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dbc
4:12 AM
Is this on topic? Kubernetes ExternalName Services: I wanna understand how this ExternalName Kubernetes service work.
The info for kubernetes has a capitalized warning: KUBERNETES QUESTIONS MUST BE PROGRAMMING RELATED. which leads me to believe many OT questions fall into this topic.
 
 
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6:09 AM
@dbc It sounds like system administration to me, but I'm not that familiar with the kubernetes.
 
 
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7:11 AM
if you are running out of things to click on, there is a recent flurry of hacking spam on bitcoin.se </off-topic>
 
7:44 AM
o/
 
7:58 AM
Morning \o
Meta partisan lol
How we not thought this out already
 
8:17 AM
this one hanged open for 7 hours and even has got an accepted answer. This one pollutes the site for about 4 days now (probably waiting for some kind soul to answer it in comments). This isn't even closed after 7 days because review timed out. This hangs on the site for about a week. <--- Your expectations sound a bit too optimistic, sorry @Luuklag — gnat 11 mins ago
^^^ folks, have you considered setting up a bot that would feed comments containing word "English" into this room? To help detect non-English questions
 
Why do that when you're around to give us a list of them :D
 
dbc
8:38 AM
Should old non-English posts (> 1 month old) be mentioned here? stackoverflow.com/questions/55222578/… for example.
 
8:55 AM
@RiggsFolly Bit slow on that one, see tink's above
 
@dbc cv-pls for old sites is generally discouraged (see room FAQ), but non-English posts with recent activity are definitely eligible
 
My faith in SO users has temporarily been restored, don't post any horrible cv-pls requests for a while so I can have a brief period of happiness
 
10:01 AM
@Adriaan User deleted now
 
 
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12:10 PM
"You haven't voted on questions in a while; questions need votes too!" :(
 
@NickA it's the system telling you to downvote more of the poo coming up in this room ;)
 
I took a trip down meta-memory-lane, it may have been a mistake
 
@NickA You mean you believe again in cooperation between SE and its meta userbase?
 
That'd be nice, I was more imagining a specific historic post should be burned with fire...
 
12:19 PM
o/
 
\o
 
12:32 PM
o/
 
Cooking.SE is trying to shread the cabbage!!! Alert the python room!!!
 
@NathanOliver "Gallons of cabbage" horrifying. A) as far as I am aware cabbage is a solid, i.e. comes in weight measures, not volume measures; B) freedom units :(
 
12:48 PM
Hey, A pint is the best way to have a beer, that makes gallons a valid UOM by extension ;)
 
no, a "pint" is just a historic term which refers to half a liter in modern practice
 
@NathanOliver that ^. Plus, I prefer me Guinness fluid, which is the other half of my point :P
 
@tripleee I see me and my 568ml carton of milk are not wanted here...
 
@NickA ah, the famous 2.27L (or something?) cartons of milk in the UK. I love that when they introduced the SI, producers thought it cheaper to just print another number, than modify the machinery to make different cartons
 
If you go to the supermarket and get pint cans of lager you'll get proper pints as well (568ml, not 500ml)
 
12:51 PM
print plates are a lot cheaper than new machinery. You have to replace the plates regularly anyways
 
that's why you have to leave the EU then
 
Here it's mainly 500ml, although some wannabee hipster (read: hillbilly) breweries make 568ml as well
 
@tripleee We invented the imperial system though
 
Or even 547ml, which is completely weird.
 
@NickA cough, should we feel sorry for you or call you horrible?
 
12:53 PM
Nah, you should feel sorry for the poor sods that still use it
I mean we only use it to measure height, weight, milk, long distances... not much :)
 
Are speed limits in the UK MPH or KPH?
 
MPH
Our national speed limit is 60mph (70 on motorways and dual carriageways)
I also only know my weight in st/lb and my height in ft/in...
 
@NickA speed limits? How civilised. Going 250km/h on the Autobahn is much more interesting
@NickA I have a stone-collection at home of about 50 stones, and have two feet!
 
1:01 PM
I just got told that people in the world use km/L to measure transport efficiency... I've never heard of that and just thought everyone uses MPG (even though we don't use gallons in the UK)
 
Welcome to the metric world
Gallon... is that 12 chugs, or 60 chugs?
 
@NickA There is another measure besides MPG???
 
I don't think I ever used km/L and I have no idea how to use MPG
 
@NathanOliver Welcome to the metric world
 
@NathanOliver Apparently!
 
1:04 PM
I always say e.g. 7l/100KM
 
Whattttt
 
Yeah, l/100km is what I often see
 
hmm. I get 12Km/L
28MPG sounds more impressive. I'm rejecting the metric system ;)
 
@NathanOliver typically American ;) European cars usually do >20km/l easily
 
28MegaPounds?
 
1:07 PM
That'd be Mlb
 
Ah yeah, I'm not Brit enough
 
@Adriaan They are also tiny. Here in Murica, we have plenty of space
We also pay a lot less in gas. Gas in London is twice what it costs here. That means we get to use double ;)
 
@NathanOliver Oh yeah, you weirdos and your "gas" :P
 
@NathanOliver I take it you don't buy gas, but actually on liquid hydrocarbons?
 
inorite. We call a liquid, gas
 
1:11 PM
gas means LPG in Europe
petrol means benzine
 
By MPG, do you mean mi/gal?
 
@NathanOliver although, to be fair, one buys liquid fuel, and that gets gasified before injection into the explosion chamber of a fossil fuel engine. So you do burn gas, but it's only gas for the very last millisecond of its lifetime
 
@JohnDvorak yes
 
Then say that :P
 
never
 
1:13 PM
say that
 
that
@Dharman Yeah, to me gas is just used for house gas (or "natural gas"), LPG is LPG
 
We have 3 primary fuels in the states: gas (petrol with up to 10% ethonol), 85/15 (basically the opposite of gas 85% ethonol, 15% gas), and diesel. LNG/LPG is really only used commercially.
 
eth-a-nol
 
@NathanOliver ethanol can be in gas form. So you mean "petrol" as in: a liquid ofhydrocarbon chains with only 10% C2H4, the rest different? (Sorry, no subscripts here)
 
gas = 90% benzine + 10% ethanol, all in liquid form.
 
1:20 PM
Hm, why are you burning ethanol, when you can also drink it in form of alcoholic beverages? Just burn the longer hydrocarbons in your car ;)
 
Supposedly it makes the emissions better. What I really think is the reason is we have lots of corn, and pay farmers to plant it even if we don't need it for food stuffs, so we make fuel out if so it doesn't go to waste.
 
@NathanOliver I think the extra corn would be better spent on doritos, everyone loves doritos...
 
@NathanOliver sort-of makes sense. Diesel has longer chains than benzine. Diesel is worse in terms of air pollution (ultra-fine dust I mean there), but better in terms of greenhouse gas emissions due to a better combustion grade. So adding ethanol would increase greenhouse gas emissions but decrease air pollution in the vicinity of the car, such as big cities
@SmokeDetector whoa, that's one fast and big change
 
Question: does a post being closed as a duplicate of another post qualify the target post as cv-pls-able (even if not active)
 
1:37 PM
I wouldn't count being a dupe target as recent activity. That said, if it really needs to be closed I wouldn't if a cv-pls is asked for. I just ask that this be occasional.
 
There is a strange relation between bad question and upvoted answer.
Is there some shadow rules For those upvote on Simple answers to poor question? Or I'm bias and jealous of the +5 for "You re missing a `;` line 3"
You guy bath in bad question all day long. You might have a an explanation on this human behavior.
 
Well they can be helpful and often do answer the question, even if the answer is simple, best course is to close as typo and hope it gets deleted at some point
 
That's easy: Everyone knows that "you're missing a semicolon on line three" is correct.
 
Lots of people like to up vote answers (because they know it's right), even if the Q is bad.
Just close and delete the Q to teach them that answering those won't get them rep in the long run.
 
Also: humans are garbage
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1:43 PM
TIL I can no longer review VLQ items once I've red-flagged them
 
@MichaelDodd Interesting, non-red-flags don't stop you reviewing
 
@NickA Unless you've flagged them VLQ/NAA, which also prevents you from reviewing them in that queue
 
We are talking about LQP queue right?
 
@NickA yep
I get the acronyms confused sometimes
 
Sure you can, get to review, click link to post, flag, go back to queue and recommend deletion
 
1:47 PM
@NickA Sure about that? If I go direct to the review via a comment someone else has left after I've flagged, I get "This item is not reviewable"
 
@MichaelDodd Ah, I was doing it if I already had the review open in another page
rather than navigating to the review after flagging
 
@Nkosi OP has added code and an error message to this question; does it contain an MCVE now?
@NathanOliver tbf we buy gasoline; we just refer to it as shorthand, same with Brits who call it Petrol for short (vs "petroleum-based liquid")
 
Can I gather support here for closing old questions with new activity? AFAIK, this platform do not allow to handle old questions with no recent activity.
 
@AmitJoshi If it's got (relatively) recent activity, it's fair game (i.e. NATO, New Activity To Old question)
 
1:54 PM
@AmitJoshi Yes, we allow questions with recent activity to be posted here for *-pls attention
 
Just so long as you're not the one that's caused the recent activity
 
@MichaelDodd Of-course; that will be mis-use of the feature. I understand that.
I think this question had an answer few time back which is now deleted. The user who posted an answer was behaving something like spammy. I cannot verify it now.
 
2:09 PM
@TylerH Now it is a duplicate
 
so tempted to cv this as "Stack Overflow is a site for programmers"
 
2:22 PM
 
Reported user's other answer as it seems to be a troll account
 
3:36 PM
Anyone getting this error reported on Meta? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/387877/…
 
Nope
 
Nope.
 
Nope..
 
@NathanOliver Oooooh look at you, Win10 Pro, me too but I didn't feel the need to brag :P
 
:p
Not sure if it makes a difference anymore but I like to include it just in case.
 
3:43 PM
Waiting for Will to test with IE on Win98
 
I have a NT4.0 machine in the other room. Unfortunately IE4 wont even load SO, so I can't test it.
 
3:58 PM
Looks like the VTC bug was probably an extension-based issue
 
4:35 PM
Anyone getting a Server Error in '/' Application. with SO?
 
ok seem SO is offline for maintenance. At least that is what it is telling me
 
yep. Now getting the maintenance page.
Also, everything seems to be double posting in chat.
 
@RobertColumbia I disagree that this doesn't contain a MCVE. The code the OP provided would just not work. It wouldn't produce an error. They could've said "I clicked on the link and it still navigated" (i.e. "it's not working"), but... The problem the OP had is obvious from the code they've provided. I understand we'd expect there to be more code, but the OP just didn't have any more code, due to a complete misunderstanding as to how events, preventDefault(), and getElementsByTagName() work.
I'm not saying it's a good question. If we still had "lacks minimal understanding", that might fit.
 
Yeah got the same double posting. cancelled the second one.
 
@NathanOliver Getting nothing at all here, long wait then empty response
 
4:40 PM
blame caching. the error will be in a area near you soon ;)
 
@Nkosi Still offline
 
yep
not seeing an update on StackStatus
Right update
> We're having a SQL Server instability issue and digging into it now
 
🤔
 
5:01 PM
is this thing still on
 
mse is in RO mode now
 
I had gotten bumped off of chat a few minutes ago
 
The StackStatus twitter account has been averaging one new follower every 10-15 seconds
 
You better follow Nick Craver. Better details about what is really going on
 
Yeah, I saw the initial tweet. I haven't seen any updates since then
All of the "you need StackOverflow to fix StackOverflow rofl" replies to that tweet though 😬
 
5:07 PM
Coincidentally this has been the most productive I have been all day at work.
 
@IronFlare Oh, what's that? I need to look for the solution on Stack Overflow? Haha! That's rich! I've never heard this joke before!
:P
 
@MadaraUchiha I was trying to find an answer on Yahoo! Answers for him instead ...
 
Yeah, have you heard of it? It's this small new startup where people will write your code for you.
 
@IronFlare Reminds me of SOSort or whatever it was called
 
Google suggests the Society on Scoliosis Orthopaedic and Rehabilitation Treatment
Ah
Oh that's hilarious
 
5:16 PM
Boss: What aren't you working?
Developer: Stackoverflow is down.
Boss: Oh........carry on.
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Wow, the error page has such a nicely detailed svg. I love it cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/stackoverflow/Img/error.svg
The braided cable though
 
@IronFlare It used to be the case, I don't know if that's still a thing, that if you get a 500 error in chat, you'd get a cat on a keyboard with a text "working on ur problemz" (that part is still there), and every once in a while, it would be one of the SE devs with cat ears and the same text.
 
> We are bringing the network up in read-only mode while we investigate what locked a SQL up hard. We'll return to read-write mode shortly. - @Nick_Craver
 
Checks Stackoverflow to find out why Stackoverflow is down
It was at that moment he became enlightened.
 
@MadaraUchiha LOL
 
5:23 PM
 
SO is back in RO mode.
 
Yeah, let the Room Owners fix it, nice ...
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There has been a disturbance in the force......
"Stackoverflow down is the path to the dark side. Stackoverflow down loads to fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering" - Meta.
 
New meta update post: We're removing StackOverflow from StackOverflow and putting it in the hands of the moderators :P
 
and we're back
 
5:37 PM
yaay
 
@Makyen releases his queue ...
 
@Makyen wow that was fast. No time wasted at all
 
Well, I had looked at a few SD reports while in RO mode. :-)
 
lol
 
5:52 PM
All is right with the SO world once again.....until the next episode.....dun dun duuuuuun
 
6:21 PM
@MadaraUchiha I blame Madara
 
6:55 PM
@rene Did we close too many things again?
 
Yeah, we ran out queue-space, hard-locking SQL Server (I have no idea what I'm talking about)
 
plops in
 
shines laser pointer around
 
headplants into sofa
question is doomed to fail. Comments suggesting a bad strategy, OP challenging answerers to provide an answer :|
 
> I do not care about V o t e down my questions!
Poor man just wants to protect his codings @Compass :P
 
7:10 PM
I want an application which is impossible to decrypt but is entirely possible to function.
I mean, that's the price of distros
 
@Compass Sounds like a former boss of mine: "I want a website nobody can copy" systemctl stop httpd
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Just render the page internally, use puppeteer to take a screenshot, then send the jpeg to the browser :P
Ez copy proofing. You can't click on anything, but that's the price you pay
 
Holy bleep
 
Morning owl ... /o
 
whew
 
7:16 PM
o/
 
do you get a question ban after doing that
 
Ron
o/
Hi there, good people.
 
@Compass One can only hope
o/
 
Darn - i missed it :( ....
Such a bad question should have been preserved? :)
 
7:19 PM
It contained... numerous slurs
 
I mean, if you were really curious, smokey does keep records
but it was definitely a troll post
 
@Compass - where do I go to see that? While I've been hanging out on SO for some time (and am here quite frequently) I still don't know half the tooling well enough ;)
 
Chaotic Evil Moderation Technique: Mark as duplicate of canonical how to compare to Strings in Java.
Smokey resides on metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com
 
I'm sure with some rudimentary detective work you could find all sorts of interesting things there
 
7:23 PM
@Compass ouch. Ta
Great username, too ...
 
@Nkosi It's the new version of "Compiling!" so developers can have a wooden sword fight while standing on office chairs.
 
@TylerH That's always a safe bet.
 
!!/blame
 
@E_net4 It's Ron's fault.
 
What is the process for a user to have previous revisions removed from edit history, e.g., if the initial question mistakenly contained an API key?
Would they just flag it, or?
 
7:35 PM
needs to be staff and not moderator
 
@IronFlare mod flag and ask for redaction
 
they gotta go in and BURN THE WITCH
 
@IronFlare Flag.
@Compass Not true.
 
APPARENTLY moderators can burn the witch now
 
7:37 PM
Thanks guys :)
 
I like toast.
 
Same
 
I was gifted a toaster with the shape of Darth Vader's helmet. It also prints "Star Wars" on one of the sides of the toast.
 
very nice.
 
@Compass It takes two, one to do the redaction, and another to confirm
 
7:43 PM
just me and you
 
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/387883/… May the lord have mercy on my soul.
 
^ reported as spam. only serves to promote their opinion ;)
 
@NathanOliver Is... is that not what meta is?
Also, only my servers promote my opinion.
 
That chat message, not the meta post
 
"serves/serve" has to be the most misspelled word for developers worldwide.
 
7:47 PM
what about severe servers?
 
@MadaraUchiha it was nice knowing you. SOCVR doesn't moderate Meta so as a room we can't and won't be much of help there.
 
@rene I realize. Thought it might interest a few people here :)
 
Sure, I'm just covering my back in case someone else also tries to spam their meta posts here ;)
 
@rene Don't make me delete your comments! lol
 
Do you use your pedals to cover your back?
 
7:53 PM
@NathanOliver No, he uses those to make the vase move around. He might be using his petals though.
 
sigh, words are hard today
 
@MadaraUchiha I was already tempted to flag the comments but I reckon I need the mod team in the feature so I won't push it too much ...
 
@MadaraUchiha lel, -1 already
 
@TylerH It's +3-4
 
only if you take the red pill
 
8:00 PM
What happens if you take the purple pill?
 
Remember rene? He used to be in focus.
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L...O...L...
 
Oof. I would not enjoy being on that dev team for a 4 year project
 
those senior devs, though... masochists :O
 
8:12 PM
I mean, the easiest programming course I ever had was a Java class in 9th grade where we literally just copied programs out of a book and got a 100 if we transcribed it without errors
I could totally see lazy (bad lazy, not good lazy) senior devs being OK with that for a few years
 
You tried.
 
8:51 PM
Fair point @TylerH, thanks for the edit.
 
np
 
user8682794
9:41 PM
@IronFlare please do not make too many requests until you can also vote to close.
 
Could you elaborate @PearlySpencer? How many is too many?
The only guidance I've been able to find asks us to put a hard limit at 10 requests per day, and I'm nowhere near that.
Just trying to get info about whether or not I should wait until 3k rep to participate
 
Odd. I just made a Google query over site:www.stackoverflow.com and most of the search results were pointing at deleted answers. Is this normal?
 
@E_net4 Yes. Very normal in my case.
I stopped googling anything PHP related because I either get deleted posts or results still using mysql_* API
 
Whelp. Can't reproduce this with Duck Duck Go. :)
 
10:13 PM
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Q: Please don't follow us on [social-media]

Machavitysocial-media 266 questions Social media is the social interaction among people in which they create, share or exchange information and ideas in virtual communities and networks. Seems to be a meta tag. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unam...

 
@Dharman You could exclude pages that contain mysql_*.
 
user8682794
@IronFlare the 10 requests per day limit is for those who can contribute to the room by voting. Until you reach 3k you cannot vote. Normally you should not place any requests although occasional ones would be fine i guess.
 
@Makyen You mean exclude results from stackoverflow.com? Why do we even still have these answers, it's not like anyone is going to find them useful now?
 
@PearlySpencer Oh, interesting. I thought I had heard that one of the goals here was to make the CV process accessible to people with <3k rep. Would it be better for me to not participate until I've reached 3k, then?
 
user8682794
@IronFlare No need to rely on rumors. You can find everything you need to know here: socvr.org
 
10:19 PM
@IronFlare There is not a requirement for you to have 3k rep. The official statement is "requests for actions which you can not perform should be kept to a minimum". That is not meant to mean that you can not make such requests. It's intended to mean that you should limit your requests to those questions which really should be closed quickly. Largely, it's going to depend on how people perceive the requests you make.
 
@Makyen Okay, I appreciate the information. I'll be more careful not to overstep :)
 
@IronFlare For 3k+ users, you're asking for 4 other CVs. If you're below that, you need 5. Thus the request you limit them
 
Got it, thanks!
 

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