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10:00 AM
@Kyll Yep
 
@Kyll well yes but i never knew this existed in other language it was kinda new for me
 
@Tunaki See ya, Java. T'was nice knowing you.
@ColdFire Hence the need to learn other languages =D
 
@Kyll well i never denied that
currently no time for that
 
@ColdFire Aw.
 
same. Never any time for learning, always gotta get this feature done
 
10:03 AM
I started as a pure Java programmer, but once I moved to front-end and discovered JS, then Coffee and started looking at Ruby and Clojure/LISP I think it helped make me a better Java programmer
 
@CF you going to the cinema any time soon? I hear india high court ruled that prior to any movie showing in a cinema, the national anthem must be played and people have to stand up for it
 
When you edit a Q , you should see Edit 2 button?
After you refresh the page
 
@TimCastelijns yes it was always like that
 
it was news here 2 days ago
 
yes now its compulsary
well i saw it was followed before in cinemas
and i thought it was law previously lol
 
10:12 AM
sorry for saying but what kind of nonsense is that
 
well it has its reasons
have you seen all history of it
why it was ever considered
 
no, but the court ruled in favor of the proposal because there was not enough respect shown for the national anthem
so they thought it was a good idea
 
^ I hate this kind of attitude in comments so much.
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> This off-topic question has attracted a load of sarcastic, unhelpful comments that may need to be deleted.
 
kyll they are just having some fun
although i am not favoring them
 
it's really a cultural difference I guess CF, in the netherlands nobody gives a shit about the national anthem
 
10:14 AM
@TimCastelijns it has some history
 
They are mocking and ganging up against a user.
 
a man saw someone was disrespecting the national anthem
so he filed some pil or something like that
 
and once a movie was also something not showing the national anthem in good faith
i dont mind either way
i can stand up for the anthem
@TimCastelijns oh that is sad
 
@Kyll flag them all as rude/abusive. The mods will handle them
 
10:17 AM
And the award for the best question goes to: ^
 
sometime people are stupid enough to ask our state or city name is not in the anthem so why should i respect it and all that crap
 
@BhargavRao No, rude/abusive flags on that kind of comments have unpredictable results.
 
Srsly, If there are more than 5 such comments by a single user, Then they get a mod message.
@Kyll Not any more. ;)
 
The sad thing is, it's not a single user. It's a bunch of highish rep user (> 2k) often ganging up against <100 rep users posting sarcastic comments like "That sounds great. So what?" or "clap clap clap". It's one of the reasons for Queen's existence
 
I just had 3 answers deleted with a total score of +33 :D
 
10:20 AM
It's often accompanied by a flurry of downvotes, closure, and deletion. Overall the experience of a new user is "woah, what a bunch of mean guys, not ever posting here again"
@TimCastelijns wat? x)
 
3 answers why? Tim
 
other people's answers lol
 
oh lol
evil guy
 
lel
@BhargavRao Meh, k, I'll try.
 
@Kyll ooh can't agree more with that!!!, flag all comment's as to chatty and close the the question...
 
10:23 AM
@Bhargav A good example of such posts is this one. Out of 7 comments, one was useful and constructive.
 
:(
What was the link? :P
 
@PetterFriberg BR just suggested we use rude/abusive flags.
@PraveenKumar Of the screenshot? That was months ago
 
@Kyll Na na... The last Smokey report.
Before I come to the chat, it was deleted.
 
watch out.... I have tons of declined on comment's that are worse... I would go for nc or too chatty...
 
I wanna be a mod now! :(
 
10:25 AM
depends on mod what they will do...
 
6 mins ago, by Bhargav Rao
@Kyll Not any more. ;)
 
@Kyll The best, Convince the flower to allow too chatty flags in the room.
 
23 secs ago, by Petter Friberg
depends on mod what they will do...
 
I guess I'll try with rude/abusive flags, and when I get a few declined I'll go Meta over it.
@BhargavRao We already do for rude flags. Good point though.
 
10:26 AM
@Kyll hmm meta I already tried that but with not so great result ; )
 
Yes, @Kyll and @petter, Comments flags are almost at the discretion of mods.
 
@Kyll perhaps but once the question is closed, they are given a reason with a link with a suggestion as to how to ask a decent question. It's difficult to crack open the head of the poster but there is a tendency for laziness and misunderstanding of what SO is about. For some medicine is needed, after which they get it and ask a decent question, for others they are just help vampires
 
@Bhargav how are you liking the new job so far?
 
@EdChum Oh yeah sure, I agree
 
@TimCastelijns Yea, I have the same question @BhargavRao
 
10:27 AM
@Kyll All the comment flags are the same, Convince rene somehow. 3 flags on the same post kill the comment.
 
@EdChum But explaining them is the best way to go. Whatever a user may be, vampire or not, commenting "woah that is some special kind of junk you just posted" is not helpful in any remote way.
 
@TimCastelijns It's damn easy, The mod queue is empty. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/34341231#34341231
Also AFK, I'm in a meeting :D
 
@BhargavRao The main issue with this kind of attitude is how quick it happens and deteriorates a user experience, it's an order of magnitude quicker than the system (without diamonds in chat). One of the great thing about SOCVR is how effin' quick we can be. Maybe some kind of request for comment flags?
 
@Kyll there's already a meta on being nice, but this is on meta and not everyone visits meta. Additionally the anonymity of the interweb fosters personalities that bring out the best and worst of people and nothing will change some users approach. Also it's a bit tiring having to have to type out to new users what SO is about, voting to close is the minimum effort for me
 
My conclusion is that these comment are not constructive, it's it not helping out the site, just creating more mess and more work for mods...
 
10:29 AM
@EdChum Sure, that's why I use auto-comments.
 
This is a meta I passed on this issue meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/333397/…, as you see many meta users do not feel it is wrong..
 
@kayess codenewbie.slack.com? Who's in?
 
@EdChum Even just vtc'ing is sufficient, since it will give the user links to the hep center and all. An encouraging comment can also go a long way.
 
\o kayess
 
10:31 AM
@PraveenKumar I stopped by to check it out, but constanstly hang out in the ddd-crqs-es team rooms
o/ @TimC
 
@BhargavRao oh man, that will cause so much friction with the community ... don't expect that to happen, unless we want to get this room shutdown soon. / cc @Kyll
 
@Kyll this is Brad suggestions on flagging meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/333397/…
 
@Kyll it's an unsolvable problem for me, people are people. Everyone has their own rules, approaches, feelings, etc.. I just try not to add to the mess, the most personal I get is linking to this for poorly formatted code, and this for just unintelligible posts
 
@Kyll True, I think we can't help any more. Also I stand corrected, Go with nc or tc with those, to be on the safer side.
 
@EdChum meh it's unsolvable if people on SO feels it is ok.... when people realize it's just more crap that someone needs to clean up... I think the problem can be limited a lot.... high rep users sets standard... so if you pass comments like that, lower rep will follow you.
 
10:37 AM
@EdChum Yep, Just VingTC is the best. Adding snarky comments is not the right way.
@rene Hmm, Not sure bout that. But as you're more experienced with these stuff, I think that, it must be so. :)
 
@BhargavRao Thing is, if we start cleaning up snarky comments by ourselves, we're likely to clean many high-rep users comment too. These users are prone to going on Meta, and Meta just loves cheesy stories about user gangs and flame wars.
 
Ah, That. Yes. That'd be bad.
 
@PetterFriberg@BhargavRao I only post comments like that for extremely poor questions, usually I'll point out to the OP that they need to post code, because we can't reverse engineer the errant code from the error or the symptom descriptions
 
why is that a problem? we have bhargav to delete those meta posts (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
Then, as it commonly happens, multiple regulars would try to defend the room before we can build a proper response. Then it's a cold winter.
@TimCastelijns I don't see any way this would go wrong xD
 
10:40 AM
@TimCastelijns yeah, lets get the room closed and 4 mods suspended. Great plan.
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@Kyll Yeah, The end result would be, New mod stripped of mod status within 2weeks :D
 
Additionally there are some posters who are just lazy, especially when you see a homework question or you just see a code/error dump with no accompanying question
 
"You won't believe what this newly elected mod did next"
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@EdChum Agreed. In those cases, just CVing is perfect.
 
10:42 AM
Developers hate him, Look how he successfully flagged a comment on a locked post with a simple trick. — Bhargav Rao ♦ May 11 at 10:07
 
It's like the case of the firefighter who fears of fire..
 
so again it's just more crap to clean up
 
@rene Nooooooo...
This is my only room... :'( in StackOverflow.
 
10:58 AM
@rene How did you discover my secret plan?
 
@PraveenKumar commented
 
@kayess saw...
 
@PraveenKumar saw?
 
@kayess onebox yes.
 
11:01 AM
Waffles
 
@kayess Thanks, I was hungry.
 
@kayess Beat me to it :P
 
11:28 AM
@BhargavRao What just happened? :o
 
The Android one...
LoL. Inappropriate and actioned? Ha ha. Who was that?
Can't understand a thing, seriously.
 
12:03 PM
@FOX9000 spam
 
should edit adding just tags be approved?
stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/14463583x
 
@ColdFire if the tag is valid and nothing else needed fixing, sure
 
one of the tag is wrong afaik
and one tag is right
 
reject then
or reject/ edit
 
done thanks
 
12:10 PM
yw
 
Hmmm...
 
Yeah not flagging it, but probably worth to remove... Maybe David has some more info on that...
or just a nice edit to remove the link
 
@BhargavRao Man... Those conversations going bad... Didn't you act on it? Should I go flag it?
 
I've moved forward.
I've left it for the other mods to handle.
 
Nothing has happened buddy... It's going worse...
Even if it happened somewhere it's okay... But targeting you and mocking is shit...
 
#JustPissedOff
 
@PraveenKumar where ?
on which question?
 
@ColdFire Shhhhhh...
 
12:39 PM
Morning
 
"There are people making millions selling drugs. Why shouldn't you?" Because then you'd be lowering your standards. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
 
Is this TB?
 
@NathanOliver aye, imo
 
@NathanOliver Yup!
 
12:55 PM
@Cerbrus Whattey! :) — Praveen Kumar 1 min ago
... eh? What does that even mean, @PraveenKumar?
 
@PraveenKumar ty
 
@Cerbrus I said nice... That's a compliment... :D
@NathanOliver :)
 
@PraveenKumar It's noise / "too chatty".
 
@Cerbrus :/
 
this comment .. I don't find it constructive stackoverflow.com/questions/40911037/…
 
1:04 PM
I tend to give them a mhy when I comment something like that.
 
@user2314737 The answer isn't constructive in the first place.
 
@Cerbrus I disagree, the answer was trying to help
it's all gone anyway, we can forget about it. deal?
 
If we can forget about it, then please don't bring it up in the first place.
You made me remember what I could forget about.
 
1:41 PM
grr
We had a power outage yesterday
And have been dealing with the aftermath all day
 
laughs in UPS
cries after 6hrs
 
Power outages stink. We had one last year when they were doing some construction. Took out power to the entire business park.
 
Was the entire city here
Haven't had a power outage in 18 years before yesterday
 
Wow. Do you know the cause?
 
@NathanOliver Electric cables are so tasty.
 
1:47 PM
lol
 
@NathanOliver Officially some technician was tinkering with the surge protectors on a high voltage line and accidentally shorted out the entire city net
The power surge before the outage ruined a whole lot of gear over here
 
Well that will teach him not to tinker
 
@NathanOliver The power company has to pay for hundreds of thousands in damages since an entire industry park wasn't just out for 10 minutes they also had a huge network surge before
 
@Magisch be sure the company won't have to pay, they have insurance for such cases...
 
@Magisch That's why I bought a UPS a year ago ... our power grid is not that reliable it once was. Requires a major overhaul, but that is very expensive and the large power companies here are in financial trouble with their atomic power plants and the other plants as well.
 
JAL
1:58 PM
morning all
 
Hi @JAL
 
JAL
Did I miss any good meta drama this morning??
Olaf o/
 
@JAL See the history. There was some, but I'm not sure I got the point.
 
JAL
@Olaf Is there ever any point to meta drama though?
 
@JAL Good point :-)
 
2:00 PM
Hiya JAL
 
JAL
Hey Nathan
 
Hiya JAL
 
JAL
Bhargav o/
 
@JAL \o
 
JAL
@AshishAhuja hello!
 
2:12 PM
\o/
 
Hiya @JAL
 
JAL
/o\
 
\o- <- looks like a bird sideways :\
 
JAL
\o\ ~~~do the wave~~~ /o/
@kayess lol
 
2:27 PM
oo/o/o/o/o//o//o/o/oo/
 
morning!
what mess did I walk into?
 
@ColdFire looks like a running figure in 1Hz vertical refresh CRT
 
@kayess haha true
 
@gunr2171 hey!
 
@gunr2171 hey!
 
2:28 PM
@gunr2171 //////0000///0//o/o//o/o/o/o/o/o/ <- this mess
@gunr2171 hey!
 
\o gunr
 
yo all
 
ping flood at it's finest
 
Suppose that I hammered and reopened a question today. Will I be able to hammer that question again after some time (provided that it will remain open)?
 
No, after "undoing" your vote you won't be able to close vote it again.
 
2:35 PM
@vaultah AFAIK you can only hammer a question once, just like you can only cv on a question once even if you retract your cv
 
Thanks guys
ugh, just found Shog's post
> Keeping in mind, once a question has been closed and reopened you're still blocked from voting in the future - the close "wars" of the past will remain firmly in the past.
 
@vaultah I refreshed the chat page twice before realizing that your chat avatar was completely white, and wasn't a bug :p
 
yep, that's a feature :)
 
lol
 
JAL
@BhargavRao too broad? What's your view on flagging bounty questions?
Wow, this is a cool sight. A user who placed a bounty on a question was banned or the account was removed. Now the community user is offering the bounty: stackoverflow.com/q/40720922/2415822
 
2:49 PM
will it happens
and has happened
 
yep, Community user has 2 bounties, both for Swift
also, lol, it has the "not a robot" badge
 
JAL
lol
 
lol
 
When you place a bounty, the rep is immediately removed from your current rep, right?
 
JAL
yep
 
That not a robot thing needs a lot more events. Right now they have russia and helsinki :(
 
@Adriaan :)
 
@NathanOliver I'll be in Helsinki in april
@gunr2171 still didn't get that T-shirt :(
 
or the gold badge
 
3:00 PM
@gunr2171 I got that, for great question
 
@Adriaan Cool
Somehow this has two dupe targets and one of them is deleted. Should I hammer it open and close of just the non deleted dupe?
 
why not
 
@NathanOliver hum, nowadays you can't delete a post if it has any dupes pointing to it
 
JAL
I wonder if there is a feature request to remove deleted posts from the dupe window
 
@Adriaan it was deleted years ago so maybe that is a newer feature
 
JAL
3:03 PM
wait, @NathanOliver that question is so old the dupe message is an edit to the question
just edit the link out of the question
 
roflmao.
Good spot JAL. edited
 
JAL
now let's just hope it doesn't get reopened in the queue
nice work
 
\o/ I was able to use free hand red circles on SO main again :D
 
lol i deleted one and NO another leaving no dup
 
JAL
@ColdFire @NathanOliver I had a meta about a similar situation a while back if you want to read about it: meta.stackexchange.com/q/285638/242209
 
3:06 PM
ty
 
ty
 
@JAL In that particular case, just meh and move forward. It's too broad but not toooo broad to be flagged as such. My view is that, if a post is bad enough to receive really bad answers then flag em.
 
JAL
@BhargavRao Good advice, thanks! Jon will be happy I have someone else to bug about bounty questions now :)
 
Yeah, He's a happy dog now :P
 
3:20 PM
@BhargavRao so I can save my scooby snacks for a more dire moment? Good to hear
 
3:31 PM
@Undo please use [reopen-pls] as we have scripts that archive the content.
:P
 
A ninja ninja's a ninja... recursive ninja.
 
@BhargavRao Yeah, except I'm not necessarily requesting that it be reopened.
Someone did it now, though
 
4:28 PM
1006 score in but not even a silver badge yet D-: curse you meta
 
4:48 PM
sniping mods :(
@SmokeDetector self-vandalism
 
Too fast for y'all... :P
 
@Undo I though self-vandalism was -tpu or something, not k?
 
@Undo User removed from blacklist (6568300 on stackoverflow.com).
 
@Adriaan tp would be better, v(andalism) is just a shortcut
Idea is to not blacklist the user, but I'm lazy
 
4:50 PM
Smoke Detector resolving another issue in less than 1 minute...
 
@PraveenKumar went with TB
 
@NathanOliver :)
 
@PraveenKumar so did I
 
I cant change here or there.
Anyway. :D
@JanDvorak :)
 
5:07 PM
@JanDvorak That was hammered
 
Not bad, I guess
 
I have no idea but it's closed so there is that.
 
TJ Crowder knows one or two things about JS
 
@TylerH more than that
 
a score of 40,141 in it ...
@JanDvorak okay, three things :-P
 
5:10 PM
@TylerH more than that ;-)
 
look now, four things is pushing it!
what is a sentinel value, it sounds cool
 
They're basically just flying robot squids that try to kill humans
 
@TylerH About $350 million each
 
@NathanOliver trump chump change
 
5:35 PM
^ Sorry for the mess
 
meh. it's fine.
 
@JonClements Perhaps we should just close this then if you don't want any new answers?
 
@FOX9000 rejected. Added words to the op's mouth.
 
5:55 PM
afk
 
6:07 PM
 
I'm out of the ability to think for today
 
@JanDvorak I think that might be a typo, based on the first comment
but right now I'll take the wait and see method
 
Yep, that first comment is right.
 
JAL
Did anyone start Advent of Code yet? I'll try to start tonight
 
parseInt takes a base argument, but parseFloat doesn't
 
6:13 PM
@JAL oh, that started again!
 
JAL
yes!
maybe I'll place on our leaderboard this year! lol
 
woot! I'll take a look now
 
Advent of code - is that that site that gives you two programming challenges per day, and kills your CPU if you manage to do all 48 of them? I'm in!
 
Advent of Code leaderboard for this room: 2966-209bc955
3
 
JAL
6:16 PM
Oh I'm already in that leaderboard
 
oh yeah, that carried over from last year
 
JAL
sweet
 
Joined. I'll get to coding tomorrow
 
JAL
I'm going to get lunch but maybe I'll start this afternoon
 
6:55 PM
Sould we say :" I voted up " in an Answer?
Think that Up or Down doesn't make sense.
So if i vote up or down , why i told others what i do? to vote to me as i vote?
 
he's not telling you to vote, he's saying that he agrees with another post
 

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