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2:00 PM
@Neil and I don't intend to do it alone. Many hands make light work
 
@JamesDyson ok, my apologies then. It's not my place.
 
@Neil ? You said nothing wrong
 
sbi
@Dolanor I haven't had blue socks in 30 years. Or longer.
 
@Neil Your opinion was based off what you knew of the situation
@sbi 'When I was young..." xD
 
@JamesDyson Just talking from experience
 
sbi
2:02 PM
@copy If you want to enjoy the lounge, you might want to grow a thicker skin and learn to laugh about yourself. (I have persuaded those guys here to be a bit more wary about throwing the "nazi" accusation around. But that's about it.)
@JamesDyson 30 years ago your parents were young.
 
@Cicada ooh, we're famous!
 
@KonradRudolph Holy nectarines, WTF is that.
 
@sbi Howd you know old my parents were?
 
sbi
Bin lame remark of me being a nazi.
 
hahah
 
2:04 PM
:4272947 *takes cover behind lead shielding*
 
@sbi Just joking. I never take such things seriously
 
:4272947
 
sbi
@JamesDyson We adults know some real shit, boy. Be wary of us.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Wow, you really know how to swear.
 
@sbi bit of an overreaction maybe? I thought considering the context it was perfectly fine
 
2:05 PM
@JamesDyson Actually, be wary of @sbi. He likes to watch others in their sleep.
 
any way, time for afternoon tea :D
 
@sbi Bahahahah "You....You young whiper sniper"
 
sbi
@copy Of course you'd say this. Now. :b
 
@sbi Good for you you're not german !
 
@EtiennedeMartel oh god! You made it worse!
 
2:06 PM
@Dolanor *jumps behind lead shielding again*
 
sbi
@thecoshman :b
 
@copy Well, you still called me a "stupid Canadian". That's not cool. I'm not Canadian.
 
sbi
@JamesDyson I have kids in your age.
 
@sbi Yeah, we all know you're old.
 
@EtiennedeMartel When things are really crazy, I use "Holy <random fruit here>".
 
2:07 PM
@sbi ......Howd you know my age?!
hahah
 
@EtiennedeMartel My apologies
 
sbi
@Dolanor What are you? A wanna-be troll?
 
2:07 PM
Also semi-unrelated to the "women on SO" thing, on a few occasions people have thought I was a girl because apparently my username sounds a bit girly. :)
 
@jalf You mean you're not a girl?
 
faecal matter !
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Damn.
 
God its my chip having problems again
 
Not this shit again...
 
sbi
2:08 PM
@JamesDyson When you treat SO as your facebook, you shouldn't be surprised when others mine your data there.
 
faecal matter
@sbi Yes, I know
brb\
 
@sbi No, I endured german invasion after WWII. Still don't know which is worst. Real war, or people with sandals and blue socks around the cathedral of Strasbourg.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not old. I am merely experienced.
 
@Neil well, I wasn't last time I checked
 
How often do you check?
 
2:10 PM
@sbi Yeah, right.
Yeah, @jalf, surprise sex change is incredibly common these days.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Excellent point. If you haven't checked in a while, there might have been new.. um.. developments.
 
sbi
@Dolanor See, and if you ask @jalf, he'll tell you that Germans are the ones with yellow rain jackets and blue rubber boots. Now, do you want all of us to bask in our stereotypes about your nation?
 
"OMG I woke up and suddenly, I have boobs! I don't need my imagination anymore!"
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That sounds like a standard issue gender bender hentai plot.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Boobs?! Oh, cut it. You're a fucking robot!
 
2:11 PM
@sbi So? Maybe he's a sexbot.
 
@sbi Sure. I have a moustache and eat baguette all the time. And I have an awful english accent.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's the kind of predictable plot a robot would say.
 
@sbi Where did you get that idea? If I was a fucking robot I wouldn't need smarts.
 
@Dolanor How does it feel to have lost the european cup? :D
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, like the one in Stross' Saturn's Children, huh?
@Neil They are used to that.
 
2:14 PM
@sbi Is that one any good? I've been thinking of buying that one along with Neptune's Brood.
 
@sbi the ones floating away towards open sea on their beach trip and having to be picked up by rescue helicopters, you mean :D
 
@sbi We'll see you this thursday. :)
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I liked it a lot.
 
May the best team win, and by the best team, I mean Italy.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Maybe I got it from you?
@Neil I doubt it. I don't think I'll be online here Thursday night. I'm likely to watch somewhere.
 
2:17 PM
@Neil As a French, I'm only into foot when we win ^^. Last time, it was 14 years ago.
 
sbi
@jalf Right, those. In their blue socks, brown sandals worn over blue rubber boots, and in their yellow Friesian minks, they float effortlessly towards the open sea, until the Danish coast watch hurts their contemplation by picking them up and flying them back to your boring countryside.
 
:)
 
Stupid Enter key.
I'm curious, what are the stereotypes of Portuguese people out there?
 
moustache
everywhere
on the eyebrows
armpit
on girls titties
under girls titties
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Hmm. Honestly, it's hard to tell you apart from the Spaniards.
 
2:22 PM
EVERYWHERE
 
sbi
Portuguese aren't important enough for other nations to make up stereotypes about them. Monotypes have to suffice.
 
That's my view of the subject as an ignorant North American.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel You? What?
 
@sbi I'm Québécois. A separatist, remember?
 
for plenty of stereotype inspiration, dailycandor.com/what-europeans-think-of-each-other
 
2:29 PM
@sbi Well I didn't mean online. I wasn't going to come online either.
@Dolanor My sympathies..
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Canada is a federal state and not a confederate association of sovereign states.
 
@sbi That's why he's a separatist.
 
@sbi It's still incredibly decentralized.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes No, that's why he's a Canandadian.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes The urban legends say Portuguese males are hairy.
(It's a stereotype really)
 
2:33 PM
@sbi Juridically, yes. Philosophically, no. I do not consider myself a "Canadian".
 
We also tend to refer to building workers as "Portugueses" (even when they're not) due to the high amount of Portuguese people in that working category
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Guess how much of a typical German I feel myself?
 
@sbi The typical person thinks he or she isn't.
 
sbi
@Neil Exactly.
 
My wife tends to think that stereotypes are somewhat based on truth
It's hard to convince her otherwise, because any counter-examples she calls anecdotal evidence
 
2:36 PM
They are based on generalizations
 
So how do you disprove a generalization without statistics?
 
Generally, yes
 
@Neil Well, erm, anecdotal evidence are completely valid as counter examples, right?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, if the argument was to prove that stereotypes are completely true
She doesn't claim they're entirely true, just partially
 
Well, you can't say "all <X> are <Y>".
 
sbi
2:39 PM
The plural of anecdote is not data. – Roger Brinner
 
How can I be sure that my compiler does RVO on a particular function?
Crawl through the assembly?
 
@Cicada Cross your fingers.
 
sbi
@Cicada Look at the generated code.
 
@EtiennedeMartel She doesn't say that. She says some <X> are <Y>
 
Has anyone here worked with ICU before? I'm having some weird linker errors
 
sbi
2:40 PM
@Neil That will be the more likely the more <x> you have.
 
@Neil well, she's almost guaranteed to be right, for any generalization about a large population group
 
@Neil Yeah, sure. But it's completely pointless.
I mean, of course some people fit the stereotype. That doesn't make the stereotype any more valid.
 
if "partially true" means "at least one person fits the generalization"
 
@EtiennedeMartel You're absolutely right. I guess I shouldn't let it bother me since it doesn't even really mean anything.
 
You can't draw any conclusions on a group based on a few of its members.
 
2:42 PM
But call it a pet peeve of mine I suppose. Just like when my wife tells me she doesn't want to fly in a commercial airliner despite the fact that statistically you have more chance of dying in the car wreck on the way to the airport than die in a plane crash.
 
IMO, the problem with generalizations isn't how accurate they are, but that as long as they're not 100% accurate, they're unfair
 
@Neil Maybe she just doesn't know how statistics work.
 
Quick check: Does googling "SSE" show Streaming SIMD Extensions for most of you?
I'm about to say no to this meta post.
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Q: Remove or Change the [SSE] tag

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM Asse Can refer to: server-sent-events or Streaming SIMD Extensions (which is what sse points to now) Can we please create the tag streaming-simd or something like that and burninate the sse tag so that it cannot be confused? OR still create the other tag, but allow for the [sse] tag to be used ...

 
@Mysticial as #2 result, yes
below sse.com
 
@EtiennedeMartel No I think she does. That's the strange thing. I think she just prefers not to accept reality.
 
2:43 PM
@Neil Oh. So, good old cognitive dissonance.
 
Which, again, is a pet peeve of mine..
Ah well. I suppose if she were perfectly rational, I could probably understand a thing or two about programming. :)
She tried to convince me that I ought to write a programming language which can be told what to do in perfect english.
 
sbi
@jalf All generalizations are wrong.
 
@jalf thx
 
When I tried to explain to her that english is very ambiguous, she seemed to think it could be solved by the program asking the right questions to fill in the blanks
 
@Neil Did you try to explain to her that natural languages are hard to parse correctly?
 
2:45 PM
eh, don't try to disprove her generalizations. Ask he if it's fair to apply them to every single member of the group she's generalizing about. If someone says "group X is a bunch of lazy criminals", the interesting question is not "is that true", but "is this statement fair towards the members of the group who aren't". Even if it's true for 99% of the group, you're still insulting the last 1%. is that fair?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Even if you could parse it, how could you get the intended meaning?
 
sbi
@jalf I was making a joke — which, apparently, went over everybody's head. :(
 
@sbi I got it :)
I didn't realize I was supposed to comment on it
 
I'll give you the example she gave me the other day. She said "If I say, 'I want ice cream', it should know what I mean." To which I replied, "What kind of ice cream? What do you mean by want? Where should I get it?"
Most of this information is inferred because we're human and we fill in the blanks.
The closest analogy I could get her to understand would be how a complete stranger on the streets would interpret "I want ice cream" correctly.
 
@Neil And how does it distinguish beetween the meanings "I would've liked for this to happen", and "I want you to make it happen". If you say "I want a million dollars", it generally doesn't mean "go rob a bank and get me the money", but if you say "I want a cup of coffee", a reasonable interpretation is "please get me a cup of coffee" :)
 
sbi
2:49 PM
@jalf Oh, I thought you were answering to me. Sorry.
 
@jalf Precisely.
 
@sbi Ah yeah, it was meant @Neil
 
I didn't convince her though. *sigh*
Though again, I guess if I could, not only would she understand what it means to be a programmer, I myself would probably be a far better programmer than I am.
 
in other news, tomorrow, I might have successfully hacked websocket support onto our vnc server. It nearly works now :)
then I'll be one step closer to never having to look at our vnc server code again
 
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Q: Linker errors with MessageFormat in ICU

Seth CarnegieI am trying to use the ICU library, specifically the icu::MessageFormat::format function. I can use other parts of ICU perfectly well, but whenever I use MessageFormat::format, it compiles fine but it can't link for some reason. It fails with the following errors: libsicuin.a:msgfmt.cpp: undefi...

Could anyone help me with this?
 
2:51 PM
@jalf That's what you think. :D
 
@Neil Yep. Don't spoil it
 
Our company finally managed to get around to getting an official web site built, which up until now I've had to scrap together a site to support user authentication in order to view certain sensitive pages
So now we have this new site made by a third party, and then the question comes up, "Wait, where are we going to put this sensitive data?" Surprise! They've now decided to link to the old site from the new site.
 
@SethCarnegie OH NOES!!!! Someone came in and dumped a link!!!!!
jk...
 
@Mysticial no, I'm still here so I didn't dump it
 
sbi
@SethCarnegie Yeah, likely on SO proper, where there's thousands hanging out, whereas here, it's just a few dozen.
 
2:56 PM
@sbi the smartest ones are here
quality not quantity
 
@SethCarnegie Hmm, @RMartinhoFernandes was also messing with ICU.
 
sbi
@SethCarnegie You're asking about a niche. This is not about smartness, it's all about random exposure to that niche.
 
@sbi it can't hurt to ask
 
What's ICU anyway? Intensive Care Unit?
 
@SethCarnegie Flattery will get you nowhere. What was your problem again?
 
2:57 PM
Incredibly Crappy Unicode
 
International Compontents for Unicode
@Neil There's a link to the question
 
Courtesy of IBM.
 
@Neil I'm having a linker error when I try to use MessageFormat
@CatPlusPlus why is it crappy
 
@Cicada portuguese female too
 
@SethCarnegie Ask @RMartinhoFernandes.
 
2:58 PM
@SethCarnegie Not at all. Just some of the most knowledgeable C++ developers.
 
@jalf if they're using C++ they must be smart
 
@SethCarnegie Looks like a linking problem
 
I use Haskell, therefore I am.
 
@CatPlusPlus It's really from IBM?
 
@Neil lol
 
2:59 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yes.
 
That would explain the crappy Java-like interface.
 
@EtiennedeMartel it's a library for Java as well so they probably like to keep it uniform
since Java is more limited than C++, the C++ gets to look like Java
 
Unfortunately, no one wants to take the time to write a proper, modern, nice looking C++ Unicode lib.
 
bob
I'm creating a c++ network program. I just have a quick networking question. Does mpls and similar routing protocols use the layer 3 to talk to one another, or just the layer 2 ?
 
any pythonistas on? linked a question in python chat about django
 
sbi
3:03 PM
Wasn't @DeadMG complaining about ICU being crap the other day?
 
@notbadjpeg wrong wroom
 
@sbi Yeah, but he's always complaining about anything.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel My point was: He was recently dabbling with it, so he might know a thing or two about it,
 
@sbi DeadMG blocked me though (or simply doesn't respond to my questions/comments)
 
sbi
How tragic.
 
3:06 PM
@SethCarnegie What did you do? I mean, I constantly shit on his head, and he still doesn't block me.
 
Argued about C-strings
 
@SethCarnegie Well you sure know how to pick'em, don't you?
 
so you can't compare single char with strcmp ?
 
@TonyTheLion no, chars aren't NULL-terminated
or NUL-terminated or whatever
 
@TonyTheLion You could use strncmp though if you passed a pointer to the char
But why?
Gotcha!
 
3:08 PM
Nevermind, my mind paused for a second.
 
@sbi Good anti-facebook argument
 
@sbi onlybecausewetoldyou.com
 
sbi
@Neil Have you scrolled all the way to the bottom of the page?
 
I don't agree to be honest, or I mean.. I for one know that all my status updates are available to the public
 
3:12 PM
@sbi Yes
 
though I use my facebook mostly for self-promotion purposes.. even though that sounds lame, models are somewhat whores who needs exposure to work more
 
Perhaps the intended purpose was not to be anti-facebook, but I find that's an excellent reason not to publish your life on facebook
 
it's a good wake up call for those who shares personal information and are unaware of the fact that it is indeed available to the public (unless you change your privacy settings)
 
Ell
hi guys
 
@Ell g'day.
 
Ell
3:16 PM
its all just "biggest hangover ever" :L
 
Wow
It was because my libraries were listed in the wrong order on the command line
 
Gotta love that.
 
@SethCarnegie Nice. Intuition wins again.
 
Intuition?
 
@SethCarnegie Yeah, intuitive design, whatever you want to call it
 
3:21 PM
The order of libraries mattering is not intuitive
 
@SethCarnegie Let me rephrase that then.
@SethCarnegie Nice. <sarcasm>Intuition wins again.</sarcasm>
 
@Neil my mistake, I never can tell with new people
 
I'm not that new. I've been here about a month
 
That's pretty new lol
 
@SethCarnegie Says the mandala square
 
Ell
3:25 PM
I would class a month year old a _new_born :L
 
Only new people change their avatars
 
home time for me!
 
@sehe Uncanny.
 
What is home time
Is it like, planck time, home time...
 
3:29 PM
Down time. Half time. Double time. Real time. Any time. Another time (that's tele tubbies)
 
Unless you live in Australia, in which case it's Down under time
 
lulz time
 
@EtiennedeMartel How did you know they were German?
 
@FredOverflow As I said earlier, they spoke German. Or something that sounded like German.
 
3:38 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Ah. That explains. Obviously, they were Danes. Or Swiss
 
Jun 22 at 5:45, by R. Martinho Fernandes
> Most UnicodeString methods do not take a UErrorCode parameter (...). Instead, such methods set the UnicodeString into a "bogus" state (see isBogus()) if an error occurs.
Among many others.
I've strewn several reasons across this chat.
 
meh shitty librarys
 
@sbi Interesting... apparently a lot of people have phone numbers with XXXs in them:
> Disclaimer: All data is pulled directly from Facebook, it is not censored
I could bet that was a lie, then
 
@sehe If not, I'd like to know who was the guy who was smart enough to find an X to dial on a telephone
 
> I had a colleague who was very messy. Half of his cubicle was a pile of junk that reached to the top of the cubicle. Whenever he wanted something, he would rummage through all the stuff, throwing things aside until he found it.
> One day I asked him to find a computer file for me that I'd erased by mistake. It was taking him a while, so I went to look over his shoulder. His desktop was an exact duplicate of his cubicle. It had a massive pile of icons in one corner, and he was furiously rummaging through them to uncover the right file.
I can spend hours on websites like this :)
 
sbi
3:52 PM
@Neil It's "8" on my phone, it could be "9" on yours.
@FredOverflow That's because you have too much time at hand.
 
What would cause this error: "the global scope has no "_invalid_parameter_noinfo"?
This is directly linked to #include <iostream>
 
@sbi I have been sick for over a week.
 
sbi
@user1477622 Usually some missing } or ; in some header included above <iostream>.
@FredOverflow Oh, poor sod! You're better now?
 
@sbi Yes, I'm gonna resume work tomorrow.
 
@sbi Let the joke be funny for once. :(
 
3:55 PM
@sbi Line 1: #include <iostream>
 
@FredOverflow What kind of sickness?
 
sbi
@user1477622 In a cpp file or in some header?
 
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extremely unpleasant I can tell you
 
@FredOverflow That's one ugly photo.
 
@sbi in a .cpp technically. This file is included by another file that actually gets compiled
 
3:57 PM
@user1477622 If you include .cpp files, kittens die.
 
1 message moved to bin
 
"_invalid_parameter_noinfo shows up as a problem most often as an “Unresolved external symbol” when you get some mix up between DEBUG and RELEASE modes." cowboyprogramming.com/2007/02/22/…
 
@CatPlusPlus Weakling.
 
Yeah I just clicked on that @MooingDuck
 
sbi
@user1477622 So technically, it's a header, even though it's named .cpp. Anyway, what's included above that .cppfile in the "file that actually gets compiled"?
 
3:58 PM
@FredOverflow I'm including it because I'm using a function out of it
 
@user1477622 If you are including a .cpp file, you are doing something wrong, believe me.
 
sbi
:)
 
@user1477622 was that really easier than putting a function prototype in some header?
 
I didn't start this project, what would you recommend instead?
 
@sbi Cool. Can you also bring the titties back? ;)
2
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Yes, I can.
 
But you wouldn't, right?
 

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