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12:12 AM
@jpmc26 BTW: We have some userscripts which are helpful. In particular, there's the Request Generator, which will generate cv-pls requests semi-automatically. There's also an alpha version of the Request Generator, which adds significant features.
 
@Makyen Sorry about that. Basically a typo; forgot them. I don't use user scripts, though. I'm not sure they'll work anyone now since SO screwed up and has me in some weirdo half functional variation of the mobile version starting a few days ago. Probably because I'm using a not-officially-supported browser.
 
@jpmc26 np. Userscripts are certainly not a requirement. They are just there to make life a bit easier. There is a bookmarklet version, but that needs to be updated due to some changes in SE's HTML over the last year. If it's something you would use, I'll increase the priority of making the updates to the bookmarklet.
@jpmc26 Yeah, typos happen from time to time. Not having the "correct" syntax isn't a major problem. The main issue is that the request will get less visibility without the actual tag. I'd recommend reposting it with the actual tag.
 
 
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1:24 AM
 
@Makyen Thanks.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, replaced
@jpmc26 np
 
2:17 AM
(burninatnion): I'd like a second opinion on this question whether it is still unsalvagable or not: stackoverflow.com/q/52604829/14768
How's the tag burnination queue doing these days Machavity?
 
2:36 AM
@Joshua Been kinda slow. I've done some but even Double Beep has been laying low
 
Is the SD spam?
 
I think so. He links multiple sites without a real question
His sites also seem to be link farms of some sort
Correction, it's real estate spam
And mod destroyed user
 
Good bot.
 
 
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@Joshua no attempt, definitely seems too broad
 
4:33 AM
What kind of flag should one raise for a comment like You can Google that in 5 seconds?
 
@iBug I would think the expectation is that it would be flagged as rude
but if you don't think it's rude "no longer useful" is probably the remaining catch-all
 
5:17 AM
@iBug I'd probably go with "It's unfriendly or unkind.".
 
@iBug That's a canonical example from the new CoC of a comment that's unfriendly or unkind - even if it is, in fact, true.
 
5:34 AM
thanks
 
@iBug What is the exact wording?
"The answer to this comes up readily via a Google search. Please do more research before posting questions," is "like" the example you mentioned, but I don't think it deserves to be flagged.
 
@jpmc26 no real occurrence, I just came up with it (at random)
@jpmc26 really a good suggestion
 
6:19 AM
 
@Makyen not sure if this is a bug or something local to my setup but if I run the archiver in the tavern it seems to leave a few SD reports behind that I would expect to be included. Later on those are often moved so it is not a huge problem but it seems off. Not a high-prio thing but if you need me to try / diagnose stuff, let me know.
 
Morning all \o
 
@rene Thanks for mentioning it. I'll take a look at it.
 
Evening @MichaelDodd /o
 
6:47 AM
o/
@MichaelDodd You mean MRE right?
 
@Lino Goshdarn whippersnappers with their new-fangled terminology!
 
* Throws milkshake *
 
Oooooh, very close to my first century. One of my questions is on a score of 92 now (+95/-3)
 
7:03 AM
@MichaelDodd 96/-3* ;)
 
@Lino Well fancy that, I wonder how that happened :)
 
I just slipped, and now it's too late to revert it :P
 
I think I also bring my question and assume Lino slipped on that too. :P
 
:p
 
8:03 AM
@Makyen just seen your message - it's (why isn't this code working) one of the off-topic close reasons
 
 
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9:40 AM
and hey, leave some for us^^ ;)
 
@treyBake Yeah, no problem :)
 
@VadimKotov haha xD np, wish I could smash out req's that quickly XD
 
9:56 AM
@Zoe ghe, interesting; my CV from prior to deletion was stored apparently
 
Zoe
it wasn't that long anyway, I'd be surprised if they aged away
 
Zoe
10:11 AM
@Adriaan I'd second that
 
10:25 AM
@Adriaan How many del votes is that going to take?
 
Zoe
@MichaelDodd 3 more
9 total
 
More upvoted question more del vote :D
 
@Zoe Ah ok, I knew the max required was 10 votes, so figured it wouldn't be far off
 
11:03 AM
@MichaelDodd yeah, similar sentiments
 
@tripleee Reckon I should leave a comment asking to provide a different example?
 
Could you please explain why you are linking to a site with a pretty grim record for spamming the Stack Exchange network? There are probably better examples you can link to, and this makes your answer look uncomfortably like SEO spam. — tripleee 7 secs ago
@MichaelDodd looks like I just did (-:
 
@tripleee Heh, a bit more sternly worded than I was planning, but if it's possible spam then probably a good idea
Question, if I edit a post via the post itself (not the "Edit" review button), would that keep the post within the LQP/NAA queue?
 
@MichaelDodd OP responded; I edited the answer to remove the link for the time being
 
@tripleee Nice, that's the ideal outcome
 
11:15 AM
@MichaelDodd yes, it'll keep the flags and the post in the queue. NAA flags are only cleared from review, VLQ from edits from OP and from review, too.
 
@double-beep Cheers, was just clearing out a bit of unsavoury language from a NAA post in review queue
 
No problem.
@MichaelDodd I was pinged for your edit :(
 
Me too
Edit make NAA out of queue :D
 
me too, but seriously, if you use the tracking userscript, you signed up for the ping
 
FP then. "It needs more reviews from other users to be completed. " - still active
@Shree Doesn't looks like it was edited out. That's why I asked about editing from the post itself, if it was edited from the review then I knew it would be taken out of the queue
 
11:22 AM
I suppose this isn't a simple NAA. I think it might need a red-flag, but I am not sure.
OP has edited three times
the answer was originally posted without the link, then OP added WARNING
 
It's NAA at a minimum, the fact that it was edited implies it's not spam (it wasn't just dumped there), and not inclined to go R/A personally, but then I don't speak whatever language they do
 
Seems like hungarian, and the robots.txt they linked to doesn't answer the question.
 
@Lino I'm not sure about Hungarian, they didn't start every word with a lowercase m
 
@MichaelDodd humm ok.
 
@Shree The review in question
 
11:28 AM
@Shree that's a C++ joke, look up Hungarian naming convention
 
@tripleee Hover over the message, Shree was referring to a previous message from me
 
@MichaelDodd at least google translate told me so, and the link has a .hu domain-ending, so I am quite sure (but can still be wrong)
 
However, @Lino did miss the joke :)
 
waffles
Got bamboozled here
 
!!/train wreck
 
11:31 AM
@tripleee No such command 'train'.
 
!!/blame
 
@Shree It's FireAlarm's fault.
 
Poor FireAlarm
 
!!/tea
 
@Lino brews a cup of darjeeling tea for @Lino
 
11:32 AM
If it would just be that easy in life to get a cup of tea :D
 
Waffles, reading between the lines they seem to be desiring a full set of emojis, and not a piece of code to properly render them, as I initially thought
 
:)
 
12:28 PM
Can this be flagged as plagiarism or something of the accepted answer, which is 2 years older? The third answer there is quite similar as well, but at least has more info
 
Zoe
It's not plagiarism, but it's a repeated answer
 
With zero added value
 
@Adriaan The answer flagged by SD translates to the same already mentioned in the other 3 answers
 
const and var dont look the same to me
 
12:30 PM
@NathanOliver OP even uses var in their code, not const
 
I const your var
 
@Zoe thanks. Nothing to do in that case; as it's at +3 already and three years old
 
omfg. I come in and I've already rep capped. 94 up votes on one answer??? That seems really excessive.
 
Zoe
yeah. There really needs to be a meta post on it
Also a typo
 
@NathanOliver good answer by the way, glad that Java handles integers not as boolean and vice versa, so I will never ecnounter that case :)
 
12:34 PM
@Adriaan Sure. But the answer uses const where the "copied" answer uses var. If it was a copy paste, I would say flag it. As is, there isn't any evidence. Down vote and move on if you feel it is not useful.
 
Zoe
@NathanOliver Why is if(i = 1) valid though?
 
@Zoe is the same as i = 1; if(i)
 
@NathanOliver other way around actually; accepted answer uses var, like the op, "copied" or late answer uses const on the contrary
 
@Zoe because assignment is an expression that yields a value. When you do i = 1 you set i to 1 and then it "returns" 1 so the expression really is like i = 1; if (i) ...
 
Zoe
oh
 
12:36 PM
@Adriaan Yeah. Got that flipped around
@Zoe That lets you do really fun stuff like auto foo = (bar = max(zig, zag)) * 3 where bar is set the value of the max of zig and zag and then we multiply the result of that (think of it as using the new value of bar) by 3 and assign it to foo.
 
Zoe
What about other numbers?
I.e. if(123)
 
@Zoe Have a look at this python answer, javascript behaves similar and I guess the same is for c++
Keywords are Falsy and Truthy.
 
Zoe
oh. That makes sense
 
To answer: if(123) is equal to if(true)
Thats why you can write fancy stuff in javascript like this: var a = null; var b = a || 3; which evaluates to b = 3
 
@Zoe any non zero value is true in c++
 
Zoe
12:48 PM
That's kinda cool ^^"
 
But can lead to errors, like writing if(i = 1) instead of if(i == 1), which are reeeallly hard to find
 
1:07 PM
Sweet. [reprex], [repro], [mre], [example] and [mcve] now all map to the help file. I'm going to be using MRE from now on.
Because when you think survival, you think about MRE's ;)
 
1:18 PM
Hi, I have a slightly old SO question. Someone else has written a newer version of the question and provided a more modern answer and marked my original (which had more upvotes and answers) as a duplicate. Apparently in this case we are supposed to ask what to do on here. Can a mod resolve our chat in the comments of this question or merge the questions. Thanks. stackoverflow.com/questions/44118590/…
 
The newer question seems better formulated, so their action may be beneficial in the grand scheme of things
 
Bit awkward though that the new question and answer have been written by the gol badge holder who single handed dupehammered...
 
doesn't prove misintent though
 
Yeah I thought that too ^ He's a developer advocate for Big Query so I think he is using SO like documentation.
 
I think I agree with @JohnDvorak that the newer question is slightly better worded but if this wasn't a gold dupe hammer / high-rep I would have expected the newer question to be closed against the older one.
That said, raise a mod flag on your question and ask the two questions to be merged. Let's hope a mod can figure out what survives
 
1:31 PM
raised a mod flag, thanks
 
2:08 PM
This recent HNQ has the first line of code on the same line as the back ticks and SO think that it's the language name and hide it. I wonder how common it is for someone to do that.
(the editor should give an error for unrecognized language name in this case...)
 
@user202729 pretty common I would guess, enough to bring up on Meta at the very least IMHO
 
@NathanOliver nice, 1400 rep (if only) from that PEMDAS question
 
@TylerH 1400 200
 
I'm flabbergasted by it. I did not except that at all. It is now my second highest answer and will most likely be my highest answer as it's picked up 30 votes in the last 2 hours.
 
@user202729 ---strikeout---
 
2:16 PM
@user202729 hence the (if only)
 
@NathanOliver Known problem with HNQ.
 
Zoe
HNQ causes that many votes?
 
It can.
 
@Zoe For sure, on Stack Overflow
especially in a tag like C++ where posts already get inordinately upvoted
 
I'm pretty sure it does, but you may be able to check it with data.se (query number of votes before become HNQ)
 
2:23 PM
To think I was most happy that my comment got the down votes the Q was getting stopped and the close votes retracted. It was at -3 with two close votes when I found it and now, well, yeah...
 
@NathanOliver don't worry; there was a spam post on AU which was nuked; undeleted by mod and became HNQ, lol
 
Initially (and even now) it was not clear that OP want to assign instead of compare it. The OP only said "If the i is 1". If the OP intended to write if (i == 0 && i == 1) it would be a typo obviously.
 
lol. That's cool
 
@double-beep (is it a spam post or just wrongly deleted?)
 
lemme find it first
 
2:27 PM
@user202729 Changed it to: If i is assigned 1 in the if statement, why did i == 0 return true? to make it more clear
 
@double-beep Then another mod removed it from HNQ and then (I did not know any site did this) it got tweeted out.
 
I think all sites has a tweeter bot?
 
wow, Shog9 now has the most upvoted and downvoted question on Meta
@user202729 nope, only some
 
@double-beep Does this mean that Shog has been Shogged?
 
2:32 PM
@E_net4 nope
double-shogged
 
@double-beep beep-shog9
 
@user202729 I've never seen that on a SO Q before. Looks like the SO twitter is all just company stuff
 
yes
@E_net4 I disagree with that. The editor had more issues to fix with the posts. I'd conflict the edit.
 
What's up with the "Can someone help me" questions all of a sudden?
 
The debate is settled: ['🥚', '🐔'].sort()["🐔", "🥚"]
 
2:44 PM
@Adriaan dunno
don't think they've made changes to the wizard for that
 
can someone help me pls?
 
im being reprexed can someone please help me?
 
@E_net4 only if some watery tart lobs a sword at me
 
@iBug Finally! We have no better settler of philosophical affairs than the Unicode technical committee. :)
 
2:48 PM
@Adriaan Maybe the ask wizard got updated?
 
@TylerH given how 2020 is shaping up, that might not be such a bad idea...
 
@Adriaan not a new thing: stackoverflow.com/…
 
kek, thought that said .. oh wait .. it does say addiction ..
is it not meant to be addition? xD
 
@treyBake it was what I read at first sight ... but it is a bit blurry ...
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@rene yeah I get that all the time ..
 
@treyBake We need to be welcoming, tho. They might be taking reprex...
 
@Machavity good point, do you have any viable counter we can use to help them battle it?
 
@treyBake Discontinue use of reprex if jQuery does not subside within 4 hours
5
 
@Machavity Odd. My prescription says to discontinue if it does not subside within 6 to 8 weeks.
 
3:05 PM
@rene looks like a nice burn list
 
 
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@Adriaan I don't think it is a new thing - I suspect some users come from hierarchical and deferential societies where "learned helplessness" is normalised and rewarded. It tried tackling that on Meta some while ago: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/366264/…
 
6:32 PM
Lordy crumbs! ^
THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOUT ZOE
 
Zoe
SHOUT YOURSELF THE DOOR AND CLOSE IT ON YOUR WAY OUT
:P
 
I'M NOT SHOUTING, I'M JUST DEAF.
 
Zoe
I'M SHOUTING, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S REALLY LOUD IN HERE. THEY FORGOT TO TURN DOWN THE MUSIC
 
(The great thing about me slamming the door is that, being deaf, I can't hear it :-p)
 
Zoe
lol
 
6:40 PM
But it rattles your teacups, which gives me great schadenfreude.
 
Zoe
Good thing I don't have any teacups you can rattle then :p
 
I can expand that to whatever glassware or crockery you favour, if it helps.
 
Zoe
I actually only drink straight out of fresh sources, so unless you can spawn an earthquake...
 
I don't think my door slamming is that effective.
 
Zoe
Better hope not. That would be earth shattering
 
6:44 PM
However, I am about to vote in the EU elections, and having to think about politicians might make me go nuclear
I shall try not to think about Nigel Farage for very long (except perhaps when decorated with a milkshake).
 
Vote write-in: Nigel Thornberry
 
I don't think we can do write-in votes here, but on the basis that it spoils the paper, that's not a bad idea ;-)
 
We don't do enough paper-spoiling in the UK. We need more plague-on-all-your-houses here.
(Was pondering raising the remainder of today's cv-pleases as SHOUTY CASE to make sure they get priority attention!)
 
@halfer Please no :-)
 
6:54 PM
@TylerH PARDON?
 
Zoe
@halfer HE SAID, PLEASE NO. CAPS-LOCK IS BETTER WHEN IT'S OFF
 
WHY HAVE A CAPS LOCK BUTTON IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO USE IT?
 
What's that? Cat's luck is better when it's soft?
 
Zoe
@NathanOliver I USE IT, BUT ONLY FOR SQL. SQL IS A SHOUTY LANGUAGE
 
@Zoe And FORTRAN too, I think
 
Zoe
7:04 PM
mainly SQL though
 
I'm glad I don't have to use caps in Oracle SQL
 
Zoe
select * from table where x = 42 doesn't seem right. SELECT * FROM table WHERE x = 42 is a lot better
 
We should try popularising "fun SQL", which is SeLeCt * FrOm table WhErE x = 42
Enormously readable :=]
 
Zoe
@halfer Pff, you should see my C++ :p
 
7:07 PM
:)
 
Zoe
#include                 <iostream>
void main()                       {
    int MyFANtaStICInTEgER = 42   ;
    std::cout
                                 <<
                 MyFANtaStICInTEgER
                                 <<
                          std::endl
                                  ;
                                  }
Beautiful, right?
 
It's art in the same way as the parsing-HTML-with-regex answer :=)
 
@NathanOliver You don't have to use caps in MSSQL either
 
@Zoe please no
 
Sadly the masterpiece does not render well in the favourites bar -->
 
Zoe
7:12 PM
@rene Why? It's a piece of art! RTL code at its finest ;)
 
@Zoe I would have replied earlier but my I had to wait for my head to stop banging on my desk.
 
Right, I'm off to vote, might be back later
\o
 
Zoe
o/
@NathanOliver oh yeah, actually, I see it now.
the second line isn't split up enough!
 
@Zoe sure but it also steps over the noisy formatting rule. One liners I can handle. This is a tad too much. Sorry.
 
Zoe
Oh. Trash it then
 
7:18 PM
let me check with the other RO's
Maybe it is just me
 
Zoe
oki
 
After discussion, the ROs have decided that future messages using Zalgo will be considered "noisy formatting" and not permitted under "Please refrain from using oneboxes/noisy formatting." Looking through the transcript, messages containing Zalgo really are disruptive. In extreme cases, they can make it hard to read messages by other people which are posted before or after the message containing Zalgo.
9
 
Zoe
Is this on-topic?
 
@Zoe Google says yFrog is defunct?
 
Zoe
It is
 
7:31 PM
In that case, I'd say it can be closed as no repro
 
Zoe
Yeah, that makes sesne
 
Yep, that's what Shog said when he was in the room a few months ago and something similar came up.
 
7:43 PM
@M-M last active over a year ago?
 
@M-M Is there some activity on/about this question which isn't obvious from the question page (mentioned somewhere, a rejected edit, proposed dup, etc.)? The last activity shown for this question was 1 year, 2 months ago. That's too old for a cv-pls. While there isn't an explicitly stated limit, cv-pls requests should, generally, be for questions for which the community benefits from them being closed quickly. Please see #11 in the FAQ.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy So i.e. tags about discontinued APIs should be burned too?
 
@Zoe that's a different discussion, and probably not a good idea
 
M-M
8:00 PM
@TylerH my bad, didn't see that.
 
no worries, happens to us all
 
M-M
@Makyen yea, know that ... I was searching for something, came across that one, and being tired, last activity slipped out of my sight.
 
@M-M Don't worry too much about it, but do try to keep the restriction in mind. If you are interested and don't use Greasemonkey 4, the alpha version of the Request Generator will check for the latest visible activity on a question and both inform you that it might be a bit old and ask you to confirm that you want to send the cv-pls when that is the case.
 
9:06 PM
@Zoe As Tyler H says
\o/ Just voted in the EU elections
 
@StephenKennedy =} ... and still throwing your arms up in despair?
 
@tink No that's an image of me being strip searched at the polling station - they thought I might be armed with milkshakes and dangerous :)
 
Milkshakes are liquids so that's completely reasonable
 
9:25 PM
@StephenKennedy =D
 
9:41 PM
Is repeatedly posting link-only answers promoting one of your answers (without disclosure) spam?
 
9:56 PM
@EJoshuaS IMHO, yes. It's the pattern that makes it spam. That said, I would use a mod flag to let them know.
 
Thanks
 
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