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12:06 AM
@Olaf thanks
And, it's time for me to crash - 1am here :-)
\o
 
@halfer Adding an additional NAA/VLQ flag makes it require an additional "Looks OK" to get out of the review queue. Other than that, it's useless. Much better is to go to the review page and review it. When the boilerplate comments are placed from review, there's a "From Review" link at the end of the comment which allows you to go directly to the review. It's quite helpful to have such, so I usually make sure that such a comment exists on any question which I appropriately review.
There's also a helpful Review Finder userscript, which locates a review in the review queue based on the post number, if the post has been reviewed at least once in the semi-recent past. It works from each review queue's history page.
 
12:19 AM
@Alec The question is the equivalent of "Which is faster, a screwdriver or a laser printer?" The answer doesn't help either. I VTC'ed
 
12:30 AM
 
 
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1:46 AM
@KenWhite I especially like his, "I know it's not too late for me to start learning this stuff myself, but I'm really busy with work and was hoping one of you kind souls ..." statement. Meaning, "I'm far too busy to deal with this chit, so if you can do my own scut work for me, I'd be much obliged."
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels It's certainly one of the most blatant write my code for me, slaves posts I've ever seen here. Worse even than most homework questions.
 
And now it's been blasted by a mod
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I see that. I also see the response you got to your first This question is too broad comment Paraphrased: How is it too broad? I gave you a full list of my requirements and a link to the spreadsheet for you to edit?
 
 
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5:44 AM
^ Not sure if i should flag this or close
 
6:56 AM
And good morning everyone
 
Good morning
 
Morning \o
 
7:38 AM
@techraf That is not a good question to read in the morning with only a limited amount of coffee
 
8:07 AM
@AndréKool If your coffee is limited, you will get caffeine underflow from such questions:(
 
o/
 
o/
Can be too broad too.
 
8:30 AM
Someone start a train? :) Been a long time sitting here. Let's go in train.
 
8:54 AM
\o
 
o/
 
Can some of you check the reference link in this post. I want to verify if it fails for the EU.
 
@rene The one in the answer?
 
@NickA yes, please
 
@rene 451 unavailable for legal reasons - not available in your region
had to check on phone, news sites are blocked on company PCs at this time
 
9:00 AM
you're in the UK so technically still EU ...
@NickA same for me
 
@rene Well you did say you wanted to verify it fails for EU, I'm EU and it failed ;p
 
yeah, I'm utterly confusing
 
@rene A lot of US news sites took a while to catch up as well, I believe most are available again though
@rene Orfox (onion brwsr on android) was fine though, site is still around
 
So it is doing a GEO IP lookup
 
 
 
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10:37 AM
Gimme teh codez!
o/
 
\o
 
\o
 
11:10 AM
o/
 
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@MartinJames Reading competence? Is that a questeion from the PISA evaluation?
 
@Olaf You don't need to be literate or numerate to be a programmer or, at least, that's what I gather from Hollywood and the PHP, Android, C and C++ tags.
 
11:26 AM
@MartinJames Yeah, just click on the "gimme teh codez" button (aka stack overflow bookmark)
 
12:09 PM
@Yam Still OSR and thus Off-Topic
 
12:36 PM
Morning
 
Afternoon
 
12:49 PM
@SurajRao Ugh. Someone answered it
 
@Machavity the answer is incorrect anyway
 
@SurajRao I would have answered it "You will get a Java error, and you will get it because Oracle wrote it that way"
 
but to be fair.. OP edited the question after receiving the answer .
In the initial revision the property was commented out
 
Does this question look Too Broad?
 
@Machavity Yes it looks like that to me
 
1:09 PM
...oh, and OP added request for tools in the subsequent edit to add another possible close reason
 
1:22 PM
morning
 
Afternoon
 
@E_net4 aaaaannnnnddddd now my brain hurts
 
1:37 PM
@gunr2171 Hmm?
 
@E_net4 content of the post went right over my head
too much math
 
I didn't even bother reading it. That question could really use some enters.
 
@gunr2171 Personally, I am somewhat familiar with the subject. But it sure doesn't belong here.
 
true, absolutely
 
And even so, the question is weird. Whether the GAN is the traditional model or the Wasserstein GAN with gradient penalty shouldn't influence their vector arithmetic capabilities (which aren't excellent anyway).
 
1:44 PM
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD‌​DDDDDD
 
whyarewegettingalltheseincomprehensiblemachinelearingpostsfromuserswhocannotform‌​simplesentencesandorparagraphs? arethepostersactuallyAIswithlearningdifficulties?
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sorry, I lost composure for a second
 
Anyways, enough of that. :x
My internets choked from that.
@MartinJames It's bad. The dark prophecy is slowly fulfilled.
 
@E_net4 How did all those AI's get to learn? Did they all go to school on the short data bus?
 
@MartinJames With today's technology, all you have to do is feed this linear algebra with data from the internet and it spits out something almost reasonable.
Everyone's jumping to this train, much to our misfortune, because they somehow insist that machine learning == programming.
 
1:51 PM
@E_net4 Well, we are good at train reks here:)
 
My coffee machine still hasn't learn to make me a cup of coffee without me pushing some buttons :(
 
@AndréKool Stick a graphics card in the coffee slot, it might be needing more neurons.
 
@gunr2171 It's OK. We understand
 
: ), well it's meeting time...
 
We'll take a stand-up
 
2:00 PM
I'm more for a sit-down
 
@MartinJames How do you think google/co train their AIs? As long they ask questions like that, everything is ok. We should be concerned if the quality of questions suddenly rises.
 
@EdChum What was the recent activity on that question?
 
@AndréKool none but I googled for a solution and saw this hit and then noticed that the question should be closed as a typo, if it's unsuitable for recommending for cv then I can delete the request, I've used up all my cv-votes
 
Out of CVs
 
2:17 PM
@Olaf Orite so, as of today, no worries at all:(
 
Is a question considered tool request if the question is How to do it but the answer is "A Tool"? stackoverflow.com/q/50811808
 
@MunimMunna No
 
@halfer Some sucker answered and is now stuck with 'can you please explain how to write the code' vampishness:)
 
When did "Did you contact support?" become synonym for "Did you post a github issue? / Ask a question on stackoverflow?"
 
@MartinJames Yeah, I was wondering whether to offer some advice about that :)
 
@halfer Nah - let them suffer for a bit. If it looks like they're bleeding out, we could save them later.
 
They chose their fate.
 
3:29 PM
@MartinJames If the AIs are clever, they start their own, secret Q&A site;-)
 
@Olaf Any chance that the AI's will take all the crap/dupes/hw questions?
 
reject? I think that would just be
 
3:59 PM
> i will tell you only the basic since i'm worry this is homework
 
@Machavity thumbs up at sentiment, thumbs down at chatty/meta material leaking into answer
 
@rene Are you a good systeembeheerder? Or do you need to double click often?
 
Oh my ...
 
@rene the lyrics are fantastic
 
4:18 PM
Yikes, how did this edit get approved? stackoverflow.com/posts/49137124/revisions
Hmm, approved by original author, weird.
 
@halfer Reviewers got it right at any rate
 
@Machavity True
 
Is anyone getting intermittent 503 errors on SO?
I get one every couple of minutes lately
 
@TylerH yup
 
@halfer atleast he was happy about the answer
 
4:30 PM
@MartinJames Not the ones moving. These are the smart ones …
 
@TylerH yes
 
@TylerH yes
 
@TylerH yes
or, "We are offline for maintenance" for me
 
T_T. I'm offline!
 
@TylerH Just got one
 
4:38 PM
Seems OK here, though a bit sluggish..?
 
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Q: StackOverflow 503 errors while browsing

AlecI have been getting random 503 errors today. I'm in the US, so the other questions about 503 error's aren't relevant. What could be causing this, and is there anything I can do to fix it? I am only going through the site, not trying to post or anything like that. I have never had this issue bef...

 
There are metas re. the 503's
 
Nick said they are almost ready to deploy a fix
on Twitter
 
..and there we go: 'HTTP Error 503. The service is unavailable' HTTP?
Shoggy: 'The build will be spanked and sent to bed early without supper.'
 
We at least they aren't a teapot.
 
4:46 PM
I like teapots...
 
Seems to be up again..
 
well, when they have a decent bit of tea in 'em I can have anyway...
 
Can puppies pour tea from a teapot?
 
...and down again. Sod this, going for coffee..
 
@Nathan well, yeah, obviously? What kind of question was that? :p
 
4:49 PM
:p
 
just giving redis a good kicking
(and barking at)
 
I kicked a redis once. My foot still hurts ...
 
got a personal project I'm working on again... so I've got a couple of years worth of SO data in dgraph (now) - instead of neo4j
postgres backing the content, but all the relationship stuff in dgraph
 
@JonClements best of luck
 
@TylerH thanks... was using redis to periodically access the API for more recent stuff... else fallback to the dumps kind of thing... (think we talked here a long time about caching API stuff for the bots (well in sobotics anyway) so they didn't all exhaust themselves of their quota if they were effectively asking the same thing etc...)
 
4:55 PM
@NathanOliver The better question is does he strain the tea like a civilized dog?
 
oh ffs... who keeps putting these cameras in my house!!!? :p
 
omg, I love it. It is even a corgi.
afk
 
I wonder if I should buy a Stanley Cup Metro Card
 
@Compass you in Washington?
 
yes
 
4:59 PM
Or do they give em out for free in Vegas
 
huehuehue
I am a temperate cat.
 
@Compass The card is the same as a normal Metro card, but it allows Metro officials to body check you into the wall at random
 
That is acceptable
 
@Compass is it bad when I see "Stanley Cup" - I think Southpark?
 
=w=
 
5:07 PM
aw, whiskers
 
internal screaming routed through a 3.5mm audio jack to external speaker
Wow, rerouting my internal screaming outwards worked
 
Should I accept this type of edit, it deletes sensitive information revealed in a question, but whether you delete or not, it is still going to be in revisions, so what's the point?
 
If sensitive info is in an edit that needs to be expunged, it needs to go through the stack overflow staff.
edits will do nothing regarding that, this is a serious breach, someone will have to write a report, lawyers may be called.
I dunno if that's a flaggable thing or what. Jon might be able to provide more info.
I usually stay far away from PCI and HIPAA violations given my background in infosec OwO
 
ooh new feature
 
5:20 PM
@Compass So should we edit/not, accept the edit/not? editing it out do help in less exposure, does it help?
 
yeah been there for a while but it only takes two mods to redact revisions of posts
 
I am in the boat of "Reject/Mod Flag" but that's me.
 
@MunimMunna Meh - the 'l' word has been mentioned, so regard the question/edit as radioactive.
 
If you are in a review queue, skip.
There are better questions to die on.
Getting dragged into a meta fight is rarely fun. Unless it's about hats.
 
I accepted the edit and mod flagged
 
5:26 PM
@TylerH strange that the editor didn't touch the answer
 
puts on a helmet and pulls out the mine sweeping flags hoo boy
 
@EJoshuaS Hmm... +20 with a +22 answer? Maybe useful enough, unless it's obsolete, but that's not my area.
 
the horizontal nav bar poison has finally reached SO
 
@EJoshuaS this is likely a canonical answer for pre-KitKat android.
The answers aren't really opinion based IMO, it's a keyboard configuration that enables it. Just that spammy answer from an hour ago was problematic, and there's that poopy answer left over.
I've flagged the poopy answer.
MY STACK OVERFLOW UI IS PAIN AND SUFFERING
 
5:45 PM
I suppose that there is no way to collapse that useless left pane right?
 
and goodbye left hand nav
@Steve Profile -> Edit Profile and Settings -> Site Settings -> Preferences -> Hide left hand navigation
 
Yes, never mind, found out now, thanks
However the implementation is really bad. Just look at how they (MS) have done it on the beta for the live.com site. This is how to do it.
 
@Alec Totally useless left nav as it just scrolls away. If it's nav it should stay there so I can always get to it. Disable
 
damn, how do you get the beta version for live, i forgot. Ive seen it before
 
@Steve For a site for programmers they have certainly missed the mark lately on UI and functional coding
 
5:54 PM
@JimGarrison seems they should have an option to have it fixed no?
 
Aaarghhhh..... disable immediate:(
 
just like they do for making top nav sticky
 
@Alec it should appear as a switch to activate on the top of your messages pane. But don't know if it is universal or just offered to some random users.
 
@Alec I believe it has been requested
 
@Compass Reasonable point. Can a RO trash the request? I'm having second thoughts about whether the question deserves it or has it coming.
 
5:58 PM
which request?
the nato one?
 
@NathanOliver Yes
 
@Alec There are discussions on Meta.SE and a feature request that got some vague responses. meta.stackexchange.com/a/310911/136253
 
poor devs, people don't seem too amused with it
 
it feels weird
I call this... CLAUSTROPHOBIA.
 
6:02 PM
you get used to it.
 
that's how I'd describe it.
Nothing changed with the layout, it just feels even smaller than before.
 
i feel stressed just looking at it :DD, probably just me though, I despise all side nav
 
I turned it off
My life is whole again.
 
flagging dialogs are messed up lol
 
@JimGarrison Please use the actual close vote reason in your cv-pls
 
6:17 PM
@NathanOliver OK, will do
 
Hey guys, can you point me in the right direction of where to ask about duplicate questions? Or may I ask about it here?
 
@Quillion What do you mean "ask about duplicate questions"? You should not ask them, otherwise they will be closed as duplicates. (cannonical questions are a special thing)
 
@Olaf I have asked question stackoverflow.com/questions/50819473/… and now it says that it is duplicate
 
or asking about the concept of duplicate questions, which meta is the place
 
6:25 PM
it is not concept
 
One person has voted to close the question as a duplicate. The post has NOT be closed yet - it takes 5 people to vote to close the post.
 
I just want to know how I can get duplicate warning removed since my question doesn't match with what it says is duplicate
 
Only a tag user can single handedly mark as dupe.
No action is required.
 
The duplicate warning is only visible to you until the post is closed or the close vote is removed.
 
okey dokey :) Thanks @Compass
 
6:27 PM
The best advice in this situation is to edit your post explaining what is going on, which you already did. You're fine
@EJoshuaS "We can literally do nothing whatever to influence the process either way". You underestimate how much I can complain and whine :)
 
6:42 PM
I may be late to the party but I see the new site style is live
 
\o yup it is
 
i disabled teh side bar
 
In the process of doing the same.
 
@Nkosi Well, it's still broken in my browser, but the new borken parts actually work around the other broken parts, so I can now reach all buttons again. So for me: yay and cheers!
@Quillion Unless it's closed and you are certain your question isn't a dupe, you could ask the commenter for clarification and/or possibly edit your question. It's far from my field of expertise, but it does indeed not look like a dupe of the proposed question. Does not mean there is another dupe. But until then: all fine, have a biscuit and sit down:-)
 
7:09 PM
what's that awful panel that just appeared on the left????
:p
 
you can hide it
 
no one hides from the left hand nav
 
hides from left hand nav
 
7:27 PM
It's the 'Spanish Inquisition' panel.
 
If anyone knows docker or wants to make me sad: stackoverflow.com/questions/50824458/…
 
@MartinJames Nobody expects the Spanish Patch Position
 
@Machavity lol
 
7:47 PM
@gunr2171 Wouldn't that be more suited to SU or SF?
 
yeah, I can understand SU being better
crap
well, you made me sad
@NathanOliver moved
 
@gunr2171 Sorry, no SO rep for you ;)
 
: ( well I only have 103 on SU, so maybe more?
 
The MIG is better than SU at lower altitudes.
 
oh no, I don't have the privilege to see close votes on my own post on SU!!!! The paranoia is setting in hard.
 
8:13 PM
Wait, did we just CV gunr's question? We might need a meeting to discuss our feelings about that...
 
...now you're mocking me :P
 
@Alec woe is us
 
@gunr2171 I feel your pain, tho. I had to flag a question for closure on a site where I have no CV priv. That was weird
 
@Machavity any link posted here gets closed. That is why we exist.
 
As a reminder, you can make a Stylish entry (browser addon) for stackoverflow.com and stackexchange.com domains to 'fix' the sidebar using these styles: #left-sidebar { position: relative; left: -320px; } #left-sidebar nav[role="navigation"] { position: sticky; top: 50px; } #content { margin-left: -85px } (only works on fullscreen 1080p resolutions - it's a 30 second implementation for my 24" work monitors)
 
8:21 PM
: )
 
8:41 PM
@Fuzzyma you mean close. not possible to delete.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I would prefer a delete but a close is sufficiant. Why is a delete not possible?
 
first close, then delete.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre alright! Then I mean to close this first :)
 
Drain my brain
 
8:45 PM
@Compass I just answer 42 and move on.
 
9:11 PM
@TylerH Everyone enjoying the new main site layout? ;-)
@KevinWorkman It's a bit broad, but I'll let it go :-p
 
@halfer definitely not :-)
I just want the new nav back
 
@halfer Agreed, but the OP put in the effort to edit the question and it's a relatively reasonable one, if a bit broad
 
@TylerH I don't mind it. Can you hack it so it's in narrow mode (showing the hamburger icon and the floaty menu) all the time?
 
9:28 PM
General (subjective) question to room: I am aware that accepting answers is not mandatory. However, sometimes I see a good answer/s that has not been replied to by an apparently lazy Q author, and I comment to ask if the answer/s are worth their consideration. If I do not get a reply, and I know I have been ignored, is a DV legitimate?
 
Hi all! o/
 
Hey tree \o
 
o/
@halfer No. Voting is to judge the post, not the user. Just because the OP is ignoring you doesn't mean you should down vote them.
 
@NathanOliver Fair enough. To play devil's advocate for a bit though, there is another view that "you can vote for any reason you like, as long as it is not by user". If the real reason for my DV is known only because I comment and explain it, isn't the difference merely academic? In other words, your rule is unpoliceable, because voters would prefer to not own up to the real reason behind their vote.
 
@halfer Yes my rule is unpoliceable and you can vote however you want. That said, ethically, that is not what you should do. You should only be voting based on the content of the post.
 
9:37 PM
@NathanOliver alright, thanks! I will transfer my itchy trigger-finger to stroking the cat instead.
 
:)
Just remember, if he gives you that look stop or he'll tare your face off ;)
 
9:49 PM
Sites new design is cool for mobile devices :D
 
@MartinJames: heh, I like the little insult diary you're keeping on Meta! Apparently you're a Social Justice Warrior :-p
(halfer gives Martin a hug and tells him he should feel welcome in SO CVR)
 
10:23 PM
Hey guys, I'm not certain if this is the place for this, but I wanted to seek some help on moderation of this question which I came across in Triage. The question on its own merits closure as there is no code, however the user has posted what appears to be the non working code in two different answers. I'm not sure how to approach this as I feel that simply flagging the answers for deletion might not work.
 
@Lauraducky is the code posted as an answer actually meant to be an addendum to the question?
 
It's not an MCVE in any case so not worth any effort IMO.
 
Very possibly @halfer. I didn't read through it fully. It might be an attempt to circumvent maximum code limits on questions
 
@Lauraducky Urgh, and the OP has added two "answers"
 
@Lauraducky It's not even close to the maximum character limit. There might be an issue with the % of code vs text, but it's not close to the 30k character limit for posts.
 
10:27 PM
@Makyen yes, that's what I meant
 
@Lauraducky I would close as it is, since it is in a mess, and then see if the author is willing to fix it.
 
@Lauraducky I have seen essay size questions, character limit is very reasonable
 
I expect it is going to be unfixable, and there is not much value in spending a long time on things that have a low chance of recovery.
 
@Makyen sorry, I don't think I made myself clear. I have rarely if ever encountered issues with character limit, the limit I was referring to was the one on code percentage.
 
(Occasionally I am motivated by excessive kindness towards one question, perhaps because I am in an unusually good mood (!) or I think the author is likely to fix it. However, mostly I vote to close quickly, and offer a comment to indicate what amendments would be required to reopen).
 
10:53 PM
@MartinJames being a software issue does add a little challenge if we're not allowed bigInts
 
@Lauraducky: ^ I'm VTC the Q you mentioned earlier. Hopefully they will pop back up to fix it.
 

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