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7:00 PM
@Scratte the room will be switched to public once the meeting starts. Anyone can talk then
 
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@CodyGray I can, but apparently it won't be without consequences ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@CodyGray I didn't add that. It was there
 
@RiggsFolly Yeah, it was pointed out to me that it was in an HTML comment in the original question. I'm not sure where that template came from, or what was going on there.
 
@CodyGray I guess it was my carless edit. Now I cannot even find the question in question in order to fix it:)
 
I already removed that, and added some bold to the "headings".
 
7:06 PM
Oh, you fixed it, sorry and thanks
 
No problem. I was just worried you'd gone insane when it looked like you added that top, all-caps note to the question!
 
understandable.... the me going insane part that is
 
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@CodyGray reminds me of someone's tweets
 
Cody does not speak for the room. We never thought you were sane :P
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@Machavity Phew, thats a relief. That would be too much to have to live up to
 
7:09 PM
For me, likewise
I can barely even manage to speak coherently for myself.
 
This chat is now like looking at a night sky.
 
You don't live in a city..
 
heh
good morning all you weird wild wonderful people =D
 
good evening
 
good early afternoon
 
7:23 PM
Good $LocalChatTime
 
@Das_Geek I hope you sanitized that input
 
@TylerH Just look at my case choice for that variable. Do you think that thing is sanitized?
 
I dunno, I always mix cases myself
 
$LolCatTime
 
For me it's always been StrongCase for classes, camelCase for member functions/properties, lower_case_with_underscores for regular functions/variables
 
7:35 PM
I rarely use the normal capitalized first letter case
In situations where I use naming schemes like datatype and function, I typically use camelcase, like strFullName
 
If you can't decide mix it all up: MyVar_iscOOL
 
I only use UpperCamelCase when I'm defining a JS class (helps keep the usage separate)
Cool programmers just use random characters. $x = new Y($a, $b, $c)
 
ugh
 
lowerCamelCase and UpperCamelCase looks like nice country roads. Any_case_with_underscore looks a road with potholes.
 
Should this be flagged as NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/30652328/1839439
 
7:40 PM
@Dharman It looks like it's attempting to provide at least one solution, if not several.
 
@Dharman Second half is an answer
 
Even the first part is suggesting something to try.
I think the "please let me know" may be just an attempt to be humble and indicate they're always on the lookout for something better.
Could certainly do with some edits.
 
I am not sure how to edit it. It reads to me like they had a similar, but different issue and they posted a solution to their own problem
 
I've given an edit just now
 
@gparyani Thanks for the ping. I'm sorry I wasn't around. I was dealing with some issues in real life. I certainly agree that those need to be changed to something more intuitively understandable.
 
7:44 PM
There's a few words missing in the edit :)
 
@Scratte Yes, I removed more words than I added
 
@TylerH lol! I meant readability words, if that's even a term
 
readability is a term, but I'm not sure what you mean
Are you referring to the edit description, and the fact it only says "cleanup"?
Or do you think there are actually words missing from the post body that need to be there?
 
@TylerH There were few words missing in the original too
 
7:50 PM
I did re-read it and added a missing "to"
 
@TylerH Just by reading it, I noticed a missing letter and a few missing words. The post is understandable though. Example: "is unclear, it my be the"
 
otherwise I don't see any missing words
ah, a typo. Thanks; fixed my -> may
 
Now it's perfect :)
 
Well, it's written in British English, so I dunno about "perfect" :-P
 
I've never seen the word "learnt" before, so that was an educational post for me :)
 
7:53 PM
You mean you've just learnt the word learnt?
 
That's British English. In American English, it would be "learned"; in British English, "learnt" is more common. They mean exactly the same thing. They're just alternate spellings.
That is generally true for many past-tense regular verbs (e.g., spilled/spilt, burned/burnt, spelled/spelt, etc.)
Strangely, not all past-tense regular verbs. Which, I would argue, makes American English more consistent here, since even the Brits used "-ed" endings for past-tense verbs like "observed".
 
@Dharman: Heh.. Yes :) Very colourful :)
 
Next we'll learn it's "plait", not "played"!
 
To make it more interesting, we might say that "a learned man has learned many things" - and the two instances of learned are pronounced differently. "Learn-edd" versus "learn'd".
 
Next, we'll learn why Brits live in a flat of a particular colour and watch the telly while on holiday.
Whereas, Americans live in an apartment of a particular color and watch TV while on vacation.
 
7:57 PM
And why they are so bloody preoccupied with "the war"
 
Same reason Americans keep talking about what happened in 'Nam.
 
Brits are sore winners, Americans are sore losers :=)
 
We still find unexploded bombs. Recently one was found in London
 
The only really annoying difference is billion.
 
I used to hope that when I would text my friends that "my house looks like a bomb has gone off" it would make hours of extra paperwork for MI5. Now that everyone uses encrypted WhatsApp, they are spared the extra work.
 
8:00 PM
I believe the Brits have synchronized with Americans on that now, @Scratte. Not that it helps when reading historical documents. But there's no end of confusion there: changes to currency, calendars, titles, ...
 
@CodyGray They have. officially :) Not everyone agrees.
 
@CodyGray Yep, the Brits left the EU like we left the Empire. If only we had thought to call the American Revolution "Brexit"
 
@Machavity Oh dang. Never thought of that one. It’s brilliant!
Makes me wish I was still teaching American history.
 
The confusion about a Billion is not lessened in Danish, as it's still a million millions and there's a different word for a thousand million.
 
@Scratte Same with most European languages. Only Brits and Irish are different I believe.
 
8:08 PM
@Dharman What's your word for a a thousand million?
 
@CodyGray it probably has to do with the odd digraph of "vt" for "observt"
 
@Scratte So there's a million ways to say "million"? If you need help understanding the difference between that and a billion, we've got you covered
 
@Scratte In English I use Billion. In Polish I say Miliard.
 
Unless we're talking about the US debt. Then we use kajillion
 
@TylerH Already a Smokey report. Should be spammed out
 
8:11 PM
Eh, it's not really spam
 
@Dharman Ahh.. bridging the gap. We say milliard :)
 
It's not promoting a product, it's soliciting work help
 
@Machavity Time will come for those. So far it's only Trillions :D
 
@Scratte Most people are already there. 22 trillion vs 1 kajilion
 
@TylerH I refer you to this answer
 
8:14 PM
@Machavity ..and a search gets you to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indefinite_and_fictitious_numbers with a note that (Redirected from Kajillion)
 
@TylerH There is no end of counter-examples. Arguably most of them would have odd digraphs, but that’s what makes the AmE form more consistent and productive, I think.
There’s also “packed”, which I’m pretty sure Brits don’t spell as “packt”
 
I think it's spelt "pact"
 
That’s a different thing...
 
@rene Given the rude comment by the OP, I went red-flag on the question
 
I don't see any comment from the OP
not sure what I should think of Reg's comment
 
8:24 PM
@rene This is a troll account. Flag R/A
 
Sorry, forgot that was on Meta. MS report. The rude comment was there
 
Account should be nuked actually.
 
@Machavity Given the utter nonsensicalness, so did I.
 
Panta made a canned comment on the Meta.SE and got a rude response (got red-flagged out really fast)
 
Those canned comments are stupid...
There’s no reason to leave canned comments in blatant trolling.
 
8:29 PM
What is a canned comment for R/A?
 
@Dharman There isn't. We have one for borderline spam, in case the user isn't quite aware it's off-limits
 
No, these are canned comments like, “Hello, my good buddy! You have somehow ended up on our Meta site, where this question is off-topic. Pray tell, how did you end up here, instead of on the main site? Oh well, best of day to you, good sir!”
 
I think Cody is referring to the auto-created comment when using a custom close reason
 
No... Panta, Sonic, and others actually have a script that posts these auto-comments when folks ask an off-topic question on MSE. I’ve asked them to stop, but meh.
> Hi Dwight Shrute, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here.
With a bunch of links sprinkled in there, which I’m far too lazy to recreate on mobile.
 
@CodyGray ah, ew
 
8:37 PM
It’s rather like trying to engage in a conversation with a talking trashcan.
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Supposedly they do work sometimes
 
Yes, it spoke first, but don’t expect a response.
 
@CodyGray it is the Lost Soul script: stackapps.com/questions/8122/saviour-of-lost-souls
 
“Post a welcoming comment anyway” … it’s like a meme at this point
The whole thing is incredibly patronizing, generates a lot of unneeded noise, and is just utterly pointless. Closing the question as off-topic is plenty of signal.
 
@CodyGray Well, there's welcoming and then there's welcoming
The SOCVR room meeting is about to start. Please enter the chat room to participate
 
8:48 PM
Are you welcoming us there, @Machavity?
 
@CodyGray All are welcome. To sit and watch the pretty timeout numbers
 
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user10957435
Are those numbers the number of seconds until the meeting starts?
 
@Chipster Yes
 
user10957435
Ah. Thanks. I was wondering.
 
8:51 PM
rene has removed an event from this room's schedule.
 
@Feeds too late
 
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@Machavity so that's what @rene meant by "annoying"
 
refresh the tab you have the room meeting open in to make sure it picks up the changed state.
 
Yeah, chat hasn't gotten much love from devs
 
balpha built the whole thing. I’d say that was pretty loving :-)
 
8:57 PM
@Machavity s/much/any/
 
9:27 PM
@TylerH The link to the auto-comment change
 
@Das_Geek thanks
 
 
user10957435
9:58 PM
@YaakovEllis Btw: I'm down to test stuff out if you need me to.
 
user10957435
Or give general feedback.
 
if you are interested in giving input into the UX and feature changes we are working on for review queues, please email me at yaakov@ linking to your profile (and be sure to turn on research on your email settings). I can't guarantee that everyone who emails me will be contacted, but I will be happy to forward your info to the UX researcher and designer who are working on this and going through user interviews at the moment
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(if you ping me here, I will lose it, email is better for this)
 
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@YaakovEllis Alright. Sounds good.
 
10:26 PM
chat can continue here ...
 
@YaakovEllis Glad to know, and glad to have participated in one such interview!
 
10:42 PM
 
@Scratte Apropos of your last message in the SOCVR Room Meeting room, I think the problem is that you're overthinking it. You're trying to approach this a bit too much like a programmer, making it too rigorous with the aim to eliminate all doubt. That is never going to work.
 
Thinking like a programmer? Commence the throwing of stones!
 
@CodyGray Would you mind freezing the meeting room?
 
@StephenKennedy I thought you already did?
Oh. I guess that's a mod-only feature. What's the advantage of that, versus your changing it to gallery?
 
@CodyGray I thought about that too. As I'm involved in myself it's hard to go outside and look at the bigger picture, but.. the little subtleties of what to do are in those posts. Like the one you and Andras helped me "decrypt" yesterday. It might have been in one of those posts that I already read and I simply forgot, but I had no idea that downvoting was required.
 
10:52 PM
@CodyGray I don't know. This was my first room meeting as a RO. All I know is that we usually have the room frozen after the meeting.
 
@CodyGray Frozen means nobody will ask us for access
 
Frozen means nobody will ask us for access
I knew that :)
ty
 
@Machavity Yeah right.
You mean I can click a single button and stop people from asking dumb questions?
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@CodyGray You can try :D
 
11:15 PM
@Scratte Seems that your scope-creeping issue has been resolved. Great! But please (and no judgement intended) remember - we don't hold grudges on SO. Issue solved, so move on!
 
@AdrianMole: Yes, it did. I don't think I have any grudges. Did I miss something?
 
Not at all - just adding a few 'words of wisdom'.
 
Hey guys, can someone with an html-gold-badge fix these duplicate banners?
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4488317/difference-between-button-and-input
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9546574/what-is-the-difference-between-these-two-buttons
 
From the quality of your answer, and the fact that you came here seeking advice, I would venture to suggest that you're the kind of folks this place needs. Good luck.
 
11:19 PM
@AdrianMole: Oh. Good :) I wouldn't. It's not very constructive and the entire thing made me investigate the new issue and I created a Question out of it :)
 
Uh-oh. Another Meta question?
 
I've self-banned me from Meta (for a wee while) ... can't handle the backlash.
 
What backlash?
 
Downvotes on old Qs!!!
 
@AdrianMole It wasn't your question.
 
11:22 PM
... I lost 4 rep points
 
It wasn't backlash, people just simply found the question through your meta post. They didn't like it and down voted.
 
@Dharman Probable cross-cjat?
 
@AdrianMole Wait, how?
 
After I posted that question on Meta, I was hit with two DVs on old questions - its the price you pay for being in the "Meta Community!"
... no big deal, BTW.
 
It continues to blow my mind how irrational otherwise rational people get about votes.
 
11:25 PM
eh?
 
ZOMG someone disagreed with me and expressed that disagreement by clicking a vote button!
 
@Cody - No problem with that - but, when you get a very 'planned' 2 DVs in a few minutes of each other, on otherwise 'dead' questions, one can't help but feel there's an ulterior motive? But, like I said, I can live with it...
... if there were 3 DVs, Community Bot would step in!
 
First people complain about "random"/"unplanned" downvotes, now you're complaining about "planned" downvotes. I can't keep up!
The bot only addresses targeted downvotes. There could easily be 3 different people who all found your questions and thought they were "unclear or not useful".
 
We'd like to think that we live in a world that's fair. When we're reminded that it's not, we just react. The reaction is probably also the precursor to civilization, so all in all, it may also be constructive.
 
Sure, I have absolutely no evidence - just odd - stuff happens (like the 'charity' upvote I think I just got).
 
11:34 PM
You do have to keep in mind that Stack Overflow is a huge site with a worldwide audience. Votes trickle in on "old" posts all the time. I get a dozen or so of them each day. There's not necessarily any connection to other actions you've taken.
 
I know all that, of course! Maybe I'm just being over-sensitive (it goes with the mental condition, you know).
To paraphrase somebody famous: "Coincidences are Stack Overflow's way of remaining anonymous."
 
See also: apophenia
 
Speaking of paranoia... Is this a potential abuse? stackoverflow.com/questions/60130794/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/60195836/…
 
PHP questions? Yeah, looks abusive to me, @Dharman. What, specifically?
 
Well the question looked similar to me, so I compared it and the user has the same avatar. Not sure what to think of it.
 
11:42 PM
Yeah.... okay. I didn't really see the similarity there.
As I may have mentioned, some mods are rather dense. You have to hold our hands.
Umm, I'll deal with it.
 
Windows update ... back soon!
 
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@Dharman What happened there exactly? sock-puppets?
 
@M-- I suppose so. I guess it is now at mod discretion.
 
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hmm... ok
@CodyGray Hold my Hand
 
@M-- Question-ban evasion accounts. They've been cleaned up. Please use mod flags when you have suspicions like this. The lesson, of course, is please don't assume moderators will know what you suspect. You need to tell us that they're extremely similar questions, with the same avatar, etc. Whatever you've noticed that makes you suspicious.
 
11:54 PM
@CodyGray Got it. I mean sock puppets are not always abusive, so I am not always sure if it is an abuse or not.
There are mod accounts who have the save avatar as other users, so it is not so obvious.
 
@Dharman The rule with duplicate accounts is that you cannot use a second account to do something that your first account is not permitted to do. So, creating duplicate accounts to ask the same question over and over is going to be an abuse of the system. It's always an abuse of the system to create accounts to evade system-imposed restrictions, like question bans.
Naturally, you as a regular user cannot know when a user is question-banned, but you can smell stuff like this from what you can see, like your knowledge of similarities between questions.
Oh yeah, please go ahead and flag all ninja accounts as sockpuppets of Martijn. I'll get those cleaned up in a jiff. :-p
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(I see that got starred, so I should reiterate that's a joke. Don't really do that. There's a long-standing user who actually had that avatar way before Martijn even did.)
 
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