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12:36 AM
To be honest, I'm more upset with the high-rep user who posted the low-quality answer than with the original poster.
 
 
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Tl;dr: a hemisphere has more area given its circumference than a circle does
 
 
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5:51 AM
^Spam or NAA?
 
@EJoshuaS NAA.
 
@EJoshuaS poster seems to be asking another question even though adding contact email.. NAA
 
@TetsuyaYamamoto Yeah, that's what I was thinking - it's a violation of site rules but doesn't appear to be malicious or any kind of overt product promotion.
 
6:41 AM
@SurajRao In such cases, I normally just reject-&-edit, or force an edit. In the past, I would do this prior to VtC. But, we've been reminded that if you've voted/flagged-to-close, then your edit doesn't put the question in the reopen queue. Thus, you can reject-&-edit, or force an edit, after the question is closed without worrying that you'll put it in the reopen queue.
 
oh TIL thanks @Makyen
 
 
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8:02 AM
Morning \o
Darn, time flies amazingly fast ... my daughter is now 6 weeks old \o/
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Soon I'm going to read her every night a new tale of SOCVR chronicles ...
 
8:38 AM
@kayess She's only little - try not to frighten her with tales of compasses hiding under beds and drop-renes.
 
@MartinJames she is going to find flowers scary
 
Renes don't drop. They pop out from the ground. They somehow manage to dig through linoleum as well.
 
@JohnDvorak ~~shudder~~ [hides under desk]
 
@JohnDvorak Rene's halloween costume
 
8:53 AM
hi o/
@SurajRao There's a pending edit left which doesn't improve the post regarding the resource request...
 
9:18 AM
@honk I think its taken care of ..
 
I wonder if we could bring this to meta: we bring new users (our own childs) to SO and we get extra CV's ... MLM style extra close votes in return : )
 
9:44 AM
@SurajRao Yes, this happened quite quickly, but I could no longer delete my comment...
 
10:05 AM
 
 
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11:24 AM
I don’t think it should stay open, but what should be the close reason for stackoverflow.com/q/48091444 ? It’s blatantly low quality, wrong use example for both: Ansible and Python, and likely not reproducible. Someone voted as “unclear”, but unfortunately (!) it’s clear to me.
 
Ron
11:38 AM
Got my shiny silver C++ badge bling. Small achievement.
Carry on.
 
@Ron Progress, no matter how small, is always something to be proud of.
 
Ron
@Nkosi Indeed. Thanks.
 
dur
@techraf I'm not a Python developer, so I can't see a reason to close this question. It seems to have a MCVE (maybe missing some more logs) and the question is clear and not too broad. There could be some reasons to downvote (wrong examples, not enough search effort, formatting issues, ...). If it is really not reproducible, you could try it as close reason.
 
11:54 AM
@dur That confirms my internal worries there might not be an objective reason to close this.
@dur Oh, there is one. It is in fact unclear, what the question is about.
 
12:37 PM
 
12:52 PM
Guys, quick question: Considering this tag wiki and the library's website, isn't that plagiarized? Should it be flagged?
 
@techraf "no mcve is also a valid reason. At least if you read the whole text for the reason; there is a mcve, but there seems to be other relevant information missing, the most obvious: does the file exist? The Python snippet does not have any error checking.
 
1:09 PM
@Olaf unclear fits perfect for me, let op clarify exactly what he needs with some additional info
 
@PetterFriberg I went with that, too. Just anticipated the actual question. I'm not even sure this is a programming problem.
 
1:29 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels The answer is knives. Er, wait...
 
Ron
@HovercraftFullOfEels I thought links to meta are not allowed in SO comments?
Or so I read in one of the SO comments earlier.
Not that it matters on that question.
 
There are no probs with links to meta in comments, as long they are useful in context of Q/A
 
Ron
I see.
 
1:44 PM
@Ron what would we link to if it wasn't allowed? Quora.com? no links at all? Or are you confused by idownvotedbecau.se?
 
Ron
@rene I am relaying a comment from a high rep user I saw in comments earlier. He was decidedly against it.
 
Okay, cool.
 
Ron
Quora sounds promising tho.
 
^Spam?
 
Ron
Looks like one to me.
 
1:51 PM
@Ron Well, without a link to a meta saying that links to meta are not allowed... ;-)
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@EJoshuaS There were two posts in succession by that user which promoted that website...
 
Ron
@robinCTS Haha, I was also thinking about it.
A local IT company has the best slogan ever: "We don't work on weekends. Nor on holidays."
 
^ Spammer continues to post the same website....
 
@Ron Just need to make every Friday (or every Monday) a "holiday" and then it would be perfect.
 
Should I mod-flag one of his other posts if the spam flag gets upheld on that one?
*when it gets upheld
 
1:58 PM
@EJoshuaS One of my spam flags was considered helpful, so the ban should be around the corner...
@EJoshuaS Now both of my flags
 
Ron
@robinCTS When on site all bets are off. I remember a time when we had to work from 7AM to 02 AM at one point. The money was raining down. Still not worth it.
 
When does the auto-ban kick in? Is two spam flags enough to get answer banned?
 
@Machavity # wit! But please don't ever give up your day job to be a joke writer :)
 
@Ron I was wondering why you hadn't applied / weren't still working there.
 
@EJoshuaS I have seen 3 posts by them in quick succession. All got deleted quickly and I guess all got spam flags. So maybe it has to be 3. Anyway, I didn't see another post, so maybe it's now bedtime for Gonzo.
 
2:04 PM
@Ron I've not heard of that restriction; do you have a meta link for that?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Ha, ha!
 
2:44 PM
sorry Natty reported before SD... I taught SD missed it
 
dur
@kayess OP edited the question. Is that enough to reopen the question? I'm not familiar with assembler to know if that is a MCVE.
 
@dur well probably, but there is no way that mov could touth flags
 
dur
@kayess However, OP seems to have two working answers in comments.
 
Ron
@HovercraftFullOfEels Unfortunately no.
 
3:01 PM
@dur It's a silly question, prolly troll. Push the flags, pop the register, mask off unwanted flags, done. Stupid 'one line' restriction.
 
dur
@MartinJames That's a reason to downvote, but AFAIK not for closing. However, it is already closed and downvoted. My question was, if the edit is enough to reopen. I can't say. BTW: it has already 2 reopen votes.
 
@Mogsdad I guess there was a conflict of two edits...
 
Likely the editor hit that warning "your edit must be more complete than the other", and simply did a copy-paste re-submission. Rejecting is the right thing.
 
@Mogsdad Jup. I thought the same...
 
3:16 PM
BTW, I'm in love with the FOX9000 "code edit" addition on beta in SOBotics! Nice job, @ProgramFox!
 
Ron
3:46 PM
@rene What would be the decent salary for a seniorish position in Belgium in your opinion? Bare in mind it's for an obscure language. Does 65K (gross) do justice?
Or play it safe and stick with the Bollywood plan?
 
Hi Aaron
 
OMG Chopt updated their destination menu
drools everywhere
 
@Ron I think I can live from that, so that doesn't sound too bad .... although I would love to see you in a movie ;)
 
@Compass And I thought dogs are drooling devices ;)
 
3:57 PM
It's this or more nandos chicken
 
dur
Could anybody tell me, if it is still a duplicate if the dupe question contains a link to the other question? See stackoverflow.com/questions/48098544/…
 
The TSA has a sense of humor. Unless you joke about bombs, that is. tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/…
 
I think I shall get a salad
 
@Ron what language do you work with?
I guess C++ from looking at your profile, so 65k gross sounds pretty good. On average, a senior C# dev with good negotiation can make 3k gross per month, plus car, meal vouchers, etc
Although it also highly depends on the area. For example, I can have a daily rate of 420 EUR in West-Flanders, and a daily rate of 600+ EUR in Brussels.
 
3k gross/mth - wowsers - that doesn't seem much... what's the tax rate on that?
(even 3k net/mth isn't that huge for a senior dev)
 
4:11 PM
so are we talking about like... $5000 a month?
 
@JonClements Belgium is kinda infamous for the high wage costs... I think you keep about 2200 net from that, but all kinds of small things matter for your net wage. Like are you single or married, how many kids, etc
 
including benefits?
 
It's a good wage by Belgian standards though
can't compare it to the US for example
We pay a lot of taxes but get a lot in return as well.
 
that's twice what I earned when I started, but I was dramatically underpaid when I started.
universal health care part of that?
 
Think the last full-time employed job I had I was taking home a little under £7k a month... had a company pension, gym membership and car allowance with that...
 
is "taking home" after taxes
or before
 
@Compass it's somewhere in there, but the employer pays more than your gross wage IIRC
 
also in the US a car allowance is a foreign concept
we'll get public transit allowance
 
If you don't spend too much on crap, you can have a comfortable life in Belgium with 1500 net per month (if you get a company car).
 
@Compass I wonder if that's because 1) fuel is relatively cheap and 2) the stereotypical american likes big non-company-esque like cars :p
 
4:15 PM
@JonClements a running joke here is, if you see an Audi or BMW on the highway in the morning, good chance it's a company car :p
 
most cities have miserable traffic in US
and your commute may suck too
people here can drive an hour each way to get to work
I used to commute an hour to school
without traffic it'd be 20 minutes.
one of the first job offers I received was in DC.
When I drove there, I got lost :|
parking was $14 for a few hours.
So instead I took the more challenging job in a suburban area closer to home and now I just putter down to work in 20 minutes traffic or no traffic.
 
Ron
@Stijn @rene Appreciate it.
 
Someone explain to me why that's a bad keyword
 
@Compass Don't you have a tool for a long path? ;)
 
4:22 PM
I DON'T GET IT =W=
Is this some sort of Windows joke?!
 
@Compass I'm not sure. You might want to ask on Charcoal HQ.
 
@Compass There it's limited to 260. Otherwise it gets offending ;)
 
@Compass that paths only could be 260 chars is definitely the best Windows Joke evar.
 
@rene 640 kB should be enough for everybody...
 
that too
that ^ can have close votes for too broad me thinks
 
4:49 PM
can I go unclear :D?
 
^ will all 5 answers being deleted as spam get the user auto-suspended?
 
for sure also probably nuked by mod..
 
@TylerH no - will get 'em answer blocked - but suspensions are always manual
 
@JonClements Gotcha
 
but is it spam... it seems related to question..
 
4:59 PM
@PetterFriberg it is failure to disclose affiliation
and also reposting of the exact same content to multiple answers
 
which is custom mod flag... I have hard time to raise spam flag...
 
failure to disclose affiliation is one of the reasons listed under the spam flag option
and posting the same content over and over again is another form of spam on the internet
moreso the action of spamming than the noun of s.p.a.m.
 
@TylerH Well - that's not 100% true... if a mod suspends an account and unwelcomes it from the site (deletion) - the Community user will re-apply the suspension to the account if someone tries to recreate it
 
baah for sure it should be deleted since also NAA, VLQ and duplicated answers... I'm will just refrain from raising spam flag...
 
@JonClements I see, as Ed just did perhaps
 
5:02 PM
@TylerH any way post and user nuked... so mods went with spam...
 
@Petter it doesn't look like they were posting that to be helpful to be fair...
 
Yeah, I'm just always to conservative with spam presuming good faith, I don't have all info that you have..
 
While it's true you can't see deleted posts of a user easily - I was just going by the fact it was a new user and the formatting of the post, the name of the blog and the smiley at the end :)
 
well I looked at the video... it seemed related.. and lots of user add duplicate answers... they are so proud of there solution or video.. also he did not seem to hide the affiliation to video (same user name)
 
Fair enough - I think it's good you err on the side of good faith.
 
5:11 PM
I think that the fact that the answers were nothing but a link to his video is very relevant - it's less problematic if they disclose the affiliation and provide other valuable information in the answer.
 
I 100% agree that it should be deleted... not sure however if red flag for me (hence user nuked etc). To me a simple custom mod flag (multiple NAA answer) would be enough.
 
The main things for me were a) the lack of disclosure b) the repeated posting of identical content in a short time frame c) the fact that the user's only posts were links to his content, which suggests that the sole purpose of the account was self-promotion and d) the fact that they were link-only (i.e. They were ONLY promoting his video)
 
I mean immagine a guy in good faith that does a video how to resolve a problem... he goes to SO, search for all related questions to his video, pass a link to his video hoping it will help others... Yeah sorry but you can't do this on SO read help on how to answer here.... (and we deleted it all)... but to tell that he is really spamming (unsolicited electronic messages) is a bit to much for me..
The lack of disclosure is easy to edit into post ("My video") but since NAA no use to edit..
 
10 CVs left, but I'm out for the weekend. Cya! \o
 
Weekend? It is Thursday!
 
5:20 PM
Cya Honk have fun!
 
@rene Höhöhö... it's called holiday :)
@PetterFriberg Thanks! Bye!
 
:(
Enjoy!
 
when you leave and come back to windows jokes screech
 
@rene I feel slightly sorry for that Jack... appears it's the good ol' meta effect from this post that did it...
 
@JonClements yeah, I just noticed
@JonClements Might offer dissociation from that post then?
 
5:33 PM
User needs to request it and they appear to have packed up and left... shrugs... in the grand scheme of things - sadly not worth pursuing...
 
Okay, fair enough
@JonClements do note they undeleted/deleted so they could respond to Patrice.
 
What happens to positively-scored rejected migrations? Do they disappear from our site eventually?
 
@EJoshuaS they remain locked and get roomba'd - have you got an example?
 
Also, a bunch of 10k-eligible useless questions by searching "[documentation] closed:yes answers:0"
 
oh wait... there's a rejected migration list somewhere...
 
okay - deleted that
 
Thx - normally I'd just downvote and let it Roomba as a useless question but rejected migrations apparently get locked
 
yup
I can never remember the rules for if/when the lock expires/roomba can apply to rejected migrations... they're all quite messy... sure it's in a metapost somewhere...
 
Heya!~
 
Thx, Jon. Here, have a piece of chicken.
 
5:56 PM
err... thanks - seems a bit random... :)
 
o/
 
@JonClements Nah... my puppy LOVES little bits of chicken as treats. But if you'd rather have Scooby snacks, that's fine.
 
Umm... are there chicken flavoured scooby snacks do you think? :p
 
user4639281
@PaulStenne you've worked with mongodb correct?
 
6:15 PM
No SQL
 
user4639281
@rene ?
 
@TinyGiant !
 
user4639281
@rene $
 
@TinyGiant %
 
user4639281
@rene #
 
6:20 PM
@TinyGiant *
 
user4639281
@rene @
 
/me waits in anticipation... what will the next char be? (Hoping for ^)
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad )
 
user4639281
(everyone goes off searching for the opening paren)
 
lol
 
6:21 PM
@TinyGiant ლ
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad :
 
6:37 PM
The rarest of all things: a rene precipitated train
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owo
 
6:58 PM
I'm confused by this comment stackoverflow.com/questions/1575141/…
Is he saying the OP can't read?
 
Yeah, that's weird. It definitely reads as he's blaming the OP for not asking a question that fits his answer.
Would setting the width like that actually solve the OP's problem?
 
7:22 PM
@Machavity no
 
@TylerH Del voted
 
user4639281
8:04 PM
@Machavity I doubt that that answer would solve any problem.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad dat question tho ("Is this a good idea?")
 
@TinyGiant Yeah... I edited that.
 
@TinyGiant Do keep in mind that the user is only like 10 years old
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad ahhh much better, see this is why I hate you.
 
As long as we're keeping it mutual!
 
user4639281
8:07 PM
@TylerH Could have some kind of reverse aging disease, how do you know?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels FYI, I've been incorporating When should I make edits to code? into comments directed at suggesters of bad code edits. Haven't worked out a satisfactory one-size-fits-all comment yet, but working on it.
 
@TinyGiant I looked at the picture
Just saying that, when it comes to young children, I tend to think we ought to afford them a bit more patience and kindness than we would afford an adult who ought to know better
But that is just my opinion
It might stink, just like my you-know-what :-)
 
user4639281
I suppose when you're the 736th minecraft nerd, you can't be more than 10 years old.
 
user4639281
Yeah, I click links, so what.
 
lol
 
8:11 PM
It's dangerous to assume too much from a user's picture. For instance, @TylerH looks happy, but since he participates here, it's clear that he is a bitter old soul.
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Ron
@Mogsdad Indeed. I look like a football hooligan yet I am a poetic soul.
 
user4639281
So obviously we need to implement an email filter on the sign up form that blocks all email addresses of minecraft nerds higher than say... the 200th (at least)
 
My profile picture is fully accurate though. I actually am a procedurally generated collection of squares and triangles.
 
Ron
Actually I look like an artistic cpu on blue background...
 
user4639281
8:15 PM
I didn't really want anyone to know this, but I'm actually a gold colored lion glyph on a black square.
 
@TinyGiant Hey, I don't argue that they belong here or anything
 
user4639281
waffles, right?
 
also I said like 10 years old... it's impossible for me to tell age exactly from a photo
 
@TinyGiant You're thinking too small. A Facebook filter to prevent people who look too young from signing up. Of course, rene never looks more than 1 year old for some reason
 
@Machavity he is perennial
 
user4639281
8:17 PM
@TylerH What nonsense is this? I pay you to be able to tell exact age from a photo. YOU LIED TO ME!!!
 
user4639281
Wait, I guess the jokes on you, because I'm broke. Ha!
 
@Machavity I've tried uploading my picture to gmail, and it always says: "I can't detect a face - are you sure people will recognise you"? I'm thinking - "no - that's precisely the point"... :p
 
user4639281
@TylerH Wow that question is in serious need of some clean up eh?
 
8:35 PM
I love people who ignore a glaringly bad (even dangerous) coding practice because "I was focused on answering the question"
 
@Ron let's hope your CPU is AMD architecture or it is now up to 30% slower!
 
Ron
8:47 PM
@TylerH I'm happy with my i7. x86 style.
 
user4639281
9:09 PM
@Ron Core i7-7700HQ Kaby Lake
 
user4639281
Love it
 
user4639281
@TylerH supposedly only if you're using a poorly cached database. Normal usage / gaming / etc should not be affected noticeably.
 
Ron
@TinyGiant I am still with 4790. Deals with multiple VMs and anything I throw at it, no problem.
 
9:25 PM
Umm... guys - is there something I've not noticed (something on meta) re: closing old documentation questions on meta as no longer reproducible etc...?
 
we don't do meta ... so if we do then that needs to stop
I do know there is a cleanup on [documentation] going but that should be on main.
 
@rene I think that's what h emeans
e.g. some guidance on meta explaining why people would be closing doc questions on main as 'no repro'
 
Okay - just having a look at the CV queue on meta... seems to be a few there @rene
 
@JonClements I don't know of any doc questions that would qualify as no repro... I haven't voted any as that.
I have voted the vast majority as off-site resource request, and some as opinion-based, with a handful as too broad
 
Umm... have voted to leave 'em all open for now: meta.stackoverflow.com/review/close/history - might have to raise that on meta what's supposed to happen with documentation stuff...
 
9:34 PM
@JonClements we don't touch it, but yes, no need to go closing all that. maybe lock?
 
Not going to go through and lock goodness knows how many posts... besides, there's only so many close votes and people only get to vote to close once
 
You better post on meta then.
 
@JonClements Keep in mind that 'documentation' is sometimes used as a flow-of-consciousness metatag. I HAVE cv'd some questions as no-repro, iirc... because they were code questions that ended up tagged with 'documentation', but were resolved like any other typo question.
... but again, I'm talking SO, not MSO.
 
Hi all! o/
 
Bah, I've just let Jon Ericson know... leave it up to him to do whatever...
 
9:44 PM
oooh not often you see a diamond in the review queue history :-D
@JonClements they get to vote once unless their close vote expires, then they get to do it again ;-)
Ahhh I see, this is Documentation as in SO Documentation
 
Ahhh.. also - you only get 24 close votes on MSO... forgot about that
 
well if you're still in the mood... the SO Main review queue could use some reviews... *wink wink nudge nudge*
 
Oh - what a shame... I'm all out of votes... otherwise, you know I'd want to :)
 
rats!
or should I say, dogs!
 
9:58 PM
haha
 
user4639281
@JonClements I know there was one that was bumped by community a while back that I voted to close as no repro, because it could no longer be reproduced, other than that no.
 
10:22 PM
Okay, so glass of wine poured, and for fits'n'giggles, let's see who has failed the "BUY CHEAP VIAGRA" review audits in triage today...
 
@JonClements wait, you mean that we shouldn't buy cheap viagra...?
 
Hate to get personal, but given you're an elephant, do you really need viagra... cos umm... well... yeah... awkard... "oh look everyone - Batman's just walked into the room!" ducks and runs
 
@JonClements hey! We're not dogs, just popping up randomly in asylums and in cardboard boxes on the street. We need other methods to create little elephants
 
I imagine it's difficult for a Stork to carry elephants... so yeah... I can get with that :)
 
got wings, me does
and the storks can barge out a whole squad if need be. Pah, just the thought of calling me fat
On a more serious note, as an Englishman you should be able to appreciate my latest purchase
 
10:36 PM
You're going for a gentlelephant look? :p
 
You got thinner over Christmas so yo needed something to keep your pants up? What did you eat/drink?
 
@rene beer, beer, beer, oliebollen, beer
@JonClements isn't it wonderful? I like the optical-migraine pattern
 
That is enough beer for sure
 
oh, and boluslikeur, we went hiking in Zeeland, and had to taste the local beverage
 
@rene I was thinking - that's only 4 beers... that's barely getting started for the evening... then I considered the fact a beer for an elephant is probably at 50litre keg...
 
10:39 PM
@JonClements and during the dark months you need dark ale
 
@JonClements probably, yes ;)
 
@rene when we all meet up, we should pour a few litres of absinth in the kegs... I've always wanted to see what a staggering elephant looks like... (as long as he doesn't fall and squash me...)
 
@JonClements why don't we visit the Ketel 1 distillery? At least that's fun
oi, you were out of votes, you sneaky dog
 
@Adriaan Too much cake.
 
11:38 PM
@techraf that one would've roomba'd
well, not technically, but a -1 vote would've sufficed for the 30 day one
oh, it actually already qualified for the 365 day roomba
 
@Adriaan duplicates?
I thought roomba does not touch any duplicates
 
@techraf stackoverflow.com/help/roomba only the 9 day roomba doesn't eat duplicates. The other two do, provided they adhere to the other criteria of course
I'm off to bed now. Night all
 
Nite! o/
 
user9169574
Hello everyone :D
 
user9169574
11:49 PM
Is it OK to ask about my question flags here?
 
user9169574
... as I don't have gained the privilege to vote to close questions yet.
 
Are you asking about your q that was flagged / closed or do you want to know what to flag?
 
user9169574
@BaummitAugen I didn't post any questions yet. I flagged some questions for closure as off-topic. Some of these flags are shown as pending for review.
 
@0xDEADBEEF They are not yet reviewed. Sometimes that takes a long time. They relevant queue is notoriously clogged.
 
Also not programming related. Basic Linux OS questions (list of 6)
 

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