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10:00
@Cicada you should be ashamed of your self
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@RMartinhoFernandes Ah, that. Well, I guess it must have gone right over my head, because I hadn't noticed any joke...
You're lucky.
True dat
What joke.
oh, we have a pony in the room as well now :P
i think -_-
10:04
I’d love to rant about how much I hate writing reports, and that I have to write one now … but I am actually kind of enjoying it at the moment. Contentment? How odd.
@CatPlusPlus See message I sent you earlier when you were offline
wait
1 hour ago, by Konrad Rudolph
@CatPlusPus Fix your blog, mate. “Posted 10 hours ago (no comments and no reactions)”
Ah. It's Disqus being derpy.
I'll look into that later.
derpy disqus
anyway, you got quite an echo on this, at least I got when tweeting it this morning …
incidentally, some (IMHO) valid criticism:
@RMartinhoFernandes close, but no cigar
@sehe It's not there.
@KonradRudolph It's ok. I don't smoke.
> 5. Be promiscuous with languages
@RMartinhoFernandes I see something, two disgruntled-looking men in weird hats
@CatPlusPlus Ok, the page is not available for me :)
@KonradRudolph I just infer things from the OP. It reads like someone who doesn't know anything except PHP.
> Simplify, refactor, delete.
@RMartinhoFernandes ^ Gold
Who's this fapbot everyone talks about?
It only makes white knighting much more obvious, really.
> "Inside every large, complex program is a small, elegant program that does the same thing, correctly"
Also very powerful
10:11
@RMartinhoFernandes Author of the most overblown PHP framework ever.
Damn you dyslexia, for ruining my dyslexic jokes.
It tried to be Rails and Java at the same time, and failed at both.
@CatPlusPlus Half tempted to cross post that to the PHP room. But, let them have peace for a day
@CatPlusPlus Together - no wonder
@RMartinhoFernandes about fapbot?
10:15
@RMartinhoFernandes oh, well it's a lame 'joke', it deserves no laughs
I laughed. Keep the jokes coming!
slydexia is not fnuny
But "fapbot" is.
The word, that is. The person is a myserty
Ha! Now you admit that bots are people!
10:21
@RMartinhoFernandes fap fap fap
Just so you know, @sehe has been playing with the poor kids again :P
Oh, hey, I've been linked on meta. I'M FAMOUS.
@Cicada missed an opportunity there. “dysexlia if sunny”
@RMartinhoFernandes Posted stuff in the PHP room ^^
@CatPlusPlus link?
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Q: Can we make language wars a punishable offense in chat?

Carrie KendallOn June 29, 2012 Jeff Atwood wrote a blog about PHP which a lot of people saw as another language bashing blog. Whether it is or not is not really my concern with this question but, more so, the aftermath. Many replies¹ (mostly counter-rants) were written and a great bit of this talk gets fi...

in PHP, 14 secs ago, by sehe
@Leigh I don't consider programmer's chat rooms general conversation. I consider them nerd hangouts.
10:27
@CatPlusPlus Oh god
I'm really embarrassed for someone from the PHP room posting that.
Don't be. Just downvote it :)
It only makes them look silly, so you don't really have to worry about that.
Just how ugly could it really get? We are talking PHP levels of ugly, man, it's scary... — Yannis Rizos 6 hours ago
BUT I'M FAMOUS.
10:29
Cat will get notorious on the interwebs for being a PHP hater :P
He's on meta.
That's far from "notorious on the interwebs".
I'd be happy to actually discuss PHP flaws and whatnot, but not if the other side is handwaving everything with "IT WORKS ITS FINE YOU CLEARLY ARE NOT EXPERIENCED WITH PHP".
Need moar caps
You misspelled moar.
It's spelled MOAR.
@CatPlusPlus We have many discussions about PHP flaws, but usually only with people using the language ;) With people who (mainly) use another language discussions usually don't make much sense and turn into flamewars.
10:37
@RMartinhoFernandes Checks out with my locale-aware case folding
... because people who mainly use another language actually have something to compare it to, and thus, can see a whole new layer of flaws
@jalf ... or are just trying to get into a pissing contest.
or that
but I don't know if "non-PHP-users" are more prone to get into those than everyone else
if you're a PHP user, you must have a pretty high shit tolerance bar
@DeadMG :D
10:39
@jalf I suspect the troll population is well distributed amongst all languages.
@RMartinhoFernandes exactly my point :)
@NikiC Well, if you use "you clearly have no PHP experience" argument, then I can see why.
@CatPlusPlus Btw, I do wonder now: Do you have PHP experience? I mean, not like I have Lisp "experience", but like, real experience?
@RMartinhoFernandes torlls tend to be idiotic, PHP is a moronic language. I think they draw together
10:41
@CatPlusPlus And obviously with one of the newer versions (5.3 up in particular)?
@NikiC He's scarred.
@NikiC What changed in 5.3 that suddenly made the language not suck?
I've used PHP actively from 4.something to 5.2, then I just occasionally followed developments.
I also ran quite a few PHP apps as an admin, and the implementation hasn't much improved since then AFAIK.
@jalf Namespaces and anonymous functions should be the most important points ;)
No, they're not.
10:43
@NikiC so still the same shitty library with next to no consistency?
Sure, they remove some boilerplate, but that doesn't make language much better.
@NikiC Nice extras, sure, but that doesn't fix the completely fundamental problems with the language
someone get the fractal of bad design link
just like C++ getting lambdas is wonderful, but it didn't change the things that are broken in that language
@thecoshman Ah, yes, still that shitty library.
10:44
And still php.ini.
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I will laugh at php.ini until I die.
But even though you will probably disagree, I don't think that the inconstent function naming or needle/haystack order is really that much of a problem
@CatPlusPlus What's the problem with it?
So, just so I understand what's going on, @NikiC came from the PHP room because of this discussion?
@jalf And lambdas are monos :(
It is. Violates principle of least surprise and hinders the productivity.
10:45
I want stereo lambdas!
@CatPlusPlus oh, but you have to have php.ini, how else can we ensure that you have to manually reset everything in your php scripts just to make sure that everything is as you expect it and that random obscure settings have not been set to the most stupid of things
@CatPlusPlus It never hindered productivity for me. And probably nobody else using an IDE
@jalf He sometimes pops up here from there for whatever reasons.
@NikiC It makes deployment a pain in the ass, especially if you want to use compiled extensions.
@Whisperity oooh, I like this magic pony :D
10:46
@RMartinhoFernandes ah ok
You have to write apps that check stupid global settings, and normalise them.
More boilerplate.
@NikiC no, it's a relatively trivial problem, compared to the rest of php
@CatPlusPlus okay, I can't really comment on that. I never had php.ini issues. Maybe I was just lucky
@NikiC Or you didn't realize that they were php.ini issues
Or you never wrote a reusable app or library.
10:47
I guess we realized that PHP is a scripting language.
I did ^^
No other language implementation of any other language does that, because it's a moronic idea.
@Whisperity run! run!
@Whisperity There's no such thing as scripting language.
The only ini setting I had to deal to this day in a library is xdebug.max_nesting_level;)
10:47
when your language and your library depends on magic settings in php.ini, you have php.ini issues. And quite a few functions in the PHP standard lib completely change their semantics depending on what's in php.ini. That is a bad thing
And if there were, I fail to see the relevance.
@jalf I agree that it is a bad thing
Globals suck
No
Globals suck
@NikiC And this isn't just globals, but global state entirely outside your program
Especially if you want to deploy on those CHEAP WEBHOSTS that everyone taunts as PHP biggest advantage.
10:49
Globals are at least part of your program
Where you cannot edit php.ini, because admin is a moron, otherwise he wouldn't be running a CHEAP WEBHOST.
There really is no good side to php.ini.
in the interest of improving the world, let's put forward some alternatives to PHP that allow for similar dynamic web pages and is readily available on most servers, or simple enough to set up
Python. Google AppEngine.
This is a map of key usage frequency of a certain programming language. Red is more use. Guess which language it is.
10:51
@RMartinhoFernandes ¬_¬ not enough punctuation for perl
@RMartinhoFernandes I’m still not sure if that was supposed to be serious, or a joke
Someone names a lot of his variables "asd"...
asd();
@KarimA Nah, that's just the result of the English letter frequencies.
And spelling out names, instead of going the sbrk way.
@RMartinhoFernandes or typing car and cdr quite a lot...
what does sbrk and brk stand for?
really.. why would someone name a function that deals with VM brk.
10:55
@jalf C and D are not that frequent there.
> brk() and sbrk() change the location of the program break
Hail POSIX, the king of names.
The enemy of the Kingdom of Vowels.
@CatPlusPlus You know, I really have to say I love the awesome names in the WinAPI. Compared to all the POSIX crap they are a paragon of readability
@KonradRudolph Yeah, but sometimes I feel they overdid it in the other way.
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@KonradRudolph Oh yeah, especially the -ExEx ones are...
creat. I rest my case.
11:00
At least it has vowels.
Woot. I took lunch break today. That's a first
@CatPlusPlus It misses one.
I'm in awe. Here is a programmer that never uses the del/backspace keys
Must be a vi user (nah `:` and `Esc` or equivalents are underrepresented)
@sehe Those are not measured from actual key presses, but from source code.
:S
@RMartinhoFernandes I got that.
11:05
Look how the frequencies of ( and ) match exactly. I always thought you would not type as many )s when doing LISP.
@RMartinhoFernandes Depends on editor
@RMartinhoFernandes I like this one
lol.
Read in Bastion narrator voice:
lol
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Q: Multiple whitespaces removed from XML when they should not be

R11GThere is a bug in this C++ code. It replaces multiple whitespaces between words by one space. Can't figure out where it is. It shouldn't trim whitespaces between two words and replace them by one. This is the method which deals with the whitespaces and blanks. const char* TiXmlBase::SkipWhiteSpa...

Plz debug my code is "too localized", right?
No, close as too-impolite
@RMartinhoFernandes ohey, you retweeted my virgin tweet. Huzzah. I celebrated it by changing my avatar on twitter
@sehe link?
@sehetw
2 tweets, 6 followers, following 31 users
@RMartinhoFernandes This should do: stackoverflow.com/a/11450705/85371
@sehe thanks
This is not your code, I guess. Googling TiXmlBase did the trick. Either read the documentation and/or report the issue upstream... — sehe 18 secs ago
Haha, what have we got here? A SO voting Nazi :
For %0 accept rate, pls, think again, before giving any answer — gcc 1 min ago
Gosh, I hate the accept rate police.
11:26
@gcc Welcome to SO. Nice user name. Next time, when advising other on how to moderate the site, please check their reputation first — sehe 5 secs ago
There.
Needs link to FAQ.
Which one I'll edit it in
Linked to http://stackoverflow.com/faq as it is
@KonradRudolph Sigh. Why does it always have to come back to sex, eventually?
Do you really need to ask?
@Cicada (Why) do you think it really does?
11:34
@Cicada most things do
sublimation can fix that
(note how I slipped a subliminal freudian in there)
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Q: Need to solve Descending Soting technique?

Borhanstruct com { unsigned short n,a; bool operator()(com c1,com c2) { if(c1.a<c2.a)return 1; if(c1.a==c2.a)return c1.n>c2.n; return o; }/*This is ascending sorting technique. i need to build up a descending sorting technique like this.*/

Does this make sense?
@RMartinhoFernandes Yes, if by soting, you don't mean sorting
Classic example of someone who needs to be explained everything
@sehe: I don't think "empty rhetorics" means what you think it does. And the FAQ contains all the information that the OP should have had, about his accept rate. Your link says nothing about *why gcc should have taught the OP about accept rate (by linking to the FAQ or otherwise) — jalf 47 secs ago
@sehe WTF is with that comment? Could you stow the attitude, please?
11:38
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A: Need to solve Descending Soting technique?

DeadMGI need to find a job and earn some money.

@jalf what are you going on about?
my sarcasm is gonna get me in trouble someday
You know what a "descending sorting technique" is?
@RMartinhoFernandes yes
@DeadMG WTF is that?
11:38
@sehe (1) How is my comment "empty rhetorics", and (2) how does the FAQ replace my comment?
@DeadMG I want to flag it.
@jalf You keep going on about what gcc should do. Do it your bloddy self. Lead by example
Also, WTF you two going on about?
WTF is wrong with everyone today?
@Abyx I did.
@RMartinhoFernandes Don't lick the kitchen bananas. They only grant you burnt toast in the end.
@sehe I was working from the assumption that @gcc intended to be helpful. And so, I gave him a pointer on how to be helpful. I don't quite see what the fuck your beef is with that
Perhaps you should just go for a walk and come back later?
If I somehow stepped on your toes, I apologize. Otherwise, if you're just generally in a bad mood, fuck off and find someone else to bother
11:41
meh...
@RMartinhoFernandes beats me
we should all go sing lullabies to pink fury unicorns.
Fury unicorns sounds like a probably cause.
@jalf The fact that you take 3 comments doing that. Just show how it's done. If you can squeeze in a lecture in the same comment, by all means
@Cicada Because it’s funny. God allegedly invented it as a joke [source: Dogma]
11:45
@jalf Somehow you get the impression I'm angry. I don't know what happened there. Also, I did have a walk at lunch. For the first time since ... ever. So maybe, I should stop that :)
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Ha, got a Great Answer badge!
Not a great answer, robot
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@RMartinhoFernandes It's my first. And as ignorant as I am of badges in general, I do value a few golden ones, Great Answer and Great Question among them.
Oh.
I thought you had more.
I have four.
You suck :P
11:48
*ducks behind lead shielding*
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@RMartinhoFernandes You have four Great Answer badges??
@jalf I'm pretty sure you should take your own advice. You were coming on pretty strong ever since the very first words "I've got a better idea. If that is your attitude, take it somewhere else". Why is that? I'd very much appreciate if you watched your own language a bit too.
@sehe See, that's actually a valid point, and you're absolutely right there
Cheers. No hard feelings :)
11:49
@KonradRudolph Mor---m---onism.
Fuck you markdown.
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But you seemed to think there's something wrong with educating the guy on what he should do instead of discouraging answers to someone with 0% accept rate
And that, I don't get
Yes, I could tell the OP how to accept answers, but that wasn't really my intended objective. That was to get @gcc to understand what he should do rather than saying "don't answer this guy's questions"
That has nothing to do with empty rhetorics, and it couldn't be done just by linking to the FAQ
Here we go again, you've found yourself a friend who knows you well..
I don't think it works, is all.
@sbi I have no great answer badges at all :(
@sehe True... I had just c/c'ed OP's code. — Cicada 1 min ago
@Cicada c/c'ed? Also, return o; still looks odd :)
Now, when you do return false; perhaps doing return true; makes sense too :) — sehe 5 secs ago
@Cicada har har :) I so luv the fact that my answer sidesteps all these issues while showing const correctness and idiomatic parameter passing as well.
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@RMartinhoFernandes Ah, but only one more than I have in .
@sehe All it lacks is a suit.
@sbi It's twice as much :P
k I should get some work done
11:56
You're late today?
@jalf It's usable. Although I haven't used nested transactions heavily yet.
around 13h, I’d be starving!
@RMartinhoFernandes Vowels are expensive man.

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