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2:10 AM
was just about to ask about those reopen votes and reread your message
 
2:29 AM
 
3:18 AM
no worries. was meant to be more of a flagpost than anything
:)
ok mod handled it
 
3:47 AM
I just put a dualcorn picture in my last flag, and it was marked as helpful hibernatingrhinos.‌​com. Thank you @BhargavRao
 
@Cœur I didn't get you. This was the link from where the post was plagiarized web.archive.org/web/20171123155722/http://hibernatingrhinos.com
 
a joke on unicorn [I_I]'
 
Ah, you called a double horned rhino as a dualcorn.
Sorry bout that, still quite early in the morning so brain's not fully up
 
That's also cause of my French. "horn" in French is "corne".
 
The only French I know is from watching some nice films ...
> Do you like some sugar?
> Oui, oui
> You speak very good French
> Gracias
 
3:58 AM
:D Laughing-Crying
 
kinda sad that he stopped making films after that
 
@Bhargav Have you seen Johnny English 3? :D
 
Nope, I heard from friends that it isn't good.
 
I dunno. I thought it was pretty good. Not as good as the second one (that was the best IMO), but still vintage Rowan Atkinson
 
Yup, reborn was classic
 
4:07 AM
@TylerH I've been from long-url to short-url on my own user profile description when reaching the 3000 characters limit. And I guess it would make sense on a few lengthy tag wiki to workaround a known issue. So, yes, only for length limitations would one shorten an URL.
@BhargavRao Omelette du fromage youtube.com/watch?v=8nW3-9gdjYA
 
@Cœur origins of ASMR
 
Oh yeah, that too.
I follow /r/polandball. That also helps improve my French.
Coolio, time to get ready for office. Cya guys later \o
 
4:41 AM
Is it worth doing a 20k /dev/null on this question, or should we just leave it alone to Roomba?
 
4:59 AM
Autoflagged FP: flagged by @SmokeDetector, @Rob, @CalvT
 
5:24 AM
@StephenKennedy sorry, rule 87 is pretty blurry in the FAQ, so until rene comes, members can violate it. beep! beep! beep! beep! beep! beep!...
 
6:03 AM
 
 
2 hours later…
7:37 AM
Hey Yo
 
7:50 AM
@hs-dev2MR Hey, if this is your first time in SOCVR I suggest you go over our FAQ and tour to prevent any misunderstanding of what is expected in this room. We're a bit stricter on what is allowed then in other chatrooms and for some users that might come as a surprise. I like to prevent that, hence me linking you to the guidance that comes with this room.
 
8:09 AM
@ankiiiiiii use tag: before tags e.g. [tag:python], also please specify a reason as to why you think the question should be closed
 
user10063119
umm reopened*
 
@ankiiiiiii And if you haven't already done so, please read the FAQ at SOCVR.org
 
user10063119
am I at the right place? It said reopen reviews are welcome..
 
@ankiiiiiii So that you know, this room does not permit requests about questions where you are the author or otherwise "involved" in the post. Please see #15 in our FAQ.
 
@ankiiiiiii Potentially, though I'm not much of a python user, so can't really say either way on that one, plus as Makyen mentioned you can't put requests on your own questions. Is there any particular reason why that duplicate question doesn't address your issue?
 
user10063119
@MichaelDodd As in the last line, The error in other question stops server from starting, while mine is allowing to setup and error is at a later stage. Also since I added the answers in my code already and it didn't work, so situation is different. OR maybe I am a noob.
 
user10063119
@Makyen Sorry for that, I was happy enough to find that reopens are welcome.
 
@ankiiiiiii The question was closed by a single user with a lot of experience in answering Python questions on here ("gold-hammered"), so it may be worth pinging that user in the comments of that question. Else
 
user10063119
Also @barmar didn't leave comment so couldn't ping him. On apple.SE, a comment appears automatically if duplicate flagging occurs.
 
@ankiiiiiii Your question was closed as a duplicate. What might be effective in getting it reopened is to use a comment on the question to ping the gold-badge user who closed it. Given that the user was the only user involved in closing your question, you can ping them by @[username]. Note that their username won't autocomplete, but it is possible to ping someone in comments on a question which they have unilaterally closed.
 
user10063119
8:16 AM
Oh this was not flagging, but Direct closing.
 
Morning o/
 
One other alternative is to ask at Meta, but make sure you have a solid explaination as to why your question is not a duplicate.
\o
 
user10063119
Okay! didn't know about pinging someone not in thread. Thanks a lot!
meta will give me downvotes.
 
@ankiiiiiii I understand that. They used their gold-badge to close your question as a duplicate. When a user is the only person that closed a question, then they can be pinged from comments. As I mentioned, their name won't autocomplete, but you can enter it manually.
 
@ankiiiiiii Meta votes don't affect your reputation. Downvotes on meta are seen more as disagreement than a reflection on quality.
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user10063119
8:18 AM
off to pinging
 
8:56 AM
 
@AnttiHaapala Is that a self-duplicate? What would be the advantage for that over just letting the other question be closed and roomba'd?
(I'm <10k so can't see the original)
 
@AnttiHaapala open, now dupe vote
 
@AnttiHaapala I don't see a reason to undelete that. It appears to be a self-duplicate using a different account.
 
@AnttiHaapala Can't be marked as a duplicate, different account, might be worth a modflag to get that account nuked, likely created to avoid a Q-ban
 
@ErikA indeed.
 
9:02 AM
@ErikA Yep, chucked in a modflag
IMO both questions should be deleted by roomba
Aaaand both questions mod-nuked
 
@BhargavRao <3
I should have modflagged right away I guess, I just didn't notice it was a different user
 
@AnttiHaapala <3
the queue is relatively empty. 5 flags...
 
haha good work
 
Anyone reading Russian? I don't know how to review this: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/23371061
 
@Cœur I'd go no improvement but that's just me
 
9:11 AM
@Cœur seems to be s/"excrement"/property/ but perhaps should be translated to English...
 
hehe
 
disclaimer: я не говорю по-русски.
(except just that much)
 
9:50 AM
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[project-management]"
@EJoshuaS ^
more, more, more! xD
 
 
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12:17 PM
Bids are open on being burninated. Discuss
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Zoe
12:43 PM
 
But it's gone :(
 
@Zoe Definitely ;o
 
Question, is it ok to link to a metasmoke page when raising a modflag?
i.e. if the same site is persistently being spammed in now-deleted answers
because that's 10 instances now
 
@MichaelDodd Probably if you mention that, along the lines of "the site is a common spam target as can be seen here: metasmokelink", probably depends on the mod though
 
1:55 PM
@MichaelDodd as extra context, sure. But the flag needs to be able to stand on his own, so include as much as you think is needed in the flag itself.
 
Oh yeah. Forgot to mention. My life is no longer on hold and we have our passports back. My wife now has permanent residency in the UK
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Feels good to be able to plan stuff again after 6 long months
 
Congrats
 
@MichaelDodd So she doesn't have to Brexit after all?
 
@Machavity Nope, and the irony is it'll probably be easier for her to visit the EU than me at the end of the year
 
2:24 PM
@MichaelDodd nice!
 
Is this change superfluous?
I believe additional conversational text like that actually harms readability, because it doesn't bring any value to the post and just distracts the reader.
 
Maybe if it were new it would be fine, but that post is nearly 6! years old
There's no reason to edit it
 
@Matthew I'd say so. It removes fluff but doesn't change anything of substance. Maybe if you were 2k+ it'd be ok but not worth putting that through a review queue.
 
Well how long does the conversational text have to be before it is no longer considered superfluous to edit it out? I would guess over 50% would qualify.
Or does it always have to be accompanied with grammatical and formatting edits before it will be approved?
 
@Matthew The question in this case is if it's worth at least two other site users taking the time and a review point to look at that edit.
At 2k+ you're free to do whatever you like
 
2:39 PM
@MichaelDodd Oh I see, so if I were to do an autonomous edit (past 2k rep) then it would be a good thing, but the problem was dragging other users into it.
Still don't see why reject such an edit out of spite...
 
It's not out of spite, it's because they don't want you making edits like that, and if they don't reject it, you won't receive that message.
 
@Matthew Depends on the reviewer. As an example, when someone uses pointless formatting i.e. random bold, italics and inline, then that's an instant reject from me
 
Spite? I would've rejected it because it wasn't worth bumping the post, not because the change shouldnt be made
 
Others will have different thresholds of what counts as "substantial"
 
@NickA That's a good point
Alright I am not gonna drag the old posts through the queue, I think I get the point you guys are making.
 
3:03 PM
That SD report is spam
 
SD is spamming now?
 
@StephenKennedy Apparently so. Smokey has gone to the dark side
 
@Machavity the dark side is a pathway to many moderation tools that some would consider to be...unnatural.
 
Still got a pending modflag against the user in that last SD report for spamming that site. That's number 11 now
 
3:20 PM
lol, oops... I just accidentally "ignored" Michael... how can I undo?
 
@StephenKennedy :'(
whahay! I can say anything I like about him and he won't see!
 
ah found it
 
@StephenKennedy Michael said some truly horrible things about you :P
 
Though nothing else foul will be typed from this keyboard today as I'm off home. Bai!
 
o/
 
3:28 PM
@Nkosi You can always see your own deleted posts regardless of reputation, assuming you have the URL saved. That would also include showing who deleted it. IIRC you don't get a notification when your post is deleted but I could also just be wrong--AFAIK the only posts of mine that have been deleted were self-deletes.
 
G'day... seeing the request reminded me of another burnination request (meta.stackoverflow.com/q/385971/74757) that was popular but didn't seem to get any backing. What's the right way to give it a bump?
 
Give it an upvote, it's barely 2 weeks old, and there's well, a backlog of burn requests
 
@Cᴏʀʏ No need to bump burns. We do have a working list
 
@NickA Thanks Nick! Adds a star next to Nick's name and moves Michael to the naughty column
 
Wooo stars! :D
 
3:33 PM
@Machavity: Excellent. Thanks for the info
 
3:45 PM
@Cᴏʀʏ that particular burnination request is reviewed and the advice is to do a burnination for that tag. When it is scheduled is up to the mod team and depends on factors that are not known to us and that is fine.
 
@RobertColumbia It is advised to use cv-pls requests in this room for recently added or edited questions, see FAQ - socvr.org/faq#GEfM-cv-pls-not-a-habit
 
@VadimKotov thanks, I thought the rule was six months. How recent would you say is recent enough?
 
@VadimKotov it could fall into the category of low-traffic tag...
 
@RobertColumbia I thought it is several days or weeks. Not sure about that, I think someone here can clarify that
@PetterFriberg That's true
 
@RobertColumbia more 6 weeks ...
 
3:54 PM
you see not even rene knows exactly, important is the idea in general... to not start digging in old stuff, often we close these old question since a NAA (link only answer arrives), if you are active in a low traffic tag and find something that is really bad well lets close it
 
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Q: We don't need this in our tag [inventory]

Robert ColumbiaI don't think inventory should be part of our tag inventory. 1. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? Is it unambiguous? No, it just informs the reader that the programming question somehow involves some kind of inventory, of which there are many. It doesn't tel...

 
ooh I'm tired of these request...
 
@PetterFriberg burnination requests?
 
yeah...
 
Steer clear of the Trogdor room, then :-P
 
3:56 PM
burnination burnout
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They're a bit tedious aren't they
@Nkosi Sounds like a gameshow
 
lol
one tag enters......
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@TylerH I'm, I watch you but I don't have energy anymore for useless burnation, I praise BR for his enormous effort... but yeah SO will not change much with or without the inventory tag...
 
@PetterFriberg I for sure suggested 6 to 8 weeks but that was dismissed and 6 to 8 days was to short and no common time designation existed between those. And 6 to 8 42 hours sounds strange
 
3:57 PM
:)
so now it's just 6-8... :)
 
@PetterFriberg you can vote on those requests as well. In case you forgot ;)
 
also personally I feel it's targeted on wrong tags.. like inventory, heck yeah it's not the best tag, but if we energy to spend lets spend it on important stuff, important tags to remove (those that make mess, those that encourage off-topic stuff etc..
 
@StephenKennedy FYI it's licensing*
 
@rene I'm kind laying back, hoping the the community is correct (they love to post and vote on that stuff), now that BR is taking a break, I guess it make not much difference :)
 
@TylerH Not in the Queen's English old fruit lexico.com/en/definition/licence
 
4:03 PM
@RobertColumbia Generally the cut off I see used is 1 to 2 months, but I use a sliding scale based on the question age and last activity. If a question is 3 or 4 months old, I need to see activity within the last week to view it as "recent activity", but if the question is 5 or 6 years old, then activity 6 months ago is "recent", for me. tl;dr - it's relative.
 
@PetterFriberg Oh they love to post and vote on it, but doing the work? Not so much :)
 
@StephenKennedy I don't see anything about Freddie Mercury on that page
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@Machavity the recent answer on that post also runs afowl afoul of spam requirements (it lacks explicit disclosure of affiiliation)
 
@StephenKennedy exactly :D, now tell me why we should we review all questions with are most of them off-topic, what damage does it do?... Yeah vote up tag sucks, but let it be don't spend effort on 500 questions that are likely to be like another set of 500 questions
 
@TylerH Meh. It does disclose but the Q is terrible. But left a comment for him
Once we delete the Q it's all gone
 
oh let me also post a meta about the .... or why not let me post 5434 meta about all the useless tags...
 
4:07 PM
@TylerH Or a lurking mod nukes it
 
@Machavity Mmm, I was under the impression disclosure had to be explicit rather than implicit, but the FAQ just says "However, you must disclose your affiliation in your answers."
 
@TylerH It's borderline. Since we're nuking the Q was just gonna leave it
 
yeah, the flag was disputed by Chris
so it's a moot point
 
Delv-pls that question
 
already gone
 
4:09 PM
@JohnDvorak You can also do that yourself :-)
 
I was telling the chat to delete it, not to request deletion ;)
 
I don't use git much and i'm trying to resync my repo of the socvr-website-content using the website, do i just set the head repo as the upstream one (the SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers one) and the base repo as my personal one and then make a pull request?
 
@NickA On GitHub, or on your local filesystem?
 
on github
 
4:17 PM
idk then, sorry
 
Meh, what's the worst that could happen
 
@VadimKotov From github, not Git Bash
 
@NickA Not sure it is possible via PRs
 
@NickA Git is all fun and games until you collide and someone loses a head
 
4:19 PM
@NickA Do you have local changes in your fork?
 
"... wants to merge 18 commits into ...:master from SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers:master" That sounds right!
 
\o/ go for it
 
It shouldn't matter if your fork is behind as long as the PR doesn't contain any conflicts
GH should tell you that when you try to open the PR
 
When I said I don't use git much, I meant ever lol
We use TFS in the office and because it's integrated into VS I don't even have to think about that
 
We use SVN at work (TortoiseSVN in Explorer, and VisualSVN in Visual Studio), so I use TortoiseGit most of the time as it's familiar
 
4:24 PM
Yeah, TGIT is a pretty good tool. Made our switch from SVN a lot easier
 
is it anything like TGIF?
 
@Nkosi Yes, except it has turtles instead of Fridays
 
:P
 
I can feel the heat rising.
 
@Machavity so I can make changes to my personal repo then when I make a PR it will only contain the changes I've made, I don't need to worry about the stuff that is behind (assuming no conflicts)
 
4:35 PM
@NickA What are you working on? Formalising the rule about double-beeps perhaps?
 
@NickA Right. It will try to merge your changes into the current repo
 
Great, thanks
@StephenKennedy I was just gunna update this page to include the April 2019 meeting at the list in the bottom instead of just at the top of the page
 
@NickA Cool, thanks
 
5:03 PM
\o
 
 
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6:30 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis to be fair the target dupe would've been impossible to find
I've updated the title to make it actually reflect what's being asked, and also VTC'd it as a dupe of a better Q&A on the subject
dung would've been more fun
 
6:47 PM
@TylerH Sorry, missed chat. Which post?
 
wipes sweat from brow
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis the message replied to this one
 
oh cool, there's an arrow lol @double-beep thanks
 
Oh you meant Fuchsia, such a lovely color
 
F is for fun except when it gets out of hand (or nearly so) like that. Let's keep the room fun please
 
7:03 PM
F is for friends who do stuff together
 
U is for you and me
 
N is for anywhere and anytime at all!
 
Zoe
N is for no, describing the amount of fun allowed in this room
 
So now we have FUNN
 
7:05 PM
Great, thanks Zoe -.-
 
Zoe
You're welcome ^-^
 
FUN - Flag Unwanted coNtent
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For the record, I only post F to pay respect to the fallen posts :P
 
X, I doubt that
 
Someone should make a userscript that flags a post when you press F (to pay respects in advance)
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7:08 PM
For a moment there I felt like this was a parody of Jingleheimer Junction
 
7:53 PM
For now the stream of bad posts has finally ceased
 
user3956566
@rene you offline too?
 
yeah
it seems to be recovering but caching is off
 
user3956566
ah k
 
user3956566
it's very slow
 
user3956566
wonder if one of the trolls managed a DoS attack lol
 
7:59 PM
I assume Nick redirects them to the 10 hour relaxing YT video's
 
user3956566
you know that instant regret from posting on meta meta.stackoverflow.com/a/386497/3956566
 
user3956566
someone's going to state they do nothing on the site for 12 months and complain about content. If every one had that attitude the site would be untenable
 
Zoe
@YvetteColomb Seems weird for only main to be affected then.
Meta loads fine for me, main is slow af.
 
On a similar issue, how much research effort should we be expecting now? :(
 
user3956566
meta was down for me
 
Zoe
8:03 PM
@E_net4theAbusedDownvoter -12 -- posting before there's a problem, for good measure.
 
@Zoe Interesting.
 
I particularly liked this reply
> But how do you look up how to fix your site when StackOverflow is down?
 
user3956566
it's kinda refreshing to have people actually like the site - on twitter as well!
 
Zoe
It's easy to set up a clone off Shog's Stack Exchange Emergency Backup Kit™
 
user3956566
8:08 PM
lol
 
user3956566
all seeing, all knowing Shoggles
 
@Zoe Step 1: Copy all the questions from Stack Overflow into your Excel spreadsheet
 
Zoe
Step 2: Figure out how to paste all of them into separate cells instead of one massive cell
 
user3956566
lol
 
user3956566
so create a massive table in word instead
 
Zoe
8:16 PM
I actually prefer using .NORM files.
 
8:27 PM
 
Zoe
LOWER CASE G
 
@Zoe Invalid regular expression
 
@Zoe "N is for no, describing the amount of fun allowed in this room" --- Zoe, earlier
 
Zoe
@Machavity /LOWER\s+CASE\s+[A-Z]/g
@StephenKennedy Don't make me release Zombie Zoe on you!
 
8:37 PM
@Zoe Is that worse than killer laser eyes robot Zoe?
 
Zoe
@Machavity You haven't even seen the worst one yet.
 
Nuclear winter fox Zoe?
 
Zoe
Still not the worst one
 
Zoe without internet?
 
Zoe
Pff, right. You could at least try being realistic!
:P
 
8:40 PM
Is it worse than "Steve in the mornings before he's had coffee?"
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy How bad is that on a scale between 1 and Godzilla?
 
I dunno. "Steve after 5 cups of coffee" cast 50 CVs in 3 minutes
 
@Zoe Quite terrible
I suppose I'd better do some more Trogdor reviews before I get assaulted by an angry flower
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy What can they do? Root you? :P
 
9:10 PM
throws stones at the downvoter
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy How primitive! pulls out catapult
 
Am I hearing a threat towards a downvoter!?
*readies big red flag button*
 
@E_net4theAbusedDownvoter No threats, just stones :)
 
@StephenKennedy Oh thank you, I was in dire need of examining a few specimens, except not! :sss
 
Zoe
Sticks and stones may break your bones, but the downvote button always works
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9:15 PM
@E_net4theAbusedDownvoter If that were a no-rep account I'd flag R/A but as it's not, yeah have a close vote
 
Zoe
^
I'm actually considering a red flag because it's an established user. They should know those types of posts don't belong here
 
That's a valid angle too I guess
 
@Zoe What does that even mean these days. :( We have trusted users asking off-topic questions all the same.
 
you mean internet points don't equate with trust?! gasp
 
Zoe
And we have users with a couple hundred thousand rep and several hammers who answer low-quality dupes, and some who ask them too. We just need the tools to handle them properly :]
 
9:20 PM
prescribes a blue diamond *
 
@StephenKennedy It's like the number of posts in a board. The more you have, the less respected you are.
 
*not a licenced medical practitioner in any jurisdiction. Other disclaimers may apply.
 
@StephenKennedy Adding Stack Overflow on the list of places to get stoned.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Don't they come in a different color? :P
 
@Zoe You want pink, don't you?
I suppose that could be arranged
 
Zoe
9:22 PM
@StephenKennedy Fiiinee, if you insist... ;)
 
I have edited this question, but I have second thoughts about doing so. Was I right to do it?
https://stackoverflow.com/posts/35956420/revisions
 
@Dharman You replaced a meaningless title, and removed an irrelevant tag. So far so good. What are you having second thoughts about?
 
@StephenKennedy I feel like I added content to a question not asked by me. I was forced to make up a title to a question. All I wanted to do was to remove the tag, but it wouldn't let me without changing title.
 
@Dharman Yes you did editorialise, but that's not inappropriate when the title is a lousy one like "Can anybody help in my mysql query". I would say, yes you were right.
That question could probably be closed as a duplicate. There appears to be several asking the same thing.
 
9:49 PM
What should I do about this 3 year old question, which for me looks completely incomprehensible?
[How to write query for same table same index group](https://stackoverflow.com/q/36493614/1839439)
 
10:03 PM
@Dharman All you can do in such a case is downvote and vote to close as Unclear
It's not eligible for a here (a request for others to add their close votes) as room rules only allow requests on questions with recent activity.
 
One does not simply git push --force and not expect lord Vader to appear behind you
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@Nkosi You don't know the power of the dark side
 
@StephenKennedy I find your lack of faith disturbing
 
10:28 PM
@StephenKennedy, so I followed your advice and attained the gold badge. :P
 
@Nkosi Well done. That's an impressive collection you've got there!
 
ended up with 2 when all was said and done.
oh those imaginary things that give us some sense of self worth.
<my precious>
lol
 
crumpets
 
<waffles>
wait, is your SO rep actually worth anything IRL?
never really gave it much thought (lies, all lies)
 
I daresay an account with > 100k rep would have some resale value, yes [almost certainly against the T&Cs ofc]
 
10:34 PM
lol
 
11:13 PM
Nice namecheck for me there (a followup comment to the one Joshua asked for flags on)
 

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