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12:24 AM
cbg
 
@Cam_Aust cabbage-potato
 
@Simon Hi ya, good potato you?
@Simon Interesting new years resolution. Should it help in my limited history so far I share the "no down votes" thing.
Moderators and others seem to do a good job, and so far i have not seen cause to down vote an answer. Simple as that. But my use and participation is very light compared to you guys - hmmm gender biased language there .. people?
 
Very banana melon. It wouldn't be so bad if I hadn't been saying this for a few months.
42 votes in two years? 1,008 Votes Cast in 5 months (ie since I've had 15+ rep).
@Cam_Aust "not seen cause to down vote an answer." how about questions/answers not in English? They pop up every so often.
 
wow, you have been busy. All that since only 15 rep.
@Simon no have not come across any so far.
 
Here's a clue: visited 163 days, 163 consecutive
 
12:42 AM
@Simon pineapple, banana you are keen. Good to have such passion. Or is it the SE addiction affliction you have been bitten by? I am still sitting under 500 rep, though I participate in other SE sites as well.
 
Probably both.
It started out as a simple question and turned into a passion/hobby.
@The 200 rep was the boundary for me. Since then I've picked up momentum.
 
@Simon As the monk says - moderation in all things .... and I add, yes moderation in all things, including moderation - occasional excesses are a healthy part of life.
 
You don't have to ping me every time (not that I care really) see: sopython.com/pages/chatroom
 
Like so many, I find SE and SO most engaging, and the chat here, from my beginner days, excellent. I took time to learn the ropes, read up, with some guidance from here, to learn how to participate appropriately, which I note many others do not. OK thanks. Was wondering about that.
I am interested to see the review queues when I reach 500 rep.
That may be my equivalent of your 200 rep.
 
Oh yeah you want to see those.
 
12:49 AM
Still learning.
 
Not only do you get badges, get the chance to vote, but you also get first answers. Prime place for answering as well as sorting.
 
OK, thanks.
 
Editing heaven as well. Remember to guide new users as well though.
 
Ok, I do that now through comments. I like to take some time to encourage new comers, as one quickly forgets how new it can be, and take for granted ones acquired familiarity.
 
Yep. Voting is good but above all guide when you can, a little humor is good in those cases (helps get rid of "newcomers pressure").
 
12:55 AM
Experience and time on SE, and thinking mainly SO, the nuance judgements on what is on topic, what is an on topic question, what is appropriate information, eg don't clutter with thank you's is not at all obvious. As well as learning how comments, editing, formatting work, links, code brackets. Not everyone that comes here is a dedicated coder.
 
I tell people almost daily how to format code. BTW how close are you to the macos tag (that's your highest scoring one I believe)?
 
I am in the second category. Not primarily a coder, but do want to learn more, and do need to be familiar with the non GUI environment re running python packages to do some data analysis on projects and things like that.
 
Not keen on data analysis myself but still learning daily.
 
macos tag?
 
It looks like your top tag. IE the one with which you gained the highest rep
 
12:59 AM
are got it, did not note the name there on the left. About 26 to go. It will tick over in good time.
Ok, kettle calls, back in 10 mins.
 
Lucky you. Yep back in 5 myself.
 
cabbage
 
1:16 AM
@ReblochonMasque cbg
@JennaSloan nice icon design.
Caught my eye as you came in.
 
@Cam_Aust thanks, it's a picture of a chalk drawing
 
cool.
 
@JennaSloan You get around. I've seen you in a lot of rooms.
 
If yours, multi-talented I take it.
OK, usually just here though.
Astronomy groups, space exploration, Ask Different, Unix. Bit all over the place. Life and activities don't seem to fit in a neat little box. Which is probably a good thing!
Whoops misread. Hi Simon your back. Coffee is good
 
Clean teeth are even better.
 
1:25 AM
Oh yes, that is a good feeling.
Agreed.
I have a sort of help request, question, for those here with the right experiences. Comes off the issues met last night in Ask Different.
Had an answer posted to a Q&A. Linked to an external website, with a, supposed, Excel Macro download file as part of the "solution". I went to download it, to cautiously check it, but it did not download as it should to my download folder. ..
I grew suss, given poster had rep 1 and did not seem to be a fitting answer, so posted comment and moderator removed answer + new account. But noticing some anomalies since - may be. Wondering if someone with more experience could take a look at this site and download re possibly malevolent, and attempt to spread something nasty.
Web page is:. Download file 59.40 KB.
 
Good to know you brushed your teeth... Soon there will be pictures of breakfasts and cuddly cats in this room!
 
Be cautious I suggest.
 
@ReblochonMasque. XD
 
@ReblochonMasque Best I can offer re cuddly cats is some sun basking roos.
 
Rhubarb everyone. @Cam_Aust. Nice meeting you. See you around rhubarb. ; )
 
1:33 AM
rbrb @Simon
 
OK Simon, good to get acquainted. Cheers
 
I'll probably be here tomorrow as well. This time it really is rhubarb.
 
OK
@ReblochonMasque trying to find cute cat in code to post, but fail.
Any takers on the above download macro file?
 
DSM
2:12 AM
It's hard to say it's not malevolent, because there are lots of tricky ways you can hide nasty stuff, but on the surface after a quick scan it looks like a relatively boring xlsx file with many sheets giving the text of simple VBA macros.
 
 
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4:01 AM
@DSM OK, all you said re tricky is understood and noted. I am more assured, and a big thanks hugely for taking the time to give it a look. Very banana and melon.
If anything develops, re my laptop end, I can always come developments back. Seems like the download issue where in the file did not turn up in my download folder was a Firefox thing. Several convergent coincident errors looking bad.
rbrb for now.
 
 
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6:19 AM
cbg
 
7:00 AM
cbg
Celery job logs print 'sending due task' and dont print statements inside tasks defined,
and then after a large span of time, logs come up and tasks getting executed each minute, which has to be executed each hour('schedule': crontab(hour='*/1')).
Need Guidance and Help
 
@Simon Did you mean to ping me :P
CBG all
@thefourtheye Vanakam :)
 
7:21 AM
@The6thSense. I don't think I did no. :P
 
7:44 AM
cbg
 
7:55 AM
Re-cbg
 
The entropy on the site never fails to astound me. One day you'd have every single answer of yours voted on and accepted. The next day you could have 5 0 vote unaccepted answers. Phew.
 
8:16 AM
@The6thSense Vanakkam :-)
 
cbg
 
#HammeringIsACompetition
 
@cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ Or mark as duplicate
 
@vaultah Hey, don't FGITW with the hammer :D
 
FHITW
 
@Simon I can't, I don't have the python3.x badge :-(
 
9:15 AM
:(
 
actual heh
 
@vaultah Lol, did you upvote that question?
 
Nope
 
Wow, somebody did.
 
Don't look at me. I didn't do anything.
 
9:37 AM
8 mins ago, by cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48092215/why-doesnt-it-print-the-fibonacci-n‌​umber no mcve is an understatement
 
9:54 AM
What's delv-pls?
 
How can I define a `Type` or `NewType`Perforation, as returned here by a method, within the same class?
This raises a `NameError: name 'Perforation' is not defined`

class Perforation(Enum):
"""represents the state of a position in a `Mask`, `SOLID` or `PUNCHED`
"""
SOLID = 0
PUNCHED = 1

def toggle(self) -> Type[Perforation]:
"""returns PUNCHED if SOLID, SOLID if PUNCHED"""
return (Perforation.PUNCHED, Perforation.SOLID)[self.value]
 
anyone know why my django.VERSION is different than the version that got installed when i did pip install -U Django??
supposedly i pip installed Django 2.0.1 but when i do django.VERSION it says i'm on 1.11
 
@ReblochonMasque def toggle(self) -> 'Perforation':
 
Thanks a million @vaultah, that was it.
 
10:09 AM
You're welcome
 
cbg
@Naji python 2 vs 3? pip2 vs pip3?
try python_you_are_actually_using -m pip for upgrading to be sure
 
@AndrasDeak django can only be upgraded to 2.0.1 using pip3
 
but your problem is that it's 1.11, is it not?
 
upgrading was not the issue, but when i run my pthon shell, import django, then django.VERSION, it says i have 1.11
 
so what I just said
 
10:12 AM
but when i do pip3 install -U Django, it says "you are on current version 2.0.1
 
good luck
 
youre saying i need to open a python3 shell?
 
only if you want to use python 3 and its intalled modules
Whatever python you're using, use the corresponding pip to install. Simple as that.
 
aah i didn't know different commands opened different versions of python
i thought the older version was immediately overwritten
thank you!
 
no worries
 
10:20 AM
Cabbage
 
cbg
 
cbg Poke
 
11:19 AM
I've just learned that there's going to be a Slenderman movie, and now I'm irritated that it's written as Slender Man
 
I am using ` reader = csv.DictReader(con_file,delimiter=',',filednames=[a,b,c] `, but myfile is in csv format from second line only. I completely want to skip the first line
 
next(con_file) # skip one line
reader = csv.DictReader(con_file,delimiter=',',filednames=[a,b,c])
 
with open(self.contpath) as con_file :
  reader = csv.DictReader(con_file,delimiter=',',filednames=[a,b,c]
  next(reader, None) # skip
 
*fieldnames?
 
@vaultah Ohh correct. I was doing it after reading
 
11:26 AM
grumble
 
but i forgot i could do next before invoking dictreader
 
@vaultah thanks
 
np
 
@AndrasDeak it is a list fiieldnames*
 
12:22 PM
cbg
 
Thanks for the comment @AD.
 
0
Q: Understanding why my question was closed so I can ask better questions in the future

UnderpoweredNinjaI asked a question here: Traversing over dictionary using variable number of keys It was closed within two minutes by a user with the gold badge for closing duplicates. The question demonstrates prior research which I have done on this and shows my attempts at solving the problem. I believe the...

 
Thanks. Guess I have to address it.
Ah! AD beat me to it. I'll still post an answer though, since this guy feels wronged.
 
you probably should
and try not to be too arrogant :P
 
12:45 PM
> I think it will help me ask better questions in the future
That's how you disguise your rants folks
 
Is it just me or has that person not given a single reason why that isn't an acceptable dupe target?
 
@AndrasDeak Okay, I added my answer. Hopefully not too arrogant :p
 
Depends on the reference :P
@Rawing it says a lot if your original python problem has pseudocode but no code
 
Still a little surprised they went ahead and made a meta post about it.
 
12:55 PM
You gave them two choices and they weren't enthusiastic about trying to convince you
 
I've done it a couple of times before, and most of them usually back off because it's easier to make a new account and ask the same question again :D
 
That really isn't what you should be hoping for
 
If they do, I'll just close it again, and at that point they've lost the chance to make a case for themselves on meta
checkmate
 
As I said, that's not what you should strive for. The helpful thing is to convince OP (if you're right) or reopen the post (if they're right)
dupe closure is again not a contest, you don't win the game by keeping something hammered, and one can always make mistakes or just be plain wrong
 
Yes, yes, I know that's what I should be doing. Actually, that's usually what I do :)
 
1:04 PM
it's in our common interest to settle disputed hammerings in a way that everyone's happy
 
usually
sometimes, I don't respond, because the question is so badly asked that it isn't worth it
 
1:18 PM
I voted to close the question on meta! :D
 
@Reblochon Lol, poetic justice something?
 
it's not justice
 
Dunno about poesy, I just could not resist the irony! :D
 
Err, how do I strikethrough in chats?
 
---
 
1:22 PM
👍
That wall of removed comments looks weird :D
 
question
 
It looks like you guys planned a crime and then erased the evidence
 
answer
 
I have created a sqlite db
@poke lol
playing around
I found that I can do
cursor.execute("""SELECT id, name, age FROM users""")
rows = cursor.fetchall()
for row in rows:
    print('{0} : {1} - {2}'.format(row[0], row[1], row[2]))
However, when I'm doing that
 
@cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ We do have a sandbox room :)
 
1:32 PM
it is the same thingn at least for me it is the same thing
wait
 
cbg @AndyK
 
you're missing .fetchall()
 
@ReblochonMasque o\
 
(patiently waiting for the final sentence that contains a question mark)
 
I think I figured my question
 
1:33 PM
the implicit question was "why does this second version not give me the same", now closed as a typo :P
 
@AndrasDeak as you said I'm missing the fetchall
let me do the test
 
@AndrasDeak I’m still at the “unclear what is being asked” stage.
 
@poke rubber ducking, Andy's style. Soz. :)
 
@poke need more score for your badge
 
But I guess the FGITW solved it by doing a magic guess
@Andras I prefer
(still waiting for a result)
 
1:41 PM
testing, testing
 
let me reframe my question
 
"my friend found this code" ;)
 
@AndrasDeak actually it is really me this time and not my friend, @ruk_chn
lol
In [12]: cursor1 = conn.cursor()

In [14]: cursor1.execute("""
SELECT * FROM users
""")
Out[14]: <sqlite3.Cursor at 0x7f8f7f4c0260>

In [15]: raws = cursor1.fetchall()

In [16]: print(raws)
[(1, 'toto', 12), (2, 'tato', 13)]
As you can see, I'm using fetchall
 
rawr
 
In [17]: cursor1.execute("""
SELECT * FROM users
""")
Out[17]: <sqlite3.Cursor at 0x7f8f7f4c0260>

In [18]: rows = cursor1.execute("""
SELECT * FROM users
""")

In [19]: print(rows)
<sqlite3.Cursor object at 0x7f8f7f4c0260>
 
1:48 PM
no .fetchall() ^
 
Is there a question left…? I’m really confused.
 
However
In [20]: for row in rows:
   ....:     print(row)
   ....:
(1, 'toto', 12)
(2, 'tato', 13)
 
I don't actually know sql stuff but perhaps .fetchall() just consumes the lazy iterator?
 
When I do that, it seems that all the lines have been fetch to rows
 
I want to guess so that poke can't answer
 
1:50 PM
@AndyK Compare with open:
 
the question is why should I use fetchall when putting a variable looks enough
 
with open('somefile.txt') as f:
    rows = f.readlines()
    print(rows)

with open('somefile.ext') as f:
    for row in f:
        print(row)
Same thing.
 
@AndyK well do you need the whole thing at once in a list or just one at a time?
if you're just going to iterate over it, it's needless to fetch all
 
@AndrasDeak there are no real need per se now, just wondering why I should take one path instead of another
@AndrasDeak I'll probably look dumb by asking this question but has the 2 lines and therefore all the potential lines of the table, already all fetched in rows...?
 
nope
I mean, assuming that it works in a sane way, nope
it's probably like a generator
 
1:54 PM
A database cursor is just like a file handle.
 
@AndrasDeak so you mean that if I have a table with let's say 100 000 lines, not all the lines will be in rows (my second example) except if I mention fetchall
 
>>> x = (k**2 for k in range(10000000000000000))
>>> next(x)
0
>>> next(x)
1
>>> next(x)
4
 
Do you want all the data in-memory now? Fetch all.
Do you just want to consume one item after another? Then do that.
 
@AndyK yup
 
@AndrasDeak I got it
 
1:56 PM
(I feel super ignored)
 
@poke soz. ok
 
@poke your explanations reassured me that my impression of the behaviour is correct :P
 
*rolls eyes*
 
we Andreas-cognates just get along better
 
@AndrasDeak & @poke trying to answer everyone with 2 hands (need another 2)
: (
thank you very much for the explanation
 
2:01 PM
morning cabbage
 
2:12 PM
Someone unstarred my girlfriend comment.
I have an utter disdain for that person right now
 
I'm not surprised
 
That person can enjoy my unfiltered disdain
 
I'm sure they'll be crushed
 
I'm sure they also have no sense of humour
 
perhaps the room owners don't want the room to identify with your "sense of humour"
 
2:16 PM
"Well, mama told me that when I don't have something nice to say..."
 
@AndrasDeak sounds like a total rebuttal here ...
just kidding @cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ
 
I could respond, but that could get me kicked by the "intolerant room owner(s) with no sense of humour", so ;)
 
@cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ ha ha ha
 
2:31 PM
rbrb
 
@ReblochonMasque cya
 
3:13 PM
\o cbg
 
3:28 PM
Cabbage
@cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ I understand why you posted it, but it probably is a little too snarky.
 
Hi all,
anyone there who can help me, how to subtract exclude range/IP from DHCP pool range and create new DHCP Pool?
 
@john_cris Hi. What's that got to do with Python?
 
And what is a “DHCP pool”?
 
This is a protocol which automatically provide IP addresses to the requested client.
 
I know what DHCP is.
 
3:39 PM
DHCP pool is range of IP addresses. e.g: 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.100
 
So you are talking about an IP range…
 
What's the expected output if i have 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.100 to start with and I want to exclude 192.168.1.50?
 
yes. Expected output: new range will be like 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.49, 192.168.1.51 - 192.168.1.100
 
This seems like the old "how to turn [1,2,3,5,6,7] into "1-3,5-7"?" problem except with more dimensions
 
Or with just one dimension again if you’re using ipaddress
 
3:45 PM
so, all data I read from DHCP dump file in a text format but I tried to exclude range of IP address and create new ranges.
DHCP pool: 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.100, exclude range: 192.168.1.50 - 192.168.1.60 and 192.168.1.65 (single IP)
 
Perhaps with the additional twist that you can't store the entire sequence in memory since an IP range might have a trillion IPs
If the first three parts of the address are always the same then you don't have to worry about that I guess
 
one single DHCP server doesn't have that much IP's
 
I'd just store a list of included ranges and a list of excluded ranges.
 
I wonder what the actual problem is
 
Baking the two together into a single list is bound to be a PITA and also inefficient
 
3:49 PM
I did that. I can store all include and all exclude address but I can't subtract and create new ranges.
 
>>> include = {"192.168.1.1", "192.168.1.2"}
>>> exclude = {"192.168.1.1"}
>>> include - exclude
{'192.168.1.2'}
But I suspect that Rawing is trying to say that you don't need to subtract and create new ranges.
Rather than doing if ip in included_ranges - excluded_ranges:, just do if ip in included_ranges and ip not in excluded_ranges:. Or, not that exact syntax probably, since I suspect your include and exclude objects won't be simple containers of ip strings, but you get the idea
 
Thanks Kevin. But my data is in range. e.g: '192.168.1.1', '192.168.1.5'. so, the total ip is like 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3, 192.168.1.4, 192.168.1.5
 
DSM
Thursday cabbage for all.
 
so all you really need then is a function that can tell you whether a string like "192.168.1.3" falls between two strings like "192.168.1.1" and "192.168.1.5"
 
cbg
 
3:58 PM
may be
 
DSM
Has poke already recommended the ipaddress module? Oh, I see he has. ;-)
 
Which is quite a lot simpler than subtracting ranges or whatever
 
i've tried many ways by module "netaddr"
for line in f:
if 'iprange' in line:
count_line +=1 # Counting total number of line with "iprange"
field = line.split()

start_ip = field[7]
end_ip = field[8]

dhcp_range = IPSet(IPRange(start_ip, end_ip))
read and store all the DHCP ranges from dump file (txt format).
 
so perhaps now's the time to stop, read, and try suggestions made ;)
 
input: 2.10.4.1 - 2.10.4.254, exclude range/single IP: 2.10.4.250 - 2.10.4.254, 2.10.4.150.
expected output: 2.10.4.1 - 2.10.4.149, 2.10.4.151 - 2.10.4.249
 
4:44 PM
If that's the entire loop, then dhcp_range will get overwritten in every iteration except the last one
You need to add the ranges to some kind of collection
 
stackoverflow.com/q/48099019 too broad / recommendation
 
4:58 PM
No, I can get all the ranges from the text file and it's not overwritten.
 
Cool, glad to hear your problem is solved then
 
It's not solved yet.
 
Ah. Well, I'm going to lunch. When I come back, if there's a nice MCVE here, I'll take my best whack at it
 
What's for lunch Kevin?
 
5:06 PM
I'm staying indoors till this blizzard dies down, so my choices are... Cereal or Mac N Cheese
 
I would choose Mac N Cheese
but then again, I hear American's Kraft dinner is different from Canada's unless you are referring to home made/another brand
 
OK Kevin
Enjoy your lunch
 
john, there's other people in this chat, but I think the thing you should take away from Kevin's comment is, you need to provide us with a [MCVE]
 
jjj
MCVE (there I fixed this for you @MooingRawr )
 
#firstWorldProblems :D thanks tho
 
jjj
5:11 PM
:)
 
5:59 PM
recabbage
45
Q: MCVE shortcut link in chat

Code-ApprenticeMany of the shortcut links to help topics work in chat, including [ask], [answer], [main], and [meta]. This is a very useful feature. However, [mcve] does not work. Can we get the [mcve] shortcut in chat? While you are at it, enable the help/* links as well.

Support my initiative!
 
I think I just contradicted the Tim Peters. :) stackoverflow.com/questions/48100986/…
 
You mean the guy who wrote the Zen of Python?
 
The docs never say anything about the time complexity though
 
6:15 PM
@cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ and who invented Timsort, among other things
 
Oh... wonder why he isn't bigger rep wise. The guy is a genius.
 
because there's much more to life than stack overflow
 
Goes to show that rep is just an indicator of participation, nothing more.
 
the people designing languages don't have time to FGITW on SO :P
but I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion related to Marcus
 
6:19 PM
Not everyone with high rep FGITWs
 
hmm, most of that discussion was pir2
 
@cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ Yes. I wonder if Raymond Hettinger will see that question. He's a principal author of the C code for both set and dict.
 
Another 40k to go. Then I get my mug (hopefully). Till then, I'll continue listening to your passive aggressive chiding ;)
 
there's nothing passive about it
 
Well I've seen people being more tactless about it
 
6:42 PM
cabbages
 
who dat
 
who dat boy
who him is
 
yo idjaw
 
how goes it :)
 
Fine, fine, thanks :) How are you?
 
6:56 PM
doing great
oddly dealing with allergies
which makes no sense
 
cbg idjaw, long time no see, how was your holidays
 
perhaps you're allergic to something indoors? or the cold? :P
 
@Code-Apprentice take my upvote :P
 
holidays were great
crazy cold but good
you?
 
pretty good. dreading the 11 months of grind before the next holidays
 
7:27 PM
“I think somebody inside of Intel needs to really take a long hard look at their CPU’s, and actually admit that they have issues instead of writing PR blurbs that say that everything works as designed,” Torvalds writes.
 
this whole intel issue :\
 
“And that really means that all these mitigation patches should be written with ‘not all CPU’s are [carp]' in mind. Or is Intel basically saying ‘We are committed to selling you [tshi] forever and ever, and never fixing anything? Because if that’s the case, maybe we should start looking towards the ARM64 people more.”
 
haha I was wondering when the profanity was going to come
never disappoints
 
Erhm, don't know if it's appropriate to ask about it here, but I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction. I need to write an algorithm that calculates Steiner points in a simple graph without loops, but I just have no clue where to start.
 
I would start with a graph, and the definition of Steiner points, and trying to implement an algorithm to compute them. If that works and I understand it, I would try rewriting it to be recursive to fulfill the arbitrary restriction
 
7:41 PM
But before you did that, you'd need to invent apple pie. I'm pretty sure that's the saying.
 
s/fulfill/fulfil/
or is it "a simple graph without loops" i.e. an acyclic graph? :D
 
stackoverflow.com/q/48101973/400617 too broad / impossible / use the API
 
ugh....what do you folks do for mocking with pytest?
I've been looking at pytest-mock but.....it's not playing nice and I'm about to just go back to mock and call it a day
all the docs I'm reading keep referring to "mocker"
but I keep getting errors trying to use "mocker"....is there some magical update that isn't using "mocker" anymore? I'm losing my mind
ugh I think I found out how this is supposed to be used...yuck
nvm
 
There's the monkeypatch fixture. I haven't needed anything more complex than that like full mocking. Why not use the built-in mock library?
 
7:56 PM
pytest_mock actually does use mock, it just has a wrapper around it to provide a 'mocker' fixture
I was trying to see if I can utilize what pytest is providing
however. I think I'm going to just stick to the untouched mock that I like using
however, I did have to install a pytest_mock...soooo yeah screw this
sticking with good ol' mock
 
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