americano for @NathanOliver
 
@AdrianMole Done in CHQ. Please see this group of messages.
 
5:13 PM
@TylerH It's in a flex container, so it's probably better just to set flex so it grows to fill the space, rather than define a specific margin-left.
 
Does SO change UI ? Some User Script don't work as usual ? CV queue popup also give weird view.
 
@Makyen like I said, it's a first pass :-)
@Shree yep, they did make changes to the flag and close modals without any announcement and it broke some userscripts
@Makyen now there is a duplicated "back" link along with a link at the top of the modal that both take you back
 
@TylerH Wait what?!?.. Are you saying there was always a "back" feature on the modal?
 
5:29 PM
@TylerH The "breadcrumbs" along the top of the modal no longer really look like breadcrumbs. They are much less understandable.
The whole thing used to be a consistently presented UI, now it looks like it was cobbled together out of disassociated parts.
 
@Scratte looks like it was only visible for a bit; since I left for lunch they applied the d-none class to it to hide it again
@Makyen agreed
 
I kind of like the "Back" button and the "Flagging > Needs improvement > Community specific" now that I've noticed it. I never noticed it before and used to close it just to start over.
 
Is inline editing impossible for anyone else?
 
@double-beep Like on a comment? I think so. Comments are personal :)
 
@double-beep Yep. Kind of annoying, yeah?
 
@double-beep Did you find one of your own comments that you don't think you made exactly as is? ;)
 
... and fixing code in questions is not acceptable, right?
 
6:00 PM
@Makyen OK, more tweaks to the CSS (and some screenshots of what it looks like) github.com/Tyler-H/SO-UserScripts
 
6:17 PM
In the CV dialog, why is the "Cancel" button hidden on the sub-panes (e.g. dup, off-topic, migration), but isn't hidden on the initial pane?
 
@Makyen It probably should be removed from the initial pane as well since we have the X and also the ability to close by simply clicking out of the modal
 
@TylerH I agree, but whichever way they do it, it should be consistent on all the panes.
 
@AdrianMole depends on the change. usually, the answer is "no, don't edit someone else's code"
especially if the change would cause it to run where it didn't before
in some cases where there's an irrelevant typo or if it's an answer where some method or syntax call / prop name has changed and it's a popular 10 year old post, it's not so much a big deal
but in the case you linked to, either it's a superfluous change or it is enough to make non-running code run, which could be OP's exact problem and thus shouldn't be changed
 
Arrg... "should be closed" was replaced with "needs improvement" in flag dialog. I think someone mentioned this, but, dang it, that's just more confusing. At least leave it with something like "needs improvement (should be closed) …".
 
M--
@Makyen but should be closed is not friendly, we should try to be more friendly :|
 
6:32 PM
3 hours ago, by TylerH
also EWWWW the flag option to close a question is now "needs improvement" instead of "should be closed"
:-)
luckily my user styles fix that!
 
@Makyen What about the change to font size when it's clicked? :) @TylerH I didn't check if your user styles fixed that.
 
@Scratte I didn't notice a font size change
 
@TylerH Maybe it's my browser then. The font size on the first set of option is fine. Then when picking "Needs improvement" the dialog blows up in size and the content has an increased front-size as well.
 
M--
Is there any way that I can get a del vote on a meta post? (I know we're not moderating meta here)
 
6:48 PM
@M-- You could always precede your request with, "Pssst..."
 
M--
@AdrianMole does that bypass @Makyen scripts?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis no need to mod flag for that... you can just ask the RO's to move it out of the room if you want :)
 
@M-- press the 'delete' link under the post ;-) Is it your closed Q?
 
@JonClements Yeah, I realized after I submitted, my bad.
 
6:52 PM
no worries!
 
M--
@TylerH you figured
Psssst, thanks @TylerH
 
My, what lovely weather we have today :-)
 
7:10 PM
When does the exact same answer (linking their own blog) become spam? Here's the second one: stackoverflow.com/a/61194779/10871073
@TylerH Can you do your magic tag-flag adding to the first of my two recent posts?
... at that point, I wasn't 100% sure.
 
@AdrianMole hmm?
 
Yesterday you seemed to do that, so it went to the graveyard. Or did you just delete it?
 
I can't edit your chat messages :-) I can only move them to another room
 
7:25 PM
@AdrianMole The only thing ROs can do wrt. chat messages is move them into another room where the RO has write access. Only elected moderators can edit or delete.
 
re: posts that aren't tagged with a *-pls tag, we can manually select messages to add to the pile when moving
 
@TylerH @Makyen OK - no big deal.
 
should this question be unbountied? stackoverflow.com/questions/61159885/…
Why the heck did they move the button to the left???
 
7:41 PM
Maybe there's a new dev in UI who's sinister?
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@JohnDvorak why do you think the bounty should be canceled by a mod?
 
looks like too much code to me
But perhaps it's just because it's Java?
 
Maybe; I'm not sure. I only worked w/ Java in a high school "programming" class. Either way I'm not sure if "might be too much code" is sufficiently important for a bounty to be removed
Typically a question would need to be so bad that it needs to be closed immediately to warrant a mod manually canceling a bounty. Otherwise, just let OP waste their rep
 
8:21 PM
@JohnDvorak A very quick look makes me think it's not a lot of code.
@TylerH Am I correct in assuming that the box around the remaining flag numbers are gone? But they remain on the number of votes left?
 
@Scratte neither the flags or votes modals show a box anymore around the # of votes you have left
 
Zoe
Did the inline editor just break for anyone else?
 
@Zoe double-beep reported it about three screens back (18:43).
 
Zoe
Which privilege unlocks it again?
2k (edit privs)?
 
@TylerH I'm thinking of your modifications on my rant on meta :) You seem to have added a blue colour for something that I can't see :)
 
8:36 PM
Dunno - what's inline editing, anyway? (Maybe I've reverted to dumb mode...)
 
Zoe
repro on über-meta, so I'm assuming it's network wide. Asked a question about it
@AdrianMole inline editing is where you click "edit", and you can edit on the post without being redirected.
 
@Scratte I added a blue color back to the notice of existing votes of the same type (you can't see existing flags unless you're a moderator)
 
Zoe
A picture says a thousand words: meta.stackexchange.com/a/97821/332043
 
the notice and number of existing votes by type was present and blue before, after the change it was made grey so you have to squint to even see it
 
Zoe
oh, derp xd
 
8:42 PM
@Zoe Yes, it's broken and doesn't work, even if manually initialized and the link default action (navigation) prevented.
 
Zoe
And the privilege help page is having a bad label position day
> Moderation privilegePrivilege type:
 
@Zoe In recent days, I think it's quicker to post messages for things that are working. ;P
 
Zoe
Alright, sure. I got a list:
1. Listing
 
@Zoe That's been reported on meta, a few/several days ago.
 
Zoe
I'm out of the loop it seems :')
oh well
 
8:45 PM
@Zoe Unfortunately, without Hot Meta Posts, it takes a lot more effort to stay in the loop.
 
Zoe
it does, yeah
 
I will say dropping in The Meta Room and then moving over to another room is useful.
Since it's basically just a feed of Meta posts now, it's easy to see at a glance from your regular room when a new post is made
 
I used to be able to just make sure I routinely clicked on the Hot Meta Posts, but now I have to keep a tab open to MSO and MSE and click to load new posts. At least on MSE, only about 40% of the new questions don't get deleted.
I guess I should camp in The Meta Room, but it used to be high traffic, so I wasn't really wanting to spend the time.
 
Zoe
Even the meta room is still hard tho
It's everything, and not just the relevant stuff
 
true
@Makyen these days (whenever there's no drama going on, basically) there is no one talking there
 
Zoe
9:02 PM
 
M--
@TylerH OP edited, would you bin this? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=49103616 Thanks
 
@TylerH @M-- binned
 
9:23 PM
ugh, back in test group C for the technical site integration...
what's funny about this is SO is violating the rules of HTML IDs, assigning the same ID to multiple elements
 
9:36 PM
Recent question in Portuguese was closed, but an edit has just been approved translating it to English, despite OP saying he would take it to Portuguese SO. Should it be rolled back (in case the reopen queue accidentally reopens it) or ignored?
 
@DavidBuck IMHO yes
What is wrong with all the buttons? I keep misclicking
 
Are you saying I was McNamara'd?
 
Not sure - more of a Dylan Thomas, maybe? (Song is about left-handers, in case you didn't listen to it all.)
 
@AdrianMole I figured
 
9:44 PM
I'm just disappointed they didn't mention Napoleon Bonaparte.
 
Is this like this social justice fight? "Lefties lives matter"?
 
Let's make everyone welcome. From now on we welcome left-handed people
 
Do left-handed folks deserve rights?
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I don't know. They've got one and they don't even use it
 
9:45 PM
Jokes on you, the leadership of the room is left-handed :-)
You've all been living in Eastasia this whole time
 
I just noticed that they've also removed all the elipses from the dialogs. So now new users have no clue if it opens up a new dialog.
 
@Makyen was lamenting about that earlier
 
Sorry.. I was trying to figure out about the back button :)
Since you mentioned you had no idea what I was talking about when I said the dialog explodes, here's what happens at my end: this is fine, why did the dialog explode and why are the letters so big?, please.. make it go away It's my entire screen.
 
10:11 PM
I wonder...
[tag:only-one-word]
aww
 
@S.S.Anne That strikethrough could be good for tags that "should not be used."
Maybe a feature request?
 
[tag:code]
 
@Scratte Those are actually two separate dialogs, which just happen to be displayed in the same place. The first is the flagging dialog. The second is the close-vote/-flag dialog. When the close-vote/-flag dialog is loaded from clicking in the flag dialog, then the flag dialog is hidden and the close dialog displayed in it's place.
 
Why is the inline editor gone?
 
@Makyen Wonderful. They used to have the same width.. and font-size. I'd like it back..
 
10:18 PM
@Dharman Apparently a bug. There are a couple of Meta posts reporting it.
 
@S.S.Anne yeah, I'm doing it manually, suppose it's due to the UI change?
 
@Vickel It's gone for the moment. You'll have to do it manually or use the button
 
@S.S.Anne yeah, I'm submitting manually, is this due to UI changes?
 
Yep.
For all the people in Test Group C, I empathize with you.
 
@Scratte But, but, then they'd look like one integrated UI.
 
10:26 PM
Counterpoint to "Needs improvement" being similar to the Triage issues: Closing is the appropriate action for questions that need improvement from the original poster. It leads newer users to the correct answer, rather than them thinking "well it could be good with a bit of editing, it shouldn't be closed"
I mostly like the improvements but oh god put the button back on the right and emphasize the votes remaining
 
@RyanM What's the argument for the button on the right?
 
I'm an Android enthusiast :D
 
@Makyen :D You mean to say they would look like someone thought it through? We can't have that..
 
Material Design guidelines specify that action buttons are right-aligned, with the positive action as the rightmost, negative as leftmost, and neutral actions in the middle
 
@RyanM I think you should provide a good argument why you think the button should be moved. We can't just move elements on UI willy-nilly.
 
10:29 PM
Really the non-snarky answer is "because that's how most sites and apps do it"
 
There's more.. notice what happens when clicking "a duplicate" on the first dialog.. and then "Back". You don't actually go back to where you came from.
 
and thus it's more intuitive because it's what users are used to
 
@Scratte Yeah, I think this one is a bug
 
if you put them in any other order I have a decent chance of absentmindedly misclicking, and putting them on the left makes me look twice, first on the right, then elsewhere
 
@Dharman When you say "this one"... :D
 
10:30 PM
@RyanM You get used to it.
 
Consider, for instance, where almost every other button in similar Stack Overflow UIs is. New question button? On the right. Review choice buttons? On the right. Post question/save profile buttons? ...okay, those are on the left, but they're in line with a bunch of sequential interactive UI elements that you go through in sequence.
but yes I'll probably get used to it. I know I'm too picky about design.
 
@Makyen If you happen to get annoyed with yourself and find that you need to make it change with a style, you're welcome to post it along with TylerH's improvements :)
 
@Scratte I know they spend a lot of time and effort on making updates, it's just that it feels like they consistently don't do anywhere close to enough testing prior to pushing into production.
 
@Makyen They do testing. I think they are doing A/B/C testing as we speak.
 
@Makyen for instance, the dark mode where about 60 seconds in the review UI showed that parts were completely unusable
checks ...and it still isn't fixed
 
10:41 PM
@Scratte Once you have close-vote privileges the difference between the two is not as noticeable, because you have a separate "close" button which brings up the close-vote dialog independently of the flag-dialog. Basically, me opening the close-dialog from the flag-dialog is almost always because I'm specifically testing that.
 
@Makyen Unfortunately for me that will take a very long time, since I have no plans to get to even 2K
 
BTW On the various posts about inline editing: now I get it! In the review queues, if you try to edit a post, when you finish your edit and hit "save," you are no longer in the queue, but just on the post itself. So you can't then hit "I'm Done."
Are these recent UI changes just on SO, or on the whole SE network? I'm thinking of a bug report, but not sure to go with MSO or MSE.
 
@RyanM Yes, that was a good example. I can understand using the SO users to do a beta test in order to find all the places that were missed. It just feels like they pushed it into "beta" at a point when I would have considered it pre-alpha, or maybe alpha. Essentially, I would have expected them to have found a large portion of the issues which were reported prior to pushing it out to the masses.
Now, don't get me wrong. Something like that feature is going to need a beta phase where you have a lot more people testing. So, there are going to be things the developer misses. It just shouldn't be the things that are very commonly used.
 
I've just left my everything-is-dark-mode extension on for SO, in part because there's no way to do only chat.stackoverflow and not stackoverflow
 
@AdrianMole It depends on which UI change you're talking about. The close-vote and flag dialogs are network wide. Dark mode is only SO.
 
10:50 PM
Maybe there's a plan to push so many changes that we forget about everything else.. it's a spin :D
 
@Makyen Maybe it's not the UI, but a different bug. I don't have review rights on any other site, so I can't check. Anyone with such privs in the mood to try editing something in a review queue?
 
Oops
 
@AdrianMole Inline editing is broken, so I'd expect to have problems editing from the review queues.
 
Can't find a bug report, though.
 
@AdrianMole I don't know if there's one specifically for review, but there's definitely one for inline editing on both MSO and MSE.
 
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