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12:30 AM
I have flagged the "troll" account from SD above.
 
12:41 AM
@halfer Why mod-flag? Just R/A is enough IMO
I just lost 34 rep... Why can't people understand that you need to spread your serial down votes apart or they will be reversed.
 
12:58 AM
@Dharman Fair enough, I did not know there was an established policy for this. I will do that next time.
 
1:36 AM
Curiosity: Do spam and r/a flags get 'merged'? So, if a post gets 6 spam or 6 r/a flags it goes down the shute - but how abut if it gets, say, 3 spam + 3 r/a?
… OK self-answered here: meta.stackexchange.com/a/58035/616624: "Otherwise, the system does not differentiate between these flag types when counting the number of flags it has towards the thresholds to automatically downvote or delete."
 
 
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M--
3:25 AM
Not a gold-badger yet, but is it ok if we answer a question and then dupe-hammer it?
I just came across an example of this
 
M--
@Machavity Is there a way to check when the question has been closed here: stackoverflow.com/questions/46799090/… (following the advice on meta to look for events timeline). I know if it was edited, I could look at the edit history, but this one is not edited ever.
 
@M-- There are times when a significant part of a question can be addressed by a dupe but there are one or two elements that are specific to that Q. I have posted answers in such cases: addressing the immediate problem the OP is facing, but including a link to the dupe for 'further reading'. But I would then leave it for others to VTC.
 
3:42 AM
@M-- Are you wanting the timeline for the answer you linked, or the question? The full date & time of when the question was closed is available as a tooltip in the closed notice. The question says it was closed "2 years ago". The tooltip on that says: "2018-10-17 21:10:50Z". These tooltips with exact UTC timestamps are available on basically all the human readable times on SE.
 
M--
@Makyen amazing, thank you for the tips. I am not comfortable with gold-badger closing the question 5 minutes after they answer. Does it worth flagging or just leaving a comment suffices?
 
4:09 AM
We could delete it. Not sure that's the best solution, tho. Comments are meaningless 2+ years later. Not sure a mod flag will be sustained
 
M--
@Machavity I am not +20ker yet, so cannot vote to delete an answer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@M-- The question, not the answer. Can't delete answers >=0
 
M--
@Machavity second time in three days that someone reminds me of that :|
 
And while I'm not an R person, I have no idea why that is even a dupe
 
@M-- Personally, I consider it inappropriate. The gold badge holder should either answer or close, not both. If they feel it should have an answer, that argues strongly that it's not a duplicate. If they really feel the answer should stay, but it's actually a duplicate, then making the answer a community wiki would be more reasonable. However, the general leaning on Meta, as I understand it, is that answering and closing is frowned upon, but not prohibited.
 
4:14 AM
That ^^
 
M--
Thanks everyone. I voted to delete but won't post a request since I already have posted 4 today. Will circle back to it later.
@Machavity If you look at the accepted answer in the dupe target, you'll see that gold-badger answer is just changing arguments of ave function. Dupe question is basically asking for assigning ids to each group which is same as dupe target. In any case, you probably don't need to learn R. I myself am moving away from it :D
 
@M-- So M is moving from R to C? :P
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M--
LOL
 
On that note, off to bed
 
@M-- Something in defense of the gold badge holder is that there were only 12 seconds between when the question was closed and when their answer was accepted. Once the answer was accepted, the gold badge holder would not have been able to delete it. So it's possible they intended to delete after closing, but couldn't. OTOH, they still could have made it a community wiki. Although, changing the answer to CW isn't something everyone thinks about.
 
 
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6:15 AM
I'm now zilched-out on close votes for the remainder of the year - but I still have loads of flags left. We should have a flags-for-votes swapping system in SOCVR! 😉
 
7:01 AM
When you posted your question, you licensed this content to Stack Overflow. It is no longer yours to delete. Please stop vandalizing this post. — tripleee 10 secs ago
 
7:27 AM
the user is on a massive vandalism spreee, I have reverted dozens of vandalized posts ... ironically, this also earned them the "Disciplined" badge
does it make sense for me to continue or should a mod step in and do some sort of bulk reversal=?
 
I got the flag, thanks for rolling back some of the edits
 
thanks, I seem to have them all now and the user is suspended
you can probably ignore the flags I raised on these
 
yeah I got notified because the user tried to vandalize my post stackoverflow.com/posts/59241474/revisions
 
oh they still got to vandalize some of Bhargav's posts too
and other mods'
how unimaginative
I think I got them all now
 
Makes you wonder, when an 8K+ user acts like this, just how 'trustworthy' does the 10K threshold make one?
… hopefully, this sort of thing is pretty rare.
 
7:42 AM
Just imagine what you'll be like at 30K .... mwhahhahahahahahaha
 
Is this a self-duplicate of this? I'm not very familiar with the topic that the OP's asking about, so I'm not sure.
It came up when I was working the queue and I wasn't sure how to vote on it
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica based on the comment of the OP I would say no. But not an expert i that field either. We need @Mogsdad but he is no longer active here.
 
7:59 AM
@rene At 30K, I'll probably either be (permanently) hospitalized or 6 feet under!
 
when you snap, your previous trustworthiness or lack of same isn't really a factor any longer
 
I'm debating if I put please upvote on my tombstone but I'm afraid it might get flagged as NLN ...
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user10957435
8:15 AM
@Dharman I mostly agree, except in this case the same user had already done this like 3 times in a short period. So I actually custom-flagged that one too. But I generally agree that R/A is better :D
 
8:28 AM
@rene Your tombstone will probably have a wee green rectangle with "+15" engraved in it.
 
9:16 AM
@AdrianMole ha!
 
9:43 AM
I mixed-up the URL for my last request, sorry. Plus it was closed already by a mod (and I don't see my CV, but that's fine :) ). @rene, can you delete it, please?
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
@Makyen Thank you
 
@Vega np. I'm happy to help anytime.
 
Yes, I was also happy to help ....
 
Am I impellent to make more mistakes? :D
 
9:58 AM
Please do, I'm sure another RO will fix it ;)
 
Happy New Year, for those in Kiribati!
 
Still 13 hours to go here ...
 
... slackers!
 
lol
Hurry up clock! You are behind ....
 
@rene - So, if you STAR my comment, do I get the "Glasses Hat?"
... we have to keep Machavity in line, you know.
 
10:05 AM
@AdrianMole In theory yes.
 
... 7 hours to go, here in Thailand.
 
 
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1:32 PM
@Machavity thanks for the flag on stackoverflow.com/questions/58270511/why-use-alias-in-sql. I thought Robert Columbia was on SOCVR? Can someone tell him not to edit abusive questions? just flag as rude, we'll nuke them (I don't want to send a mod message, that isn't a serious offence :))
flags have reduced to 0 (yesterday, and now only 58) after days and days of unresolvable custom flags...
 
You want to go into 2020 with an empty queue?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre He's actually in Charcoal right now if you wanna hit him up
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I should also note that was technically vandalism and not a rude post originally. Since you're here, do you want rude flags on rude edits, or just rollbacks?
 
... good question! IIRC, Spam/Vandalism flags in Edit Review don't go the same way as normal Spam flags.
... whatever "Normal Spam" is, I mean.
 
Just to be clear, this was an edit by the OP, not an Edit Queue entry
 
... OK! Way past Beer O'clock here ...
... but what's the correct way to flag spammy edits?
... if original is not spam.
 
1:49 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Hi! Has the guidance changed on vandalism? I was taught way back when that when someone vandalizes one of their old posts that I should revert and consider a custom mod flag, and that red flags were only for posts that were hate speech, gibberish, etc. from the outset. Has that guidance changed? Can you point me to the updated processes or policies?
 
The way I see it: vandalism => rollback. Vandalism + f**k off SO => rude.
 
@Machavity I'd say rude flag.. always. When it's gibberish, I let the benefit of doubt, that it could've be a bad manipulation (recently on OP confessed to have left on edit mode in his pocket/or whatever), so I rollback, but a rude text is rude. The OP knows what they did
 
@RobertColumbia no. Maybe I skipped history of the post. I read the version where OP insults everyone.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre ok. The same user also vandalized this post stackoverflow.com/q/59068233/6471538 . Another user already reverted that one, but I'm concerned over the trend. Two posts vandalized with hate speech is not a good trend. I raised a custom mod flag on the second one.
 
anyway, there's no harm or whatever on that. And I didn't say hi for a while here so....
 
1:51 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre So, if I come across a r/a edit what to do? Rollback + Mod flag?
 
@AdrianMole given the "quality" of the questions, it doesn't matter much :)
if it defaces a salvageable question or/and there are answers, rollback + custom flag maybe. Rude flags may be dismissed if we need to dig into history.
this question is cumulating 4 flags 😀 stackoverflow.com/questions/59068233/…
 
... why?
 
@AdrianMole It's the question being talked about earlier, where OP vandalized the post into a rant against SO
 
@Das_Geek OK, thanks for the claret-fication.
 
Ah Martijn was faster than me: removed the bounty and cleared rude flags out of pity so now question has -6. It doesn't deserve so many downvotes now. But I'm reluctant to upvote someone who insults everyone...
 
1:59 PM
... because I didn't see any edit history to look over.
... now I get the edit history (cache issues maybe, or my head-cache).
 
@AdrianMole If you're of the userscript persuasion, I recommend this script. It adds "revisions" and "timeline" buttons to all posts, for easier perusal :)
 
I'll give it a whirl! (Recently got into user-scripts, thanks to the "Man with the Helmet")
 
Ah yes, engineer is always tinkering
 
... all I want is his "Glasses!"
 
I don't know where I got that but I have a script that adds a diamond symbol next to the profile button. Lots of useful tools there.
 
2:04 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I assume for mods only?
 
I was wondering (didn't dare to try it out) what happens if I try to change my username to include a ♦ character.
 
damn my joke wasn't understood.
 
If you have URRS, it adds a diamond to chat
 
> Oops! There was a problem updating your profile:

Display Name can only contain letters, digits, spaces, apostrophes or hyphens and must start with a letter or digit
So it doesn't work :)
 
... grrr - I'll have to descend deeper into the world of the bad boys, then.
 
2:08 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Ah, I see. Your standard diamond is clickable, TIL. I think the joke going over my head is a sign that I need to be more caffeinated
 
Or me :)
When people don't get your jokes, it's usually because they're bad.
 
I don't know about that. My jokes are bad, but I know people get them because I can hear the facepalms
 
@Das_Geek Think of this kind of reaction
@Machavity I always think of Mordac from that strip. It's very reminiscent of an old coworker haha
 
@klutt please read our faq, specifically section 11. That question was last active six years ago.
 
2:15 PM
@Das_Geek that's a good sign. If people react at least, the joke cannot be that bad.
I've heard about Mike Abineri too much today... I need a break.
 
I blame @halfer. Dang kids editing the banned person's posts!
 
Well, it gets them off the Smokey blacklist at least. Hopefully that'll mean we don't get anymore random edit notifications for a bit
 
Er, someone flagged that?
 
Bored, now - I need some spam to flag!
 
@Machavity yes, I don't think calling editors "dang kids" is very nice.
 
2:20 PM
Maybe I should take a crack at the changes to parsing the revisions endpoint response for Smokey. We shouldn't see reports with "blacklisted user" as the notification if that user isn't the one who made the change
 
Robert I think it's a joke. Since halfer is a regular here.
 
@Machavity Join the club of misunderstood/bad jokes :)
We have three now
 
Here, we're (mostly) irregular.
 
Irony often goes undetected in writing.
 
2:22 PM
... the moving finger writes and, having writ ...
 
@RobertColumbia I'm just poking at halfer with a common trope. Nothing but respect for halfer
 
... still need spam to flag!
 
@AdrianMole Is it for some kind of hat earning purpose?
 
@Vega No, I want my 'end-of-year' flag total to be 540, 'cos 2020/540 is a beautiful number.
 
2:24 PM
Nah. There's a hat for posting at 7pm anywhere in the world... but not for flagging
 
is there a hat for spamming?
 
I was joking :(
 
What annoys me is people flagging such questions as spam: stackoverflow.com/questions/59545253/progress-bar-glitching
 
duly flagged
(can also make your wife go away, on request, but it'll cost you extra)
 
2:27 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I hope so. When you post spam, mods be like
 
My wife just went off to the temple for New Year prayers - left alone with her family...
 
... which is why I want something to FLAG.
 
if she posts a bad question while there, you can.
 
lol
 
2:29 PM
@AdrianMole See? You should have joined her and thanked god you weren't back at home
 
I did!
Buddhist Temples have decent WiFi, these days!
 
@AdrianMole I'm glad I live in a time where this is not even remotely surprising
Plop folks
 
Happy plop year, Kyll!
 
@Machavity Giggle. Serve folks right for mentioning them 'ere! ;=)
 
o/ plop Kyll
 
3:21 PM
though frankly the downvote is because they used "hard" to mean "disk space" (sic)
 
@tripleee Not a criticism, but a question - could an edit be better than a down/close vote in such cricumstances?
.. circumstances, I mean.
... but it's unfocussed, anyway, no MCVE, &c.
 
I think that's the first time I've seen &c used outside of archaic texts. Well done
 
... hey, I'm one of the Old Ones.
 
1800s old? Coz that's about when I stopped seeing it used
It was an old colonial-America-era cookbook
 
I woz borne, yeer of Our Lord, one fouzand, 8-een hunnerd an tweleves. (Ides of March).
 
3:30 PM
See, now you're just from the North
 
Y'all taking the p*ss now.
 
As an American, I reserve the right to make fun of all English accents (excepting the BBC one), and imitate them poorly, at will
 
^
... BTW Most 'Americans' speak Spanish as their native tongue!
 
Really? Would have thought Portugese
 
... but bad Spanish, according to my Castillian guru.
heh
How many Millions is a Braziilion?
 
3:36 PM
I don't know, Pacifically
Sorry, that's Puerto Rico
 
Enough! What are the chances I can post a decent enough answer to get +17 rep before Year's End?
 
Lol
Isn't that in like 4 hours for you?
 
On SO, I always mean UTC. (But I'm in UTC+7 - 1.5 hrs left till Bong.)
... I could try posting an answer here: stackoverflow.com/questions/59544528/…
... (just kidding)
 
Ah, from your profile I would have thought still UK and thus more or less UTC.
I'm -6 I think
 
UK resident, Thailand frequent visitor. (No Thailand jokes, please, I'm in a rural zone with no tourists!)
 
3:43 PM
Fair enough
 
@Das PS: Have you checked out The Tavern?
 
@AdrianMole I have, but I generally don't have the willpower to scroll through the backlog that inevitably builds up due to me not having the willpower to keep up with the chat
 
.Yeah, you have to talk to be heard.
... just say something daft (much as that's against your nature) and you'll get reasonable responses.
 
It is a Tavern. How on earth do you get reasonable responses there?
 
Meh, I already have a few IRC channels for that kind of thing. Nothing against SE folks, though :)
 
4:00 PM
@rene - Well, when you're not there, we do!
... oops - r/a?
Still looking for 5 spam flags, BTW!
... but you're always there.
 
user10957435
4:18 PM
Me reading fast:
 
user10957435
Why my float didn't do what i expect?
 
user10957435
Me: Sigh another dupe of "If floating point math brok--oh, wait. It's talking about CSS..."
 
@rene I blame the room owners over there. Letting it get unruly. Nothing like SOCVR ROs
 
hehe
 
Rules are a bit hazy there ...
 
4:22 PM
rules or rulers?
Ooh - I got a red blob on my review queue icon - shall I tempt fate and end the year with a, "Stop! Look! Listen!" ??
 
@AdrianMole You might get run over by a bus reindeer
 
Reindeer are my friends! After all, Rudolph (in the song) would have been Comet, but for my intervention.
... I'm one of Santa's Little Helpers, you know!
 
5:04 PM
สวัสดีปีใหม่
 
@AdrianMole สวัสดีทศวรรษใหม่
 
In Thailand, it's now 2563! 😊
 
time flies there ...
 
5:26 PM
But, seriously, folks...
... I'm tired and I wanna go to be. I had a little drink about an hour ago, and it's gone right to my head.
... Bye Bye - See y'all next year. Happy Hunting!
 
 
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6:49 PM
@AdrianMole Ahhh... I don't think this is correct. I'd agree with "most residents of North or South America don't have English as their native language". However, given that there isn't a universal non-English native language, I don't think it's accurate to say that >=50% of the residents of North and South America speak any one language as their native tongue.
Of the languages, it looks like Spanish has the largest number of native speakers, but a rough look at the numbers indicates that it doesn't get to >= 50%.
Basically, given that Brazil generally has Portuguese as their native language, that would mean that 63.2% of the other people in the Americas would need to share a native language. It looks like the split of the rest is not that lopsided. Spanish does have more than half of those remaining, but it's not enough.
 
 
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Is the hat for posting at 7:00 for posting exactly at 7:00?
 
@JL2210 Posting on the hour, for any hour (since it's 7pm somewhere)
 
It's just a question, right?
 
Yes
 
8:44 PM
Hmm, what to ask...
 
How should one approach this question from a 70K+ user stackoverflow.com/questions/59548247/…
 
Close it just like any other question if it's bad. Who it's from doesn't matter at all.
 
@JL2210 How I make program in Unix? Plaes halp or I fail life!
 
 
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10:00 PM
@Machavity Do seconds count?
 
10:24 PM
@Machavity Try rm -rf /
2
 
@Machavity
$ make program
make: *** No rule to make target 'program'. Stop.
 
10:47 PM
@JL2210 Flag as what?
 
@Dharman VLQ
I had a couple of mod flags that I didn't give a detailed-enough explanation on and a few NAA's on some link-only-answers that weren't link-only-answers.
 
@JL2210 I don't see why I would flag it. It is written with poor English, but it is still an answer. Why do you think it is not an answer?
 
VLQ, not NAA. It's not understandable at all.
 
@JL2210 Then this is what downvotes are for, not VLQ. I do not want to get flag ban as well :D
 
Can an RO nuke this?
 
11:00 PM
@JL2210 Close the Q instead. I admire you for wanting to flag as much as possible, but let's focus on what is really important to be deleted. If the Q gets closed we can then delete the whole thread in one go.
 
I am off the ball today.
 
@JL2210 If you want to find good stuff to flag, go to chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/126814/… There is very little people active so a lot of these posts go unnoticed and nobody is reporting them to Natty. All posts between 2.0 and 3.5 should be manually checked as a lot of them are NAA or even spam. If you have time to spare you can easily use up 100 flags per day.
 
Too bad I'm on a flag ban.
 
Report to Natty in SoBotics and someone else might flag it then.
 
How do I report them?
 
11:12 PM
@JL2210 @Natty report link
 
Where's SOBotics?
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
11:39 PM
@JL2210 None of those are recently active
Also not recently active. Please see Rule 11 in the FAQ
 
11:58 PM
I thought with the new 3-vote closes that I could clean some old duplicates up so all the info would be linked together.
 

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