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@FrankerZ sorry for possibly stupid question, but its on hold currently, and i cant find anywhere to actually close or delete vote...
 
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Q: Free us from the cycle of [kali-linux]

duskwuffFor some reason, Stack Overflow seems to get a lot of questions about Kali Linux, a Debian-based distribution with a focus on penetration testing tools. With very few exceptions, these questions are always off-topic for Stack Overflow. Most of them are related to one of a few specific topics, al...

02:27
@ElliottFrisch Welcome. There's not much activity right now, but check-in at different times to see what we're up to.
Can give ya a ton of Java activity if you want it
@SotiriosDelimanolis Thanks, and sure (schedule permitting). :)
Just wanted you to understand my (our) POV.
02:50
@Feeds that's good ol' burn through the queue
03:01
bah, so used to oneboxing stuff.
@Undo I flagged for moderator attention to migrate
@4castle I did too (and I'm a mod on BSE)
@Undo the tag on SO has no life... shy 70% unanswered in the last 30 days
@Braiam well, [the tag is at 63%](stackoverflow.com/tags/android/topusers)
Formatting is hard.
Anyway, point is that unanswered % isn't a great determiner of topicality.
@Undo start the link after the tag
03:13
@Undo 18k question vs 29
if the 1.1k followers can't answer 29 questions, I would say they will not answer anything on SO
@Undo agreed, but shouldn't any tag on SO be about programing? blender is WAY more then programing, in fact if anyone had a mostly programing question it could go under python.
and I'm not talking about topic here, but where it is more likely to get an answer
@Braiam and I'd disagree, but don't feel like arguing that point.
@David Meta question please :)
statistically, SO is way less likely to get your blender question answered
@Undo sure. will do tomorrow. (tis late now)
03:15
@Braiam irrelevant; question was answered in this case.
@David Thanks! :)
@Undo PS by a BSE user :)
@Undo well, SE used that metric to create Vim.SE and Emacs.SE, so it's relevant
but that is a different issue
completely different issue, yeah
Would Blender be a better home? Maybe. Can I justify closing/migrating it a month later? Not really
Better late than never
03:19
@Undo "Would Blender be a better home? Maybe." that was my point
@Undo if you were looking how to use the Boolean Modifier in blender, would you look on SO or BSE?
btw, and just because I did it before, blender.se in the same period had 942 questions, little more than 35% unanswered
@David I'd type "how to use boolean modifier in Blender" into Google :)
Probably Blender.
03:22
@David I'm about to flip to page 2 and didn't see SO
I'm scared, first post in page two is dated '12...
So here's the deal: I don't have clear meta consensus for either (1) Blender questions being off-topic, or (2) Blender questions should be migrated on sight.
@Braiam you probably wont. SO is indexed for programmers. (or noobs trying to jquery a web site)
If I had either of those, I'd just migrate it. But right now, I can't justify it.
I'm not arguing that Blender could be a better site, but we don't do scope gerrymandering.
Anyway, I've hijacked the room. My goal was to get an idea of whether it was off-topic, not whether it should be migrated.
for me is an issue of where the question will get better care (maintenance, voting, editing, answers, etc.)
Yeah, that's a completely different issue. Throw a meta question up on that and we can talk about it; that'd probably be profitable to get the community to weight in on.
I have fairly clear guidance on not migrating stuff if it's on-topic, but I don't have a handy public link to it.
04:01
Would like to consolidate those posts. They achieve the same thing.
Question for you guys: this post popped up earlier, and someone ended up replying with a witty answer. How to we handle these things? Do we flag it as NAA or VLQ or something else entirely? IMO the entire question needs to just be removed
@Will still around?
@FrankerZ hey, yeah im here. yeah i flagged that one as NAA
You mentioned a dumb question earlier. Which one were you talking about?
even if the question was valid, that wouldnt be a valid answer to it.
the question you linked to
@Will Just now?
04:17
no i did that earlier
You did what earlier?
Also: Looks like that question was nuked. Thanks mysterious mod
Will this work if I tag people? Like @GhostCat
04:34
@Undo are you around?
For 30 seconds @FrankerZ, why?
I found a user who appears to be plagiarizing most (if not all of his answers). I reported the first one, and commented on the second that most (if not all) of his posts are plagiarized. Should I go through each of his posts, and flag them?
Or is that enough for investigation
@FrankerZ Throw one 'other' flag on only one of them, we don't need a whole bunch of them.
The two were both 'other' flags
Comment with where they're copied from on the individual ones if you want, that's often helpful to cut out a bit of work.
But yeah, only one flag saying you found a pattern is needed.
04:39
ok, perfect. Thanks
(afk, going to sleep)
Nighty night
 
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05:51
spam it am
wat is an OBIEE anyway?
google reveals Oracle Business Intelligence Enterprise Edition
eeew
Good Morning
06:10
Morning
06:23
@Magisch I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
06:45
Magisch passed a audit!
@Magisch You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 1 was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 23 minutes and 1 second, averaging to a review every 34 seconds.
07:20
Hiya
Morning Tuna
Morn o/
Plop everyone!
o/
meh
I saw it but just went NAA
Yeah, the manual IMO should be NAA
whoops
@Yam Nope.
Already maxed out 6/8 review queues today again
Already beat you to it @Yvette
@SOCVR, I have a question for you.
@TIPS waiting for waffle sacrifice
Sure, do ask.
Plop Tim
07:50
Does deleting a post mark spam flags as helpful?
yes
Then let's fight.
but not if it's the OP that deleted
quickly ran out of downvotes and close votes going over stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/kali-linux (see meta post above); assistance there would be much appreciated
07:51
@Tunaki Oh, then that's different.
@tripleee Are we burninating it?
@Kyll no, just reviewing for crap, which is basically all of it -- if not outright off-topic then no mcve
Its 10am and I'm out of CVs, votes and 6/8 review queues
Oh, the huge manatee
:(
@tripleee Right. Do remember that the first step to undertake during clean-ups is editing
07:52
But get this. If the author deletes spam without us kicking a flag in, and then undeletes, the post won't get bumped, won't be caught by Smokey, and has less chance to be caught by someone.
@Kyll "why is my wifi not working" is not salvageable
@tripleee I know =p
@TIPS but the spam flag will be active
and seeing what's left after mopping out the eyebrow-level crap cesspool is IMHO the first step just to see what's left to possibly try to salvage
@Tunaki What flag if none have been cast?
07:54
@TIPS I thought undelete bumped
@Tunaki It does not.
is the topic, sorry for not spelling that out
huh
trying again to create a chat message which someone might actually want to star
is full of crap, please review; see meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/331586/…
07:56
Can I star metalinguistically?
@tripleee Yeah no
@TIPS as in ?dubious or *not attested?
seems to contain a lot of questions with scope and quality issues, please head there to try and fix them / moderate content. See Meta
@tripleee ^ Don't start fires, particularly in this room.
You people and your fire extinguishing.
@Kyll ack, yeah, that's better
07:58
@TIPS well then. to keep in mind
I'm headed to meta.SE to write something about undeletion and unbumping.
@TIPS Good idea
Feels like an easily exploitable loophole
@Tunaki This came up because an obvious spam on AU was "Voluntarily removed by its author".
Added to the Watch cc @Seth @Ashish
Plop Petter
Dang, I have never thought how randomness could be beautiful.
08:06
This question is about to be reopened... Seriously?
Closed by a mod, and reopened :(
Look who's back
Back again
WINGDONG!
@Magisch Omg, don't
Gods freaking damnit
So sick of repeating this
08:08
@FrankerZ since I don't think you know the full story behind this
@Kyll The song?
this particular individual is a persistent troll
This troll has been known to read the transcript. Don't talk about it, don't praise it, seriously just be quiet, flag, and sd k
@Kyll can't see the it, I have a script that blocks PHP questions, to protect my eyes
Don't comment, either on the post or here.
08:09
@Kyll The reopen queue gave it 3x reopen and 3x leave closed
We'll have to close it again when it reopens
Yep.
I wonder, should I reopen it just so we can close it now rather then later?
Would that be abuse?
user3956566
@FrankerZ ah ok I am not in this room, the close vote request makes it appear I am in here ;)
@Magisch Yes, I think so
you did it anyway
I thought you said "Yes" as in I should do it
08:16
Oh wait
I meant to answer the abuse one xD
/facepalm @Magisch
Welp, vtc'ed
08:17
picks up @Kyll and throws him into a lake
That question is like the textbook definition of "Too Broad"
Maybe request a lock on it
instead of playing games of reopening/closing
@TimCastelijns Meta or flag?
My gut says flag but I have no clue
It still needs 1 more CV, btw
08:19
@TimCastelijns Well, my previous similar Meta Q raised a lot of drama
Yeah, because someone decided to put in the final reopen vote
throws @Kyll on @Magisch
@Kyll I'd argue these are almost identical cases, let's follow George's advice?
@Tuna Could you take a look at this? Should it be reopened? stackoverflow.com/q/38734434/4174897
@TimCastelijns See the accepted answer and George's answer
08:21
@Kyll should be closed as dupe
so no
K.
@Kyll It's not Too Broad: Any answer to the question "How do I debug in Node.js" is answerable in a few paragraphs I don't find that a valid reason. In fact I would love to see that removed from the too broad close reason
Any question is answerable in a few paragraphs
just make big paragraphs
Hahaha
Well
I thought it was too broad and the community did too
And Madara kicked it out of the queue it seems
Maybe take a bunch of questions like this for different languages / frameworks and make one big Meta to histo-lock them all?
@Kyll your particular question is actually a candidate for deletion, since it's answered here nodejs.org/api/debugger.html in greater detail
well maybe not, since there are many different options provided in the answers
@TimCastelijns I don't understand why some think such questions are not too broad
08:32
fail
was sposed' to be tp-
Mod-flagging.
@Magisch Well thanks for the conflicting feedback. Now you need to make it up to Smokey.
Flagged.
@Kyll whenever mods step in (and they don't even agree), I take it as my cue to leave it and go do something worth my time
Heh
08:34
Now I need to figure out what Smokey watched and then I'll post my meta.SE question.
That user is still editing his questions. How he's making subtle changes like renaming variables to blah and similar.
Guys anyone up for a quick typo hunt please? stackoverflow.com/questions/38714618/…
yep
damn you didn't mention you wrote a book
2
I will go over it
can you remove the link to avoid concurrent edits
08:41
Thanks in advance Tim!
Out of edit time
I really tried to make it short, but to educate OP I needed to add a bit of details.
Thats not how this works. You can contact SE to request that the question be disassociated from your account, but by posting it here you have irreversibly granted SE the license to display it and others to use code in it. — Magisch 18 secs ago
He just posted about deleting questions because of confidential information. I told him to flag it for mod review
And I really dunno how those FGITW guys do it, it took me at least an hour to write this... maybe I type too slow or...
@SmokeDetector This works faster than you delete its spam people! Buy it!
@FrankerZ Thats not how this works though
We dont delete questions for that
08:45
@Magisch We don't, but mods might. If they choose not to, then he'll eat the declined flag
He licensed them to SE, and thats the end of it. Unless it gets deleted due to quality issues, tough luck
No, mods don't either.
@kay Reworked your bullet points
The only way to get it removed is if he isn't the copyright holder and the actual copyright holder files a DMCA takedown notice
thanks kyll
RIP edit
lol thanks @Kyll and rip @tims edits
08:46
Rest In Packets Tim's edit.
you missed a lot
Did I now?
no biggie
next time please mention you are working on it
Will do
@Kyll well not necessarily :P but I changed some things you didn't
08:51
Ok Tim, lets say it's now exclusively yours, if not I was wrong :p
Hm, my browser was somewhat lagged and I could mistakenly click the send request button twice... the second click happened when the window was blurring out, weird.
I posted the meta.SE post! CC @Tuna @Kyll meta.stackexchange.com/questions/283012/…
@Tim Nice edit indeed
@kayess I made many small changes, please review
@Kyll thanks boss
09:07
@TimCastelijns Thank you a lot! These edits are nice reminders for me: what to watch out for in with noob enligsh skills :-)
^ 3 comments still alive on previous request
morning Sam
Plop Sam
@Kyll Done flagging
Plop @Pet @Sam \o
People still use IE5?
09:09
qolq sam
@FrankerZ A barcode scanner...
Sam
Sam
o/
It twas a joke good sir
It's for a shop that hasn't changed hardware for a very, very long time
@FrankerZ why not... maybe even NetScape
09:10
@kayess I made a typo myself lol, fixed now
Netscape Navigator...now that isn't something I heard of in a long time
lets install it : )
Let's not
@TimCastelijns Yup noticed, but didn't want to edit it yet, to not have a race condition :p
Dang, that SE realtime page is so fast that I can't read a Q's title because it scrolls down way too fast...
It's not often you hear complaints from someone (apart from women) about something being too fast :-)
09:23
@TimCastelijns lol
@TimCastelijns I beg to differ.
mods incoming, everybody hide
Where?
don't show your mind!
oh right :P
09:29
mom is calling for uhh dinner, bye
I don't have a mind to show
Also, brb, owner wants to bring me for a walk
@FrankerZ - You are really lucky :)
climbs in tree
Hmm. I've gotto go..umm because I've got no one to make fun of..
I have flags like 5 days old. Get back to work @TheLostMind :P
09:30
Hides behind The lost Mind
picks @Kyll out of the tree and throws him at @TheLostMind
turns around mid-air and goes back in tree
Thats not how this works, you furry projectile
I have a pending flag dated july 26th :(
@TimCastelijns Those mods are real slacker aren't they right?
09:31
Geeze @TimCastelijns. They really are slacking... o.O
@FrankerZ - standard wait time is a week :P
@Magisch I have levelled up my air-control skills quite a lot
wafflez
Ok. ok. I AM LEAVING :P
I'll move to throwing @Tunaki at people instead
09:33
but why?!
I have to throw something
Kyll used to fill that spot
@TheLostMind But the lobotomies!
Oh, don't leave yet @TheLostMind. There's something...for you, one sec
@Kyll - They could get tuna'ed or Kyll'd or Pettered. You get the idea :P
@FrankerZ - its been 17.4 secs
You closed this post a while back and protected it. Someone flagged it for reopen
09:35
@TheLostMind Mortals don't get to have verbs
And there was a discussion in here that it should possibly be locked
@FrankerZ All "How do I debug in [language/framework]" questions should be histo-locked IMO, I'll bring it to Meta in a few days
@Kyll I agree no use to close / reopen / close / reopen that stuff...
Jon o/
09:38
Plop Jon!
@rene don't happy to have that link which has the "flow chart" for how the queues work? Might be useful to the OP asking about the "requires editing" thing on mso
g'morning all :)
Morning
Still too early. I need coffee
I got serial downvoted
How cute
Wonder if it was the guy who deleted all his posts
Also: All will be fixed when the downvote script runs
09:41
totally not obvious
Aww
On my top answers ordered by votes too
So adorable
Its like a little kitten pawing at me when we both know these paws can't hurt me :p
If the kitten was smart it would only DV a couple
09:42
You have new friends, welcome to the club
Probably one of the guys from review that I commented on
@Magisch Mew
I maxed out all but the Late Answers and H&I queues today
I don't see it attracting off-topic comments or answers. I agree that such "questions of historic value" which aren't useful should be locked
@TheLostMind At this point it'd be smart to lock it just to stave off the perpetual close/reopen war
@FrankerZ Thats an assumption. Also we don't talk about users here.
09:48
@Magisch - I think you should answer it :)
@JonClements yes, I was trying to find that .. but .. needs rep .. so got distracted ....
That's so borderline
Smart spammer?
does anybody know where kevin guan has been lately?
09:50
If so, that would be too smart.
Meh, it's tagged correctly, I'm going to give it an f
Even smarter than our presumably deliberately question-deleting AU spammer.
@FrankerZ Then should we edit the links
As the current links are going to some page saying buy this
Yeah put'em in code...
To what?
09:52
T did it
I changed them to example.com. I feel it's fine, makes the post look less spammy, and any answer he can simply replace out example.com for his domain
nice
Good
perfect : )
Wait: The name of the user mbb = medical bulk buy
That's a spam
09:53
@TheLostMind Answer what?
Well, he clearly works for the place. I think it was just low quality. He wouldn't be trying to mod rewrite someone else's site
No search efforts
that's not a close reason
Well, no history of link being used to spam before.. So, we will just have to wait and see. User account is 4 months old.. So slightly inclined towards the "not-spam" side
09:55
Yeah if does not roll-back edit that should be ok...
voted unclear instead
As it stands that question could be answered with a simple string replace :)
@ivarni - yes. Reimus commented about the same :)

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