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1:31 AM
Good UTC morning, here are today's stats -

Currently, there are 1661 banned reviewers, out of which:
- 1521 (91.6%) users are banned for Triage reviews in one way or another
- 1236 (74.4%) users are banned for selecting "Requires Editing" in Triage when the question was unsalvagable
- 116 (7.0%) users are automatically banned for failing multiple review audits
- 331 (19.9%) users are banned for the first time
- 412 (24.8%) users have at least five review bans
- 91 (5.5%) users have a duration of at least 100 days, of which 18 users are perma-banned
Let's see if we can hit 1700 today
The mod review ban page is so long now that if you press the down arrow, it takes two minutes to reach the bottom of the page
 
 
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3:29 AM
Need to increase your key repeat rate, bro.
 
3:42 AM
no need for that, I've just upgraded my review ban userscript and can process reviews 40% faster now
See the "Past day" and "Past week" lines in the chart "Rate of new bans and ban expiry" in my spreadsheet, docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…
 
 
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5:40 AM
New reviewer, got the ban the first day. Yay!

What if there was some sort of automated training program? It might go like this: Once you qualified for triage or got off a ban, you got access to triage, but you weren't exposed to existing triage posts. While in training mode, you got older triage posts that you haven't seen before, and you have to correctly sort them. Once you vote, you see whether you correctly sorted. Once you have correctly sorted enough posts AND your last 20 or so votes pass a minimum threshold (95%, or 100% if it's really that important), you get full triage privileges.
 
6:08 AM
@Forklift17 request here meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/…, or post an answer here meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/394498/… (less likely to be seen)
@Forklift17 so what have you learned about "Requires Editing"?
 
 
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7:31 AM
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Q: Automaticly or a manually banned after reviewing triage

Delphi CoderI just found out I got banned from reviewing for 16 days for triage/25566143 (not an audit). After carefully reading the question again I came to the conclusion I should have voted for Unsalvageable because the poster did not provide any example JSON code and did not even ask a question! It look...

 
8:02 AM
Random observation: it's been a lot easier to get through the entire review queue in the [android] tag over the past few days, which has extremely pervasive quality issues and I'd previously only ever gotten through it without running through all 40 reviews once. Wondering if this is somehow related - could Triage be affecting this somehow?
 
I do hope that is the reason, yes
It would be interesting to see stats on that. Maybe I can get something out of SEDE on sunday.
 
8:17 AM
That tag would probably have a lot less junk in it if there were some sort of tag-specific guidelines for what makes a question useful. e.g., "here's how to correctly get a stack trace, please post one if you want help with a crash"
 
Yeah, it took a while to get better general guidance in the ask page. The next step would be per tag guidance.
 
8:40 AM
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25590071 (needs details/clarity)
https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25576274 (off-topic, belongs on another site, probably server fault)
 
more reviews are now done using Skip or Unsalvageable option in Triage stackoverflow.com/review/triage/history?skipped=true
 
8:58 AM
It doesn't look like skipped=true is an option that works for me ... or I miss what I need to see.
I'm on one coffee so blame that ...
 
Am wondering, do we keep a count of how many test reviews are given to a reviewer and how many of it he/she passes or fails?
 
@rene do you see a show skipped reviews checkbox at the bottom right of the list? i.stack.imgur.com/7DbQ2.png
if not then sorry, it's mod only
@mw509 the system does keep track of all review actions, including actions on audits. Users receive an automated review ban when failing 3-4 audits within the past X days.
 
@SamuelLiew where X is?
 
the audits are system generated based on heuristics on the post, differs by review queue type
@mw509 idk, have to search meta
 
Alright! Thank you. Am trying daily to understand and be more helpful.
 
9:06 AM
@SamuelLiew no, I don't see that. Maybe hand me a diamond for a moment so I can be 100% sure ;)
 
I'm not a CM and I wouldn't want to be one either
 
Yeah, won't blame you for that
 
uuuhm how do you flag a user's account? I just came accross a "Dating" account and I seriously think it should be closed down: stackoverflow.com/users/13040159/fang-fang?tab=profile
 
@mw509 see meta.stackexchange.com/questions/157121/…, and then this meta.stackexchange.com/a/158678/165483 (not sure if this is still correct though)
@mw509 user had no active posts, so custom flag one of your own posts, link to the user's profile and explain what needs attention
 
@mw509 Looks like 3 failed audits in 30 days will get you an automatic ban. Why am I getting the message “You've failed too many recent review audits”? Ohh.. too late :)
 
9:18 AM
@SamuelLiew I just run out of flags so I will have to list that for tomorrow. Thanks.
@Scratte luckily, I passed all tests from yesterday so great!
 
3 audits in 30 days? that's stricter than I expected. I thought it was a 7 day period.
 
@SamuelLiew Not the first time. After that it's one failed audit with a double ban period.
 
@SamuelLiew that is not lenient. it means if I made one error every 10 days, I will most likely get banned.
 
yeah I meant the other way
 
Also.. some of those auto-audits are impossible to pass, because the correct choice will fail the audit.
 
9:21 AM
it's quite prohibitive
that's why I wrote an audit skipper
 
audit skipper? tell me more
In my opinion the Triage is worse than COVID-19
 
Samuel wrote a userscript. I believe you can find it here: ReviewQueueHelper
 
@Scratte thank you
 
@SamuelLiew It's more lenient then choosing the wrong option in Triage :D
 
my userscript also removes the "Requires Editing" button so you won't get review banned by me
 
9:32 AM
hahahaha
 
I got banned for choosing "Looks OK" ;) I didn't know about the timeline option back then, and the Question has since been deleted, so I don't know who removed it (<10K). I do have my suspicions as to who might have banned me though ;)
 
@SamuelLiew show a pop-up on clicking "requires editing" that says: You meant unsalvageable, right? Fixed that for you!
 
@rene totally will help!
 
or I could just silently change it to the unsalvageable button event
 
@SamuelLiew Why not open the Question in edit mode?
 
9:40 AM
@rene maybe you haven't skipped any reviews, that button is definitely not mod only :p
 
That is also true. I have no doubts, I don't skip ...
 
It's at the bottom right of the review table on the history tab iirc
 
@rene Thank you. You must be the sole reason why the queues get emptied when everyone else presses Skip :)
@Nick psst.. I think rene may have just tried to trick someone into handing out a diamond :D
 
Okay, lesson 1 in social engineering: don't get caught.
 
Sarcasm doesn't read well in text
And I'm on my phone
And it's before 10am....
 
 
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12:10 PM
Damn it @SamuelLiew I had 5 reviews open which i was waiting to finish before reporting them, now 4 of them have been closed by you xd
 
catching up on live history
my userscript adds filtering tabs, so I can just focus on the Requires Editing ones i.stack.imgur.com/g78Bp.png
 
oooh
 
I have similar filtering for post timelines
 
robo reviewers are out in full force now
live stats in the spreadsheets, I'm updating at least once every 6 hours
 
12:20 PM
They may not be robo-reviewing. They may just be confused as to how it works.
 
@Scratte you can often tell the difference
Wait, why does your chart say 14th Sam? xd
 
because I can't put 13th, so the 14th is tentative (current)
 
ah kl
 
@Nick I think I did 60 reviews on my first day. But I must say that I was a lot less confused then, than I am now :D
Ignorance is bliss, until you get banned
 
@Scratte Sure, but did you complete all 60 within 10min?
 
12:32 PM
@Nick No. I think it was an hour or so. But I did it all wrong. I didn't even remember what the help pages said. Some of which I hadn't even read at the time.
 
tut tut ;p
 
Which reminds me that if anyone was to go through those reviews from the first day, and ban me for each offense, I'd probably be banned until 2048 (the year)
 
1:09 PM
is this message new? i.stack.imgur.com/4mqk5.png
 
No
it's only shown when the concensus is looks ok
 
All the people on the list with him are literally done! they are better off doing posts on facebook
 
Nah, seb and vegard will be fine
 
If I ever do a review and see any of y'all names and my decision is other than y'all ones, am deleting my account!
 
;)
 
1:11 PM
Ankur will need to provide a copy of his High school degree,
 
Yeah, they don't exist everywhere you know
 
well, the consensus also appears to be unsalvagable.
 
In fact, I know literally nobody with a high school diploma
 
@Nick no one! :O
 
nope
 
Zoe
1:13 PM
@Nick ah, 'cuz y'all skipped it, right? :P
 
hahahhahhahaha
 
Shush >.<
 
Zoe
Make me :P
 
The only diploma I ever got was my MSc
 
Zoe
we have diplomas after high school here
 
1:15 PM
We have exam records, but we don't have a piece of paper that says "Well done, you finished mandatory education like everyone else"
 
Zoe
It ain't mandatory here either :')
 
Yeah, plenty of people who don't finish high school then later have to earn an equivalent certification, the GED
 
Am still tryna figure things out here
 
@Zoe it's mandatory up to 16 here
 
Zoe
@Nick yeah, but you have a weird system :P
 
1:21 PM
maybe I shouldn't be featuring the two Triage posts in the sidebar. Perhaps users are realising this Triage feature exists and they are just trying out and clicking all the buttons randomly.
 
Perfect, more people to ban, I was getting bored
/s
in case it wasn't obvious
@Zoe Nahhhh
 
Zoe
@Nick yahhhhh
 
just like me, you just like lines in graphs moving upwards
 
@SamuelLiew Probably just un-feature the "How does Triage work" one, I think
If you were to unfeature any
 
@Das_Geek That's the important one if we want people to learn
 
1:22 PM
but then how will they know how Triage works? :P
 
@Zoe Go do some learning or something :x ;p
 
@Nick Yes, but I think the "Triage is broken" one is more important to bring to people's attention
 
@SamuelLiew So.. why does it chose "Looks OK"?
 
@Scratte The actual concensus was Looks OK (3 Looks OKs), Sam just overrode it
 
^
ninja'd
 
Zoe
1:25 PM
@Nick First of all, I had today off
 
Right. Samuel was just slow. Someone else made the final consensus ..
 
Zoe
Secondly, fridays always end early (12), and it's 14:25
 
Go play pokemon then ;p
@Scratte Right
 
Zoe
@Nick I could, but I'd rather code
 
D:
Who are you
 
Zoe
1:26 PM
I'm Zoe. Who are you?
Do I know you?
Where am I anyway?
 
.-.
 
Zoe
Is this skynet?
:P
 
No.. it's the 13th floor.
 
Zoe
:GWChadThinkEyes:
 
Go back to Discord, and take your silly emotes with you :P
 
1:46 PM
'so what have you learned about "Requires Editing"?' That if anyone guesses wrong even once when reviewing, they get the banhammer.

That is not just a user flaw. That is a design flaw. The system is designed to make reviewers fail. The way the system is designed now actively discourages people from reviewing.

I stand by every word that I said earlier.
 
> That if anyone guesses wrong
If you're guessing it is most definitely a user flaw
 
Zoe
@Das_Geek hmm... no
 
You did not just do that .-.
 
Zoe
@Nick you bet I did :GWagnwNatsukiBlush:
 
xd
 
Zoe
1:55 PM
:fezdab:
 
Are any of those suppose to become some type of emoticon?
 
No, emojis
Emoticons are different ;p
 
@Nick Whatever the distinction, I imagine they're not suppose to be literals. No idea what GW agnw Natsuki Blush is :D I don't know Chad either
 
Zoe
GW = Game Wisp, used for global emotes (emotes from other servers without nitro)
agnw is the server code
Natsuki is a specific character, although it's not always the case. The last one is obvious
Chad is a different server (Mom's house)
It's a discord thing
The namespacing is constant though. GW is always present in most cases (there's two different types), then there's a server name, then the emote name. Probably to avoid conflicts
 
uuuhm I just looked at Samuel's script. how do you use it?
 
2:07 PM
Install a user script provider in your browser like TamperMonkey
 
right got it
 
Open the dashboard and add a script from a url providing the github link (I think you can do that anyway)
 
yeap!
 
You can also simply open the raw version on github
 
Zoe
^
 
2:10 PM
it should detect it as a script
 
O_o
 
2:31 PM
> Sorry buster, we are going to need a valid reason
-.-
 
Oh hey, I get to spend another two weeks in the review sin bin
This is perfect :)
 
Congrats
 
Zoe
:GWahreeVampyYay:
 
Zoe! get those false emotes outta here
 
That'll learn me for looking at the triage queue
 
Zoe
2:33 PM
nah
I love how that "nah" can easily apply to both messages :')
 
sorry for a sidestep from recent focus on triage but No Action Needed given to a blatant link-only answer both in FP (#25596278) and LA (#25596406) queues possibly deserve a closer look: stackoverflow.com/posts/60671427/timeline
 
Sometimes the queues have a little red circle on them - guess that means it's getting too big.
 
@Psychemaster Yes, there's a warning level for each queue, when any of the queues reach that warning level then a red marker will appear for that queue and on the queue button at the top of the page
see here
 
Makes sense
 
IMO it should appear red when it's over the limit that allows you to perform 40 reviews in a day instead, at least then it's a useful indicator...
 
2:43 PM
Reckon that'd be a pain in the ass to actually manage, though, as the warning state fluctuates a lot more than once a day
It'd be weird if you kept the extra review allowance once that queue dropped back to normal, but at the same time the allowance could go negative if you revoked it from everyone who got it when the queue calmed
Whether negative review allowance is a bad thing is up for debate...
 
Currently, there are 1800 banned reviewers, out of which:
- 1660 (92.2%) users are banned for Triage reviews in one way or another
- 1312 (72.9%) users are banned for selecting "Requires Editing" in Triage when the question was unsalvagable
Congratulations on 1800!!
 
\o/
 
3:04 PM
totally part of the 92%
Picked 'Looks OK' on a question that was closed as off-topic
 
Zoe
ok
 
If it takes getting banned to lead us to these meta posts, I think it's probably worth the pain. Should be mandatory reading before we're allowed access to Triage!
 
@SamuelLiew Have I just been review-banned? (Menu tells me "there are no review queues available to you" but I didn't get any message!)
 
@AdrianMole Probably, the system doesn't tell you that you've been review-banned
 
Go to stackoverflow.com/review to find out
 
3:11 PM
That's the only real indicator for most people
 
Welcome to the 92%
 
That's one of the stricter bannings o.o
 
Zoe
:GWchadThonkery:
 
It's basically the same as my ban
Okaying a question that gets closed
 
I don't remember saying the ban was wrong, Sam
 
But it was a single-handed close by "he who banned me." Do I just wait it out, or is there any chance of an appeal, @Sam?
 
Happy to eat the two weeks, thanks
 
@AdrianMole since that was borderline I've already unbanned you
carry on
 
Zoe
Eating weeks is bad for you. You should stay with human food instead
 
3:16 PM
Can't, it's all being bought out by coronavirus hoarders
 
Zoe
City problems
 
Thanks, Sam. If it helps, I seem to remember that I was 'dithering' a bit before I gave it the "Looks OK" (but, of course, I would say that, wouldn't I).
 
CV or skip in Triage, that's my advice
my userscript only looks at Requires Editing and Looks OK
goodnight
 
Aah! So you've added Looks OK to the hit-list. (IIRC, it was only Requires Editing when you first opened this room.)
 
@AdrianMole Nope, you just missed the message:
> but if the question is particularly bad I'll also review ban those that selected "Looks OK" with the standard canned reason.
Literally the 13th message in the room ;p
 
3:22 PM
@Nick Well-remembered! And you also jogged my own defective memory.
 
That userscript makes for interesting reading
 
hm no. I've more or less automated the workflow now. The only things I do manually is to see if the question can be closed, and verify bans if the next ban duration is 32 days or more
if 4,8, or 16 days, my userscript applies the relevant ban message and submits the form automatically now
 
Sam you're meant to be going to sleep
bye
o/
;p
 
const defaultBanMessage = `Your recent [reviews](https://${location.hostname}/users/current?tab=activity&sort=reviews) wasn't helpful. Please review the history of the posts and consider how choosing a different action would help achieve those outcomes more quickly.`;

...
triageQuestionReqEdits: `Your review on {POSTLINK} wasn't helpful. "Requires Editing" should only be used when other community users (*like you*) are able to edit/format the question into a better shape. If a question is unsalvagable/unanswerable and/or can only be improved by the author, please flag/vote to close or dele
 
First line should be "weren't helpful", or wrap the s in [reviews] in parentheses ^^
 
3:26 PM
@Psychemaster thanks, it's one of my more useful userscripts. You should take a look at the rest github.com/samliew/SO-mod-userscripts/blob/master/README.md
 
It says a lot about how broken triage currently is, which I guess is the point
 
that's right, the point is that I'm making a point, otherwise the issue will just get swept under the rug like the other [feature-requests] as you can see here meta.stackoverflow.com/…
and they only have 4 devs IIRC
goodnight!
 
Zoe
@SamuelLiew You could try rushing it now: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/345032/… .
 
@Zoe starting monday
 
at least 3 CMs are aware of this Triage thing now, which is good
 
Zoe
3:34 PM
@Nick ssssh
 
no u
 
Zoe
No u!
 
4:08 PM
@Nick Bullshit. Most reviewers are doing the best they can with the given information. There have been countless examples of reviews where people picked the wrong option in good faith. They mis-guessed. Period.
 
How are the days you get banned calculated ? I just started review queues yesterday and reviewed something like 40-50 questions and today i received a 1 month ban was i that bad ?
 
Based off something Sam said earlier, automatic bans are meant to be of escalating duration (2, 4, 8, 16, 32 and so forth)
There's a possibility that in those 40-50 there were several incorrect reviews that combined to give a longer ban duration
 
if you're rebanned within 1 month(?) of another automatic ban it doubles the previous length
 
well i just got the right to review yesterday
 
The system expects you to be perfect. It does not care that you helped with up to 50 questions and got 49 of them right. It only cares that you got one wrong. This is why the turnover rate of reviewers is so high.

I'm sure you're going to get somehow blamed for your imperfections, when it is objectively a design flaw.
 
4:12 PM
i get that but isnt a 1 month ban for the first ban ever a bit long ?
 
@Lapskaus I believe the bans right now are being issued depending on how many bad reviews were performed, 1=2 days, 2=4days, 3=8days, etc. @SamuelLiew will need to clarify, depending on how blatant the issues with the posts you reviewed are, there's a high likelihood of you being unbanned if you can identify where you went wrong, I'd suggest you read about the queue in the meta posts linked by your ban to try and understand what was wrong and then speak to Sam when he's free
 
There seems to be quite a heavy hand on the triage queue specifically lately
 
Yes, because it causes additional issues in other queues as well, we're trying to make a point about the issues within it. We want people reviewing, we just want people doing it correctly
We're all well aware of its problems
 
I get that and i am 100 % sure that i completely misused the "needs edit" button which is also the review that seems to have lead to the ban
 
@Forklift17 Your review is blatantly wrong that post is unsalvagable no questions asked and you can hardly talk about reviewing 50 questions and getting 49 right with your 4 triage reviews
@Lapskaus Yep, so don't be too concerned, we're just trying to bring it to your attention so you can learn, you'll just need to be patient as Sam's timezone means he can't really get on at this time
 
4:17 PM
I think he went to bed earlier
 
He did, i think it's about 3am for him atm
somewhere between 1 and 3 anyway IIRC
 
I think Sam is in the range UTC+8 to UTC+10.
 
Profile says +8 so I'd go with that
 
yeah, he comes online around 8AM UTC
 
That is exactly the attitude that I'm talking about.

With one side of your mouth, you say this: "We want people reviewing"

But with the other side of your mouth, you say this: "We're all well aware of its problems"

In other words, lenience for you, but not for us. Great standard you have going there. /s

Multiple suggestions have been given to you for how to fix this mess. It is a complete double-standard that you expect us to be perfect with our reviews while kicking the can down the road again and again with such a poorly designed system.
 
4:22 PM
There is nothing we can do to fix this mess, we don't work for SE, if you want it fixed go upvote meta posts
We're just trying to reduce the bad reviews while waiting for the issues to be resolved
 
I don't think the intent is to prevent people reviewing - that's just an unfortunate by-product of the approach that is being taken to alert people higher up the food chain that something needs to be changed regarding the triage queue.
 
^
 
There is a very nice meta post that goes into detail about what those changes might be
 
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Q: Is the review moderation process flawed?

Igor F.After having been repeatedly banned for allegedly "bad" reviews, I'm under the impression that the moderating process is inherently flawed and in need of repair. Or maybe the whole Stack Exchange concept is flawed? For the start: I know how the Triage Queue works. In this most recent case, taki...

 
Zoe
@Forklift17 We do want people reviewing, but in the same way you'd want paperwork done: correctly. Wrongly handled paperwork can cause a lot of extra work. Same with reviews. If reviewers keep handling things incorrectly, it causes more work to clean it up. The bans are to make sure you become aware of your own mistakes, to avoid them in the future
9
 
4:29 PM
Then perhaps part of the solution might include better resources, to make it clear what is wrong and what is not.
 
Yeah, we've been waiting for that for a while...
 
Zoe
Using bans is currently the only efficient way. If you want resources, go support feature requests for it. And trust me, triage isn't the only area we need better resources and overall improvements
 
As has been said multiple times, that is the wrong way to fix the problem. Users see bans as hostile. Users see bans as a clear statement that their services are not wanted. Guess what's going to happen in those cases? They'll spend their time elsewhere.

As I said earlier, I would like to see some sort of training program where us new reviewers can get the mistakes out of our system. I am not going to let this point go until you acknowledge it: The system is set up to make reviewers fail. Even the best of them will occasionally make mistakes.
 
@Forklift17 We do acknowledge it, but there is nothing we can do about it, the whole point behind this is to highlight the issues so that SE will do something about it - And we get to teach users how to review properly along the way
 
Zoe
users also see votes and general moderation as hostile. I guarantee you someone, somewhere sees the pure mention and/or involvement of a specific person as hostile.
Consider a ban whatever you want, but it's still there. It's also an opportunity for people to ask how to better handle cases like whatever triggered your ban
 
4:34 PM
Causing harm to the quality of the site and its review process is also hostile. And that impacts more users and visitors then a single rogue reviewer.
 
Zoe
^
Also, no part of the system wants you to fail. And yes, everyone does make mistakes, but unbans are also handed out
 
I recognize that it will take time to get a fix. I'm willing to wait.

What I'm NOT willing to wait for is for comments such as these:

"and you can hardly talk about reviewing 50 questions and getting 49 right with your 4 triage reviews"

to cease. Learn to take constructive criticism from those below you, not just those above you.
 
@Forklift17 We have been waiting for several years, and that was more a criticism of your trying to play off your understanding off the issues present, when it appears you're not aware of how deeply seated they are
 
Zoe
You are aware there's basically a tutorial on meta, right?
... assuming I can find it again xd
 
this one Zoe?
 
Zoe
4:38 PM
that's the one
 
It's a featured question, not hard to find nowadays
 
Zoe
yeah, I don't pay attention to featured questions when looking for stuff :')
 
It's also linked by Sam's answer here, which is linked to in his ban messages I believe
 
Zoe
When in doubt, skip
If you're guessing, you're doing it wrong
 
I have one of Sam's automatic ban messages Nick, that link isn't there
 
4:40 PM
@Nick so you admit (and have admitted) that the ultimate problem is a design flaw. The leap you need to make is that it is first and foremost a design flaw, much much more than a user flaw.
 
Ahh, guess not, thanks @Psychemaster
 
It might have been in a past iteration, I guess
@Forklift17 Yes it's a design flaw, but nobody in this room is in a position where they can do anything to fix it.
 
Zoe
@Forklift17 We're working with what we have. Until the system is improved, we need to deal with what we have at hand. Don't blame the system for making mistakes
 
@Forklift17 The only thing I mentioned re: user error was poor use of the word guess, if you're not sure skip. Well aware it's a design flaw
 
@Zoe you need to hang out more here ;)
 
4:42 PM
^ +1
 
I think I even highlighted the fact I was talking about guessing
 
Zoe
@rene oh, I will. Schools have been shut down for at least 2 weeks, with no final end date. Probably not until at least summer tho
 
Oh no xd
 
I think the whole of Europe has just been shut down by Pres. Thump.
 
Heh, not us ;p
 
4:44 PM
"no part of the system wants you to fail"

That strongly suggests that you do not understand how your own system works. Is it not true that one single misvote can earn a reviewer a ban? That's a Geometric Distribution. Look it up.

I'll admit that I'm saying this partly out of frustration, but I'm going to come out and say it: If it takes this long to fix this broken of a system, then triage needs to be taken offline until it can be fixed. I get that you guys are unpaid volunteers, and I know that you've put in a lot more work than I know, but that doesn't solve the problem. Maybe it's an..
 
Zoe
shut out, sure
 
I thought it only covered the Schengen area (most of Europe, but not all)
 
Zoe
but imagine going to America :GWChadThinkEyes:
 
@Forklift17 Sure, send an email to SE, trust us, we've tried ^^
Of course, no hard feelings in a passionate argument, I care as much about this site as the next person
 
@Forklift17 wait, yes, we're unpaid. Do you get a salary for all this?
 
4:46 PM
@Forklift17 Exactly why do you want to participate in review? Why is not participating "punishment"? What does it get you?
 
rene I thought you go paid in fertilizer? I mean.... I get paid, where do you think all my popcorn comes from >.>
 
Zoe
@Forklift17 Again, and this is going to be the last time I repeat it: what happens to review is completely out of our hands. They should do quite a lot of things, but they're also dealing with a massive backlog atm. Sit back, relax, and and skip if you're in doubt. Worrying about what they should do is just gonna cause frustration. Trust me, been there, done that
 
@yivi I meant what I said. I am amused by the fact that you think I carelessly chose the word "guess." I was not referring to myself, and if I did explicitly claim that I misguessed, I am willing to take THAT part back.
 
@Forklift17 I'm glad that you are amused.
 
@Zoe I feel like if everyone were to follow that advice, the triage queue would grow to unmanageable levels from all the skipping
 
Zoe
4:49 PM
@Psychemaster no, because where you're in doubt, someone else knows (and the other way around)
 
Which might indeed clear the burden from some of the other queues that are getting stuff wrongly dumped on them, but is ultimately just moving a problem around
 
@Psychemaster It's got a cap IIRC, and would beat bad things being chucked into H&I or marked OK
 
Zoe
Mishandling in triage has made H&I a "skip and flag" clusterfuck
 
Wouldn't know, I don't have the rep for it
 
Some kind advice, when you do... don't bother
 
Zoe
4:51 PM
^
 
With all due respect, I'm going to not take that advice
 
Np, just making sure you were warned
 
Zoe
it's so bad that steward for H&I should be a platinum badge and come with rep xd
 
It's so bad there's only been 16 reviews in the queue all day today...
combined
 
Zoe
4:58 PM
oof!
 
I don't know if that's a good thing or not.
 
And half of them are mine. I average 10 skips to every post that's even worth editing at all.
 
What the hell is that supposed to mean?? When I saw that link to triage, it had all the appearance of being an inviting link. A way of StackOverflow to say, "hey, you've done some good work here, we'd like you to take things to the next level."

That's inviting. That's open. Yes there are rules, and yes, I read them. So be it that I did not get every fine point right--mistakes happen, especially early on.

The entire experience is entirely different than that. And frankly I'm running out of spoons to try to explain why.
 
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