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3:00 PM
BSE
 
BSE is up?
 
no i mean the Indian stock market
probably american investor pulling money out
 
 
yup it rose since we announced some cuts then impeachment news came and then it tank
 
I'm confused cause it looks like it's gone way up in the last week
 
3:04 PM
looks like today's intraday was better
yeah well it was tanking then government announced corporate tax cut and then it went record high and then tank again when impeachment news came
 
trump being gone seems like it would be raise indian markets because of globalism and outsourcing that the neocons support
the stuff going on with hong kong would probably have more of an impact IMO, that place seems like it's about to erupt and could cause a chain reaction
 
hmm imo trump staying is beneficial for our market
 
@Ahmad what are they good for? relaxing?
 
it takes a lot to unravel what is impacting what with markets, and most of the analysis out there on it is bullshit
 
yup
haven't read any analysis
 
3:16 PM
sometimes the bullshit analysis becomes true just because enough people believe it, and then that subsides as people realize it wasn't true or was an overreaction
 
that's how propaganda works, making it look like a certain opinion is prevalent
"oh I see this opinion everywhere on unrelated mediums, must be true"
 
true eski
 
our company is small enough that groups can manipulate the stock price with biased articles fairly easily, so I actually get to see it happen where I have a more complete perspective being in the company
 
isn't that a financial crime if proven to be the case?
 
yeah I think we've gone after them before but they are pretty good at obfuscating their trades
 
3:22 PM
smart
 
just going after the people that write and publish the articles is difficult from a legal standpoint as I understand
 
yes, but you could hire specialists tracking the big stakeholders benefitting from these moves and prove their involvement over time
just stating the obvious of course, I have no idea how that works irl
 
yeah I think that's what they did before, but the last time it happened they said it's not worth the cost for that
 
Anyone here use Azure Devops?
 
@MehdiB. seeing into the other dimension
because you float on salt water you'll lose sensation in your body after a while
and you'll be laying there, just you and your mind
no distractions
 
3:33 PM
> and you'll be laying there, just you and your mind
do they supply the razor blades, or?
 
you can be ahmad's first podcast guest mehdi
"Internment" also works since you'll be locked in an isolation tank together
 
so is trump dump'd? i am so off the news
 
slap on the fingers
 
doubtful
 
i just realized this week UK has that crazy london mayor as PM
 
3:37 PM
the bird nest hair guy
5
 
lol eric
naah the impeachment is a waste of time and a self goal by democrats
 
and apparently he's also on the road of hitting a wall with the brexit thing
 
@Ahmad I wanna try this!
@eski 😂😂😂😂
 
yup boris xD
 
Activity fragment communication, which one would you prefer? Interface or lambda or a livedata?
 
3:39 PM
@TimCastelijns ROFL the best description
interface
 
sockets
 
activity fragment communication with livedata?
 
havent done it, interface seems like a easy and good choice
 
or some kind of event bus if your up to it
 
3:40 PM
@ballBreaker election in a month in canada right?
 
I know that a Livedata basically sets up an Observer. Does it have any drawbacks compared to an interface?
 
livedata observers , interface is just a callback
 
using livedata is kinda nasty
 
depending on the implementation both can work same
 
popular solution includes sharing ViewModel between activity and fragments
 
3:43 PM
i havent tried it
 
and exposing livedata to reflect on changes
 
make fragments listen to activity or make activity publish to the fragment's viewmodel
 
i have to check the latest update in viewmodel
 
using single view model for multiple views is something i wouldn't recommend
 
@TimCastelijns you still using clean arch right?
 
3:44 PM
Suppose an activity has implemented 5-8 interfaces, is there a way to make activity code appear more readable?
 
views -> multiple activity/fragments
since youre going to leak the implementation everywhere
@TaseerAhmad you dont need that many interfaces
 
interfaces are already pretty readable unless naming is messed up
 
No Android architecture in viewmodels, that's a view leak
 
im not talking about mem leaks,
im talking about leaking the implementation details in the activity
 
Let's say that naming is not the issue, but the amount of methods kind of make the activity bloated
 
3:45 PM
separation of concerns
 
@IvanMilisavljevic How come?
 
well usually and imho you dont need more than 3 interfaces for anything
especially if interface can be converted to labmda
 
One of the activity implements that many interface methods. I don't like it the way they are setup, they make the activity bloated and diverts away attention from activity's callbacks
 
as i said
you dont need to implement a lot of this stuff as interfaces
like this one:
onAdapterItemClicked
onDrawerItemClicked
onRecyclerViewScrolled
 
@ColdFire I'm currently using MOS
 
3:51 PM
@TimCastelijns Metalna Oprema Sopot?
 
this is a meme from before your time
 
@ColdFire think so
 
I'll look the stuff up the day before I vote
v0v
 
3:52 PM
I love that Canada bans campaigning until 6 weeks before an election
Only have to ignore all the bullshit for 6 weeks, and it's pretty easy to ignore
 
Just google platforms the night before or the day-of and I'm good to go
Probably just going to blindly vote conservative though
 
4:04 PM
oh its only 2 days for us :(
we should also ban for 1-2 weeks
 
2 days of what?
 
@TimCastelijns i thought you were a clean arch guy?
campaign ban
 
you can only campaign 2 days up to the election?
 
no its banned 2 days before election
@IvanMilisavljevic that site is garbage
 
haha yeah
thats like a factory for some products of metal i think
 
4:10 PM
@ColdFire oh so it's fine 363 days of the year
but not the two days leading up to the election?
Yeah fuck that eh
 
lol naah mostly parties start campaign a month in advance here
but we have election almost every 6 month or a year or so
 
oh, wow
how does anything get done
 
exactly
we are trying to streamline it
 
We basically spend 4 years going in one direction to spend the next 4 years reversing shit
but slowly things change lol
 
lol
sounds like every developed country
or countries where 2 main parties are polar opposite of each other
 
4:12 PM
Yeah, luckily our two parties aren't THAT different
 
eLi
 
linkedin is garbage just like facebook it seems
 
oh nice
 
eLi
Woo
 
eLi
4:16 PM
Why
 
whatzz up
 
lets not got there
might as well delete it
 
eLi
Sure
Dinner time.
 
@MehdiB. there's a few of them in berlin
lmk if you ever wanna go
@eski LMAO
 
@Ahmad thank you, I will!
 
4:26 PM
:D
 
I've develop my own "tuning" algorithm of an ML algo, it's so naive it made me realise why people use libraries for stuff like that
by naive, I meant slow
so slow that I don't wanna leave the office before serializing the result into a file
also, because python is garbage
 
yeah let the professionals do the hard work
 
what are you implying there bb
 
That u suck
 
and your code sucks
 
4:31 PM
well at least it runs
 
and we're all going to die because your naive ml algorithm is going to kill us
and it's going to be a slow death because your algo is too inefficient
 
Your machine learning algorithm is so naive that you actually made the machine dumber
 
bros, don't compliment me, I didn't implement an ML algorithm, I implemented an algorithm tuning an ML algorithm that smart people made :D
 
Your tuning algorithm was so bad it made the machine have a learning disability
 
the machine is so dumb now it just hopped on twitter and attacked me for getting a vaccine
 
4:33 PM
The algo actually brought the median IQ down from 100 to 99
 
r15 professional shitposters XD
 
the algo created an online poll that let people decide its legal middle name and people chose macaulay culkin, now your bot is called macaulay macaulay culkin culkin
 
Mehdi: Announces that he made a mistake
R15: Makes fun of his mistake
Mehdi:
 
btw that's actually real insider.com/…
 
he shoulda went with Jailbait
Macaulay jailbait culkin
 
4:36 PM
@Ahmad probably living to or exceeding his parents expectations :D
 
Michael Jackson is rolling in his grave at the opportunity missed
 
@ballBreaker not a mistake, just brute force coding, also called mediocrity
 
what's the runtime mehdi
I expect o log n from you
with o(1) space complexity
 
around O(n²), but technically more O(1000n²)
cause I work with thousands of 2-d matrixes then actually x-subsets, then 50 tuning tentatives for each subset
 
1000n² amortised is n^2 so it doesn't matter
 
4:40 PM
It does here XD
 
not for leetcode programmers
 
yeah: is 1M a constant? yes. Then drop it
but I expect an n = 1M, doesn't matter, n should stay as n and be imagined as infinity, 1M is still a constant
 
what if you reimplement this on the blockchain
you have the potential to get the runtime up to n^4
 
what if I dockerize it as well, not as a distributed environment but as replicates?
again, x containers... still a constant
 
5:02 PM
The heat death of the universe is estimated to take 10^100 years, also a constant, therefore your algorithm is O(1) complexity
 
xD
 
the conservation of mass-energy of the universe means the space complexity is O(1) as well
 
@eski Good to know that there are less complex stuff out there that are much slower than my code
I should replace all the content of my CV with this
 
o/ all
 
@MehdiB. I think it also means P=NP, we should publish a paper and win the Nobel Prize or something
 
5:14 PM
 
hmm, makes sense that we would end up with the same result
 
@eski I'm skeptical about things like that eski, I mean if this guy didn't even make it through an art gallery just means we're living in a non-meritocratic world... It's all about nano-technology and quantum computing nowadays.. smh
 
some people just don't understand art..or science
at least we could get credit posthumously hundreds of years later when we're found to be correct
 
So glad I met someone who sees life as I do, bunch of amateurs out there
 
you two should get married
with such a similar life view
 
5:22 PM
I don't think it works out when two people with such big brains get married
 
Yeah just think about how hard it would be for you to push that baby out your butt with a big brain squared
 
good point
 
Freaking bb with his negativity
 
just cut the baby out with a knife instead of pushing it out your butt
you could have a little megamind
 
adorbs
 
5:39 PM
o/
 
cM
 
dS
 
DS*
 
random complaint
 
how dare you assume my capitalization
lol that sounds fun
 
5:44 PM
I didn't assume. I made it what I wanted it to be because I am the only one who matters
 
oh ok, then I'm no longer outraged
 
Well, and it's doing a server swap so the time is kind of important. haha
 
@MehdiB. gotta keep things balanced
 
thanks Thanos
 
they shoulda just left half the universe dead
 
5:55 PM
then maybe we wouldn't have any more PHP developers
 
then maybe I would stand a chance with a beautiful girl :'(
 
but they'd all be dead
it would be just ugly girls and Js developers
 
damn, so I would die too then
 
maybe you should learn Js
 
I have....enough
I keep Js at arms-length so Java doesn't get jealous
 
6:04 PM
> Honestly I have no idea about the specifics of Titanium or what you are trying to do.
haha, just trying to get that bounty
 
huh?
 
It's a comment from an "answer" on a post I have a bounty for.
I thought it was funny but not without the context
 
ahhh
 
lol
cmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
@codeMagic may wanna be careful here, bb is the watcher of conversations without any explicit context chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/15?m=47360155#47360155
 
6:15 PM
Ah, I see
Well, I could always kick him
But I need more views so I'll share again anyway :P
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58058931/simulator-is-not-available-appcelerator-studio/58122330#58122330
 
damn
that mf made an account today and answered
 
Well, he "answered"
 
I'm giving him an upvote for the sheer effort he must go through on a daily basis with balls the size of a mountain
 
lol, that's not really how it works
 
6:19 PM
How what works?
I can do whatever I want with my upvotes and downvotes
 
try xcode 11
 
You can just shouldn't
I saw that earlier but it's resolved
I did
 
bummer
 
ahhh yeah I mean, sure, if I cared about the integrity of SO
 
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A: Appcelerator unable to run app in iOS Simulator

Fokke ZandbergenUnfortunately iOS Simulator and the CLI it has is like a black box. You mention that you use a relatively old Titanium SDK though, from before the Xcode and iOS versions you target. That might be related. Could you try with a recent (5.1.2) SDK and also make sure it is selected (appc ti sdk selec...

 
6:20 PM
Kinda passed that point though about 5 years, and (1 month - 1 day) ago
 
It's not just your integrity of SO but it should be your integrity as an individual
 
I made that guy feel good on his first day of SO, to me that means way more
 
Xcode 11 had other issues. haha
 
he has no integrity as an individual though
 
that's too bad
 
6:21 PM
what version is your titanium sdk?
 
you made him feel good for not putting effort into an answer
8.0.2
 
He put at least some effort in, he googled!
 
And I think that issue was fixed in 7.x from the ticket I saw
I also have 8.2.0 and 7.5.0 installed and tried those
 
hmm 8.1.0 added xcode 11 simulator support
did you try 8.2 with xcode 11?
 
I believe so. That gave me some shit about xcode uncompatible with simulator 13
I'm trying xcode 10.2 right now
 
6:28 PM
 
Well, I'm downloading it right now
 
sounds like you weren't really using 8.2
having multiple versions installed sounds problematic
TBH i'd uninstall everything but 8.2 and xcode 11, or just add a DNS record to route 53
or ask titanium support because it's a paid product
 
lmao
 
@ballBreaker hey good for you
 
oh no, Tim...I hope that's sarcasm
 
6:34 PM
Tim gave up a few months ago
 
A few days but yes
 
That's too bad. I used to believe in Tim
 
Fuck it
 
@TimCastelijns hey man, thanks!
Your support is hugely appreciated
 
I was shown a red flag yesterday and I think it was a sign
 
6:38 PM
usher in The Era of TIM
 
21 hours ago, by Dave S
user image
I wonder how many NPE questions I can upvote in the Android tag before getting flagged by the system
 
get yarn or get gone
 
I only fuk wit 100% cotton yarn
 
You have 40 votes per day I think and you can vote whatever the fuck you want and nobody will notice unless you vote the same way on the same person 3 or 4 times in a short window
 
6:44 PM
beautiful, time to get started
 
Don't forget superfluous edits on old posts
 
I need those +2 pts
 
And you need the pts to be able to close good questions
 
man that is one amazing GIF, saving for later
 
@TimCastelijns savage XD
 
6:52 PM
Can you guys point and laugh at me
 
hahahah no
 
I didn't realize that in F12 dev tools there was a web console..
 
@ColdFire this project doesn't easily allow for it
 
@ballBreaker not your fault, blame IE
 
that's interesting bb because the console is the only thing I know of in the dev tools
 
6:54 PM
hahaha
Both of those comments make me laugh
 
hmm
 
someone wnt to screenshot and reupload that for me? <3
 
you know chrome has them built in right
 
6:58 PM
@DaveS the console?
or what built in?
 
a full suite of dev tools with a console and everything
 
oh, yeah in my original comment I said "f12 dev tools"
just I never ... looked beyond the first tab
 
last time I checked even IE8 had it
 
yeah IE has them too
hence the please point and laugh at me
 
why are you choosing to debug in IE though
thats the real question
 
7:01 PM
I'm not, I'm doing it in chrome
oh, in general... sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do
Since you seem to know about the console, can you println to it?
 
yes
console.log("println");
 
shweeeet thanks for saving me google
double thanks
you're the man
 
was this a serious question?
 
unfortunately it seems that way
 
v0v
this is my first web dev job give me a break
or don't, that's also fine
This is why I get paid the big bucks, to outsource to r15
 
7:04 PM
it's more fun to rip on you
"How did you learn web development?" "I asked a bunch of Android developers"
 
bbahahah basically
 
7:20 PM
lol
 
haha
 
The guy who formatted this code using 2 spaces deserves a kick in the nuts
 
find him and kick him
 
qué?
 
It was the formatting you commented on yesterday Mehdi
 
7:22 PM
ah yes, very ugly indeed, first thing I do when installing intellij is to replace all the "2 spaces" by "4 spaces" on the code styles
 
It'll be nice in a few months when I'm not working on code from pre-9/11
 
you mean tabs mehdi
 
sorry, I opted for a higher salary
 
tabs ftw
 
well i guess not everyone likes a good salary raise
 
7:29 PM
Are you people not able to see indentation that is 2 spaces? I can't understand why you would need more
 
Dave,
Going through that appc jira issue more, I saw that they mentioned a command to remove all unavailable devices. That's it. That's obviously my issue, right?? Because the error message is 'Simulator not available'
Nope!
Such disappointment at the end, haha
eski, some of us have old eyes and can barely see the characters on the screen
 
I need variables OUT of my PERSONAL SPACE
 
just use 48pt font
 
i do
 
lol
 
7:44 PM
@MehdiB. I'm not surprised TBH, most CEOs are psychopaths so clearly emotional stability != pay
yay I got my thing working
Here is a perfect example of IE vs modern browsers
please don't ban me
    	//Check for IE or Modern Browser
    	if (isIE) {
    		oRange = document.body.createTextRange();
    		found = oRange.findText(str);

    		// if found highlight and scroll to there
    		if (found) {
				oRange.select();
        		oRange.scrollIntoView(false);
    		}

    		// if not then go backwards and check again
		    else {
		    	found = oRange.findText(str, -1);
		      	// wrap search
		      	if (found){
		        	oRange = null;
		        	textSearch(str);
		      	}
		    }
    	}
vs
found = window.find(str);
 
lmao
IE is great come on
 
lol
 
It at least provides me entertainment
I just gotta get past the frustration and power through the tears
 

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