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3:38 AM
The burnination of has STARTED! Close Queue - Open questions - Meta post - Burn room.
 
4:03 AM
The burnination of Eject! Eject! [eject]! has finished!
Room owners: you'll need to manually cleanup the burn rooms and gemmy by running @Rodgort untrack eject
 
Rob
@BhargavRao You burned it too quickly for Rodgort to track :(
 
Gemmy will post the updates, right?
Won't Rodgort check those?
 
Rob
Yeah but Gemmy doesn't care about chat rate limits
And will skip a bunch
I'll get rodgort to scan all the questions from sede
Might miss one or two but meh
 
Let's wait for Gemmy to wrap up ...
 
Rob
Might have to change Rodgort to check immediately once it goes to featured
That way none of the questions will slip away
 
4:11 AM
Gemmy still stores every post ...
 
4:43 AM
With the end of [eject], we've completed 35 burn requests in the year June '18 - May '19. We started mid June (16th to be exact), hacked away at the burn reqs, and have less than 400 open ones now, which we wanted to achieve. Starting with [logical], there were many interesting burns, including [bioinformatics], [jetbrains], and so on, where the community gave us a lot of feedback on how to proceed. Nearly 5000 users have taken at least 1 action, in the last 15 of the 35 burns.
For the next few weeks (until June 17th), I think it would be a great idea to get the burn sheet back into the latest version. We can use Rodgort’s data to update it. The burn sheet has very valuable information in the form of “human recommendation” as to what action to take, which has helped a lot in the past year.
(This is just my decision, if other mods want to continue with the burn featuring, I'm fine with it)
Copying the ROs - @rene @Mak @Machavity @TylerH @Stephen ... Lemme know if any of you have any plans on this.
Just realized that I'm no longer in the US timezone... all these guys are probably sleeping :D
 
5:02 AM
what's the "burn sheet"?
 
Apr 27 '18 at 21:10, by rene
@JonClements @BhargavRao the Pass#1 Worksheet is done give or take 4 from TylerH. I've added an extra column, Action Taken by, that should be used to indicate if you have handled the row. Feel free to Create extra filters (I have one called Decline 0-3 that is the batch BR started on). Worth noting that not always the user that is mentioned in assigned actually handled it.
 
Rob
@Rodgort untrack eject
 
@Rob Tag(s) eject successfully untracked
 
 
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6:19 AM
@BhargavRao I just woke up, thank you.
 
... your alarm for the day ;p
 
 
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8:25 AM
Just checked the gitlab for Rodgort. Why don't we add the features we had in the sheet to Rodgort?
We bascially need to build a review queue
Being a .Net dev I'm supposed to know how to do that
 
 
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12:32 PM
@BhargavRao @rene Maybe call it Pass #2? We can pull out the relevant data still there and build a new sheet or system. Would make sense to consider this a new phase
We're considering a review of Pass #1 Worksheet. Comments welcome
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12:51 PM
@Machavity yeah, that sound like a better idea. Copy the structure of the sheet, populate with fresh data and do the same process: assign workload to 10 users, have them select the right action from the dropdown again
 
1:44 PM
Was the recent comment about the URL inaccuracy one of us? It was made by Anon ymous
 
1:55 PM
I do know we had a mishap a couple of moths ago. Not sure what that comment is about
it wasn't me for sure
 
 
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3:57 PM
@TylerH (cc @rene) That note is from me. It was part of cleaning up from having some of the columns on the Review page sorted while others were left in their original sort order. That partial sorting made for some confusion when the page was sorted again. So, I put all of the columns in the same sort order and adjusted some of the formulas to account for it and possible sorting of all columns later. I was supposed to clean that up a few months ago, but kept forgetting/procrastinating.
One of the columns that didn't take into account that there were two sort orders was the assignment of who reviewed each line. The assignment was intended to be made based on the question ID mod 10. However, it was actually made off of some semi-random ID mod 10. However, the use of the question ID was effectively just a static random number (i.e. the ID was used just for the distribution of the numbers to get a reasonably equal distribution of assignments).
Effectively, the assignment of someone to the question was made based on a random number, but it wasn't the random number which was intended. If we are re-assigning the questions to different people, then we can go ahead and use the actual question ID for the random number. That can be done by changing Review!$AH1 to TRUE (that control really should be in a different location).
@Machavity If we're wanting to update the lines on the Review sheet to reflect the current status of each question as to open/closed/deleted, and tagged with [burninate], [retag], [synonym], [status-completed], [status-declined], [status-review], [status-norepro], [status-deferred], [status-planned], [status-reproduced]) then that's something I can do relatively easily in bulk, as was originally done on 2018-07-17. I should be able to do that later today.
Doing so does take some time, as it is only partially automated. If we want it to be kept up to date in near real-time, then automation would be good, or people will need to keep manually updating each line as status changes. The above auto-assisted method of updating was used because it was relatively easy for infrequent bulk updates (i.e. it was a cost trade-off at that time of adapting already available tools vs. full automation).
@Machavity If it makes working with the data easier for people, I'm certainly open to having the data stored in a different format (e.g. in Rodgort), or just a new spreadsheet, if we want to preserve the data in this sheet as it currently is. The spreadsheet was used because that was what we had that didn't take much development time. If we're in a different place, then it's reasonable to choose to use something else.
 
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Next week, on As the World Burns, Makyen details his plans for world domination a burnination bot that's better than Rodgort
 
@Machavity Nah. Rodgort's really good. Why reinvent the wheel? :-)
 
While I think having a system instead of sheet would improve on the minor accidents we had with the sheet, the sheet itself turned out to be supportive enough for our goal, proved to be versatile when we / mods needed a different slice of the data to work on, and anyone capable could extend / support features when needed.
 
Yeah, a sheet is very flexible, though it would be nice to get additional data and functionality into Rodgort...
 
4:11 PM
Can we list that functionality and data?
As I have no clue what we're looking for. Excuse my ignorance
@Makyen I'm both lazy and trained to build the simplest thing that could work. Often that turns out to be a bit too simple.
 
@rene I consider that issue to be my fault. The way I organized the sorting of that sheet to begin with was counter-intuitive (it seemed OK at the time :-( ).
 
don't sweat it. Nobody died. Nor did we went bankrupt or leaked PII
 
4:28 PM
:-)
 
4:46 PM
@rene But enough about DevOps
 
 
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6:13 PM
@Machavity would it be possible to add some stuff about what we do and pin it? I want to share that in Sobotics so that we can get 1 or 2 more users.
 
6:32 PM
My 2 cents: I think we're basically looking for: Do we drive / track the human sanity check on to be handled tag related meta posts in a new google sheet or use Rodgort; how and what data is going to be used to fill the next iteration of the human sanity check; How do we assign resources to the work-batches. How do the mods handle and track the suggested action.
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Trogdor is a room for organizing the Meta requests for tag burnination and cleanup. Phase #1 has been quite successful. We're looking to start Phase 2, adding new requests and removing completed ones
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@BhargavRao That work? ^
 
7:15 PM
@Machavity I think so, at least
@Makyen FWIW I'm sorta at fault too for suggesting and offering to create a Google Doc in the first place, and then work went and blocked Google apps (luckily for an unrelated reason...)
 

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