It has come to a handful of people's attention that at least some of the newly elected moderators might not be exactly up to challenge.
Here's a message that very clearly demonstrates this incompetence, that was a result of a particular argument that appeared in one of the SO chatrooms:
Madar...
You should write another doc that talks about purely analog computers, and how they are clearly the better choice since they predate C++98, and digital computing in general
2029: Soodnet has arise. The world robotic domination is complete. Everywhere, humans are forced to read Raghav's doc. For most, it's a matter of survival. For the rest of us... The rest of us died with honor.
(Don't take me seriously when I argue against doc, please. Docs are magnificent and the world would be a better place if people would just fix or just write their goddam doc)
Java's are good, but can get quite verbose or omit certain details
Go's work very well, sync up with community packages, and you can always jump to source, which works great for go since it is very easy to read snippets without having to understand the entire package
I get a slack message (knowing he's in some finance meeting) "Come quickly to <conf room x>" I get there and he has a Chinese menu up on the big monitor in that room. lmao
The message deleted, in context, is showing our disapproval for something condemned by the UN. There is no other side to it. No one is arguing pro concentration camps.
@MadaraUchiha Can you please clarify this? You deleted the message and explained that it was because of the vulgarity, and then posted and pinned a comment saying not to have political discussions. I come here and moderate this room every day and so I need more clarification. Should we be preventing people from saying 4 letter words? Or from talking about politics? Which is it?
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@CarlAnderson I have clarified a bit after the pinned message, but in general, keep things civil, always, and especially when politics are involved.
And no, it's not that you aren't allowed to criticize china (or anyone). I've done it myself on various occasions here on the network. It's that if you do, please keep things professional and civil
Else things go downhill very fast, and we go from "off-topic but interesting and harmless" to "off-topic and with namecalling"
And yes, @JBis I've seen the flag, read up the conversation, and decided to delete the post without suspension.
If you think I acted in the wrong, please do tell. This isn't a threat, I'm genuinely interested in hearing your opinion.
Are there any meta posts or stack overflow posts that you can point to where as a room owner I would have known to moderate this without your intervention?
Nobody came on the network said "fuck china" and left. That would be problematic. We were talking about all the problems with the Chinese government and instead of listing our discontent for everything china is doing we summed it up with "fuck china"
@CarlAnderson Nothing so specific. It's a combination of the "Be Nice" policy and the "Beware of political/religious discussions" unwritten Rules Of The Internet.
I find it quite frustrating to have to guess at what's appropriate to moderate and what isn't, and I don't agree that this statement was an issue. I starred it myself out of the frustration at the way the Chinese government (and it's lucrative market) has been able to bend weak-willed US companies to comply with its censorship.
It's not a "don't say "fuck"", and it's not a "don't criticize China", it's combination of both those things. When discussing topics you know to be loaded and emotionally charged, please try to keep it civil. That's all I'm asking.
Ok. Well I disagree but understand how random drive-by visitors who don't bother to understand the context could end up flagging the message, which forces your hand.
There's no clever heuristic here to tell you "this is OK, this is not" use your common sense on what's acceptable in a public. Also, there's a reason I only deleted the message and felt like the flags should not be validated and the user suspended. It's not a "OMG EVIL BASTARD DIE" sort of situation.
@JBis That's true. But remember that it was flagged.
It's easy to compare my action to the null case of "nothing happening" and pointing out there's more drama this way. Compare it to the hypothetical case of, say, someone coming here and starting to defend China.
If I were the mod, and I'd have the final say, I'd just suspend you all for backtalking to me and be done with it, like I've seen happen in so many other communities before.
This is actually a topic that I greatly care about. That power is transparent, and that I am expected to defend my actions if they are challenged.
@JBis Well, I can assure you that the fact that China is bullying everyone into submission had no part in my decision. I am, in fact, very much against their oppression and behaviors.
@MadaraUchiha Ah okay, I missed this I'm on mobile, maybe you could ask SE to give us a nice mobile app for chat? It's maybe a good justification on why it's needed :D
@MadaraUchiha Yeah but as far I know, all the attempts were quite painful because it was more reverse engineering work (their websockets) so if it was a joined effort we could work with something more structured