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15:02
@SotiriosDelimanolis :)
Is Smokey pinging me again?
@PraveenKumar likely
@PraveenKumar It did not on the last report
15:13
Pretty sure a change went in where if you are not "active" in the room you will not get pinged even if you are registered. Not sure what definition of "active" was chosen.
LoL
But I already unnotified it?
well the chatroom has its own 'active' setup, doesnt it?
the grayed out icons are "here but not here."
or whatever it's called when they're lighter than normal but not gray
faded icons
@SotiriosDelimanolis What do you think about this one as a dupe of that one?
Yeah was about to find something similar @Tunaki but I wasn't at my computer.
There might be more extensive though.
15:16
Yeah looking as well...
@Compass that is just based on time see this bug report, pingable and active are different definitons.
@SotiriosDelimanolis nice, yes
I just partake here :V
Got that one.
You can't make me!
also LOL
15:31
Not sure if delete of red flag
can i roll that back?
Meh, no need to
I haven't rolled anything back in a while.
Rude and abusive
There might not be a need to, but I get enjoyment from using rollback powers :V
I have remarkably low standards of entertainment.
15:32
In the case of a simple deface ("assdsfddzgsdga"), do rollback (without starting a war). In the case of a rude deface, flag / delete and move on.
@Compass Bleh. i did. Sorry @Kyll
Lame.
It's Roomba ready. No undeleted answers and <0
@Machavity Meh. Retracting red flag then.
beaten again ._.
@TylerH Yeah, been seeing the comments pop up
Waltz into latex SE, read the sample, walk right out :V
those two both have 1 left
@SotiriosDelimanolis those make me sad.... spend 20-like delete votes there
@Compass sounds about normal for a "Latex SE" site...
I started with some of the worse in the list.
15:51
Java has a Canon for all error types. There ought to be many dupes
i dont have any delete votes
@Compass related pet-peeve of mine: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/324241/… (cc @TylerH)
i dont have *many delete votes
Drew has some stats. Queen too. A new Java question has 60% change to be a perfect dupe.
maybe more
@Tunaki wait i thought it was more than 95%
15:52
And it has 100% chance to be answered if it's a dupe.
chance*
ninja :p
ah, i was just referring to an interesting question in the sidebar about latex
when it's harder to do what you want in latex than Microsoft Word =.=
or even HTML.
It's not that it's harder. It's a different point of view
It's hard to replicate what Word does
15:56
that is the problem with tools. If you only know a hammer, someday you'll hit your thumb
Nailed it
Because Word does wild and crazy things, unformatted things, unaligned things that "works" good enough
It is much better to put a screwdriver in your eye, now and then, so your thumb can recover ...
@Tunaki "Good enough" isn't good enough though :p
@rene Yeah ri.. wait, what?
Do you even have an eye? ô.o
@Adriaan wish I could vote for that a second time
15:58
People click a button in Word saying it's easy
@Seth I used a screwdriver twice. You do the math ....
it's like, if you tag a question with sharepoint it should pop up a modal saying "we have a whole freaking site for sharepoint questions, are you sure you don't want to ask there?"
@Tunaki Who uses buttons when you have shortcuts? :o
@rene Tough one :| What about your thumps? How many times did you use a hammer?
I'm trying to somehow come up with a pun regarding a flower without eyes, but I can't think of any ._.
@Seth I lost count, I might have caused collateral damage ...
LaTeX gives you the tools to do what you want. Trouble is, people using Word don't know what they want.
They just want to push a button (or use shortcuts :) ) and be done with it.
16:01
@rene Is that why Kyll is this way? :o
@Tunaki Ayeeee :P
(Most) humans in a nutshell.
I know exactly what I want!
Why choose the complicated, yet better way when you can choose the easy, fast way? :)
@TylerH I passed a comment to Shog on an answer of his where he implemented a warning like that for another tag last month, but no response, like always on LaTeX
I know LaTeX is infinitely prettier than Word
@rene And that's why you should beware programmers carrying screwdrivers
16:03
but my professor wouldn't know that.
nor would he care <.<
@Seth That tabularx table there is really simple
@Machavity yeah, true
he wants a 100 page paper, not a beautiful 100 page paper
conceptually, it may be simple
Simpler than anything really: define width of columns, fill rows, add line separators
but it is much more conceptually simple to merge cells in Word since it's literally select cells and merge <_<
one requires visualize, then execute, the other just requires execute :V
16:04
I hate apple
that came out of nowhere
@Compass meh. multicolumn and multirow do that fairly easy also :)
why did they have to make macs be incompatible with stuff -_-
I hate orange
@Compass lol sorry, just venting. A doctor saved a keynote presentation on their mac and sent it to someone who doesn't have a mac
16:05
I hate tofu.
I hate lamp
I hate spearrels.
I don't believe you.
so instead of that person asking the doctor to save it as a powerpoint (literally File -> Export -> PPT in Keynote), they called IT asking for an emergency ticket to convert the file
16:06
@TylerH That doesn't sound like an Apple problem.
hey, it pays the bills
that sounds like 'operator error'
@TylerH Yeah, that's a PEBCAK problem.
@AlexanderO'Mara PEBCAK but if Apple hadn't made Keynote in the first place the problem would've been avoided
I am Windows for Life, but I know how to use Apple and, for a lack of a better term, "how to use" Linux.
that's a horrible reasoning.
16:07
@TylerH Or if Microsoft hadn't made Powerpoint, same thing.
Microsoft ppt, the original format, was garbage
@BhargavRao tempted to report, really
Proprietary workflow software.
FEAR ME I HAVE BECOME SENTIENT
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@AlexanderO'Mara but PowerPoint was already there
16:07
@SmokeDetector \o/
@TylerH Not free though, costs money.
@Tunaki If there are more than 6 here, Go ahead :P
@Compass psst OSX is really FreeBSD but don't tell anyone
@AlexanderO'Mara so does Keynote
@BhargavRao poofed
16:08
so, my last flag was declined
I flagged as NAA
@TylerH Not for anyone who bought a Mac in the past several years though.
@AlexanderO'Mara yes, who bought a Mac
now, before you tell me it is an answer, check that edit history :/
$1200 cost
@Compass "finaly I solve the problem"
16:09
@Tunaki ;)
@Tunaki check edit history
Yeah
I flagged before that.
Happened to me as well
@TylerH It's not like you can run it on any other system.
16:09
more than once :)
#thanksstackoverflow
Makes me look like pootato.
#CommentTheCannnedCommentForNAA
@AlexanderO'Mara exactly, so the price of iWork suite is buying a Mac
BTW, at least at one point you could just extract the ZIP and get a PDF out of the file.
I'm just frustrated that this scenario exists
16:10
@TylerH And the price of MS Office is Windows + Office, so?
like, we are a microsoft shop, yet we let doctors and executives use macbooks because they are high up in the company and can do what they want
@AlexanderO'Mara so what?
I didn't say PowerPoint was free
just that Keynote isn't really
tinstaafl (sort of)
@Machavity btw what was the source you used that listed jacksonville as 6th largest us city by land area?
If you buy a Mac, you get Keynote free. If you buy a Windows, you don't get Powerpoint free. So in a sense, it's a little more free. I don't use either though.
wikipedia says 5th...
Wow, 1k helpful comment flags \o/
@AlexanderO'Mara but the cost of a typical Mac is going to be more than a typical PC + Office
so a little less free
Sam
Sam
16:12
@TylerH Winner of the longest acronym of the day award.
@BhargavRao congrats
@Sam and I didn't even coin it, damn
@TylerH If typical PC is the junk most people buy, then definitely.
@AlexanderO'Mara what do you mean by 'junk'?
@TylerH Just forgot to edit that. It's 5th
PCs are ridiculously inexpensive even for high end stuff
sure if you want the latest technology like a tablet that's as powerful as a desktop it'll cost you
16:14
@TylerH I'm not able to ThumbsUp but I want to thanks - src
Thanks ;)
@TylerH Was running off the top of my head posting on MSO. That'll teach me
but you can buy a core i5 8gb windows 10 laptop for like $250
add in office pro and that's not even half the cost of the cheapest mac
I once priced out comparable components to the Mac Pro (as close as I could get, many parts weren't quite as good), and the price was pretty dang close.
Oh sure if you price individual components
the thing is you pay a Luxury Tax for the apple brand of like 200 to 300% markup
want another 8GB of RAM? $200 more
how much does the RAM actually cost? $30
etc.
They make great appliances but you definitely pay a premium for the brand
@TylerH I haven't seen 8GB RAM chips ~$30 in a few years now, have they come back down?
16:18
they've been at like $30 - 32 for like 5 years?
I don't remember the last ram sticks I bought, I'll have to look it up on newegg
Macs cost about 30% more than a comparable PC
That reminds me I need to get another set of 2x8GB to fill out my motherboard...
I've also tried comparing their laptops, but really haven't been able to find anything truly comparable. They always have better screens, PCIE SSD's, or something else you can't get.
laptops are a bit different. Everyone makes those custom for the most part. You're lucky to get one that lets you replace RAM and HDD/SSD, let alone the rest
roughly
HP probably has a couple hopeful competitors as well
I'm sure Dell still peddles something under the alienware brand
16:23
Dell typically makes some decent ones, although the last Ultrabook I bought had bad WiFi
Which Mac would you compare it to?
@AlexanderO'Mara any, but we can do the base one for $1299
biggest difference parts wise is the Mac's 1.1GHz dual core vs the Asus' 2.5 GHz core i5
same ram, same solid state hard drive
.5" bigger screen (for the asus)
Mac has better the screen though.
And I have no doubt a better trackpad.
Greetings. I would appreciate review of the following post: stackoverflow.com/questions/40035427/…. It is a duplicate of many existing posts, but the author of the question disagreed with my original choice and reopened their question (with their gold badge).
Here is a duplicate that should be more clearly appropriate to them: stackoverflow.com/questions/37133191/…
I think we can't really speculate
also those are both largely opinionated things
16:27
More pixels not better?
No, more pixels is not always better
For Windows, I agree, terrible support for high res monitors.
also if Macbooks' trackpads are anything like their 'magic mouse', then they're god awful
Not really, they're fairly different. I did eventually come to like the magic mouse though, after some power-user-configuring.
I don't know how trustworthy the verge is for product reviews but they call them pretty much clones theverge.com/2016/8/31/12726620/…
Does Apple have fingerprint support yet on its trackpads?
16:30
Don't even get me started on how awful scrolling via trackpad is in Windows.
the problem is people use trackpads
when they should always carry a mouse with them
It's like playing video games on your computer and then being forced to use a console controller
Track pads don't support finger prints.
The new MacBook in ~10 days will allegedly have such a sensor though.
is that when the refresh hits stores?
Don't know, maybe.
are you going to get one when they do?
16:32
Maybe, I'm still using my trusty 2011 (with upgrades).
@PeterDuniho [tag:cv-pls] =)
lol...yes, sorry. I'll be awake soon.
I really like the amount of code I can get on their retina monitors, once you configure it.
@PeterDuniho Meh, that's sort of iffy imo. :|
@AlexanderO'Mara the retina monitors are very nice
but it's partially the quality of the glass covering
16:35
@TylerH nice
@Seth: "iffy" how? I agree it's not the usual "wall of junk" LQ that often comes up, but IMHO we just don't need yet another question like this, and it's only because the OP abused (also IMHO) his gold badge to reopen a post that should never have been posted in the first place.
@TylerH They don't actually have a glass covering I don't think. I accidentally broke a work one once.
Bye all, Gotta go
@PeterDuniho The problem here is that it's actually iffy, as in "not that easy to judge", atleast for me (note: I'm no C# expert or anything). I've read through both questions & answers, and do agree - to a certain point - that they seem to ask for similar explanations, but the questions do seem different "enough".
It's not that classic NPE dupe, that's all I want to say :)
16:39
@Seth: okay, well thanks for your input. I think the dupe I proposed in my request here is pretty directly "on the nose"; the code examples are practically the same. But I appreciate how you or someone else might not feel comfortable going on even that.
@PeterDuniho Nonono, that was just my input :P "The perspective of a newb", if you want c: We have a few C#-"experts" though.
They all seem to be afk right now though :/
@rene You there? o:
yep
rene is typing
4
:D
16:46
@AlexanderO'Mara it does, they are just thinner on the retina devices
but it is not glass in the sense of a glass window
they use a glass substrate
@PeterDuniho I think you're right there is a relation between that question and your newly proposed dupe. However, I'm not Bart de Smet and I can't really judge if there are subtle differences caused by the generics used in the question. But that would be the only thing that sets them apart. I'm not voting on it, I would have to exercise both problems and their answers to make that call.
rene is done typing
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you waited to make that joke, right?
Ofc he did :D
16:49
for a very long time yes
@rene Thanks :)
I watched the camera feed until you pressed enter
forgot about the camera...
^o^
Hello!
16:50
Hiya Nobody
Why do you greet nobody @NathanOliver? :s
@Seth Well it is impolite to ignore nobody.
@NobodyNada How often do people try to make cringy jokes based on your name? :p
Just curious c:
@NathanOliver O_O
So ... you're saying the only polite thing is to ignore everybody?
16:51
@rene: okay, well thanks for looking. Just FYI: the generic type parameter is there only to accommodate the use of any Func<T> as opposed to hard-coding the type as in the duplicate (which doesn't make use of the task return type). It's an immaterial difference in the question (I understand the reluctance to just "take my word for it"...I'm just mentioning, not trying to change your mind)
@Seth a lot :p
@Seth You must treat everyone equally
@NathanOliver Is that a yes?
@NobodyNada Thought so >.< Atleast I'm not alone then.
@Seth It is a...
@PeterDuniho Yeah, I think you're right and I would be highly surprised if I find something different if I would run it. Thanks for clarifying.
16:53
Is there any language that uses "..." to say something meaningful? :D
Yes ...
>,<
@Kyll Oh boy :D
Thanks for that :P
16:56
@Seth Visual representation of three short in Morse code, which is used for the letter S.
Woops, I hit enter >.<
@Louis I totally forgot about morse code :| Shame on me.
Its also used for a parameter pack in C++: en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/parameter_pack
You guys are going ham on those 3 dots ... I like it!
I don't think it should be flagged; it's an answer
17:00
@Seth well, he did solve the problem that way
Seems fine, moderation-wise...
Ok :|
@Seth No flag. Just down votes if you feel it is not helpful and delete votes if you feel it needs to go.
@Seth Low quality: no explanation?
17:01
@NathanOliver Ok c:
I absolutely detest answers that are "I restarted my computer and it worked!"
@Olaf Mhm. True actually. Not too sure if that fits though :|
@Louis Same.
"Help, my PC has a keylogger on it, how can I remove it!?" - "Restart your computer, works 10/10 times!" :|
@Seth LQ != VLQ. VLQ is for gibberish.
Well, I downvoted, but did not flag. Was tempted to flag, but also not sure.
@NathanOliver Yeh :/ That's what I thought.
How does one expect to solve a permission problem by restarting the PC ... ._.
17:05
@Seth Could work for tempfs ... ;-)
@Olaf Huehuehue :D
I mean, it definitely works @Olaf :P The question is just "Does it work like the author probably wants it?" :D
I love explaining the intricacies of flagging on SO. "You should use the "cat" flag when you see a cat. Except when the cat is wearing sunglasses, then you have to use the "walrus" flag. No, not because it is a walrus. That's just what we do: we classify a cat with sunglasses as a walrus."
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17:09
@Louis And that's the easy rule to remember. When that cat is wearing a hat on the second Tuesday of an odd number month then you need the zebra flag.
@NathanOliver I've been flagging wrong then.
@Louis Shame!
@NathanOliver Gone
:P
@πάνταῥεῖ That is even the wrong answer. It does nothing with the string passed to it. So sad it got 2 up votes
@Yam op asks for clarification @TimCastelijns @Compass @Machavity
@NathanOliver So no duck-typing? How's that called, cat-walrus-zebra typing?
Or randomised heuristical typing?
17:23
As Kyll would put it. Plop typing
Spearell typing?
@Adriaan Still TB
@NathanOliver Plop, spearrel time?
MC Hammer reference?
@Machavity sure, but the OP left a comment on his question asking why it's on hold
17:32
@Adriaan Ah, I see now. Will reply
@Yam lawl. Removed 50% of the text. It's possibly more horrible now, barely beats the minimum character count
Evening all. o/
Hey there
Moin @BaummitAugen
17:50
@πάνταῥεῖ Dunno, "because stack, but standard does not guarantee it" seems like a valid answer to this.
Looks clear to me
@BaummitAugen Hmmm, well.
Probably not terribly useful, but not really too unclear to answer.
It is implementation defined behavior but it is also the expected behavior as it is a sane implementation.

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