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8:01 PM
raghav's only happy when people's goals are impeded by technical difficulty
 
He is afraid that I might take over and take down his play house
 
LIES
 
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are methods with same signature but different parms overloaded by default?
 
I think so
 
8:11 PM
what do you mean overloaded by default?
also fyi
 
params are part of the signature
 
method signature is combination of both the name and the params
high five timy
 
@TaseerAhmad I'm not sure what you mean "by default" but "method with same name but different params" is the definition of "overload"
 
so how does compiler figures out which function to use?
 
8:12 PM
qleoz12 requested access. Rep: 31 - Questions: 1 - Answers: 10 (ratio 4:40)
 
You... call them
 
by.. matching your call to the matching signature
 
nah, it creates speciall accessors
 
!reject
 
@qleoz12 you currently do not meet the requirements to chat here. You can find our requirements in the rules.
 
8:13 PM
@TaseerAhmad the JLS spells out all of the rules that are used to determine which method to call.
 
kotlin overload with default parameters are super awesome
in kotlin, compiler is not generating bunch of overloads for each param
 
what
 
(assuming you mean Java)
 
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are you doing Java or Kotlin, Taseer?
 
8:14 PM
instead it expends the the method with bit values representing which param is set and for what it should use the defaults
 
Kotlin
 
so something like this
fun (par1, par2 = null)
becomes
fun (par1, par2, bit1, bit2)
 
@IvanMilisavljevic then how does the compiler figures out which method to use if one of the method has default param?
 
its creates only one method, but mutated the signature with bits representing which value is set and which is default
 
8:16 PM
Does it compare method with different parm with the 'base' method with no parm?
You guys might wana answer this then
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Q: "Duplicate" methods in a Kotlin class

KennyTrying to get my head around why this isn't at least a warning in Kotlin I had a class with methods similar to this and it came back to bite me: class TestDuplicates { fun doSomething() { print("doSomething()") } fun doSomething(optional: String = "") { prin...

 
The parameter types + function name must be unique between overloaded functions
Then based on what parameters you pass, it will pick the correct function
 
my question is same as the link I shared
 
@TaseerAhmad so these 2 functions are overloaded, but usually first one is going to be striped on compilation
 
What does "striped on compilation" mean?
 
removed by compiler
as unused
you can check stuff like this by converting kt files to java
or reading java bytecode
 
8:22 PM
I compiled that code and it appeared that Kotlin always falls back to 'base' method if no parm was supplied
okay I will start with bytecode
@IvanMilisavljevic I just read the bytecode, that was helpful 👍
 
XD
 
Now I understand why it falls back to the 'default' method
 
no probs man :) bytecode is not really hard to read when you get sense to it
 
@MehdiB. What's funny?
 
I learned many things about compilation while working with Nashorn, highly recommend
 
8:29 PM
> Nashorn initially known as Hornisse (German "hornet"), was a German tank destroyer of World War II.
 
..
 
Most people learn many things when working with Oracle software
Such as how to live with self hatred
And how to curb murderous tendencies
 
@RaghavSood amen brother
 
@Code-Apprentice it changed about a month ago when twitter started requiring you to log in to see content
 
8:30 PM
you get to dig into ASTs etc... and that helps clear many things about the compilation process
 
don't read it taseer
you're not that nerdy
stay innocent
 
^
 
Give in, Taseer
Knowledge is power
Learn all you can
 
Would you rather be cool or like Raghav?
2
 
Be the annoying developer in office
Come over to the dark side
I have cookies
 
8:32 PM
Javascript 🤮🤮
 
please delete the cookies
 
> And how to curb murderous tendencies
I am good, thanks
 
@RaghavSood the fat, greasy guy, usually in sandals, who steps in and points to bugs in std::string
 
I mean... it is the dark side
 
Jan 7 '17 at 23:12, by Mehdi B.
Anyone ever used Nashorn?
it's been already 2.5y... time flies... and 0 achievement :D
I feel like I was doing much cooler, interesting and challenging stuff a few years ago than what I do today
 
8:35 PM
That's because you know more
And have more opportunities to look at new things and go "Why would they do it that way, that's dumb"
 
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
@RaghavSood like android
 
To be fair, you don't need to know a lot to come to that conclusion for large parts of Android
 
I don't know man, I'm not so sure :D
what's sure is that my daily job has never been as instructive and interesting as my side projects
 
How to become a 10x engineer?
 
Start by being a 100x engineer and learning new things
 
8:37 PM
@TaseerAhmad you dont
 
Why would you want to be a 10x engineer
Sounds boring
I'd rather be a 420x engineer
 
I heard that 420x engineers deal with 'high' stakes
 
yolo blaze it
 
420x engineers don't code but keep telling everyone that they used to code and that they can't be played by developers
 
You know what, Kotlin is nice, but I think I should invest my time deep learning Java
For overall, not just for Android
 
8:43 PM
@MehdiB. nice sounds fun
 
why taseer
 
Learn Go and Rust
 
idk, I guess that's the norm?
 
I agree with taseer, the Java ecosystem is so mature that it's very educative, regardless of whether you use it or not professionally
 
@RaghavSood then what do I do with it?
 
8:44 PM
it was the norm before last year
get with the times
 
@TaseerAhmad Build a life for yourself
 
Honestly, don't learn random languages - find a project, learn something that fits it well
 
last year? I've been using Kotlin since 2016 y'all were just late to the game
 
if you don't want nice and prefer learning the lower level might as well go a couple steps lower
 
8:45 PM
You don't want to do large scale data analysis in Go or Rust, Python is a good option for that
 
it doesn't matter if you join the game late if you can catch up in 2 months
 
XD
 
You also don't want to learn Java, lest you run the risk of being hired by OkCupid and having to work with Adam and watching your employer dissolve one day after he clears the recycle bin
 
Learn something that fits the task at hand until you know what kind of work you want to do, then focus on the tooling for that
 
8:46 PM
you don't have to work with adam, he is a senior now, seniors don't work
 
its hard to be really good ad something if you always do new stuff
 
o/
@AdamMc331 show off
 
in terms of new languages and platforms
 
@IvanMilisavljevic I just want to become somewhat or close to expert in least 1 general purpose language, maybe I am not sniffin around low level stuff that's why I am not sure
 
Why pick a language, not a field?
Any turing complete language is general purpose by definition
 
8:48 PM
yeah that makes sense
 
it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert in something. Go get em
 
pick a filed and master it
 
^
field*
 
@RaghavSood I am not sure where else to go beside Android
 
8:49 PM
@TaseerAhmad Good news, it's 2019 and things are easier to explore than ever
 
^
 
if you're just at the brink, don't get into android
 
@TimCastelijns I must be an expert at sleeping
 
Remember, 10000 hours is less than 2 years of non-stop 16 hour days
You should aim to master five things in a decade
6 if you can get them to overlap well
 
8:51 PM
or you could have a life
 
agreed
with both
 
master friendships and staying out too late just cause
 
No.
 
yikes dave said the f word
 
Everyone knows that Raghav is allergic to friendliness
 
8:53 PM
@TaseerAhmad ML, Data Engineering, Blockchain, IoT, DevOps, Backend Dev, there is a big word out there
 
I have my interests in most of the technologies, but I have trouble picking one because there are so many options. I am like a kid that goes in a toy shop and cant make a decision because there are so many toys
 
don't pick a technology, pick a field
 
Become a toy maker
 
what are your top 5 interests
 
We should all become career counselors
 
8:55 PM
I don't even know if I made the right move, let alone the next move or a whole career :D
jk I have a rough idea
 
You should come spend 10k hours fixing my car
It probably needs about that many hours
you'll be an expert on my car
 
I should buy a car
But I've been here over a year, so I'll need to get a local licence too
So much effort
 
I made the right move for the first 10 years or so. God knows what will come after
 
I don't regret having done Java for the past 5-6 years, yet
Better yet @Taseer learn COBOL and become an expert in that, you'll make millions
As all the oldies retire you can contract out for 5x what their salary was
Until the work eventually dries up in 20 years, but you'll be set
 
In that case, you should be going for COBOL and FORTRAN
 
8:58 PM
I'm baaaack from my meeeeting
 
you prepare a PhD in the same time, and when it all dries up you go teach on an university
 
O no.
 
Is FORTRAN even used in production anymore? I know COBOL is for suresies
 
The finance industry uses both extensively
 
8:59 PM
Ah nice, yeah I'm in that industry and I've seen the cobol side
 
there is also Pacbase
 
It hurts my brains
 
Recently had a company tell us "Oh yeah, this protocol is a little old so it doesn't support authentication, we suggest you colocate in our rack in the datacenter and we'll patch an ethernet cable to you so that no routers or other parties can tamper with the data"
Turns out "little old" means 1980s
 
9:00 PM
btw anyone interested in meeting with me and @adam? I'm pretty sure he is visiting amsterdam after his talk in london
 
@TimCastelijns 1- Mobile development (because I enjoy my ideas bring to life). 2- Connected devices, IoT as you could call them, 3- Networking/security. I don't know rest 2
 
interested yes, but can't afford. Will have to catch you guys some time I'm in Europe =] If you're all alive still at that point
 
cool. "I enjoy my ideas bring to life" do this
 
@TaseerAhmad Do a home automation project with a control app on your phone, 3/3
 
write new software that lets me connect my laptop to my BMW ECUs
 
9:01 PM
@RaghavSood perfect, now I would have to find the hardware
 
so I don't have to translate german to english
 
@TimCastelijns if i find a new company yes
when is that exactly?
 
Hmm, looks like questions on SO look a bit different now, I don't have to look all the way to the right to see when a question was asked and the amount of views it has
 
later in the year
 
Raspberry Pi + ESP32 + ESP8266 + WS8212 + assorted components as you need them
Aliexpress is your friend
 
9:02 PM
Roger that
 
nice that could work
 
You can start with something super simple like an ESP or RPi controlling an RGB LED strip, you can put that together with off the shelf stuff in <1 day
And then fan out into more complex stuff like locks, motorized blinds, guns, automated bombs and trapdoors, etc.
 
it's 24-25 oct
 
FBI, yeah, this guy right here
 
9:03 PM
I used to love automating home stuff before I started moving every year
 
I am saving whatever raghav is saying, as for the bombs, I am not responsible
 
@RaghavSood XD
 
Plus, you'll learn a lot about writing resilient, maintainable software in general - once you have 5+ ESPs deployed, you'll find yourself with a sudden urge to figure out OTA updates, and how to run a server and command and control center to handle them automatically
 
@TimCastelijns I wish I could this time. :( You should just come to London
 
@ballBreaker Aren't you in Europe? Is there an FBI there?
 
9:05 PM
I am not, no
FBI is everywhere bruh
 
They see you when you're awake and watch you when you're asleep
 
Just like Santa
-.-
 
creep
 
9:06 PM
@AdamMc331 but you reacted with a <3 on facebook
 
I was doing that to everyone tho
 
Yikes
 
wow ok
unfriended
 
I'll go back and sad react
 
@RaghavSood XD
 
9:08 PM
You can't just give Tim your heart and take it away like that, man
 
@AdamMc331 😂😂😂
 
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Alright, I am off to sleep, bye
 
@TimCastelijns he does it with everyone
@TimCastelijns xD
 
9:10 PM
Adam only angry reacts to my facebook comments on his posts :(
 
This one is fucking me up
 
@RaghavSood <3 only for humans
 
That picture hurts my eyes
 
9:12 PM
Oh, I get it now
had to reread the instructions like seventeenteen times
 
hahahaha
 
lol
 
> Apparently, the compiler generates a synthetic method
 
9:13 PM
@TimCastelijns you are not making one?
 
If we decompile it to Java bytecode this is what we get:
The word you're looking for is transpile
 
oh yeah maybe
 
got it, smartass XD XD XD
 
I did a transpile at the pride fest this past june
 
9:14 PM
lol
 
Tbf, Taseer used what we told him and then went to the effort of actually doing it and making sense of it, that's a +1 from me
 
._.
I'm a nice person, so I upvoted his answer too
Lol
 
I'm a mean person so to balance the universe I'll downvote it
 
future note for meta visitors, I am not part of this voting ring
 
9:16 PM
He's the leader
 
my thoughts exactly
 
We're all receiving instructions off site
 
_______________________________________
 
i am not either and I strictly condemn it
 
9:17 PM
Mehdi is the coordinator
 
End of discussion on if timmy is part of this voting ring
_________________________________ So is Mehdi
 
I endorse voting rings and collusion of all kinds
 
@RaghavSood XD
How can we be sure there was no collusion on the latest mods election?
 
@ballBreaker But you haven't casted any votes
 
OH, I just endorse it, I don't participate
 
9:21 PM
any of you following the drama on meta? Stackpocalypse is nigh
 
No! link please?
 
Same
@ballBreaker you should
 
just as a heads up
hover over my message, go to the right and there is a flag, a star, and an arrow
click the arrow to direct reply to messages
 
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hats off to the so team who drives a business based on the high involvement of their community, must be awfully hard
 
9:23 PM
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start here
 
the problem appears to be, mehdi, that they don't involve the community anymore
 
Yeah i've seen that relationship deteriorate in the past 5 years
 
Ooo almost time to leave
 
9:32 PM
was it unjustified? or was it due to the community stopping being constructive on their feedbacks?
(I didn't follow much the events)
 
Probably depends who you ask, I know some people that are heavily involved in meta SO and they are cheesed and have been for a while
 
they simply stopped asking for feedback before rolling out changes
 
> No offense, I didn't even read your entire post because it was boring, which was the fun part about the randomness hot meta posts provided.
LOL
 
@TimCastelijns coool nice drama
 
ah, they probably struggled financially and decided to remove the feedback loop and the time it drains
 
9:34 PM
True
This is the time investors ask for their money back
 
I feel like some people take SO wayyyy too seriously
 
true, but those are the people that made SO what it is
 
It started after the ads testing
This drama I mean
 
Yea the users are definitely the main part of SO
but reading stuff like "Why, if you are aware of this issue, do you continue to push out changes, without at the very least, consulting the community?" just makes them sound very entitled.
 
9:37 PM
Yeah, if everybody leaves, bye bye SO
 
LOL @ballBreaker the danceoff between jared leto and the emo nerd in S2
 
I read once someone on meta saying he regretted not having invested all the time he gave to SO on his side projects
 
yeah
the community feels cheated i guess
 
it's 50-50 for me. I wasted god knows how many hours curating content, but also almost everything I know I learned on here. No regrets
 
not sure if serious
the 2nd part I guess, OK
it's true for most of us I guess
 
Serious about what?
 
blaze it
 
I didn't vote at all, I'm pretty nuetral
I really only care about functionality and that enough people stay to keep running SO
 
@InsurgentPointerException about the curating part. Not many tools available to you
 
9:45 PM
I've gone from being super involved to actually not being able to read through a meta post without getting bored
 
@TimCastelijns Yeah. I'm pretty close to it tho
 
gone are the days where I spent 2 hours a day on reviewing edits
 
don't bother. I have never experienced a bigger waste of time than shoveling shit on SO
 
^
 
9:47 PM
^
 
i need some game recommendations
 
If @MehdiB. were here right now he'd be shaking his head saying "You children grew up in depressing places"
 
oh I am here, and I'm absolutely no better than the rest of us :D
 
he might be busy watching norsemen for the 4th time
 
9:49 PM
XD
 
It's still not done downloading :(
 
@MehdiB. You said it wrong. It should be:
x.....d?
 
right x.....d?
 
9:51 PM
lol
 
Good good @MehdiB. I know why you are an RO now
 
Mostly because he paid us well
 
xD
 
I know how it works @RaghavSood
I "think" he told me
 
9:54 PM
btw, I'm the junior RO here :D
there comes the senior
 
I hereby promote you to senior RO
 
don't matter to me
 
thought we didn't have a budget for a promotion Tim, did Insurgent pay his fees?
 
no but I thought ray initiated the transaction
 
9:55 PM
huh? which one?
 
the first 250$ for 1 week access
 
._.
I thought you voted ppl in
 
no that would be silly lol
 
Sneak pic of our throne room
 
That's what @MehdiB. told me. Right Mehdi?
 
9:58 PM
Hello, Android!
 
@InsurgentPointerException don't forget that I am a junior, sometimes I say wrong things
better trust our seniors
 
hold up insurgent
just checked the data, it seems you have reached your monthly message quota
 
9:59 PM
What is it now?
uh oh, that doesn't sound good
 
you can continue chatting for $1 per message until your quota resets
 

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