Have you thought about making a water cooling system for your CPU, then using the other end of the cooling system to grill seafood/meat/veges when doing prolonged intensive calculations?
most important of all is to make a video of it and put the video on youtube for everyone to see ...
If I get 2 of those cards with 4 Samsung EVOs each. That's potentially 25 GB/s read 14 GB/s write. The catch will be that I'll need to move my video card down to the 3rd slot to give the two SSD cards 16 lanes each. (my mobo can only do 16x/16x/8x)
The Samsung 960 Pros have even more bandwidth. But not worth the price premium.
@Mikhail Yes and no. Certainly use of solid-state storage and RAID is much more widespread than it used to be. But, if you wanted it badly enough, you could certainly put together a system using solid-state storage and RAID well over a decade ago. From a viewpoint of fundamentals, all of this is pretty similar to (for one example) the Extended Core Storage and Large Core Memory-Extended, used in Control Data mainframes by the late 1960's.
@Mikhail Storage costs have dropped (and speeds risen) pretty dependably for decades. I haven't tried to draw a graph that includes SSDs, but my immediate guess is that they probably fit pretty well with the long-term trend line. So, while things continue to change, I'm not particularly certain there's a great deal of acceleration to the curve.
@Mikhail You're missing the point. They need to double in speed every N months simply to maintain the long-term trend. The exact value of N is open to some argument, but most arguments put it around 18 +/- 6.
@Mikhail So bandwidth has quadrupled in 5 years. That's clearly at the slow end of the curve. If N was 24, it should quadruple in 4 years (and if N = 18, it would quadruple in 3 years).
@JerryCoffin SSDs are indeed cheap. I've picked up 4 x 500GB SSDs over the past few months. 1 NVMe to boot from on my Haswell box. 1 SATA M.2 for my laptop. And 2 x 2.5's as sandbox boot drives.
@JerryCoffin On the topic of SSDs getting exponentially faster. This leads to an interesting trade-off in terms of the next person who might attempt to break the Pi record.
We're are the point now where CPU throughput is so high (despite all the inefficiencies that I bitch about) that you'd need disk bandwidth on the order of 10's of GB/s to not bottleneck on it. That's almost impossible to achieve with high capacity HDs. But at the same time, getting up to 200 TB of SSD storage on to (at most) a 100-ish lanes of PCIe is also tall order. (putting aside the longevity)
It seems like there might be something to gain from using SSDs as cache. Though, from my calculations with using ram is cache, the performance curve vs. quantity of ram isn't particularly good until you have almost enough ram to fit the entire thing in ram.
@Mikhail Actually, I take back the statement about nothing to gain until you reach 200 TB. Even though you can only utilize 1TB of cache, you can still use any additional fast memory in place of the slow storage that makes up the 200 TB. So if you have 100 TB of SSDs, you can make half of the slow storage fast. But this is precisely the linearity that make a pretty bad performance curve once you factor in the price of the fast-but-small storage.
IOW, having say 32 GB of PCIe SSDs isn't really going to help you much against a 200TB dataset.
Well if its really the FFT following the y'old butterfly model you can do an entire layer in RAM, which certainly better than streaming that layer from the disk...
@Mikhail Each layer is a pass over the disk until the sub-FFT fits into cache itself.
In the case where the cache is much smaller than the data, that's many layers if you follow the "standard" radix 2 algorithm.
So for the 200 TB with 1 TB of ram case, you do a radix 256 layer on the first pass. Then the subsequent sub-FFTs are all less than 1TB. So you can do them in a second pass.
A radix 256 layer is by no means trivial. And while you can do higher, other factors start coming into play.
Well, I don't know how you wrote your code but I can imagine "fast" propagation steps that can be entirely performed in ram, and "slow" steps that are streamed. Having more "fast" steps is "faster" than instead doing "slow" streaming steps. With more ram you can get a few more "fast" steps...
@Mikhail It's more or less the same thing. In that picture above, you have a 16-point dataset. Let's say the 16 points starts off on disk and your memory is empty. And the goal is to perform the FFT and write it back to disk.
If you can only hold 4 points in memory at once, then you can do the entire FFT by reading exactly 32 points and writing exactly 32 points. (2 read-write passes over the 16-point dataset)
You can do it in slightly fewer than 32 read+writes if you keep some of the outputs of the 1st pass and reuse it on the 2nd pass. But asymptotically (for really large caches and even larger datasets), this optimization is negligible.
So I'm going to be in D.C. next weekend. What's there to do for fun besides visit Arlington National Cemetery, the Vietnam War Memorial, and the Holocaust Museum?
> I'd be too obvious if the just put a green ogre in [this swamp], so they changed him into a half-naked norn with an angry expression and called him "Mossman" because moss is green.
@DiegoPereira interesting speculation on the origins of the Mossman
The Boost Format documentation says:
One of its goal is to provide a replacement for printf, that means
format can parse a format-string designed for printf, apply it to the
given arguments, and produce the same result as printf would have.
When I compare the output of boost:format and ...
> data(): points at the first element of an allocated copy of the array whose first element is pointed at by str.data() size(): str.size() capacity(): a value at least as large as size()
@LucDanton My understanding is that it says that basic_string(basic_string&& str) has the same effect as basic_string(const basic_string&). You mean the problem is in that str might change which the standard forgot to mention?
How is this question not downvoted into oblivion? I don't understand SO. /cc@FélixGagnon-Grenier
I think it has the signs of a hot network question and people want get an answer in hoping for the jackpot that gets them 10k upvotes over a year or so.
And me sharing it here made it even more likely. I wonder if people use twitter for manipulating the system.
I remember being really impressed with Amazon back in the early 2000s. The concept of a rating system really helped me to quickly find the best C++ books (Accelerated C++, Meyers, etc..). Also their recommendations used to be really on the spot. (Today they just give you dozens of recommendations that you have to filter out yourself.)
exactly, for some that means a full fledged IDE with code completion and powerfull refactoring tools, for other's that's a simple text entry with some shortcuts for pasting out common boilerplate and low latency text input
@milleniumbug no it's not. I've had success with feedback from that room so I thought I'd post in there as well. But I do see that I shouldn't of posted in two places.
@StackedCrooked I wish people would be less formal about suits. I think suits really look cool but more than often it sounds the only good looking suits you can buy are the one made by designers.
Otherwise it looks like you bought a suits because you had to go to a wedding and funeral on the same day.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix The real shortcoming of suits is that neck ties reduce the flow of oxygen to the brain, slowly (or sometimes not so slowly) turning people who wear them into drooling idiots.
@ScarletAmaranth Their integrated shit is exactly that - shit. Only good for running Windows 7 Aero. And even that doesn't exist anymore because Microsoft is a douche.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Obviously, you could just buy a suit and not wear a tie. I don't know of any name for such a thing. The closest thing that's normally designed for tie-optional wear would be a blazer (but, unlike a suit, a blazer is sold alone, so trousers don't match precisely either).
That might be right. I don't remember when I bought my suit if the tie was optional or not. From my memory the only thing that wasn't optional was the pants.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix The tie is normally sold separately, but AFAIK, the people who pay attention to such things would frown most deeply on wearing a suit without the tie, at least in general. I doubt they'd really approve, but it is fairly common at the end of a long day of meetings (or whatever), especially if the senior person present does it (first). In this case, it's a reasonable signal of reduced formality.
If, however, you were to (for example) go out to dinner afterwards, you should all put the ties back on and appear in public "decently attired"... :-)
@ratchetfreak Intel could build better GPUs if they really cared. I suspect this is more about business. If Intel could get AMD to concentrate primarily on GPUs, so they'd be a threat to nVidia, and not to Intel that would obviously be a big win for Intel.
@JerryCoffin But why now? Ryzen / Threadripper are very successful after half a decade of nothing of value - AMD is not going to switch their focus at this point. It just seems completely arbitrary.
@ScarletAmaranth Do you mean "why" from Intel's side, or from AMD's side? Intel would do it to distract AMD, specifically because AMD is competitive. AMD would do it because it lets them sell a lot of chips in a way that they don't have a lot of direct price competition, so they can have a decent margin on them.
I think they tried to penetrate the mobile market multiple times. And failed repeatedly. Despite the manufacturing advantage that Intel had (has had) for so long, it still can't overcome the fact that x86 is a terrible architecture in terms of power efficiency.
@ScarletAmaranth Depends on how you define the market. Yes, what nVidia sells are basically GPUs--but they're (increasingly) being used for lots of high-end computational loads, not just graphics.
@ScarletAmaranth Zen a bit overhyped. In retrospect, it was "just enough" to make AMD relevant again. Anything less and AMD might as well file for bankruptcy.
they priced it well too, I think it's plenty fine - not sure about Threadripper, I find the 2 disabled units EXTREMELY weird - for structural stability o_O - how can they afford to waste so much room
@ScarletAmaranth It's the same socket package as Epyc. Threadripper wasn't really on AMD's long-term roadmap. It was literally slapped together during the engineer's "free time".
Here's the thing. Having 4 separate dies means that AMD can bin them separately and make sure they all work before putting them together on an Epyc chip. So why would AMD intentionally use real dies (even if non-functional)?
One theory is that AMD has plenty of non-functional dies sitting around to use. The other theory is that one of the 4 dies got damaged during the integration process. So all they need to do is disable the die on the opposite diagonal and sell it as Threadripper instead of Epyc.
It's one of the areas where AMD is turning Intel's market segmentation against them.
Since Coffee Lake was already on the roadmap long ago, Intel can't change it last minute to respond to AMD. So we need to wait until the next cycle before Intel can deliver any real competitive response.
@Mysticial Let's face it: everybody has lots of non-functional die around. I think it' s a fair guess that AMD is getting less than 50% yield on that die.
@ScarletAmaranth It also depends on what you define as a "working" chip. Each die has 8 cores. The Ryzen 3's have 4 cores. So could still sell the chip with up to 4 non-working cores (under other restrictions like the CCX's need to be balanced.)
@Mysticial AMD's using 189 square mm die. I can't imagine them actually telling us their yields, but I'd be flabbergasted if they got even close to 90% yield at that die size.
@ScarletAmaranth Around 40-50% is fairly typical for a mature line running a mature process. With a cutting edge process, you'd often be happy with half that.
@Mysticial Well, yeah--that would certainly make 90% a lot more believable.
@ScarletAmaranth Let's try to put it in perspective though. The last I heard, it costs around $4500-5000 to produce a finished 300 mm wafer. That has 70650 square mm of surface area. If you're producing 100 square mm die, you can fit around 700 on a wafer, so your production cost is ~5000/700 = ~$7.14/die. If you have 50% yield, you get an effective cost of $14.28/die. Probably double that to cover testing, packaging, etc., and you have a cost of ~$28/CPU.
@LucDanton Actually, dicing is a necessary part of chip production. :-)
@Puppy Yeah--you spend a billion designing a CPU, and a several billion building a fab, then you do your best to build as many as humanly possible before it's all obsolete.
@LucDanton Depends. Traditionally, dicing is done with a tiny saw, which pretty much always does straight lines. You can use a laser instead though, in which case circles, ovals, etc., are all possible (though it's obviously harder to fit those together to fill an area).
@ScarletAmaranth Kind of reminds me of the old line about "Why does every enterprise that uses Oracle as their database have to have a professional DBA?" (answer: because by the time they pay Oracle's license fees, they can't afford two!)
It's tempting, but I'm leaning away from it atm. 1. Too expensive. 2. Too hard to find in stock. 3. Thermals are insane. Reliability of sustained 300W+ power draw is currently unknown. 4. Ram is too expensive atm.* (> $2000 for a decent 128GB kit)
*This matters because if I get just the CPU, I'd be displacing a 7900X. Given that I never bother selling my stuff and knowing myself, I'm not gonna let a 7900X sit homeless. Which means that I'll need a mobo/ram + other parts to give it a home.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I too have had the displeasure of using some Oracle stuff at times. I guess they honestly do have some good points, but I've yet to see a situation in which they seemed to meet my needs well at all. Then again, my immediate reaction is that I probably avoid the kinds of jobs where it would be a reasonable choice.
It was in 2008 or 2009, may be things changed but I'm pretty sure nothing changed. I don't remember what's the tool name but it's used to make UI for the DB. It's probably called Form something. We had those strange portable IDE hard drives... We installed this tool to the wrong Drive... guess what. Uninstalling/Installing isn't enough to make it work as it didn't clean up windows registry. The easiest way to reinstall it was to reinstall windows along.
I remember we were in class and waited 3+ hours to install the first time..
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I generally think of that as "the Xilinx effect". Xilinx ISE was much the same way--any change larger than a truly trivial patch, and you were best off re-installing the OS.
@ScarletAmaranth From what I've heard, Vivado is much less problematic (in this regard).
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Go for it. It's painful in some ways, but quite rewarding as well. Biggest pain is getting used to the idea that even though VHDL/Verilog look (and in some ways even act) a lot like programming languages, using them effectively is quite different.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix You can (and typically do) use Verilog or VHDL to define entire circuits, so when you write something like a = b | c; it's going to synthesize some or gates, with input's named b and c, and output named a (number of or gates depending on the width of a, b and c).
@JerryCoffin yes, FPGA sounds really cool but it certainly has limitation on current so you could probably make an H-Bridge but couldn't drive a motor with it because of current limit.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Oh, yeah--you definitely don't wan to drive a motor directly with its output unless it's a really tiny motor (e.g., some MEMS thing).
MCU are pretty limited with PWM, those I have can only generate 2 signal at the same time. If you need to control 5 servo motors things can get complicated
I recently discovered that Arduino seems to use the same timer for serial communication and delay. I thought I could stream stepping position to my motors using serial but doing so mess with the delay that control the speed at which I step my motors.
@nwp all I'm saying is FPGAs aren't yet the big black box that can replace anything and leave only a few input/output get to be wired to actual devices.
Some years ago people dreamed of, for example, having an excel table be backed by an FPGA that can express the fields and functions referencing fields directly in hardware. I don't think anything like that made it past theoretical considerations.
@nwp There's a reason for that--with an FPGA you're designing hardware for a specific problem. In the case of something like a spreadsheet, it rarely even makes sense to go to the trouble of generated compiled machine code, not to mention hardware. For an FPGA to make sense, you need a problem that stays fixed for at least a fairly substantial period of time.
@Justin Performance. The idea is that an FPGA that is able to express fields being recalculated continuously and in parallel is faster than a CPU. And that modifications to the fields just updates the FPGA in real time.
Of course you still have to put the data on the screen somehow, and if everything is updated continuously and you don't know what changes that will probably not work out well.
I would be seriously concerned if the speed of execution of an excel spreadsheet is so slow that one would want to speed it up by running it on an FPGA.
@nwp Although I suppose it might be possible to do this, practicality seems limited at best. Much more common would be to accelerate something like indexing data from the web for a search engine, or training some sort of neural network.
@fredoverflow nice pair videos. Thing is, and perhaps It's just been to shitty a day for me to think about it, why is the end state worth going for? I feel like you start with an interface with methods being implemented, got to another way of doing that... but I don't see you explaining why one is better than the other.
> The Metropolitan Police said it "carried out a thorough investigation following [Ms Hunt's] allegations" and "will always provide support to anyone who reports a serious sexual offence".
I guess then that people who report non-serious sexual offences, whatever those are, don't get support?