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2:51 AM
Imagine a certain (retired) professor in Oxford banging his fist: "if only they had continued with Spark and Slowlaris" ;-)
COME BACK SPARC, MIPS – ALL IS FORGIVEN.
 
 
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4:00 AM
@DirkEddelbuettel I would be more inclined to answer this question if it appeared you were interested in the answer, not in trolling me
 
@hadley Dude, the high-falutin talk about "philosophy" is all over those pages, yet no reference. I ask you a question, you take nine hours to respond. In the meantime I google and find what I reported above which, well, does or does not qualify. You tell me.
If there actually were a geniune "philosophy" piece I would like to read it.
But I will simply let the record show that you refused to answer the simple 2018 variant of "where's the beef". Appears there is none. Or else ... show me.
 
 
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11:54 AM
@lionel Dirk has you muted so you'll never get an answer.
 
@Spacedman And given the tone of that post (==entirely antagonistic, not addressed the question I raised, wistfully ignoring tjhat clearly stated personal observation) I am not going to lift that mute.
As for @Hadley, his rude non-answer came actually fourteen hours after my question. Considering re-muting him, or even just throwing him out of this room. Tired of this crap.
But heck, at least now I know that the operational term for the tidyverse "philosophy" seems to the the following link. Still more of a "religion" or "cult" to me. Oh well.
The phrase "I know it when I see it" is a colloquial expression by which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters. The phrase was used in 1964 by United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart to describe his threshold test for obscenity in Jacobellis v. Ohio. In explaining why the material at issue in the case was not obscene under the Roth test, and therefore was protected speech that could not be censored, Stewart wrote: I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand...
 
12:18 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel give him eight hours to sleep and a couple either side... I assume Hadley does sleep occasionally...
and you might want to test the tidyverse against the "Is this a cult?" checklist: csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm
 
12:31 PM
@Spacedman It's still early in Illinois but I am on cup number two, and to me both 'nine' and the corrected 'fourteen' are larger than 'eight'. But, hey, religion and all. Who needs math?
 
@DirkEddelbuettel I did once jokingly compare Software Carpentry to a cult checklist and found a few matches. Their charismatic leader appreciated the humour.
 
@Spacedman Interesting point, and reasonable. Greg seems to have moved on to datacamp though. And I'll do one more workshop next week as it happens. Full of religious material of course.
 
Ooh maybe Datacamp is a cult, but I can't think who their charismatic leader is, or whether one exists, so it fails the cult detector. Plus, I seem to have escaped from it in some way.
 
12:51 PM
And in other news, "next year" still as always the time when we look once again at Julia:
My new package is out, making it easier to ahead of time compile Julia: https://medium.com/@sdanisch/compiling-julia-binaries-ddd6d4e0caf4
 
 
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2:00 PM
@hadley fwiw, I would be interested in such a document actually. That would help greatly with introducing different tidyverse elements to my students.
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and a happy New Year you all.
 
2:25 PM
On a sidenote: Since that ugly 1709 Creator Fall update of Windows, my RStudio responds with the speed of my granny on opium. Anyone else having issues with this? fwiw, github desktop is even worse.
 
 
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3:50 PM
I don't think downvoting the answer to oblivion will be very productive, but some upvotes on my comments (or additional comments) might help?
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suchaitYou can do it using:- str <- "jo\\xe3o madeira" cat(gsub("\"", "", str)) It'll just remove one backslash:- jo\xe3o madeira

Nm, the answerer understands and is editing.
 
@Gregor I'm not sure the answerer does understand.
 
Well, "understands" may be too kind, but at least listening a little bit?
 
4:32 PM
@Spacedman lol Dirk is one weirdly sensitive bully
 
Strangely enough I do have other priorities than responding to hostile questions about tidyverse philosophy.
So far you can read the tidyverse "manifesto" at cran.r-project.org/web/packages/tidyverse/vignettes/…
However, it takes time to precisely and accurately articulate what the tidyverse philosophy means. I do know it when I see it, and it takes time to articulate that internal intuition in a way that makes sense to other people
At the moment I'd say the tidyverse philosophy is mostly tidy data + tidy evaluation + function composition to combine pieces + relentless search for consistency
 
Maybe you should then either link to an existing (even if imperfect) document, or alter the text to not convey the impression that such a document exists.
 
I also have a presentation organised around the theme "Solve complex problems by combining simple pieces that have a consistent structure" — speakerdeck.com/hadley/expressing-yourself-with-r (just uploaded)
The philosophy exists; it just hasn't been written down yet
When I have a write up that I am happy with, I will link from the tidyverse homepage
 
4:57 PM
I see. Well, thanks for the answer. It was clearly deep enough to warrant the 24h wait for it.
 
 
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7:01 PM
@JorisMeys "Sorry", I don't update Windows. One of the reasons is what you describe above.
My longest non-update streak is 6 years.
Sure, I couldn't get python3 installed, but that's what linux is for.
On a related note, I gave Fedora a try as part of my "new job, new desktop" philosophy. Looks quite nice, hopefully not because the fancy laptop is UHD. :D
 
 
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8:38 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel Glad I could help!
 
8:50 PM
@hadley I'll start an incentive program and will pay you nickel for each answer that actually manages to address the question I had, rather than pivots to either plain avoidance and change of topic, or a personal attack. Sadly a footnote in the terms of service states that it is also need to be "timely", or else you would have earned your first nickel.
I still think there is plenty wrong that sad so-called verse. But it is hard for me to express that succintly when the target refuses to define itself. Oh well.
 
9:01 PM
I think it's called "prejudice"
 
 
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11:08 PM
If you're concerned about the content of my messages in this chat room, maybe you should consider a code of conduct?
 
Trolling 101.
Luckily I have the keys so if I find you too irritating I can just throw you out. But that is rude, and I am Canadian. So back to muting you it is.
 
11:25 PM
That isn't really productive at all.
I agree it would be nice to have a fully vetted design philosophy. However, expecting a 24 hour turnaround time probably isn't very realistic given @hadley's other duties and the likelihood that he is on vacation (new year's week) or returning to a pile of work.
Why don't you folks organize a panel at the next UseR conference that focuses on this? I think it would be of considerable interest to many folks.
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