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2:41 AM
Can someone remind me: what's the proper way to format error messages? Should I be using some combination of > and code formatting, or just code formatting? The reason I ask is because the message is often one line, but it's intended to be wrapped by the console. As an example, the error message formatting I used for this post
 
since it's asking about guesstimates specifically, would POB fit?
 
@JohnDvorak Possibly, at a guess... :) Anyway, the Q begins with 'Consider', so it's no-effort Sunday night homework anyway:(
 
3:38 AM
@Makyen Looks like there are some choices. Thanks for the link. This time I'll favorite it
 
 
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6:06 AM
that question is like a TARDIS
 
7:05 AM
 
Ron
7:33 AM
Good morning / evening.
 
8:05 AM
Morning \0
 
Morning
 
mornin
 
a kinda train, shorta, well kinda
 
As usual the Dutch don't play along
 
Do flowers take the developer survey of SO ?
 
8:16 AM
@kayess nope, only on G&L.se
 
8:39 AM
^probably hw
 
9:13 AM
@rene lol
 
how was that spam though? my cv request
 
@SurajRao I have no idea. Maybe someone flagged as rude/abusive for posting a PHP question?
Maybe mod flag to have that redflag cleared?
 
ok.. mod flagged. Do the spam flags become automatically marked helpful when deleted by 20k users? or did it actually receive that many flags
 
9:28 AM
@SurajRao one redflag is enough to get the content hidden when deleted, and that one flag will be marked helpful
 
10:20 AM
@TetsuyaYamamoto also needs reject edit
 
10:36 AM
@VadimKotov both closes, now onto the coffee machine !@#&
 
10:55 AM
Why cant this question be deleted? What is the rule? stackoverflow.com/questions/48378469/…
 
@mickmackusa need to be -3 for instadel by 20k, otherwise wait for 5 days until it is closed and not on hold
 
I downvoted as an under-researched, exact duplicate but answerer probably protected the question with a neutralizing upvote to preserve points, right?
 
Ron
I am going in a sort of a meltdown on LinkedIn ;)
Telling it like it is.
Spamming the recruiters.
 
@Ron well, truer words have never been written on LinkedIn for sure :P
 
Ron
@AnttiHaapala Haha, many thanks.
 
11:04 AM
though, one thing is, did you meet one of them in a mirror? or do you mean that one cannot meet oneself, or ...
 
Ron
That is left to interpretation.
But in all honestly I've met only two chums who actually know and continue to explore the language. The rest are simply snake-oil sellers.
 
@Ron gives 404
 
Ron
@kayess Privacy. I've deleted one of the posts. Best to continue playing the keep calm and continue to sell snake oil on LinkedIn.
 
Ron
11:27 AM
@kayess Here is the redacted version.
 
@Ron TY
 
Ron
There are times I think LinkedIn is nothing but a recruiters spam paradise.
 
its facebook .. for work
 
Ron
The selection process is so detached from reality imho.
They have this parametric decision process straight out of Academia and they wonder why they can't find anyone.
 
@Ron those selecting have no idea what they ask for and don't care. All that matters is hire me 10 developers and that they make 1000 jobseekers angry/sad n that process is not their problem.
 
Ron
11:34 AM
@rene True.
 
I had to reword that a bit as my initial version contained profanity
 
Ron
Perhaps they will read the post and adapt accordingly.
^ Wishful thinking detached from reality.
Apparently my LinkedIn rant attracted a professional cook who wants to connect with me.
 
Are you sure it is not a professional crook?
 
weird I got one connect request too.. but this one is a youtube content creator and a chef. Even though never been much active in Linkedin
 
Ron
12:14 PM
Haha, could be.
 
12:33 PM
@AnttiHaapala questions have to be closed before deletion even by 20k users
20k users as long as it's closed and -3 or fewer can vote to delete immediately. 10k users have to wait for 48hrs after closure.
 
12:48 PM
> This my requirement. So could you please send me any code for my requirement
@GrumpyCrouton already there
 
Did I use the CV generator properly there?
 
@GrumpyCrouton which reason did you use?
Custom text?
 
"t: too broad, u: unclear, m: no mcve, r: no repro"
 
I added some questions to the queue. Also, there are a bunch of closed, unanswered questions that won't Roomba that are 10k-eligible.
 
1:16 PM
@JonClements that question wasn't closed it was on hold ;)
is it really only 48 hours?
 
@AnttiHaapala Yes
 
Yup - and closed/on hold are pretty much the same thing given a wording change.
 
But I'm not sure if it is exactly 48 hours or some dayly schedule.
 
@JonClements Now as you mention it, I never really noticed a difference between them. When again are questions put on hold instead of being closed?
 
1:20 PM
@Olaf ^
 
1:36 PM
@AnttiHaapala Thanks, so there are indeed two difference grace periods. In retrospect, that might explain why I could not delv one question or two after two days.
 
All my 82 flags that I had pending all aged away :(.
Better go out and get more flags :)
 
Ron
This should not be reopened despite the pressure put on by a single high rep user. It's apples and oranges and should remain closed.
 
@Ron It's of little use and, anyway, too broad. The original 'Pascal' strings were POD, had a length byte at the start, data chars starting at offset [1] and a length limit of 255. The strings in Object Pascal, (Delphii), are dynamically-allocated, COW long strings with the length and refCount 'below' the pointer var that is used for access, data starting at offset [0].
OH - someone already commented that;(
 
Annother question :) - Do adged away flags count as helpful?
 
should I vote undelete so that it could be delved again ?:D
and also reopen so that we could cancel those reopen votes
 
1:51 PM
Anyway, I gifted it a delv. Too broad, unclear, asks for, likely, POB comparisons and I can't be bothered with working on someone else's homework feature matrix:(
 
@MartinJames if it gets opened then it can be hammered with multple duplicates.
 
Does stackoverflow.com/questions/48382339/… look like a typo or do I answer? Not entirely certain of its future use...
 
@SurajRao or a duplicate, I remember doing something like that myself with ng
so it must exist already
 
@dur not entirely sure dupe target applies.. angular 5 != angularjs
 
Ron
@MartinJames Works for me, nice insight though. I am actively trying to forget everything I knew in Delphi.
 
dur
2:03 PM
@SurajRao: Accepted answer refered the link, OP accepted that answer, so I guess it would match. I can't follow the changing tags anymore. Angular 5 is now Angular, Angular 1 is AngularJS, right? But makes it a difference in this case? I don't know.
 
Ron
I just saw a job ad from my country with visa sponsorship. I can't begin to describe just how laughable that is.
 
@Ron Well, the string type is now unicode, and ANSIString is the 'old' ASCII encoding, but that's too much effort for a bad question:)
 
Ron
@MartinJames True. And inner workings of a std::string in C++ should not be compared to inner workings that of a Delphi / Pascal type.
*imho
 
@Ron Now you've tempted fate. An 'Explain C++ and Pascal strings' will be along any minute now:(
 
Ron
braces for impact
I would like to draw your attention to job perks in that video screenshot.
"We don't work on weekends. Nor on holidays". Epic.
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2:23 PM
That is just a screen saver. Move the mouse, touch a key or actually go to work there and the truth shall be revealed.
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
 
Ron
@Nkosi I believe I managed to get blacklisted on all domestic jobs.
 
how does one pull something like that off.
 
Ron
Easy. You go to every interview, pass the interview and when they call you to sign the contract you don't sign the contract.
If you signed the contract you would instantly be seated on 12:30 dementia express train.
 
so what was the reason for not signing contract. curious
 
hi o/
 
2:34 PM
Now I am no psychologist but seems to me to be a fear of commitment (I am be facetious)
lol
@honk \o
 
@Ron fringe benefits e.g. beverage, fresh vitamins etc Vitamins! And a drink to wash it down! What a perk!
 
Ron
@Machavity Lol, indeed.
@Nkosi Fear of developing dementia. My previous employer had using namespace std; in header files. Need I say more?
 
nope. enough said. :)
 
@Ron It Worked ™
 
Ron
11/13 developers there haven't even heard about SO and honestly I don't think they even cared.
Apparently I was the only one who did not get the joke so I had to leave.
 
2:48 PM
Jokes are dangerous, hence the No Fun Allowed rule here!
 
Ron
They called it a framework, I thought it was a BBM.
 
Making a framework is fun. Using it isn't.
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Ron
Sad but true.
I did meet one guy that was real expert in C++. He gave me the pointers, literature and provided a direction. So it wasn't a complete waste of time.
 
@Ron Wouldn't that be better references than pointers in C++?
@rene Unless you wrote it yourself
 
@Olaf well, I'm only a mediocre dev. I can assure that I hate myself professionally.
 
@kayess yes
 
@rene ty, vote sent
 
Rather than clogging up the queue here, there's been a glut of bad questions over the past week. All are seeded if you want to CVQ them
 
3:18 PM
yaay answers are now editable inline. sweet. rev 2018.1.22.28504
 
4:17 PM
I have jitters! My application results come in on Wednesday =w=
 
Does your application take so long to compile?
 
@Compass Drink coffee :)
 
ColdFusion is still a thing? I had hoped it ceased to exist.
 
Blep
If I get in I will have to take a train to Philly every other week
For two days.
To learn business
 
4:28 PM
@Compass Look at it as a plus: New food options.
 
all the cheesey steaky
plops over the wait is killing me
 
5:00 PM
@rene I started out on that. Ben Forta books. CFML embeds. Makes PHP look good by comparison tho
 
@Machavity exactly
 
5:23 PM
@MEE Just FYI, migration requests tend to go better if they come from the OP. Otherwise, mods have some reluctance to do it
 
@gunr2171 FYI socvr.org appears to be down.
 
@Makyen thanks, I'll get on it
 
@ErikvonAsmuth You need a male and a female form … for more, ask your parents
 
@Olaf I could provide him some explanatory videos, but those probably won't be appreciated ;)
 
@ErikvonAsmuth I'm not sure they will be well accepted by the Puritans. Not sure I'm, interested either; forms having 6[i->e] … worse: Access …uargh.
 
6:31 PM
How should I approach questions that are yes-or-no questions?
I keep wanting to CV them
 
Ron
The mighty lrio is back in SO C++ realm.
 
@Justin It depends on what it is. IME, these are usually "Can I do X?" The OP almost always actually wants to know "How can I do X?" As far as close-voting, I usually find it reasonable to treat the question as if they really were asking "How can I do X?", which is often too broad, but is sometimes narrow enough to be a good question. I'll also usually leave a comment:
 
@Ron All hail......
 
Questions asking "Is there a way to do X?" / "Can I do X?" / "Is it possible to do X?" are rarely appropriate for the Stack Exchange format. The answer is usually "yes", but sometimes "no". Either way, the question is usually not very effective. In addition, what is usually meant is "How can I do X?", which will often, but not always, be too broad for Stack Overflow. Please [edit] your question to clarify what it is you want. Right now, this is a "yes"/"no" question.
Please see: [Why is “Is it possible to…” a poorly worded question?](//softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7273)
 
Ron
@Nkosi I hope his relapse becomes chronic and he continues to participate. He's was always approachable and in good faith.
 
6:40 PM
lol
 
@ErikvonAsmuth @honk @Olaf @Nkosi @E_net4 a question you closed is disputed on meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/362368/… please share your reasoning there.
 
@Makyen Thanks. Adding that as an auto-review-comment. That's very well-written
 
@Justin I hate those. 'Is it possible to do X?'....'Yes', [OK, so you would need to completely rewrite the server, OS and app, but it could be done]
 
Yeah. Some of them are "How do I do this?" Others show a solution and ask, "Can I do this?" -_- Try it and see.
 
@MartinJames Yeah, exactly.
 
6:46 PM
:x
 
Ron
@rene While not one of the voters that does seem too broad.
 
@Ron I beg to differ
 
Ron
Ok, what's your rationale on that one? Bare in mind I have 4 years of MS Access and VB development under the hood.
 
@Justin The latter ones are the ones I really don't understand, particularly when they are showing complete code ("will this work?"). Why didn't they just try it? It took more effort to write the SO question than it would have taken to just try it and see what happens.
 
@Ron Don't under estimate me, I started working with MS Access when you were not born ...
 
6:51 PM
@rene Oh... I'm so sorry:(
 
@Makyen At least in C++, it kind of makes sense, since compilers frequently allow code that's technically invalid. But then the question is basically, "Is this standards compliant?" and sometimes "Can you quote the part of the standard that shows that this is?"
 
Ron
@rene I am pushing 40 and you don't strike me as being much older. On second look it is a modal form issue gone wrong. The fluffy question is to blame.
 
@Ron asking how to do something is a valid question. It uses odd wording I give you that but it isn't broad.
 
Ron
@rene I agree.
 
@MartinJames I cope, thanks.
 
Ron
6:54 PM
I guess it can appear too broad to someone not willing to take a second look and go over the fluff.
 
@Ron I opened it to look and, though I don't have any VBA, it does sound like 'I want to open a modal form' to me.
 
If I don't read that question carefully and instead simply apply my mental heuristic, it appears to be too broad
 
@Ron that can be an explanation but I guess the close vote gang can chime in on that
 
Ron
True.
 
It came across as unclear and broad to me, hence my VTC
 
6:56 PM
@MartinJames that is true, but that is where the experts come in to help out, right? If they knew how it was called they wouldn't have asked the question.
 
while the eventual answer was modal I did not draw that conclusion when I first read it and moved on.
 
you're free to offer that as a comment on the meta post
 
Ron
And the title is really really misleading.
 
Maybe an edit is in order?
 
done (my comment that is)
 
7:01 PM
@rene Meh.. MS why did they call the show mechanism 'modal'? What's wrong with, say, 'exclusive'? Sometimes, MS seem to open a printed dictionary at random and throw a dart at the page:(
 
@MartinJames naming things is hard. And that is what it is called in the Win API and that pre-dates MS Access.
@Makyen that is a nice edit
 
@rene Sure - I'm not blaming it on Access specifically:)
 
@rene Similar to what @Ron and @Nkosi said, the question appeared slightly too broad to me when I looked over it. I now read it again more carefully (yeah, should have done this right away) and think it's okay-ish. I don't mind to admit that I might have make a mistake here, I therefore cast the last reopen vote.
 
well, that can be an meta answer
 
@rene If I wouldn't be that shy... let me see what I can do...
 
7:08 PM
Nobody is required to confess their sins to me. But if something is disputed on meta don't be afraid to take the heat on meta.
 
My only issue it that meta tends to spill over
 
@rene thanks for the heads up, will write up an answer soon (busy now). I stand by my request and that it should be closed, will explain why in the answer
 
I'll voice my opinion and see reason. I however am only in control of myself.
 
@rene Thanks. I wanted to clarify, but preserve the descriptive terms the user had, instead of changing to using "modal". Hopefully, that will enable it to be found by (some) people who are not aware of the correct term for a modal window/dialog/form/popup. A lot of searching is just knowing the correct/common term for something.
 
@Nkosi Ok, thanks
@ErikvonAsmuth awesome!
@Nkosi what do you mean by that?
 
Ron
7:12 PM
 
@rene When voicing opinion on meta there are times where opinions differ to the point where all of a sudden you receive revenge votes.
 
Ron
I honestly doubt they can find better caretakers then the existing ones. The site would be in shambles without this crew.
 
I based that on my experience lurking on meta.
 
7:38 PM
@Nkosi OK, fair enough
 
@rene Done
 
thanks
 
@rene Thank you for encouraging me!
 
@Ron although I do think we have some impact, let's not pretend that outside of this room no other users exist that do their part.
 
7:53 PM
if anyone is well versed in dynamic dns I'd like some help with getting a root domain (and subdomains) working with that. Ping me in testing room.
 
thanks
 
Ron
8:08 PM
@rene Agreed.
 
@ErikvonAsmuth Too broad is a messy close reason, as far as I go it should only be used if question is crystal clear but it would take 2 pages to answer it (very very few question are like that). Unclear is always the safe choice and it also as a nice close text (that basically says also to narrow it down). I have a campaign never vote too broad are you real sure that OP really want that 2 page answers?? always unclear :D
 
@PetterFriberg I have seen the error in my ways, and it's clear to me now that it's always unclear :)
 
Yeah nothing can be more clear then unclear :D
 
@PetterFriberg Thanks for clearing this up ;)
 
@honk To be honest I also never vote too broad, since sometimes (if interesting non obvious issue) I like questions like "How can I do this?" with no code attempt. I think they are the most useful questions for SO (while they easily could be closed with standard reason too broad)
 
@PetterFriberg I'm fine with that. But I also don't mind to cast a "too broad" if I see another of those "I have no idea, please teach me" questions...
 
@honk However unclear works perfect on those too ;)
Time to take a unclear stand
 
@PetterFriberg Yeah, I agree. Man, there are simply too many gray areas on SO ;) But as long as I live and learn, everything is OK...
 
actually it often works better, since the answer could be very short and someone could question your vote, you go it's unclear how much I need to explain... the response is "then vote unclear"
 
@PetterFriberg I see. Thanks for sharing your insights!
@PetterFriberg ^ see :)
 
8:43 PM
Perfect :D, important is to close useless stuff for future users or questions that needs an edit to be answerable (mcve)... in doubt skip (to much stuff anyway we can't close it all)
There are so many really bad questions that actually 1/2 bad questions is not worth spending energy to close (only worth to close if you hope OP will edit)
@honk have a look that's what is slipping through the net in your tag
+ another 517 questions with cv on them
 
@PetterFriberg Woah, that's new to me. Thanks!
 
@honk There are another 47 question at cv4 ;), but you will get tired quick trying to keep everything nice and clean... better to just go after the really big problems.
 
trying to keep everything nice - I know that's impossible. Usually, I don't actively look for something to close, but I still stumble on so many close-worthy questions...
@PetterFriberg By the way, how did you create that report?
 
9:00 PM
@honk I still remember the test I did with Tunaki, he closed the the whole first page in java as duplicate... just saying..
 
What really irks me is the available filters on the homepage and on the Questions page are different
just combine them for goodness sake
 
@honk You are free to use it whenever you like...
 
@PetterFriberg Amazing! I never took a look at SOBotics. I simply have too few time in my life ;) So, I can issue the same command to Queen? Or do I need some privileges in that room to do that?
 
it will auto add you since >3k, so yeah that command will work
 
@PetterFriberg Great! OK, now I have some new bookmarks ;)
 
9:12 PM
@honk it's a messy room with just a lot of work :D
 
@PetterFriberg Don't worry, I won't look into it too often :)
 
but I must say that deleting NAA is nice, 1 flag and poof, you really feel that you are making a difference keeping SO better for future users.
 
9:26 PM
@PetterFriberg I'm just admiring what you are doing there. But I have no idea what's going on ;) Looks impressive, though...
 
10:12 PM
OK, that's all for today. Cya! o/
 
 
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11:18 PM
@BrockAdams In the future, please provide a more detailed close-reason for your cv-pls requests. "off-topic" is insufficient, as it covers many different close reasons. On SO, "off-topic" includes all of: General computing (Super User, but really anything that "doesn't belong here"); belongs on Server Fault; is a Resource request; No MCVE (debugging question which doesn't fulfill requirements); Typo/Not Reproducible; Migration (to a few different, but not all, sites); and Other: custom reason.
 
11:43 PM
@Makyen Okay
 

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