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11:00 PM
@paul23 Where will you put so many people in the prison to begin with?
 
You could let them trade in their guns for medicinal marijuana
 
On what clause ?
 
can't we have both?
 
So, I come to my conclusion that the US citizens (as a whole) basically accept "gun violence" as "part of life". and just is apathic against the life loss during each shooting.
 
ahahah shrek
@paul23 nice conclusion
 
11:01 PM
just like europe accepts suicide bombings
 
@paul23 jup
 
@paul23 Seems like you have only been living in US
take a detour to a 3rd world or 4th world country for example
 
@paul23 Yes and no. If you support gun rights you do accept in in the same way you accept vehicle deaths and don't demand all speed limits be made 10 kph.
 
@Mosho we are safe
 
whats a 4th world country? Even shittier?
 
11:01 PM
@Mosho just like people in Russia accept disappearing ?
LMGTFY
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russians are not in the position to accept or reject anything
 
@ShrekOverflow I was that far
 
@Mosho We are not - we have to act against it - however we have to also take into account that we need to support israel/us in their destabilizing efforts as the us kept us alive after ww2. So we are in a bad position.
 
Those who haven't even caught up to even 3rd world
 
11:02 PM
India for example is a 3rd world country and is also an economic super power now, you can't keep some super under developed country in the same base.
 
> Muslim Mayor Of London Tells Citizens To Get Used To Terrorism
 
Being american, and a gun owner, and knowing many other gun owners, MANY of them are OK with some new sensible laws. The politics are all either "ban" or "no limits", though. So we get nothing done to help.
 
are they really tho? or is it painted that "gun regulations" == "ban guns"
 
I think the first step
is to only allow handguns
 
@ShrekOverflow I have not ever been in the US, and unless a place can guarantee me that I'll not become the victim of a gun shooting I don't see myself ever going there.
 
11:03 PM
gun being a toy is the problem, I think
 
yes. any sensible regulation is turned into a "slipper slope to a ban" by the far right
 
big donors paint every attempt to regulate guns as a stepping stone toward banning guns
 
@paul23 so which country are you from ?
 
Netherlands.
 
11:04 PM
akimbo
 
Oh ... that makes sense
lol
 
@Mosho many many more people die by handgun. they are concealable. rifles just get the headline since mass shooters pick those
 
@Mosho why not just limit the ammo?
 
lots of rifles in Canada
 
random crimes are usually handguns. criminals don't like carrying rifles for obvious reasons
 
11:05 PM
And sure we have gun violence here: but 99% of the time it's heavy criminals vs heavy criminals. - And even heavy criminals hardly ever take guns with them (they don't wish to get jailed for a simple routine check).
 
oh look, another downvote
 
@Luggage and that's a problem everywhere, not just the US
 
haha
i should ask for downvote clarification
 
@KevinB where?
 
@paul23 you do realize US populus is about 10x of Netherlands at least right?
 
user2620028
11:05 PM
@jhawins the fuck lmfao, rtv it back together, at this point why the fuck not
 
my question
 
a lot of them are un-educated, jobless etc
 
@ShrekOverflow Sure, but like I said: I can't remember gun violence ever happening here against children.
 
it's -22 now
 
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@shrek i take offense to that
 
11:06 PM
people would accept it if it wasn't mass shootings from hotel windows and only gangsters offing each other
 
did you just call me uneducated?
 
like they do in other countries
 
@HatterisMad That is the reality isn't it?
 
user2620028
what are we talking about
 
US is even more than 10x the netherlands. But it's a matter of "each month" vs "can't remember in a lifetime".
 
11:06 PM
@HatterisMad the TV show MASH
 
user2620028
ooh i loved that show
 
sooooo good
 
user2620028
going to watch it after i get done watching friends
 
@KevinB u got more rep this month than I have in total :P
 
do you guys remember celebrity deathmatch
 
11:07 PM
@paul23 take a gunless country the size of US with same amount of education, frustrated people and check the statistics of violent crimes against children.
 
triple ping
 
That's been done
 
Why the downvote? If you explain, then I have an opportunity to improve my question. — Kevin B 7 secs ago
 
and every time, the results are the same, and the US ignores it
 
comment upvoted, against my standing rule.
 
11:08 PM
lol
 
you cheeky bastard
 
@phenomnomnominal lol
 
@KevinB damn you got hammered
 
omg lol @ShrekOverflow
 
11:08 PM
Well you ask for the impossible there @ShrekOverflow - there is no such country. But if we take the EU as a whole I think it is comparable.
 
@paul23 EU is not
EU has much higher education statistics than US
 
liars
 
so what you're saying i that it's a good idea for less educated people to have guns?
 
Wut? - the best educational institutes are still in the US. - As are the top research opportunities.
 
11:09 PM
I am just saying educated people don't shoot each other well far less.
 
expecially when they're frustrated en masse
 
@phenomnomnominal of course, it evens the playing field otherwise they just get outwitted'
 
bullshit. educated people do all sorts of crime
 
@phenomnomnominal yep
 
user2620028
@paul23 yeah and the europeans have the money to fly over here and go to them, we don't
 
11:10 PM
@phenomnomnominal natural selection needs a little help sometimes /s
 
@paul23 Thats like saying London is representative of the entire EU
 
@ShrekOverflow you get how averages work right?
 
@phenomnomnominal You'll need a median here
 
you can't just go, these two things aren't identical, so we can't compare them
 
well, you can
but you'd be wrong
 
11:11 PM
Well you can
and it'll be a guestimate
 
but you'd be wrong
:P
 
nothing substantial
 
yes but that's why there are statistics and null hypotheses
 
crime stats can't be trusted evenly between all countries, too.
 
@phenomnomnominal Well I guess what @ShrekOverflow wishes to say is that what it's important is how educated the lower ~25% of the population is.
 
11:12 PM
and each country is it's own anecdote. it's own culture and history that matters
 
and that is important, and everyone should be able to get that education to lower that bar
 
^
Educated people are much easier to approach too tbh, but also impossible to at times.
 
but imagine if you could put all the money saved from people not being able to haphazardly shoot each other into education.
 
Education is for poor people
 
this country has a rather long history involving guns and government power. a ban on guns would be an enormous shift in power from the people to the government, even if artificial.
 
11:14 PM
Question - when sending a digest request, postman should url encode, right
because it seems it doesnt
 
and a large portion of the country would be adamantly against any form of that.
 
only because people are misinformed about the power of the government
 
But @ShrekOverflow just for my interest, what country do you feel is about the same education level as the US?
 
!!message back my tinder match or get drunk and play video games
 
which again comes back to education
 
11:15 PM
@ndugger message back my tinder match
 
I'm well aware it's a chicken egg situation
 
Fuck, fine...
 
but one approach ends up with less dead kids
I find it frustrating, I'm sure that's understandable.
 
@paul23 To be honest, not sure.
US goes from people at MIT to people who think earth is flat.
 
I say just let the mass shootings continue till some smart person comes up with 2 solutions off the top of their head to fix everything
 
11:16 PM
As if somehow MIT is the pinnacle of education
Ok then
 
@ndugger its pretty damn high though, right ?
 
A cryptocurrency miner hidden in a favicon.ico - welcome to 2018 via @chrskly
 
Let's force vaccination first. That'll save way more children's lives that are lost due to the ingnorance of their parents.
 
Absolutely incredible
 
Smart people are dangerous
 
11:17 PM
@Luggage WHAT?
 
Sure, but in general, higher education, like colleges and universities, in the US are complete bullshit
School doesn’t necessarily equate to education
 
Maybe the correct thing to compare isn't "education"
but debt from education
 
That too
or debt in general
 
lol
debt
 
as in, what are the barriers to getting a "formal" education.
 
11:18 PM
I almost have 2000 paid off my student loc :(
 
@phenomnomnominal fake news
 
and what are the necessities
 
@ndugger I know that first hand too 😬 oboecat's java class was worse than mine 😐 and I didn't even think that was even hypothetically possible.
 
it's been 6 months :(
 
My student load was NZ$70k for 6 years of study.
 
11:18 PM
I pay tuition in cash
it's not too bad in canada
and fully deductible
 
mine was free
 
As far as I understand it that's be equivalent to ~2 years in the US
 
My entire education in US money is $12k That incudes everything.
 
but i walked away from it and didnt' finish it
 
source: My father billed me
 
11:19 PM
I wish i could study there (MIT) :P - Actually I could if I just didn't get addicted to league of legends in my 2nd year of uni. "Everyone who succeeds in his bachelor degree within 3 years can gets a full scholarship at MIT for a masters degree" was a thing in my study (aerospace engineering).
 
@ShrekOverflow estimated costs. Or past already billed costs?
 
for an equivalent qual
 
there's that online MS program from GATech
 
@ShrekOverflow that is really cheap for a 4 year degree
 
@William It includes my school years too
 
11:19 PM
Now only about 5% actually manages to get their BSc in 3 years XD
 
same degree as physical MS, $7k for the entire degree
no thesis though
 
@ShrekOverflow like elementary & middle & high school?
that's crazy low then
 
Yes
including books and everything
 
WTH do you live?
 
Indiana
 
11:21 PM
That's something else I find weird in the US: how "university" isn't a protected title and "schools" need to be of a certain level before they can call themselves a university.
 
@William A country in the 3rd world.
 
the country in the 3rd world
 
@ShrekOverflow like I said, Indiana
 
@ndugger Nailed it.
 
wasn't india first world? I thought they were on our side
 
11:21 PM
Growing up in the Netherlands it feels really weird that just about any higher education is called "university" in the US.
 
yeah you could easily spend 12k one semester with housing in college.
 
I just got that, and I can't stop laughing
 
and food
college = 2 year
university = 4 year+
 
it's more about college vs university in the US
 
@paul23 universites and colleges are different, iirc
I dropped out though, so what do I know?
 
11:22 PM
@Luggage we'll be weird world influence wise and economy wise its still developing
 
ohh, it was third
 
And Space X now competes with our most profitable company in the past decade.
 
I think in the US everyone just says college
like "I go to college"
even if it's a university
 
@ShrekOverflow first/second/third is based on which side you took in the cold war
 
in Canada, (mostly) college is practical, university is theory
 
11:23 PM
@Mosho typically if you are at a university you go by fresh, sophomore, junior senior
 
and the whole diploma / degree deal
 
Your country's economy is based on pumping out shitty jquery developers and mediocre doctors
 
@ssube We didn't take any, we did have good relations with the Ruskies though.
 
@William that's just what year you are
 
right, that's third
 
11:24 PM
has nothing to do with university/college
 
@Mosho your right. But nobody I know says I'm in college.
 
@William I know
 
no one says "I'm a sophomore in college"?
 
I am a college. Come inside. I will teach you.
 
mostly freshman say that
 
11:25 PM
^ unless you look really young
 
that's how you can tell they're freshman
 
@ndugger I already have ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
--- ninja'd
 
Dank
 
Well we have many different "schools" here, and only "top" level of education can be called "univeristy" (it's also 5+ years and ends with masters degree). Then you have "hbo" (lit. higher job education), but they call themselves "univeristy" too (they use english term to prevent using the protected term);
For computer science it's the difference between a job where you program (hbo). Or where you work as advisor to companies about how they should do it/work as researcher (university).
 
11:25 PM
HBO !!! Sorry, just found it funny.
 
HBO is where you go to see decent breasts here
not good ones, and all the dongs are floppy
it's not a well respected place
 
breasts are okay
 
Should I get Papa Johns or Dominos?
 
@ssube After college years, it's the same ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@ndugger Johns
 
@ndugger the first one
 
11:26 PM
Nevermind, I prefer papa
 
Dominos sucks like insanely.
 
Yeeeee
 
dominos is gross
 
Agreed
 
Johns
 
11:27 PM
papa john's sauce tastes like light beer
with a little bit of battery acid
 
I've never had papa johns
 
I like dominos because it's literally the only place in israel that will put whatever you want on the pizza
 
but dominos looses every time
 
Dominos Pizza feels like you are eating lead
 
it might be the worst pizza I've ever had
 
11:27 PM
pizza hut is the best
 
if I get a pizza, it's only because it has 8 kinds of meat on it
 
Hoger beroeps onderwijs. (higher job education). - We also have "MBO" (medium job education, for things like office desk secretary etc) and had "lbo" (lower job education, now renamed since lower sounded condencing -- this is for jobs like a plumber and carpenter)
 
dominoes is bad, but papa john's is worse
 
I love papa johns
 
@KevinB almost every small mom&pop pizza place is better
 
11:27 PM
pizza is trash though
 
little caesar's is better, quality-wise
 
but if you have to compare big chain.. maybe
 
there are enough local pizza places I never need settle on papa johns or dominoes
 
Pft
 
BYOP @ndugger
or just get a chipotle
 
11:28 PM
@Luggage there's a place nearby that does delicious deep dish
 
I have tons of local pizza places now
 
lucky you
 
@ssube have you had andreas pizza?
 
!!pizza 1920 1080
 
11:28 PM
yeah there's no mom&pop pizza place here
 
the only pizza I can get currently is lorempizza :'(
Thanks lemon
 
@KevinB we have quite a few
 
@ShrekOverflow i thought they had dominos over there
 
though we could go to sams and they'll heat up a digiorno's for you
 
no pizza there? open a place
 
11:28 PM
no, don't know it
 
make millions
 
I have phase 3 of root canal today, wish me luck folks. Bye :P
 
@ssube it’s the best. Their cajun chicken pizza is #1
 
fun
 
@ShrekOverflow luck
 
11:29 PM
Bad luck
 
Not fun, anesthetics didn't work the last time
 
i'm landing on the mun tonight
 
@KevinB how many people in your city?
 
and then putting a science station around it
no idea
 
mun ?
 
11:29 PM
no rough idea?
 
it's one of the larger cities in the state
 
!!urban mun
 
the mun, in the sky
 
@ShrekOverflow mun Derived from the word "mundane", a mun is the author writing for a character in an online [RPG]. Can also be used as a suffix to denote a reference to a character's player rather than the character. Synonymous with certain connotations of roleplayer, author, player.
 
@ShrekOverflow hard to prove...
 
11:30 PM
That's what your mun said.
 
@William ?
 
so then if there is only big chain pizza.. you should totally open or fund opening a shop
 
my mun is too heavy to stay in the sky
 
:D
 
@ShrekOverflow self report bias
 
11:30 PM
if the city was small I'd understand, but it's big. you need good pizza
 
@William about anesthetics?
 
@Luggage what scale did you do the benchy at
 
41k population
 
42% scale, 0.4 nozzle, 0.12 layer
 
/rlemon is planning a pizza place
 
11:31 PM
@ShrekOverflow yes. Who is reporting the pain? You. You can't prove it didn't work without placebo. I'm just saying.
 
Actually LoremPizza as a good pizza place doesn't sound bad
@William I can feel when the pin goes into my root canals and its not a placebo pain, its like someone is taking a knife and making it go through your hand pain
 
@William if you feel anything, it didn't work
pretty easy to tell with local anesthesia
 
@ShrekOverflow I'd call it Dan's Pizza, and then everyone would be wondering who tf dan is
ohh the laughs..
 
Who is Dan ?
 
> Dan's gone, he's been gone for years
 
11:33 PM
"Hi, i want to talk to the owner of this place"
 
"sorry, Dan's not here"
 
They've all gone
and we're back
 
every question about Dan, he's gone
no details, no other answer, just gone
 
I love that the UK has a TV channel just called Dave
 
11:34 PM
Dave FM
we had a radio station
might still be a thing
ohh now it's called Dave Rocks
 
Sounds more like a show than a station to me :P
 
uhhhhhhh
@Luggage imported the file.. it's just floating. :D
 
$100 if you can do that
 
"Between 4 and 8 we relive the 80s with Dave Rocks"
 
@rlemon what did you expect from a boat
 
11:37 PM
clik center and arrange
 
@KamilSolecki ffs kamel
 
You print 3d from a non cad/cam tool? What madness is this.
 
huh?
 
@paul23 How is S3D non-cam?
 
11:38 PM
I had a free pizza available with papa johns, so it was the right decision
 
It looks to me more like a 3d modelling program like blender than a cad like solidworks/catia or (god forbid) autocad.
Might be just the interface though ;P
 
That's not a modeling program
That's a slicer
 
I should probably clean and level my bed before attempting this
24% scale
.08 layer heights
1800mm/min
 
hm.
the nozzle width with be an issue, but i'd liek to see
 
I'm gonna try it
it'll probably fail, then I'll clean and level and try again
says 27 minutes, so ... hour and a half?
 
11:42 PM
Does the input have "measures" (relative or absolute) or is it just a mesh of triangles?
 
@paul23 a slicer takes a 3d model and transforms it into something that the printer understands
put simply
 
STL is just triangles in arbitrary units
mm by convention
 
So not CAD (where you define things through mathematical shapes/cuts & lines). I'll withdraw then :(.
 
CAD is the previous step
The slicer is for once you have the model and want to reproduce it with a machine
 
@KendallFrey Typically cad products are send directly to the tooling. So you don't lose "accuracy".
 
11:45 PM
They are?
I've always seen them run through a toolpath generator first
 
Yes, nowadays the programs are "cad/cam" (computer aided drawing + computer aided manufacturing).
 
You mean two things in one?
 
CATIA (and solidworks) sure are used "for the whole process".
 
That's super rare for 3D printing
 
if I didn't want to check the middle step myself, I can just send the stl file directly to the printer (octoprint) and have it generate the gcode
 
11:47 PM
From drawing through simulation and to actual sending data to the extrudor/cut machines.
 
@rlemon octoprint does gcode?
 
you can install a cura plugin
 
so cura, but it is automatic
 
@KendallFrey Consumer level 3d printing
 
11:48 PM
I always want to control the generated code
The concept of a single good setting is a myth afaict
 
same. I like to double check everything and tweak settings per print
 
@KendallFrey not using the middle man (3d model) doesn't prevent you from doing that?
Or well, shouldn't
 
@paul23 I mean not setting up the slicer for the model, in any case
 
Before I open that, I fully expect some part of a firearm.
oh no
 
11:51 PM
what the fukc lemon
 
I have also (sadly) not ever found a single good converter from CAD to meshmodels :/. They always introduce artifacts/inaccuracies when I use a smoothed surface. (And connect two surfaces together using the same function to generate the surface)
 
is that a train collision ?
 
@ShrekOverflow no, just a train
 
oh ok
 
I don't understand builds that big
 
11:52 PM
@paul23 CAD that can't export to a mesh format? That seems like a bad idea.
 
@paul23 write one in python 😃 ?
 
like 200K iron/min
 
@Luggage fuck yeah :)
 
@rlemon why or how
 
someone on the reddit sub is going for a 250k/min iron production
 
11:53 PM
isn't the achievement like, 200k / hour ?
 
how many different iron ore patches do you need to hit to not mine one out in a few minutes?
 
I don't understand this game
 
or a few hours I guess
 
@rlemon my guess is they hoard away all the mineral before hand
 
miners only work so fast. but there is only a limited supply per ore patch
@FélixGagnon-Grenier well the map is 'infinite'
 
11:54 PM
... yeah
 
so I suspect people just train it around the map and find new patches as they grow
but that seems like a lot of iron
 
@KendallFrey As I said in the industry 3d models are just never used. The only 3d modelling is done to "view" the cad model (and this is also done inside catia, as it produces much better lightning than any other software I found - takes a few hours to calculate though)- but that's similar to how an svg is rasterized when viewing on the screen.
 
@KendallFrey I've intercepted your techniques
 
@rlemon that's only like 1.9 RPM
 
lemmy do some quick maths
were achievements added later?
I thought I had launched a rocket once.
 
11:56 PM
> I thought I had launched a rocket once.
noob
 
so I have 0 rockets and 687 hours
 
Electron or something like it should ship with the OS and only trusted signed apps should be allowed to run in it.
 
@rlemon dude i don't even know
 
lol
 
how do you just quit a factory
 
11:56 PM
Random electron apps are a bad idea.
 
basically once I get to the purple science I stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
hunting biters is boring
 
didn't that change?
 
maybe? been a while since I gave the game a good go
I played a bit last week, but that was only getting green science going
 
11:58 PM
yeah you don't need enemies for science anymore
 
interesting..
 
It's been 19 years since Columbine. 5 years since Newtown. The inaction in the wake of these tragedies has gotten us to 18 school shootings in the last 6 weeks. Kids are dying -- we can't tolerate politics as usual anymore.
 

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