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12:55 AM
@MikaelDúiBolinder I don't know bro, I just got introduced to it today, I usually code normally but a friend told me to take the 30trial and if it makes my work easy, which it actually does then I'll buy it.
You know time is really precious this days
 
 
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4:29 AM
@BlackSherou there's also CodeRush from DevExpress which is cheaper and my personal favourite. Maybe you should give it a try too in 30 days.
 
 
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5:31 AM
yo
@Wietlol task-based asynchronous programming
 
5:50 AM
@ChristianMatthew climbing into the landing gear of an airplane
 
oh, I thought we were just naming things that were a bad idea on second thought
 
TAP?
lol what's wrong with tap
 
ah
everything is wrong with it
 
um it's pretty good what is wrong with it
 
5:54 AM
just to be clear, you mean programming with Task<T>/async/await, right?
 
Buenos dias
 
yes tap
 
first of all, it messes up your classes' apis, leaking implementation details to the abstraction interfaces
secondly, you duplicate your entire code in order to make both non-async way work and async way work
thirdly, you increase noise by a ton to provide `Task<T>` types and `async/await` keywords everywhere
fourthly, you ruin generic variance since Task is invariant
fifthly, you ruin any chance of having sane higher order functions in your code, since they will be messed up with await chain
sixthly, the **only** problem that it solves wasnt supposed to be a problem in the first place
 
no you have to asynchronous programming
 
not to mention, the monad is broken, since you cannot unwrap it without wrapping it into a new monad
 
6:02 AM
that part I agree is weird
or annoying but
the sum of the whole is more important than it's part
 
I think you forget to read this
> the only problem that it solves wasnt supposed to be a problem in the first place
 
what do you think it solves?
 
well...
the direct problem it solves is that you dont have to program in callbacks
the problem that the callbacks solved was that you dont freeze important threads
the advantage of callbacks (as opposed to just creating another thread) was that you dont create unnecessary new threads
in the case of threading, you still freeze a thread, but you dont freeze, for example, the UI thread or the handler thread, but one specifically made for your task
in the case of callbacks, you close the thread that starts awaiting, and you construct a new one when the await is done (except when the await was already done in which case you just continue with the old thread)
 
all task are started together if you choose to do concurrency
it's life
when you program http you must understand it and you must use it
in javascript EVERYTHING uses it
there's no escape
 
that is JavaScript
in which case, I understand it because you dont have multiple threads
in C#, a much better approach exists
 
6:13 AM
no not when you're on a single thread
it's the same
running all synchronous code would be blaspheme across the wire
 
its not the same if you use one thread in C#... because you dont use one thread in C#
 
its the same when you want your thread pool efficient right
spinning and using threads all over the place can't be efficient
it's like a rate limiter right
 
not exactly, threads are pretty damn efficient and hardware evolved into making it even more efficient
 
i'm working with 1 thread that is doing things in a particular way why would I go over and around that in a blocking way
parrallel programming in http programming has many disadvantages
you're asking for trouble your asking for blocking
and that's just not a good thing
 
trust me, it is still better than async/await
 
6:20 AM
there's no way
that argument doesn't make sense because you'd just be blocking until work is done no matter how fast it was
this is why people ran to node
 
First person dare to argue programming pattern with Wietlol in this week.
 
@ChristianMatthew that is why you block a new thread
 
sure, blocking threads and making new ones is not really the best way
 
@Wietlol what do you mean
all the java code where I work is all synchronous
like all of it
 
6:24 AM
but I think it is not as bad as duplicating your entire code, ruining any form of variance, leaking implementation details to abstractions, adding tons of noise to your "normal" code and ruining any form of higher order functions
 
you can write synchronous programming
in or out of a tap
it doesn't all have to be tap
but but but
like javascript EVERYTHING comes in promises and you just got to deal with it. Like fetch for example
 
ye, everything comes in tasks in C# now
doesnt mean it is good
 
ohayou
 
coroutines or fibers would have solved a lot of headaches
 
i think it's good just more to learn
which is...\
another thing that is good about it is your code is run very much in the way you expect it to
 
6:30 AM
in async?
hardly
 
I'd choose TAP over extension methods.
 
there needs to be a programming language where you can like, put code in a [ ... ] block and a thread will automatically be assigned to run it asynchronously
with some strong emphasis on immutability
like all variables are immutable by default, and if class state can change via a method, it must be declared as such, and const instances cannot call non-const methods which change state
that's sort of the C++ approach to immutability, but I really liked it
you just shouldn't be able to cast from const to non-const
 
@Wietlol why not at is all chained effectively and calmly awaits while work is being done. it is very organized
 
@Neil how about a language that does it exactly as C# does, except you dont have to put async/await everywhere nor use Task<T> ?
 
@ChristianMatthew well yes, if by organized you mean it works, sure
 
6:34 AM
(async/await/Task<T> will still be used for Task.Run() for example)
wouldnt that be nice?
 
@Wietlol oh but that way you couldn't create your own language :P
 
ye, if someone already did that, I wouldnt be making my own, wouldnt I?
 
well right now this ctor chaining is blowing my mind
this is the worst video i have ever seen in a teaching format
i've never downvoted someone on youtube
i downvoted him
 
hey, guys, question - is it possible to deserialize xml which has couple parent elements?
for example "<Parent></Parent><Parent></Parent>"
without main container
 
@ChristianMatthew that is actually not so bad
i have seen worse
 
6:44 AM
he was making up words
 
such as?
 
kept repeating that word to
 
parameterized?
 
constructor?
 
6:44 AM
something else I'd have to go back and watch
no maybe he was saying that
i have to listen again
custom
he's saying custom strutor
 
i.imgur.com/O90LSa9.png youtube subtitles froze on this LOL
he says "custom constructor"
which is technically correct
you have two forms of constructors, the default constructor, or a custom made constructor
(custom made can still be auto-generated)
 
it thinks it's german
 
i think its indian
 
no cc on youtube
dies dies hasan
turn on the cc and watch it
i dont' know if that's dutch or what
 
that was english
 
6:48 AM
nope i was right german
 
oh wait
 
it thinks it's german that's the auto setting
 
ye, the subs are in german
 
lol
see thumbs down
 
@mr5 I am not sure what the conversation was about, but I would say that a helper class shouldnt really do anything at all, only redirect to methods of instances you pass without having to deal with their hideous api
for example, int Compute(int operator, int a, int b)
if you want to sum, you always have to do calculator.Compute(Calculator.Sum, a, b)
instead, you can make a helper class to create a method int Sum(Calculator calculator, int a, int b)
(maybe even make it an extension method)
but it should definitely not get that Calculator instance from its own field or something
 
7:23 AM
GoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOd Mornin' pleberinos!
ZE GERMAN WAY IS ZE ONLY WAY
 
SEHR SCHOEN
 
@ChristianMatthew ofc it's an indian dude talking
 
7:39 AM
Hello everybody
how to Remove a specfic property from instence of a model
 
Wat
My guts say you can't and wat do you want to do?!
 
@Squirrelintraining You're LATE!
 
@CaptainObvious Sorry boss :<
 
Set it to null?
 
rEmOvE
 
7:54 AM
can we Assign 0 value to Auto increment colomn?
 
o/
 
morn
 
8:15 AM
@zubairz Try it out
 
good morning
 
morning, and stop coding and enjoy 4th of July, if there are any US dudes around here
 
From Pakistan.. its working time
 
they are not in yet @bradbury9
 
Harrrryyyyy
what did you do??
:(
;)
thank god it wasnt jack daniels
 
8:33 AM
to be fair losing that much jimmy is no loss
i just hope no one got hurt
but the bourbon? fuck that shit. rid of it.
is @CaptainSquirrel around today or did i give him a hernia last night by slandering portugal
 
hes still drunk from licking all that Jimmy of the ground
 
hahaha
 
@Hans *off the ground
 
no
 
@zubairz It depends what language. In C#, you can't remove a property from an object at runtime. You can only set it null. In JS, you jsut go delete(o.prop) and boom.
 
YOU DARE ACUSE ME OF BEING TOO DRUNK?!
also hello
 
hey o/
 
I'm on the late today so i came in late
also
 
Cap'n O7
 
My lady didn't get out of bed until late today
which in turn made me get up late
 
8:45 AM
What is our process for getting code into production? Does it involve filling out dozens of forms and many phone calls?
 
whut
If that's your process i feel bad for you son
I've got 99 problems
but deploying code to production by filling out forms and calling people aint one
IT IS WARM
 
It is...adequately warm.
 
Where was this collab all my life
 
var resultvalue = Mapper.Map<UserDto, UserDtos>(Result.Value[0]);
Im mapping like this using Auto mapper
but also Map AutoIncrement property
 
@CaptainSquirrel New candidate for Captain Obvious right here
 
8:52 AM
i want to ignore The ID property and map remaing values
 
It being mildly warm outside means it's going to be horrible inside
 
am not like
 
i had to have football training ln in 28 degs
lol @ me
 
9:05 AM
gud 4 u
I don't do football
lel
 
boo hoo get back in yer lil cupboard
Football is trash
Prove me wrong
 
oi listen yeah
suck my elbows
4
 
Anyone played FarCry New Dawn?
 
9:12 AM
vidya gaym? gaye
 
Nope.
 
played less than an hour in total but its fun af
I shot an RPG at some dude my SO was trying to get a quest off of
he went to space
literally shot off like team rocket would
 
lol
 
@KendallFrey did you sort your httpclient issue yesterday?
Also
 
Team Rocket is blasting off again... ting
 
9:15 AM
Do you ever sleep
> last seen 35s ago
Guess he has no need for sleep
TIL @Hans1984 will have conversations with people in the sandbox
 
yeah those are my friends
and bots
 
alright haha
 
no we were run out of Java Chat for using the bot too much
now we are in sandbox
 
And that's why the java chat is trash
Well, one of the many reasons
 
reason 1) its java
reason 2) see reason 1
 
9:20 AM
reason 3) Wietlol
 
now the Java Chat is dead
since we were the only ones keeping it alive
you reap what you sow
lol saw
 
meh, objectively not so much different from this chatroom, except for the fact that there are more people here
 
@CaptainObvious OI DONT BE SO RUDE ABOUT M- UHH WIETLOL
 
to be fair I havent used caprica nearly as much as i did OakBot in Java chat
caprica is too arrogant and cocky
 
9:23 AM
can confirm
I'm doing this training thing rite
and its telling me about this visual studio plugin, which is fine
but i have 2019 and the plugin only works for 2017
 
I'm still on 2017 because it works mostly fine and 2019 looks weird
 
@MikaelDúiBolinder thank for suggestion I well try it as well then decide which to go with.
 
I think they tried to space stuff out more which I just hate
 
@Proxy ohaiyo
Good morning everyone , waking up late after sleeping late sure is .........weirdly addictive
?
 
Oh I read that as attractive initially
 
9:29 AM
waking up early after sleeping almost not at all
is terrible
thats how i feel today
 
.....I slept at 7:40~ish GMT
No wonder I have red inward maskara on my eyes
 
Why would you have red mascara on at any time
 
exactly
 
@Hans1984 working late? Or can't just sleep?
 
couldnt sleep
 
9:32 AM
Unless you've got blonde eyelashes that seems fairly pointless
 
too much on my mind
 
I have a thermometer on my desk today. It's currently reading 27 degrees
 
@CaptainObvious ever woke and just want to mix newly brewed hot traditional tea with beer?
 
No because I don't like beer.
 
gasp are you possessed?
 
9:34 AM
:D
 
@Hans1984 meditation works to clear the mind, also you can take a day off and go outside of the city, go to the mountains
 
I do breathing technique to calm me down in those nights
478
 
i feel very unmotivated today
 
Does your Qi accumulate? Do you cultivate like the fabled Immortals
 
this morning before going to work, I decided a little bit of hot sauce would spice up my lunch. Fast forward 20 minutes when I put in my contact lenses.. O_O
apparently there was some hotsauce on the outside
 
9:37 AM
oh boy
x_x
 
@Harry relax watch some por- Cough Disney Movies
 
I can't tell you how difficult it was to open my eyes to remove the contacts
I had to fight the automatic response to want to close my eyes and never open them again
 
yeah dont we all feel that way at times
 
and how
 
but i bet it burned like crazy
 
9:38 AM
@Neil same as me you got inward red mascara on your eyes too
 
@Neil you're such a tool
worst ive ever done is take them out after cleaning my teeth
 
@Harry yes, I like to think like a tool, I can help accomplish anything
 
accomplish blindness
 
cough
 
I don't usually make blunders like that, that was particularly awful though
 
9:40 AM
Neil are you from UK?
 
Nope, Italy
 
Shame
 
Why
Ive never been to italy
 
I killed a few brain cells imagining him cursing bullocks, and bloody wanker
 
9:43 AM
Bollocks is the word you're looking for
 
at least you eat italian food whenever you want :)
 
I like bollocks.
It's a nice word
 
@CaptainObvious nice one, yes that one
 
apparently not a very nice word to use in the UK
though not really used in the states
 
bollocks is a great word
us brits love it, who have you been talking to
 
9:45 AM
What's the most brutal world you would normally go for if got put into some situation like Niel's
 
cunt
2
 
id shout ach you stupid c___
 
Why insult holy places
 
im not religious
the only holy place for me is the pub
 
9:47 AM
I agree to that
Nothing beats a cold beer after a day of hard work
 
I'm not keen to hurl insults at my own stupidity, because it basically means in addition to having an epic fail, I'm also insulting myself :)
 
Well if it was me, I wold usually say sh*t allover like chanting a mantra
Here is the weird thing, also the reason I askes
 
lets see, what other stupid things have I done?
 
Asked
 
I slammed my bare foot into a corner next to my refrigerator
I think I collapsed and cried for a full 10 minutes
 
9:51 AM
ooh im on the star board twice
im famous mum
 
I've stepped on plenty of legos, and while that was painful, slamming my foot into a corner was far worse
 
You don't have a mum, she's dead remember. Now get back in your little cupboard and shush
 
O_O
 
stupid Things:I cut my Adams apple while shaving
it took forever to stop the bleeding
well i cut the Skin of course
 
@CaptainObvious vs 2019 looks like they took vs code and added all the Visual Studio functionality into it
 
9:53 AM
I have this childhoodfriend of mine everytime he gets hurt, his eyes would tear up and fill with tears and Alamos at point of spilling to his face, he would bite his lips and endure for a good 4 seconds then say : it huuuurts , in the most wronged voice ever
Now he is a grown burly man and he still does it ........
 
going down stairs to our Basement i jumped the last two steps and hit the ceiling with my head
that was also very stupid
 
@Hans1984 were you trying to teleport ???????
 
yeah i was trying some Kind of time travel
but it didnt work
 
My Grandparents have a low ceiling on their stairs and i have to duck every time i come back down the stairs
 
9:55 AM
I've hit my head on that more times than i care to count, so i know the feel @Hans1984
 
;)
 
i went to warwick castle and when it was built people were midgets so the doors were small and i kept bashing my skull off them
 
@Hans1984 oh god
 
@Harry my uncles house is like that
Their bathroom upstairs is huge but the door is like 4 foot tall
 
As a kid The stupidest I ever done, putting cut aluminium foil into a plastics bottle with acide in it by accident, fortunately I was trying gather aluminium foil in a bottle so a dropped the bottle on the table and went to the ground collecting the foil all over the workshop
It exploded when I arrived at the last corner
 

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