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12:02 AM
@MartinJames Hmm, I'm really surprised how fast they are. See this ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sm320f2812-ht.pdf it is a frequently used architecture, although not with that temp-range. Of course, the price is … challenging. But one would not use it for an everyday MP3-player anyway.
 
@FireAlarm '.au file' is that an Australian file? You have to invert all the bits for the northern hemisphere?
 
@MartinJames Sun audio format? Not sure, long time not seen.
 
@Olaf For me, just 'not seen'
 
@MartinJames You never worked on a Sun? No great loss compared to Linux/KDE he said and ran away
 
@Olaf Yes. Sparkstation 5. The spark needed gasoline pouring on it.
It looked pretty, but was slower than Ruby on an abacus.
The cheapo, generic 'Windows desktop MS-Office' boxes were, typically, 30 times faster at the same job.
 
12:11 AM
@MartinJames I'm not even sure which one I worked on. Was something from the late 80ies/early 90ies IIRC. We later used HP-PA RISC stations as X-terminals and connected to the Suns remotely. The monitors were just better. We most times only played X-Battle and that did not run on the HP, just on the Suns.
@MartinJames I luckily used my Atari-ST until late 90ies. I then bought my first PC and used Linux/KDE from the start (it was around the time when KDE1.0 was released - not a coincidence, but planned)
 
@Olaf The Sparcs had X but it was more like x. If I did the set host thingy to run a remote GUI, the top inch or so of the GUI would eventually appear and then the sparc would go out.
 
@MartinJames Isn't that: mirror the whole file and offset timestamps by 12h + 6 months or so?
 
@Olaf lol
 
@MartinJames It was not that bad at my time actually. The HPs just had colour-monitors, the Suns IIRC mostly B/W resp. greyscale. And the Suns were away from the main campus. For XBattle we needed colour, so it was clear. Thanks to X11, it was no problem.
 
@Olaf X-battle.. what kind of development environment was that, then? Good compiler? Easy-to-use make? :)
I bet it was a better fight than with 'Hey i have written a python webscrapper'
 
12:24 AM
 
@Olaf I suppose you had to occupy yourselves somehow while the builds were on. Build on a Sparcstation 5, and you could have a couple days off.
 
It's actually something I miss from the 90ies. We often had sessions with up to three teams of 2 players each. There was one instance of the program running and the players connected via X-terminals to the game. The HPs had - IIRC - 1280*1024 19" or so, wehich were really large in the mid 90ies.
@MartinJames Actually the only thing we built was the xbattle binary. And that was only once for every one of our clique. The program itself worked fine afterwards, unless someone happened to use the SUn it ran on for some research work or other irrelevant stuff.
I see this game more like a liquid-flow simulation than "troops". After all, that#s what it looks like more.
 
@Olaf Oh - the annoying irrelevant work stuff, always getting in the way:(
 
@MartinJames Yes, it was very annoying. Luckily there were multiple Suns in the pool and there were very rarely NUMA parallelprocessing projects.
 
@Olaf Well, I guess you could always turn the nice down for the intruding jobs.
 
12:34 AM
@MartinJames It would be a bad idea for a sysadmin to allow normal users to renice other users' processes. And asking a sysadmin would also have been a bad idea. I'm not sure they were that supportive (or they would have started to play it themselves using the whole pool)
 
 
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4:31 AM
\o
morning all
!!/tea
 
@SurajRao brews a cup of mint tea for @SurajRao
 
4:57 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis you might want to edit it.. The title says "For Closure" in bold.
 
5:58 AM
Just handed in my resignation at my company
 
6:16 AM
@SurajRao Really? Why - taking a different job?
@Nkosi Who upvoted that question? Terrible...
 
@EJoshuaS No clue.
...yeah I know rhetorical question :)
 
@EJoshuaS yeah... there is not much workwise currently here
moving to another company
 
I've been at my current place since July - it's been very busy. Lots of analytics stuff, plus some ML coming up.
 
cool... Feels stagnating currently hopefully it will be better in new place
 
Hopefully so
 
 
going through LQP queue.. got stackoverflow.com/a/47194591/4826457. looks like 'try this code' to me or am I wrong?
 
@SurajRao looks similar (not a copy of it !) to the code in the accepted answer. I think that is an answer
 
7:14 AM
@TetsuyaYamamoto that is spam meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/359036/…
 
7:45 AM
@IljaEverilä questions from same user, it seem like user targeting, which we absolutely need to avoid
 
@SurajRao Already nuked. I just noticed that meta post and use FIRE to nuke it.
 
@PetterFriberg They're both posted today, under the same tag, and in short time of eachother. Looks OK imo (also see meta.stackoverflow.com/a/358679/7296893)
 
@ErikvonAsmuth socvr.org/faq point 19
 
@PetterFriberg No user targeting involved. Going through the tag and both questions lacked a proper example that'd actually produce the exception.
The same user had actually produced a proper question as well.
 
@IljaEverilä Doesn't matter how you caught the questions. Posting "multiple successive moderation requests for posts of the same user" is against the room rules.
 
7:59 AM
@robinCTS Fair enough, though that particular rule seems a bit silly.
 
@IljaEverilä There has to be a cut off number of allowed requests referring to the same user to avoid targeting. It's simplest to set that to one. You can always stagger the requests in amongst others if you have arrived at them legitimately.
 
@IljaEverilä Yeah all rules are a bit silly, but you get idea (and I guess understand the general problem), anyway I believe in your good faith, just watch out next time.
 
@PetterFriberg Will do.
 
8:15 AM
@PetterFriberg Maybe you should add a quick comment here, since it does suggest it's allowed here)
 
are these answers different? stackoverflow.com/a/47196873/5292302, stackoverflow.com/a/45215887/5292302 does the fact that "compileOnSave": true is below relevant?
 
@PetterFriberg Seems 100% identical, he only moved the options around but they're set to the same thing
 
@ErikvonAsmuth meeh that SO/SE general rulez are different from different chat room ruelz is normal, not sure every chat room should comment on their specific rules. That SOCVR rule was made to avoid and repress user targeting. If you like to comment feel free to do so
 
@PetterFriberg "compileOnSave" is not relevant option here.. and it is in the original answer. (first property)
 
@PetterFriberg Yes, it's more that he also referred to SOCVR as a way to get others to help close these kinds of successive bad questions, but I'll add a comment myself
 
8:25 AM
@ErikvonAsmuth Your right a comment seems appropriate and thanks for reviewing answers I have mod flagged it for deletion also since order of values should not matter according to json.org
@Machavity You probably should check this answer to explain better that users can't not request cv for multiple questions in a row from same user. (see discussion above)
 
Ron
Happiness is a tree of std::unique_ptr s.
Excerpt from a C++ conference... Carry on please.
 
lol, seems like the conference was pretty boring :D
 
buh dum pum ching.....lol
he'll be here all week
 
Ron
This was from 2016. I am concerned that I actually like that presentation.
C++ has come a long way. I am sorry I didn't discover it earlier in my life.
 
8:54 AM
@PetterFriberg @Ron well, they had whopping 8 minutes delta-T between them :D
 
@VadimKotov spammers are getting sophisticated to use js snippet
 
last SD's report also had a spam comment. Since the spam in the answer itself is hidden in the revision, should we flag that comment?
 
@Adriaan you could but I dont see how it would matter since post gets nuked along with comment section anyway
 
@SurajRao it matters since after deletion the post itself is hidden in the revision history, but the comment is not, as I explained
So the comment is still directly visible to >10k, instead of hidden like the answer
 
oops sorry, meant to tag @robinCTS instead of Ron above
 
9:00 AM
@Adriaan ok.. true but there is no spam flag for comment...
 
@SurajRao meta.stackoverflow.com/a/353873/5211833 this suggests that nuking the post is sufficient
 
9:14 AM
@AnttiHaapala sure that indicates the good faith, but ruelz are rulez I just wanted the user to know about the problem
 
@IljaEverilä @PetterFriberg @ErikvonA @robin @Antti If you're interested, this issue was discussed in our May 2017 room meeting, in this conversation and continuing here. As you all know: user targeting is unacceptable. What constitutes user targeting is evaluated on a case by case basis. ROs are notified if a user posts more than 1 request about the same user within an undisclosed period of time.
@PetterFriberg Thank you for taking care of this.
 
@Makyen Thanks. Will check it out.
 
Should we reopen it? OP added his code, but it still looks Too broad stackoverflow.com/questions/47177554/…
 
too much code
 
9:27 AM
and improve my code... I will not click reopen on that, too general POB and broad on how to design an application.
 
@VadimKotov no
 
and also, the "is there a method to display fastly" - that's unclear as well.
 
Fastly - is that a new pokemon?
 
<?php echo $summon('fastly');?>
 
9:39 AM
Is this a dupe of this?
 
@PetterFriberg Somebody actually voted to reopen it
 
well everybody vote as they like, it still needs 4 others or a mod however
 
@angussidney I'm no sure. OP is asking how to prevent this, not what is it
 
@angussidney I don't think so, the question is how to remove the message. it seems a bit stupid or the answer is click "yes" or maybe you can configure something in editor to never show it
 
Ploppity Plop merry folks
 
9:43 AM
\o
 
Squirrels internal clock is off by one month
 
@kayess Actually by multiple years
But yeah mod12 you get 1
 
@PaulStenne yep
Also hiya \o
 
o/ kayess!
 
10:01 AM
@VadimKotov slow down ;) ... that's lot of stuff
 
@PetterFriberg yeah, sure, just noticed this pile of requests
 
lots of very relevant stuff though
 
10:13 AM
I don't get those close-votes on this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/47188918/… - Off-Topic might be, but To Broad is just wrong. It sends the wrong message to new SO members. Down-Votes accompanied by a explaining comment might be applicable (if it is not well-written or could be improved). How can a question be Too Broad when it is answerable in 20 lines?
 
@derM Usually OP should have some code/ideas showing his attempts to solve the problem. Otherwise it is Too Broad
 
@derM the idea is that the OP put in no effort whatsoever (that's a downvote reason, I know) and that this can be answered in a plethora of ways. Even though each way of answering is short, the amount of different ways makes the question itself broad.
@VadimKotov technically no effort is a downvote reason, as explained in the tooltip on hover-over over the downvote arrow, not a close vote one
 
@derM But it still think this can be an edge case
@Adriaan you're right, thanks
 
@derM besides, "I created a circle" needs the code he wrote to create that circle. So it'd definitely be off-topic as having no MCVE. In the end the reason of closure is not that problematic, as long as the question is closed. I can live with TB in this case
 
I agree that the OP has not shown any effort. I would agree on down-voting it. But indeed - as long as staying in the technology (QML) - there are only 2 sane solutions. Of course you could write shaders or other fancy stuff, but if you come with that - every question could be solved in thousands of ways.
The MVCE is only necessary, if the code would add value. It is especially required in debugging questions. This is none such question. There is no value in knowing, whether he used an image to create that circle, a Rectangle with round corners, a Canvas and drawn the circle that way. It would not add any value, and should have been removed if there would be clutter like that.
 
10:20 AM
My opinion is that answering questions as bad as that one is more detrimental to the site than giving a wrong close reason. The OP doesn't learn how they should ask questions here and we keep fighting the impounding shirtstorm.
 
My opinion is, that misleading reasons are worse. SO tries to be helpful, and giving wrong reasons to close questions is not helpful to understand the reason. Using misleading reasons and not giving helpful comments is the reason, why META is overflowing with useless questions to understand the true reason.
 
@derM Just to explain the reasoning of too broad (even if in this case I would have preferred unclear). The reasoning is "ok I see you need to do this, but you give us no idea if you even understand how to use gt, so to answer you correctly we need to start from basic of gt", unclear reasoning is "ok, what is the exact problem you have?". In the end people have judge the question as not useful and probably it have multiple close reasons, OP should try to improve it some.
 
@derM Accurate close reasons are often not 'nice'. You have to learn to lie effectively when moderating on SO.
 
Which does not ban you from providing a helpful comment.
 
I often struggle to differentiate questions without code between too broad (since they didn't use code I can't answer the question) and no MCVE (incomplete because of lack of code). But I think I would've gone too broad here too.
 
10:31 AM
The use on SO (whether we like or not) are Too broad/Unclear, you give us no idea exactly what is your problem (we don't even understand if you know to program in this language), hence I answer with Reapter (but do you even have a clue what it is?). While MCVE ok you have some code but please give complete minimal example and or include stacktrace
@ErikvonAsmuth Conclusion on that type of question I would prefer too broad or even more unclear rather then mcve
@derM My advice to you is to edit the question, make a nice title, explain what he needs hence make your answer useful for others (narrow down the problem as you like)
 
I don't know of any requirement for every question to include code. Oftentimes people struggle to produce code, so what they post is either misleading (making the question too broad, as now the scope is to debug that code) or just irrelevant. Usually the result is answers that try to barely fix that code to work as expected, but not providing a good solution to the original problem.
@PetterFriberg I will try. But I won't produce code for that question, as it would not be helpful in any way.
 
@derM I personally actually don't like code attempts in question where there is a general problem, but I think the question should make clear the level op has, just as an example in the related question a title like "How can I use repeater to..." would have made a huge difference
^^ just an example I know nothing about that subject
 
Is this off topic? stackoverflow.com/q/40073211/6375113 Feels like it
 
@derM Like "I created a circle using Repeater, how can I "... it checked angalog clock example <<- needs link (else unclear which)
@Bugs meeh maybe customer support, but I will skip and move on to worse stuff, but I have no domain knowledge actually to understand if unclear or too broad
 
There's a new answer on it which is link only but I can't work out what I should do. Flag as VLQ or close the question
 
10:41 AM
:D That example is useless, as it just renders pngs. But I agree, knowing the level of the op is helpful. On the other hand the answer should also help future readers, so it should not be too relevant. You can easily pick the level you want to start of, and when you then realize in a comment, that it is way to far above the OPs level, require him to create a new question, to avoid having too broad one.
Nevermind, I will try and improve the question. Especially that horrible title.
 
 
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12:47 PM
A new tag just got created: [tag:validatepattern], proposed excerpt in the queue:
The ValidatePattern attribute specifies a regex pattern for possible values for a cmdlet parameter argument. This attribute can be used by Windows PowerShell functions. I think it's too specific for SO and adds little.
 
@Erik doesn't look remarkably useful as a tag, no...
 
The user creating it just posted a question also tagged (that one already exists several years) and probably thought this one was relevant too if that one was
 
I'm not an expert, but I've removed the [tag:validate-*] from that Q, as powershell really should be enough given the explanation in the Q itself
 
Ron
I have flagged this comment as rude. No way to treat a beginner like that imho. Especially when OP used unrelated tags. What floats in one language doesn't float in another.
@JonClements What do you think? And I don't care about the upvotes there.
Err apparently someone swiftly cleaned it all up.
 
1:06 PM
@Ron strange how things happen like that :)
 
Ron
1:18 PM
@JonClements Beneficial too.
@MartinJames Skipped breakfast?
 
@Adriaan It is disclosed indirectly because the user profile clearly specifies that it's the company's support account.
The affiliation I mean
 
1:45 PM
stackoverflow.com/users/5188516/abdul-waheed?tab=answers was flagged for a specific plagiarised host, and Guttenberg found 2 more but ran out of quote.
Can the community help me find more? All you need to do is flag the posts you think are plagiarised with an explanation and the source material where it came from.
Remember that answers posted closely together to the same question usually don't qualify, especially when they echo the MCVE in the question or otherwise reasonably obvious.
 
@PetterFriberg Good point. Edited the Meta to note that
 
Is this close enough of plagiarisim to the code in step #5?
 
2:00 PM
@gunr2171 Looks like copy/paste from the middle
 
there are some slight modifications though
commenting out some method calls, change of variable use
but the overall structure is the same
oh wait, no. it's the same code as the OP
which is also from that website
nevermind
 
if it makes you feel better I almost flagged one until I realized I was about to flag it based on a scraper site
 
3:34 PM
 
3:56 PM
Can some of you check their progress on the Illuminator badge against this query (mine is about 10 off). I ask because of this bug but I want some more testcases
 
@rene query shows 412, profile shows 303
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis that is way off. It looks indeed something is broken.
 
@rene 83 profile, 105 query
 
^ concerning my latest cv-pls, it turns out it was a typo...
 
How else can I get access to the outside world if not through ZE AIR DUCKS.
 
4:10 PM
@rene query = 12; profile = 10
 
@robinCTS thanks
 
@rene no problemo
 
I haven't even started my work day to day and I'm out of votes...
 
4:30 PM
I may have cucmbered a bit, but I got hardly any rep this week:(
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Wow. 6 answers to a debugging question with no code.
 
@Makyen They finally did, but the question is a duplicate multiple times over...
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Given the problem, it's nearly certain to have many duplicates (in most languages, all of which are basically the same, as it's a logic issue, not necessarily a language-specific code issue).
 
It's okay
I hardly get any rep any week
Comfortably cruising along at 3600 because my one strongest language is Jabba and all the unit testing questions are silly or dupes =w=
 
4:46 PM
@rene Query 160 profile 150
 
something is really off
 
MY STOMACH OWO
i just realized I wasn't that hungry!
 
@Compass You expect us to swallow that?
 
lol
 
builds up momentum for food
 
4:52 PM
@Makyen Yes, I would have to dv/cv a simple string manipulation in any popular language, or Haskell.
 
Ron
@MartinJames Blasphemy! Academia, quickly, cover your ears.
 
lucky number 5, mark the date and time. 55,555. lol
3
like an infomercial
call now
lol
right, got that out of my system. carry on
 
@Nkosi Should have seen that coming and done a serial downvote. The script would have reversed it on one go and you would have misssed 55,555
 
lol
had my fingers crossed hoping that would not happen. lol.
aaand its gone. like an eclipse.
 
@Nkosi IT WASN'T ME!
 
5:07 PM
guilty conscience? lol
I aint even mad at ya.
just kidding.
 
There are a bunch of garbage questions eligible for 10k deletion, and a few in the close queue
A few more garbage questions in the queue, too
 
@EJoshuaS ok heading there now
is this for a burn?
 
I wish I could vote to delete on Stack Overflow :( - I just got delete vote rights on Lit.SE, though.
It's in Beta so you get 10k privileges at 2k.
My voting patterns are vastly different on that site than they are here, though - I mostly upvote good content, not all that much garbage to VTC or VTD there yet
 
@EJoshuaS 'I mostly upvote good content' - that's possible? :)
 
@EJoshuaS used up most of my del votes. only a few could not delete because of linked duplicates.
 
5:36 PM
It says a lot when all it takes is one positive comment on one of your answers to make your day. Amidst all the rage one encounters on a regular basis when all you are trying to do is help.
 
Yes
 
Sad, but true:( I remember upvoting a question once..
3
Just to help remember, I just upvoted another one!
 
sometimes the votes don't even matter.
@MartinJames Was it worth it or was that just a pity vote because your could. lol
 
@Nkosi It was interesting and relevant to software development: stackoverflow.com/q/47207384/758133
 
wow so many comments in so little time.
 
5:43 PM
 
aaaannd we're back. lol
 
1 message moved from SOCVR Sanitarium
Misclick. Sorry about that.
 
6:01 PM
Self-driving bus involved in accident on its first day. It's not production software if it doesn't crash.
 
how else would we know that it was production. lol
right, off to band. see you lot on the flip side. o/
 
stuffs Smokey back in closet
 
lol
the most important thing is that it tried
thats pretty much it for the compliments though
sounds broad and opinionated
 
7:25 PM
@LW001 I guess you already have seen, but yeah POB (Primary opinion based), closed and deleted.
 
ok
 
7:40 PM
@Machavity I've left 6 questions up and deleted the remaining. Those seem salvagable, take another look at those, try to edit, make something out of it and then lemme know. — Bhargav Rao ♦ 23 mins ago
 
7:59 PM
@MartinJames "Yes, they are too early in the morning (10:00)." - Today's students are whimps. We could party `til 3:00 and be at school at 8:00h!
 
(Some of those dupes might arguably benefit from being re-duped to e.g. this question, but that's a different matter.)
 
@IlmariKaronen It might be a good answer, but the question is really bad. How about migrating the answer to a good dupe instead?
 
@Olaf It's self-answered. What do you think it's missing?
 
@IlmariKaronen How does the fact it is self-answered change the criteria for the question? Please provide a meta.
 
Question that doesn't appear to be answered in the FAQ: If a user under 2k rep comes requesting an immediate edit to remove PII (to mitigate the risk prior to mod redaction), would that be an acceptable request in this room? Is linking SOCVR from a meta post for that purpose acceptable? It seems to fall within the broad moderation focus, but is not explicitly covered, so I'm seeking clarification prior to posting.
 
8:08 PM
@Olaf Officially, it shouldn't. In practice, some people seem to think that a question needs to "show effort" in order to be good. A good self-answer clearly proves that the asked did spend effort on the question. If that's not why you think the question is bad, I'd be curious to know why, then.
 
@IlmariKaronen I stongly disagree. Any question must be answerable by other users, not just the asker. That's simply a matter of fairness.
 
@Olaf ...and that one's not? The cause of the problem is obvious from the code. What more do you want, a snippet?
 
@TemporalWolf We need RO decision on that one, I'm pinging one @rene
 
(I could totally turn that into a snippet, if I could find a suitable dummy Ajax endpoint.)
 
@IlmariKaronen I like the answer it seems useful, so voting to undelete, I don't see it doing internet worse
 
8:13 PM
@TemporalWolf Acceptable or not, I'm not sure that's really a good idea. That would be just drawing a roomful of extra attention to the PII. If a mod flag doesn't do it, maybe try contacting SE support?
 
I really dislike the metaphor style in answers :( but I'll vote undelete
but are you sure this isn't duplicated in JS?
seems quite popular
 
@IlmariKaronen mods will fixed it, but the request seems while mod is slacking hence quick, I don't think there will be many requests, we can edit it directly (hence not accept edits that is not correct). cc @TemporalWolf
 
@IlmariKaronen I don't disagree, but it's kind of a catch 22. The concern is that mod flags can take up to a week to process, so while it necessary for redaction, it's not a quick process. As a user with >2k rep, I can unilaterally hide it in a revision, so it's connecting that capability with users <2k rep.
 
Conclusion for less then 2k don't edit and request approval but ask a >2k to edit directly would be my solution, but to approve that we need @rene or other RO
I for sure if someone passed a request to please edit post to remove password would do it
 
That's my line of thought... so we'll see what the RO says.
 
8:21 PM
That duplicate now looks appropriate though....
I don't know if I should've voted...
Just merge the answer into that post.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis you can mod flag it, I don't really care answer to me seems nice an educational among all the crap I think it can stay
 
Does everyone agree that they are duplicates, though?
I'll flag, but my JS knowledge is lacking
 
I don't have enough JS knowledge to judge, if it was up to me I would say yes
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I'd say they're kind of looking at the issue from different perspectives. If anything, I feel this would be a better dupe target.
 
8:46 PM
BTW, FWIW, it seems like that formerly deleted Q&A pair was created based on this answer, presumably in response to this comment. Curiously, though, the author apparently never actually got around to marking that original question as a dupe of their "canonical" version as suggested in the comment.
 
@LW001 unclear to me I can't understand what he is trying to do
 
well he wants to let a user select a file, check whether it exists and close the frame if thats the case from what i get. That's 2 points too many
 
baah when you select a file it closes..., anyway time to watch some TV cya
 
10:01 PM
@TemporalWolf in general I would say: make as little noise as possible and have a mod redact the revision. I see merit if someone < 2K runs into this and wants to do an edit quickly but google probably already has it so I'm not sure how effective we would be. I don't think it hurts but I asked the other RO's so maybe they bring something that I didn't cover. /cc @PetterFriberg
 
Hi all! o/
 
\o
not sure what kind of wave I did in the 1st revision ...
 
Could be an apple, which kinda fits the tree. =D
 
@BaummitAugen :p
 
10:20 PM
The whole thing disgusts me
 
@BaummitAugen: queeny needs to chill
... and so do I
 
Classifying comments is hard. Even google doesn't get it right. XD
At least the answers are going south.
 
10:38 PM
^ One more.
 
10:49 PM
Who TH migrated that to opendata?
Oh, it's from there. Still sinfuzzling.
sinfuzzling = sinful and puzzling
 
@BaummitAugen I'm wondering how that became
 
@AndrasDeak Migration.
 
that was my suspicion but why?
 
None of the original tags exist on SO.
 
or was it migrated here and then closed?
 
11:00 PM
Yup.
 
aaaaah "migration rejected from", thanks
 
Np. :)
 
11:23 PM
good night
 
Night! o/
 
11:36 PM
o/
 
@FireAlarm miniconda? Is that a Japanese compact car?
 
@MartinJames A de-bugger … That's someone who goes into houses and hunts cucumberachas, flies and lawyers, right?
 
11:51 PM
Do I belong to this generation? How I can be more clear without giving away the answer?
 
@Olaf Yup - and gasses cats that have got into a/c ducts.
 

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