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12:05 AM
@AndrewMyers Yes, it's a duplicate.
@AndrewMyers The original question is basically if(!a()){b()}. the new question is if(!a()){if(!b()){c()}}, which is a clear logical extension (& every answer I read was could be arbitrarily extended). If it's not a duplicate, where do we draw the line? What about the next question: if(!a()){if(!b()){if(!c()){d()}}} or the next if(!a()){if(!b()){if(!c()){if(!d()){e()}}}}, etc. IMO, we draw the line at the first one, assuming extending the sequence is obvious. In this case it is.
 
I think it's fine.
If it isn't, it's up to OP to explain why not.
 
12:47 AM
Someone wishes that a bad question be reopened that has already been asked, and adds no value to the site, nor the answers given before it was closed as a typo.
 
@Fred-ii- found a possible duplicate for this
 
@SamuelLiew darn it, I already voted to close, but I upvoted
someone's trying to propose an edit to a question (that I rejected) I feel they only want others to hopefully see his comment/answers wishing to reopen (that) bad question (with no effort, just coding blindly) I mentioned earlier. That edit along with the question and the answers all add no value to the site. This is obvious for me. Someone has no rep in a certain tag and most likely wants to get rep for it.
 
Anyone kind enough to edit/re-upload the image into this question? stackoverflow.com/q/19778620 (I can't access imageshack for some reason)
 
1:03 AM
@SamuelLiew that's most likely because the image is a 404. I got back the site's main root page
 
bummer
 
@SamuelLiew am also wondering what to do about it also, flagged for moderation that the image is no longer accessible and that nobody visiting the question/answers will know what the answers are about. I'm kind of on the fence with this one.
 
@Fred-ii- possible to retract that flag now? (don't bother mods about content we can fix ourselves)
 
@SamuelLiew retract what flag?
I didn't flag it, I said I was wondering ;-)
I guess the word "flagged" should have been without the "ged" ;-) lol my bad.
 
@Fred-ii- np. I misread that too - it looks like a statement that you had already performed the action rather than a question
 
1:18 AM
@SamuelLiew yeah, that should have read more like: "I am also wondering what to do about it also, flag for moderation?" lol followed by the reason following it.
 
1:46 AM
too many errors to be enumerated
not a fan of low quality answers neither or being ignored by valuable comments I left and suggested they do
 
2:24 AM
@Fred-ii-, @SamuelLiew: Unless certain you have the right to re-publish the work, we should not copy content (code, images, text, etc.) from an external site onto Stack Exchange. Doing so republishes the content under the CC BY-SA 3.0 license. By default, the only person that has the right to do so is the copyright holder. Here's two meta questions (about code, but same issues apply for anything): 1, 2.
In general, all we can do is find an archive and point to it. In this instance, it appears Samuel added new content, as opposed to copying the original, which works if it fits the post (appears to) and you have the copyright (assumed yes).
 
 
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4:06 AM
BTW - if anyone has spare close votes for (or close votes for questions with zero score and no answers) it would definitely be helpful - still a lot of bad questions there to clean up.
 
4:34 AM
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5:32 AM
Morning all :) quick question, is this (stackoverflow.com/q/13094513/6049581) valid? it seems 1) broad, and 2) off topic. It's quite old though...
 
yeah too broad
 
Awesome, will flag as such. Thanks :)
 
5:56 AM
Should I flag stackoverflow.com/a/45452087/4826457 as plagiarism?
 
@suraj It's obviously copied verbatim, is this meta post enough to explain the case: When is using an other poster's content plagiarism?
 
@suraj I'd say no. They did link to the Q page which contains the A from which they copied, which is close enough such that it at least attempts to comply with CC BY-SA 3.0 (imperfectly, but the link is a major part of the requirements) & isn't completely plagiarism. I'd probably edit to link directly to the answer and make the fact that the code was copied explicit. E.g "You can try simplejson using the following code which I found in this answer:".
 
6:19 AM
Morning o/
 
o/
 
\o
 
6:55 AM
Morning \o
 
@sudo not sure if that is a valid close reason :P
\o
 
@sudo: what is the point of bullying a 1-point user? I think that there are some obvious but important issues to discuss when the Android Studio projects are moved from disk C: to disk D:. I don't have a Windows installation of Android Studio readily available, therefore I can only extrapolate from macOS setup.

Another question: is it against the policy to fix the tags for this question?
 
7:15 AM
@AlexCohn against what policy ? Also editing questions into shape is a priority
 
@kayess I would amend that: but don't polish turds
 
@DragandDrop FYI: There's a nice user script which will create cv-pls requests for you form the question page.
 
@AlexCohn goodie
 
@DragandDrop CUDA support is related to programming, isn't it? POB though.
Actually... programmers shouldn't need to know that. They should feature-detect.
 
7:29 AM
Meh no @Nathan at new mod list. we should enter strike! we opt to have recounting of votes! SOCVR worldwide strike!
 
I don't know never saw a question asking if you have to change X hardware to match Y instalation requirement.
 
@JarrodRoberson The question stackoverflow.com/questions/45451758/… is legitimate; it may draw opninon-based answers, though.
 
@suraj 2B
@AlexCohn hence we close these as POB
 
@suraj, its not even a code review. Could be a cross site duplicate
 
7:32 AM
> Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise.
 
@JarrodRoberson e.g. your comment is opinion-based, IMHO
 
@DragandDrop OP is asking if anything is wrong in a working piece of code
 
@JohnDvorak: in this specific case, the ideal answer will describe pros and cons of reflection in such scenario.
 
@AlexCohn all of them? sounds like too broad
 
7:51 AM
Morning.
 
user177800
@AlexCohn that is exactly why it should be closed, it is not a legitimate question if it has nothing but opinion based answers
 
user177800
What part of the close reason is not clear?
*Many good questions generate some degree of opinion based on expert experience, but answers to this question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise.*
 
I've already quoted that...
 
8:07 AM
@JohnDvorak: 'all of them' as applied to the specific scenario is not 'too broad', but more than just one word.

@JarrodRoberson: not all answers there are opinion-based; IMO https://stackoverflow.com/a/45453024/192373 successfully avoids this trap
 
@AlexCohn from the close reason: "tend to be". One answer does not an objective question make.
 
@AlexCohn and yet this answer proved the reason it should be closed. As does the other one which now has a comment with; I'd argue that one should only deal with performance details if the performance of the original solution is not good enough. which is an opinion in itself. The point of the closure is to stop such answers from appearing. I'd go POB or too broad.
 
@JarrodRoberson Which fulfils the SOCVR charter according to the FAQ, so it's fine.
"cv-pls is for posts that:
are really bad (low quality magnets)
are a bad example used to justify other crap
have recent activity on the question (Edits, VLQ/NAA answer)
don't have enough users in that tag to close the post in time"
"Mostly" is a bit of an exaggeration.
 
@J.Steen I wonder if they don't check code. In which case comparing to text it may be right
 
But it lacks a clear error statement or indication that the OP has even debugged their code.
@Bugs True.
 
8:29 AM
ah
 
@kayess it was already caught by Smokey.. no point in reporting'
 
Easy to miss though, when the report gets deleted after the post is deleted...
Smokey should handle that and tell you it was reported anyway
 
@suraj hence I wrote 'ah'
 
@kayess ah
 
@suraj ah
 
8:40 AM
@Henders ah
 
@Henders ah
 
@kayess ah
 
@JohnDvorak ah
 
@kayess ah
 
@Bugs ah
 
8:49 AM
Name change, @JanDvorak?
 
aye
 
@Henders Mr. Trainwrek-r
 
That's me :)
 
Ahhhh!!!
 
Eh.
 
8:55 AM
 
9:05 AM
can an RO del my last cv request? Meta will probably look at that question
 
The meta effect is already in, well, effect.
 
^ thats a troll answer
 
@suraj is there a post about it ?
 
9:23 AM
@Bugs btw, where can I find list of abbreviations or jargon that is suitable for this room? I forgot what's NATO is, again..
 
@VadimKotov New Answer To Old questions
I'm not sure if there is actually a definitive list somewhere though
 
@VadimKotov NATO is when @BhargavRao sends in his army of tanks and helicopters to help fight against the carp we receive : P
 
@kayess carp? we dont receive fish..
 
xD
 
@suraj unless we get @Tunaki back...
 
9:27 AM
maybe someone should add this list to Socvr site
 
@VadimKotov that might not be a bad idea. NATO is still a term a lot of people don't know on SO, especially with it being ambiguous.
 
user3956566
anybody else here getting bumped by rate limiting @BaummitAugen @PetterFriberg? I'm wondering if it's any of the scripts I'm using and if anyone else is having he same problem as me
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 I came 3rd - wonders why I'm completely ignored
 
user3956566
@rene I call him the anti-chatter :D
 
13 hours ago, by gunr2171
yeah, hard to read the results. my bad
 
user3956566
9:33 AM
Cody 1st, Andy 2nd, me (Yvette) 3rd, Alexander 4th, Baum 5th, Nathan 6th, Rob 7th, Floern 9th. - so the room did have a big run there opavote.com/results/5927932925050880
 
@TGMCians I'm suggesting you to use pls-generator from socvr.org/tools/userscripts. Makes creating request much easier, and they look good after that
@PraveenKumar and for you too
 
@VadimKotov I have to check it
Will do
 
user3956566
I've stood for RO here twice and missed out - I did much better running for mod - it was reassuring :D I'd prefer mod to RO here any day
 
user3956566
^^ ergo the hurt of being overlooked when Gunr announced the results
 
user3956566
anyway back to the review queues coal miners cough - cough cough
 
9:41 AM
before it gets downvoted
 
user3956566
I downvoted it after I voted on it - why not downvote?
 
^^
 
@user2314737 it can get downvoted after it is closed..
 
I think people should know what's wrong before getting downvotes or at least get an explanation quickly
 
user3956566
@user2314737 the downvotes gets it off the front page
 
9:43 AM
@YvetteColomb oh I didn't know that
 
user3956566
@user2314737 that's cool, that's why we're all here - to learn and help each other and the site :)
 
@YvetteColomb exactly
 
Again closing crap questions like ninja... sweat
 
user3956566
@TetsuyaYamamoto that lacks MCVME - or whatever the abbrev is - I never remember it
 
@YvetteColomb MCVE/SSCCE... maybe that's what you're looking for
 
user3956566
9:47 AM
@TetsuyaYamamoto thank you kindly :)
 
^ also could be offsite resource
 
user3956566
 
user3956566
@TGMCians can you put in >20k if it requires the 20k rep privileges please? otherwise people with 10k<rep<20k go to it and cannot do anything
 
some kinda ?
gotcha
 
user3956566
thumbs up
 
@TGMCians Yeah, either unclear or too broad IMO
 
user3956566
@TGMCians ^^
 
Yeah
 
@suraj Think of it as a good thing... Until AI takes over - our jobs are looking fairly safe :)
 
user3956566
10:03 AM
@suraj seriously? It has so many answers... sigh I am cruising to find a question I can answer - serisouly I spent more time closing them
 
user3956566
@JonClements yes - that did cross my mind ;)
 
console.printf("All DVs used up, less than 10 CVs remaining")
 
user3956566
Way too broad and we do not provide malicious scripts, sorry — Yvette Colomb 11 secs ago
 
user3956566
@JonClements how are you? I haven't seen you around for a while
 
@YvetteColomb as said the other day - same old, same old. I see you're still on a post-election high :)
 
10:08 AM
@JonClements you're old?
 
user3956566
@JonClements I'm wrapped - I did a lot better than I hoped - so that's always a good thing. Very encouraging - except to be overlooked in here sob sob sob sobbity sob
 
@Adriaan I'm as young as I feel...
 
user3956566
@Adriaan lol yep he's the same old
 
@JonClements so about 60?
 
user3956566
@JonClements I was about to say something very inappropriate
 
user3956566
10:09 AM
@Adriaan 127
 
user3956566
and 3 months
 
Well, if I'd have known it was pick on puppy day when I got up this morning, I'd have stayed in bed longer :*(
 
@JonClements it's not like you have any flags left to handle with Andy in the mix now
 
> Daily close vote limit reached; please try again in 13 hours
 
user3956566
@JonClements here hands some scooby snacks
 
10:12 AM
@Yvette \o/
 
user3956566
@TGMCians that was offtopic in so many ways
 
I was about to write same :)
was not sure about too-broad
I voted off-topic too
 
user3956566
lol
 
@Adriaan good point... might have time to go on a Safari... now where'd I put my elephant gun... :p
 
@YvetteColomb Yeah - 'using Chrome' is worth a DV on it's own :)
 
user3956566
10:13 AM
@MartinJames hello!!!! Loooooong time no talk :D
 
user3956566
@MartinJames SO GOOD TO SEE YOU - I've missed you
 
user3956566
totally bypasses the fact I use chrome
 
user3956566
omg I've just ruined any chances of becoming a mod here O>O
 
@YvetteColomb I was suspended for a year, then I was too upset when you and Ollie did not get past the post:)
 
@JonClements well, that's not really nice :( I didn't say anything about hunting dogs either.
on a lighter note: I have today and tomorrow all day to play Portal if you want @JonC
 
10:15 AM
@Adriaan ooo... can probably do tomorrow?
 
user3956566
@MartinJames who the heck is Ollie? Oh Alexander? Yeh I know you were suspended - I was suspended even longer than you :p ever the competitor
 
user3956566
@JonClements that was such a corny joke - Jon Jon Jon sighs
 
@JonClements Safari is a rubbish browser too...
 
@JonClements sure thing. After 11-ish your time I'll be done drinking my elephant's share of coffee
 
user3956566
@MartinJames yep tots and I have moved to a mac machine
 
user3956566
10:16 AM
what do you use @MartinJames?
 
@YvetteColomb FF
 
user3956566
@MartinJames yep I should probably make the shift - every time I've tried I come back to chrome
 
user3956566
seriously I've nearly used up my close votes trying to find a question to answer
 
If someone wants to help with retagging/improving questions, there is list of not finished requests here meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/…
or at least you can vote for the ones you support
 
@VadimKotov I think you should filter out status-declined as well if you are looking at clearing that meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/…
last cv left for the day..
 
10:26 AM
@suraj and things like the atom req, in which the OP went ahead after reaching the 100 votes and cleared the tag out anyway
 
@suraj you're right. forgot to add that flag filter
@Adriaan already mod flagged this to add [status-completed] tag
 
@Vadim okay - done... taking your word for it :)
 
@suraj here is the proper link meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/…
also, It's a good idea to take a look at clean-up tag
@Adriaan aaaand it has been updated with status-completed
 
11:05 AM
Deletes original post(10K+) which was marked as duplicate and then proceeds to create new post which is just a copy and past of the previously deleted question
 
Can someone who is in Western Europe visit this link: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/274918 and tell me your result.
 
@rene what result are you looking for? I can see and read the page fine
 
@Adriaan huh? It errors for me
 
the red circles aren't free-hand though in the answer, boo
@rene tsja, I guess where you live is just an out of the way little town with low importance on the AIX :P
 
@Adriaan If I use an incognitp session, it works ...
strange
 
11:19 AM
@YvetteColomb at clients all day so not using SO, but I did have a meta on it a few days ago, however SE answered solved...
 
bye guys
 
Ron
Hello all.
All work and no fun?
Or vice versa.
 
^Smokey's last. Too broad would work as well.
 
Hi all! o/
 
Ron
Hello tree.
 
11:32 AM
Sounds like the sequel to "Hello moon".
 
\o
 
I have a bit of dilemna here about retracting a (pending) flag for moderation on this answer being a link only etc., which I flagged as: "I was going to flag this answer as being of low quality. At around the same time and being coincidental, the option disappeared and I was unable to do so. Link only answers have already been discussed on meta."...
...(cont'd) I closed the related question with a duplicate to which the OP states they want to know how to do it with their existing code. The answer IMHO should either be deleted or modified to provide them with a solution. What should I do about the flag, retract it? Should I also reopen the question? - Thoughts?
 
Morning
 
Moonring
 
Hi Nathan! o/
 
Ron
11:34 AM
o/
 
\o
 
:38455135 Well, in a way it is and answers like that can't be flagged as "not an answer" but as "low quality" and I was unable to flag as such in regards to coincidental upvotes by someone. I have been declined before for flagging as the former.
 
@Fred-ii- No I meant the link. Was a stupid comment, sorry.
Regarding the answer: You could not flag that VLQ because it had positive score.
I usually flag those VLQ with the comment:
> Please don't just post some tool or library as an answer. At least demonstrate how it solves the problem in the answer itself.
 
But NAA flags should work too.
 
11:37 AM
@BaummitAugen I did place a comment that reflects that under the answer with a link to a meta discussion on links only.
 
Though that depends on who reviews them.
 
@BaummitAugen my flag was to moderators since the upvotes at the time prevented me from flagging as low quality.
it just happened at the very same time
 
@NathanOliver that's a lot of requests being filled :O
 
I have flagged stuff like that NAA before, usually, it's fine, especially with that dedicated meta link.
But it's not a save bet, had 3 of those disputed by review recently.
 
@Adriaan no one ran the script for a while
 
11:49 AM
@NathanOliver raises hand...
 
flowers have hands?
 
Do others have thoughts on this... and the continued.... ? In case you may not have seen it, unless you're also unclear on what should be done about it.
 
@Fred-ii- Well, that answer is an answer
 
@NathanOliver still a link only, but is it "the" answer to what the OP is asking? also, my questions were: "What should I do about the flag, retract it? Should I also reopen the question?"
 
@Fred-ii- Doesn't really matter if it is the answer the OP is looking for. The person gives them the name of something that looks like it will do what they want. even if we remove the link the information is there so it is not, not an answer. I would retract the flag. I'm not sure whether the Q should be reopened or not. If the dupe is not proper then it probably should but if it is just going to get closed again then there isn't much of a point.
 
12:05 PM
@NathanOliver thing is, the duplicate I found and closed it with, contains the same thing that the answer contains. The OP states that they don't want to use an external library such as PHPExcel or other, so you can see why I'm confused about all of this and why that answer I feel doesn't constitute as the answer to the question. Have you gone through their question completely and the comments placed under the answer?
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg yep they emailed me saying there were 500 requests in 30 seconds and they're not sure if it's their end
 
@Fred-ii- Yes I have. Remember that answers aren't just for the OP and you don't actually have to answer their question. voting is used to judge usefulness, not flags. I see no reason that answer should be flagged.
 
user3956566
@rene I saw you on Pets meta :)
 
he's so meta
 
@YvetteColomb sorry, it will not happen again.
 
12:10 PM
@NathanOliver I just retracted my flag. Well, I'll just leave it then and not pursue it any longer. It's too unclear and I will not be reopening the question since both duplicates and the answer given both hold the same information. Thanks for your input on this.
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver that's so meta
 
my eyes
 
user3956566
@rene I was happy - you stubborn flower starts pulling petals off
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver LOLOL
 
12:12 PM
:)
 
Oh. Yeah. Duh.
 
oh, nvm
 
@Adriaan I can't believe the guy re-edited that answer you re-edited - I wonder if they'll keep doing it. If so, that stands to get flagged. I had a spidey sense about it earlier; just a bad feeling
 
@Fred-ii- I think there the OP was editing while it was removed out so it was added back in with their edit.
 
Same.
 
12:22 PM
@Fred-ii- No, that's not what happened. What happened is that he started to edit his own answer, i.e. write the extra paragraph, and whilst he was doing that Glorfindel edited out the swear word. Since he's the owner of the post, all edits he makes are "substantial", and hence it went trough, reverting the swearword in the process.
 
@NathanOliver @Adriaan I placed a comment under the answer, just in case.
 
@Fred-ii- uncalled for, as he didn't re-add it on purpose, as I explained to you.
 
@Adriaan ok, I guess things are going too fast lol - I deleted my comment
however, if I do see it again, then I would have been right and this time if there is one, it would not have been an accident
 
@Fred-ii- if it simply rechanges an edited-out swearword and naught else, yes, by all means flag it. If there are a lot of changes and the swearword reappears in the process, it's much more likely to assume what I just stated.
the usual way an OP (re)adds swearwords on purpose is to insult editors/answers/commenters etc, not to use a swearword as a general term, as was the case here
 
@Adriaan Loking at the timeframes in the revisions and the first comments given under it, seems unlikely that they were editing at the same time.
 
12:29 PM
@Fred-ii- muh, people take minutes making edits.
 
@Adriaan hehe fair enough ;)
 
@VadimKotov LoL. Dude... I contributed too... I am not in a situation to use it. Is it any kind of a show-stopper? Let me know...
@VadimKotov The problem is that I am in a restricted environment for the rest of the days until December... So no User Scripts / Tamper Monkey / Grease Monkey... I can't even use my 21 user scripts! meh!
 
12:45 PM
@Machavity delvoted
 
@BaummitAugen One more and it's gone
 
@Adriaan Can't, needs -3.
 
@Adriaan you said it
...the "R" word ;)
 
@BaummitAugen Can now
 
12:50 PM
@PraveenKumar oh, did not know that. ok then
 
@VadimKotov He he... No worries... :D
 
@Adriaan implement it in Edge don't push it ...
 
@PraveenKumar, Your restricted env look my workplace... If you need registered finger print and badge for the WC.. We can be at the same location.
 
@rene I needed an allegory on par with the quality of this answer. Any other browser mentioned would be too much credit for it.
 
@DragandDrop Umm, mine too bud...
 
12:52 PM
Do you guys ever go back to questions you downvoted and rescind it if the question has significantly improved?
 
@Adriaan well played then ;)
 
FingerPrint + 2FA + NFC + VPN RAS + RFID Authentication...
Is Stack Overflow down?
 
@JackParkinson not often, no. I normally keep a tab open
 
@JackParkinson Yep. I normally keep the tab open for a bit to check on it.
 
@PraveenKumar Not for me
 
12:53 PM
Ah nice...
 
@PraveenKumar no, just depressed ...
 
We only have 2 factor Id on the bathroom door.. we are not barbaric. People can have emergency.
 
@PraveenKumar Not for me
 
It's back I guess... :)
@rene 😜
 
Good to know. I have been doing the same, roughly.
 
12:55 PM
@JackParkinson If I find it again or get pointed out to it, and it's been improved, sure, but I don't keep a list to check later or anything
 
@PraveenKumar restricted environment and I saw earlier you were on a government contract. Are you sure you aren't just in jail?
10
 
@rene I wonder if he has a mandatory orange jumpsuit to wear ;)
 
@rene Umm... Where did you see that? Why should I be in jail? Well, at least I was in Stack Overflow prison for some months! 😜
 
@rene he could tell you, but then he'd have to spray you with herbacide
5
 
Seriously? So many stars for rene's message? Why?
3
 
12:58 PM
because I'm utterly funny ...
3
 
@rene Umm... No.
 
There you go, @PraveenKumar, gave you one too buddy :) :D
 
@JackParkinson :D
 
@PraveenKumar requests for star to be removed by a RO xD
3
 
@PraveenKumar Ok, fair enough.
 
12:59 PM
@Bugs 🤦🏻‍♂️
 

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