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2:00 PM
that would be
3.8-4.0 GPA
 
Yeah, I wasn't sure about that either.
 
3.8 is roughly 94.5% average
 
admission requirement is 3.7-4.0
 
90% is 3.3
 
3.3 is 83
3.6
 
2:02 PM
wait no 90% is 3.5
A- is 3.5
 
90% is 3.6
 
B+ is 3.3
B is 3
B- is 2.8
 
3.6 GPA in all honors classes with traditional sciences
 
any ideas on how can I combine records from 2 different sql server tables to a single datagridview
 
join
 
2:05 PM
even though columns in table are not related
 
jaminator if you have common column between those 2 tables you can use join
 
@jaminator so what are you combining on?
row number?
 
If same number of columns and data type use union
 
@HansZ the admissino requirement is 3.6 in your GPA but to keep passing to next term you need average of 2.7-2.8 or more in all courses
 
@Nadal I think canada grades on a different scale than we do
 
2:07 PM
and believe me it is hard because everyone around you is 3.6+ GPA and they have to force the class average down to 2.8
 
our average schoolwide gpa is 2.7
 
bell curve nadal?
 
I tried merge System.Data.DataException: <target>.Voided and <source>.Voided have conflicting properties: DataType property mismatch.
 
they only bell curve when more than half the class is at 42%
if the entire class is at 2.7 GPA they will smash them on exam to drop it and then bell curve to pass a bit more than half the class
 
@HansZ its a string field, want kind of a full join, just to append records from the other table
 
2:10 PM
@Nadal so if the average score is 2.8, and there are 1/20 of people with 3.6+, then assuming normal distribution, 45% of the class fails out of your school every year
 
the class only has like
155 students
so first year about 10-11 people drop out and 11-15 will be repeating the term
 
so about 70 of those students will get lower than 2.7
 
some will petition and get a pass so they will be able to move to next term conditionally
yeah
class average is usually near boundary line
but they do smash it then bell curve
 
howdy all
 
@HansZ do they make you take WHIMIS too?
its a pain
 
2:15 PM
Does it help to say "It is very urgent, you guys" when asking a question?
 
@Nadal Ha I did whmis
@kush No.
 
That's what I figured as well. It kind of puts me off.
 
what's whimis?
 
Workplace Hazardous Materials Information System.
 
2:19 PM
Got an extra I in there
 
Not me :)
It's pronounced wim-iss
 
i really dislike the thing about my uni where we get bombarded with so much work that you arent learning shit, its always about making it to the next term
 
Is there a test or something? I thought it was an industrial safety labeling standard in Canada?
 
so why do you need to whmis?
 
finishing up the task at hand to proceed the next, sometimes i feel college students know so much more application
they make you take it before they let you in any of the labs
 
2:20 PM
We did a test, so they know that we know enough about it to know how to handle hazardous materials.
 
Hmm... also, information system.
 
we also have to take courses on our own time for professional engineering, PEng or something
 
^ Do they pay you to do so?
 
me?
 
No way.
 
2:21 PM
yeah, @Nadal
 
this is university stuff lol
 
Oh, okay.
 
university makes u do whimis and PEng courses
 
What university, out of curiosity?
 
@Nadal if it is anything like my engineering degree it will level out in third year - second year was HARD with huge work load but in third since we were starting to specialize they lowered the workload a bit. Fourth year was nice since it was 25% research assignment.
 
2:24 PM
^ I'm going into my 4th year at an engineering school, for my BSSE.
 
lol for me third year was harder than second year was harder than first year
next year is going to be the hardest
 
I'm kind of looking forward to the senior design project. I'm helping create control software and test suites for a mechatronic arm.
My third year gave me shingles.
 
@DavidHall i am told by upper years 2A and 2B are hell but 3rd and 4th year get nicer
 
2A and 2B?
 
@ShotgunNinja o__O what classes are you taking?
 
2:25 PM
Uh, all sorts.
lemme see if I can find a copy of the course list.
 
herpes filled classes?
 
Everyone in my year found 2nd really hard. Subject matter gets harder of course but the workload was stupid for 2nd year - 16 points where the standard is 12 (so two full extra classes)
 
@ShotgunNinja shingles as in herpes?
 
OOOOOOOOOOOO
 
2:27 PM
Also, I got shingles from working 20 hours a week while taking 17 credits. And no, shingles is chickenpox, you ninnies.
it re-manifests when your immune system is compromised, from bad diet, lack of sleep, and stress.
 
@HansZ i found the answer to your question, first year first or 2nd semester we have 6 courses, 1 course is credit 3 the other 5 are credit 4
 
@Nadal what is your major? Mine was engineering science, specializing in bioengineering for the last two years. Not so many people did that so small classes and interesting topics made for a good time.
 
then in 2nd year either semester we have 1 credit 3 course and 6 credit 4
@DavidHall computer engineering, I am looking to transfer to Management engineering though, I like the business aspect of it
 
Nadal, have fun with super-easy courses and forgetting everything you knew about computer engineering.
You can't be a manager and an engineer at the same time, it involves too much separation of duty.
 
@ShotgunNinja any engineering at my uni is hard lol, management is hard too
it is probably a BIT easier than computer engineering but still relatively hard
 
2:30 PM
Meh, the math is far easier.
well, I recant that; I can't speak for your university.
 
the math in 1st year was same
but 2nd year we have quantum + themodnymics physics
 
Well, yeah, even the nurses at my college take the same math as the engineers freshman year.
Same here, though I personally pushed mine off to 1 physics course a year.
but we only require 3 physics courses for software engineering, so I had that as an option.
 
managment engineer 1st year course 2nd semester:

MSCI 200A Seminar 1 0 0
MSCI 240 Algorithms and Data Structures 3 1 1.5
MSCI 262 Managerial and Cost Accounting 3 1 0
MSCI 271 Advanced Calculus and Numerical Analysis 3 2 0 ME 235 Materials Science and Engineering 3 1 3ME 250 Thermodynamics 1 3 1 0
 
@ShotgunNinja are you from Milw?
 
Yeah, klut.
 
2:33 PM
it looks so much nicer than computer engineering
 
That's interesting, that they give you algo & DS for management.
 
we have 2 semesters of physics, 1.5 semesters of chem, 1 semester of bio, 8 semesters of calc, 2 semesters of engineering math, 2 semesters of other math
 
@ShotgunNinja where did you go to high school?
 
I am trying to minimize the impact of performance based studying
 
as math/sci requirements for all engineers
 
2:34 PM
klut: In Kenosha, just south of Milw, at a place called Lakeview Tech Academy.
;P
 
having to take 12 math classes is funnnnnnnnnn
 
@ShotgunNinja ah okay. I know the area. dirty stallis here
 
In my curriculum we had one term classes in management, accounting, etc.
 
comp sci has to take formal logic and propositional calculus sophomore year so that's more math
 
I wish I was more familiar with the area myself...
 
2:35 PM
Business-orientated topics not strictly related to Software Engineering
 
oh, west allis?
 
I'm in CR, Iowa
 
nice, my last internship was HQ'd there.
CR, I mean.
 
@Nadal sounds like managment engineering is similar to the Operations Research stream at my uni - for my first two years and part of third it was part of my program. Much easier math than biomedical and continuum mechanics stuff we had to do but still interesting and useful (often very useful for software engineering)
 
do you guys recommend a site for interview studying ?
 
2:37 PM
I'm thinking of going back to school at Iowa... don't know if I really have the time though
 
Then make the time, lol.
 
@DavidHall i find that a releif to hear!
 
Honestly, if your school has a career placement program, or offers courses on that, then sign up for them.
 
career placement? is that Co-op?
 
I'd like to but I'm thinking of law school
for some stupid reason
 
2:39 PM
I'm sure that there are interview help sites out there on the net, but they never seemed to help me much.
 
I am in a Co-op program which is 4 months university 4 months job
keeps alternating
 
of course, I have a 3-0 track record with interviews and job placement, so idk.
 
lol
I had interview for RIM
 
3 interviews, 3 jobs.
done
 
it was probably the hardest one ive been too
 
2:40 PM
RIM?
 
Blackberry
 
Who wants to work for RIM? Just gonna get laid off anyway.
4
 
Research in Motion
 
oh, okay.
 
They were REALLLY picky
i was being interviewed by like 3 guys
 
2:40 PM
@Nadal did you get it?
 
Yeah, big companies are always really picky,
 
and answering all the Java-C++ questions, asked me to write a program on the board
 
I've had the same luck @ShotgunNinja got 3 offers in madison for this summer, took one in Falls, last year I was in Falls too. feels good not having to worry.
 
1 guy started arguining that although my program works but the fact i didnt initilize a string after I created it would cause memmory leaks
 
nice, @klut. I am currently looking into new places to work in the area, since my current job won't cover rent once the school year starts.
 
2:42 PM
I heard Rockwell is big on the MSOE students
 
Yeah, but they have no openings right now.
I missed the window.
 
doesn't hurt to apply
 
There's nowhere TO apply.
 
@HansZ no I didnt get it, I didnt even bother studying for interview or reviewing code before I went becuase I went for interview right after a lab and midterm time was approaching...I figured if I studied and memmorized code for future companies I would actually get in
I am stil happy i got all the questions except the stupid memmory leak
 
it's all handled online, and they don't have any positions listed whatsoever. I could try sending my resume in to a guy I did some extracurricular robotics stuff with, though.
 
2:43 PM
@Nadal I don't think it's a question of memorizing code, it's more they want you to be able to figure out what to do if you're stumped
 
but seriously, who makes such a big fuss over initializations
 
@ShotgunNinja FIRST?
 
Yeah, I was on Kenosha's team(s).
 
sweeeet
 
1652 (Robot Mafia) and 2970 (eSchool eBots)
 
2:43 PM
@HansZ lol
 
@HansZ i was in an argument with 1 guy because he thought i should be memmorizing all my code
 
I was FIRST in HS, 694 (Stuypulse)
 
and the other 2 agreed with me that you dont need to memmorize it when ur working..
 
we took 2970 to nationals my senior year.
 
we started like 3 goddamn teams
 
2:44 PM
in the end it didnt matter
 
won chairmans twice
 
very nice, my friend.
 
not nationals, regional in hartford
 
Memorizing code does you zero good. If your gonna use the code again, you shouldn't have to rewrite it, and chances are you won't use it again anyway.
 
hartford CT?
 
2:44 PM
yesp
 
ah, okay.
 
@HansZ i found out later from a friend that they are REALLLY strict about memmory leaks and small bugs because they do very strict code reviews before they release anything which is probably the reason they arent getting anywhere but down
 
I just wish my current manager knew as much about management as my team captain from high school.
 
@Nadal code reviews are super important...
 
Agreed.
 
2:46 PM
every company does them but RIM adds the cherry on top lol
 
if you're programming for a 16mb memory chip, then maybe leaks are not a good thing
 
Design reviews are even more important.
 
yes
let's put it this way, google didn't get to where google is now by ignore memory leaks and small bugs and not doing very strict code reviews before product gets shipped
 
huh, glassdoor is down.
 
thats true but those checks didnt delay the company's releases so much
 
2:47 PM
they got to where they are now by abusing the shit out of the javascript compiler
 
honestly, code reviews for software development are like paying for food.
yeah, it costs time and money, but you need it to survive.
(I eat like a bird)
 
they also asked me to implement skeleton design, I have no idea what that was, never heard about it in class...later found out it is taught in 2nd year :S
 
maybe they thought a first year comp sci student wasn't qualified to work for them?
 
googles it
cool
 
thats why im thinking there could be online site to study this stuff before u go
 
2:50 PM
@Nadal honestly the amount of things they can ask you are pretty much limitless
 
Skeleton programming is a style of computer programming based on simple high-level program structures and so called dummy code. Program skeletons resemble pseudocode, but allow parsing, compilation and testing of the code. Dummy code is inserted in a program skeleton to simulate processing and avoid compilation error messages. It may involve empty function declarations, or functions that return a correct result only for a simple test case where the expected response of the code is known. Skeleton programming facilitates a top-down design approach, where a partially functional system wi...
 
in my experience, writing what you are good on your resume will steer the conversation in the area of your expertise
 
There are classes that you can go to before interviews.
Essentially, that's why you go to school in the first place.
Every class is important.
 
like if you put MSIL on your resume, you bet your pretty pink bonnet they're gonna ask questions about JIT
 
or if you put game development on your resume, prepare to get screwed
whoops
still got the job, but whatever.
 
2:53 PM
if you put weird research topics on your resume, prepared to get interviewers pretending to know what you are talking about
 
^ basically this.
 
@HansZ usually during your 4 month university term all the students apply to whatever company they want and get interview if the company chooses them. Everyone has C# on their resume because we just took a course on C# but I am 100% sure that you guys would have much much more C# knowledge than those students because there is only so much you learn in class yet you put it on resume anyway
 
except I was interviewed by the CEO, the very man who makes my life a living hell currently.
also, I learned C# on the job.
 
and i think companies assume you have higher knowledge of C# when you really just know the course material only
 
doing avionics software development.
 
2:54 PM
@Nadal my course material on c was chock full of higher knowledge
 
Did you use the K&R book?
 
1st year only goes upto inheritance and polmorphism
linked lists etc
 
@Nadal ...
...
 
Yeah, I basically knew everything from first year back in high school.
 
we did concurrency and network programming first year
 
2:55 PM
structs etc
network programming?
 
but like baby concurrency
stuff like "wat is doublelock"
 
never heard of it
 
for us, that was wrapped into Operating Systems for low-level stuff, and Software Dev II for high-level stuff.
 
lol it's super easy concurrency stuff
you'll get to it
 
we learned C# upto polymorphism for half the course then other half we learned encryption systems and how they r cracked, AES DES etc
 
2:57 PM
it seems like one of those terms that gets swept under the rug if you don't learn the same language in school.
 
2nd year it is suppose to be assembly
 
@Nadal that's pretty cool, how much did you get in depth?
 
Aha, I did my assembly and embedded C courses freshman year instead of physics and chemistry.
and I passed towards the top of the class.
 
hello guys
 
we took apart blackberry and learned how to "mess" with it
that was about it
 
2:58 PM
howdy
nice, Nadal
 
heeyyyyyy it's @zneak !
 
hey hans
I have yet another question
 
man, I'll get back to you guys later, I gotta get back to this stupid Flash code... T~T
 
hahahaha
 
ActionScript sounds like a superhero
 
2:59 PM
oh god, the previous guy built it out of a Flash Catalyst project.
 
you're in for fun times
 
which, Catalyst is basically a fully-graphical system for developing a UI experience.
 
technically
 
I'm in for fun times? I've been beating my head against this since may 13th.
 
technically dreamweaver is a fully graphical system for developing a webpage
 

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