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Ian
3:00 PM
or @Sam
 
@Ian what's going on?
 
Ian
@gunr2171 Tushar's and my reviews displayed by Closey as 59
 
Wafflez
 
Ian
We both have done 60 close vote reviews today.
 
@Ian I'm not sure but I've CV'd some posts out of Review Queues. don't rembeber :(
 
3:01 PM
@Tunaki Very discrete :)
 
@JonClements Very why?
 
:D
 
Ian
@Tushar ah yes, but I thought the displayed review is only for review..?
@gunr2171 hoho, yes... :D
 
3:02 PM
@Closey total reviews today
 
@gunr2171 Today, 7 members have reviewed a total of 368 items.
 | User                | Review Items Today |
 |------------------------------------------|
 | Ferrybig            | 60                 |
 | Magisch             | 60                 |
 | Ian                 | 59                 |
 | Tushar              | 59                 |
 | Mogsdad             | 54                 |
 | Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW | 42                 |
 | Wai Ha Lee          | 34                 |
 
weird
did you have a deleted audit?
 
Ian
deleted audit...?
 
an audit for a deleted post
 
Ian
hmm...not sure about that. How do I check it?
 
3:03 PM
how many audits did you have today?
 
Ian
I had 3-4 audits today
 
compare this list with reviews today details
 
My stats show 60 with 2 audits
 
Ian
@gunr2171 OK, what do you expect to find?
 
@TylerH I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
3:09 PM
Here's your missing audit
 
feeds jon some scooby snacks
 
Ian
@JonClements what does that mean? I audited it and then the post was deleted?
 
ok, so the deal with closey (because it's a <10k) user, is we can't view audits for deleted posts
 
It was deleted 12 hours ago by the system... since Closey can't see it - I'm assuming it skews the count in that case
 
Damn @BhargavRao. I'm out of flags anyway. Your turn!
 
Ian
@gunr2171 ah, I see...
 
@Tunaki Have 40 missiles
 
@Tunaki time to embrace your destiny and review CVs
 
Time to get Closey to 10k rep...
 
so short version, we can't do much about it :(
 
Ian
3:11 PM
@TylerH lol
 
short of pushing closey to 10k rep
 
It worked great for the Caprica Six bot
 
wow Flexo just cleared my 40 pending flags just like that. One click maybe.
 
Ian
Hmm... if you award bounty to answering bot, is it being considered as illegally transferring bounty? ;)
 
super termination of NAA.
 
3:12 PM
(she's not at 10k but she has answered questions)
@Ian if you're the bot owner, then yes
but if the answer is good and you're not the bot owner then it's OK, assuming the bot owner doesn't then turn around and use that new rep to reward a bounty on himself
IIRC you can have separate accounts; that's fine, they just can't work together because they're run by the same person
so no voting/bountying your own stuff from another account
 
afk for a while
 
maybe @JonClements could give a more detailed/accurate answer on that though
 
Ian
@TylerH I just look at Caprica Six bot. Rep 1490 - highest among bot.
 
@JonClements oh, and thanks for the confirmation there. helps explain that.
 
@TylerH nope - you've nailed it
 
3:14 PM
@Tunaki TLM did one sweep of 20 today morning. So mods do sweeps :P
 
@Ian the owners just logged on as her and answered some common JS questions, they get upvoted because they're good answers and because people tend to vote for accounts with pictures of hot women on them.
 
@PraveenKumar (imo that one looks more like its going to be "typo" as I am almost sure its a browser cache thing)
 
Can someone salvage this answer stackoverflow.com/a/36201660/4099593; It is not NAA
 
Ian
@TylerH I see... haha, just wondering about how the bounty for bot really works...
 
@BhargavRao On it
 
3:15 PM
@TylerH Thanks.
 
Ian
@BhargavRao done
 
@BhargavRao salvaged
 
Anyone from germany maybe? puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/29458/the-recursive-song (It's a link to puzzle if you spare have time, it'll be nice to have your ideas)
 
though I'm not sure it answers the question...
 
This comment thread is a mess: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/319656/…
full of conescension and non constructive tosh
 
@Magisch Must resist urge to correct name typo to "Help Center"...
@Ian eh, I'm not sure
It gives an accurate solution
 
@Magisch Mod-flag and purge comments. You on it?
I don't care about my declined flag count on Meta. It's actually really high.
 
Ian
@TylerH OK, I will just leave it. Not sure too, because I am not an expert in the area...
 
@Tunaki I flagged the worst offenders
I figure a mod will just wipe it when they see the flags
 
@Adriaan I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
3:23 PM
@Closey thanks lass.
 
Whats a "lass"?
@Adriaan
Is that a permutation of "mate"?
 
@Magisch dear/love
 
Adriaan passed a audit!
 
@Ian I just edited the question, I'll take a look at the answer too
 
@Tushar or just plain Scottish slang for "girl"
 
3:25 PM
@Ian: I think it's a valid answer. It looks like Ionic uses the "row" class for one of its components: learn.ionicframework.com/formulas/using-the-grid
 
Ian
@TylerH & @RustyTheBoyRobot OK, thanks for the input. ;)
 
@Adriaan :D I was close.
 
Ian
Link only answer with high votes: stackoverflow.com/a/966989/5666987 , I guess it is more common in the past (post back dated to Jun '09)
 
Adriaan passed an audit!
 
> I am passing some mock exams to prepare for my SF certification-Recruiting Model. In fact, i just want to share with you the result of my mock exam in which i got 18/25.
Wow nice answer
 
3:29 PM
@BhargavRao Congrats and Best of Luck for exams
 
The whole queue is plain POB everywhere o.0
 
@Adriaan isn't it [ios]?:D
 
TylerH passed a audit!
 
@AndrasDeak no idea 'bout tags, just noticing that everything has 3/4 POB votes on it
 
3:31 PM
@Closey total reviews today
 
Hmmm, Johan Cruijff died ...
 
@WaiHaLee Today, 9 members have reviewed a total of 462 items.
 | User                | Review Items Today |
 |------------------------------------------|
 | Ferrybig            | 60                 |
 | Magisch             | 60                 |
 | Ian                 | 59                 |
 | Tushar              | 59                 |
 | Wai Ha Lee          | 59                 |
 | Mogsdad             | 54                 |
 | Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW | 42                 |
 | Adriaan             | 39                 |
 | TylerH              | 30                 |
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Ian
@BhargavRao nice result... ;)
 
@rene no idea why the NOS decided that's a much better topic to plaster all over the front page than Brussels. Because hey, a passed away soccer player is much more important than a terrorist attack, innit?
 
@Ian Yeah, all bad stuff on the site was more common in the past
 
3:33 PM
I have Closey do your work dumb bot
 
@Adriaan yeah, makes you wonder what is really important.
 
@Tunaki * alert: run-on sentence ... does not compute *
 
@Ian Larsoned
 
@rene not only Dutch news, El Pais, The Guardian and CNN did the same thing actually
 
Ian
@BhargavRao great... ;) @TylerH ah yes, the site is growing, the answer standard also changed....
 
3:35 PM
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
guidelines is a mess
 
@Adriaan News agencies had time to prepare this item(sic) ahead of time. When it is due it is all about the views/clicks
 
@Ian I'd say yes. It is telling him the reason but not the solution
 
@Ian No.
 
3:38 PM
@Ian No
 
well it sort of is
"just check the names" isn't much of an answer
 
Ian
@Tunaki @Ferrybig @TylerH OK, I will flag it
 
like if someone said "hey my program isn't working" and someone said "check your code for errors" like OK thanks
 
Declined - Flags are not supposed to be used for technical inaccuracies
 
no technical inaccuracy here
 
Ian
3:39 PM
Then is this stackoverflow.com/a/36202722/5666987 also not qualified as an answer?
 
@Ian It is an answer also
 
Does Closey still track when we say we've cleared a tag?
 
@TylerH track what?
 
@Ian that's a clear answer to the problem
@rene when we used to say " There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[guidelines]""
we could see how many times a tag has been cleared by someone, couldn't we
 
@Adriaan You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 5 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 17 minutes and 43 seconds, averaging to a review every 17 seconds.
 
3:40 PM
@TylerH No, that is not yet re-implemented
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[guidelines]"
 
Ian
@Tunaki @TylerH ok ok... need to learn more about flagging... after all SO is my first online community =.=
 
Wafflez
 
Hi, I am very new here. I want to know is it ok to discuss flag declined in here as well? if not, please point me to the correct room. Thank you so much.
 
@ShaohaoLin sure. While we deal primarily with close votes, we are all here to talk about other site moderation activities
 
3:44 PM
@ShaohaoLin Hello! Yes, you can ask for feedback about a flag you cast here.
 
Ian
OK, then this is an answer, right? But is this VLQ?
 
@Ian Not for me. Looks OK.
 
@Ian Looks OK : )
 
JAL
Is this plagiarism?
 
Ian
@Tunaki @PetterFriberg OK... so this is an OK answer.
 
3:45 PM
Thank you. Basically, I flag this post for not an answer. stackoverflow.com/questions/35621852/…
 
@Ian Don't get me wrong. Maybe the answer should be deleted and it is of very poor quality. But, it shouldn't have been flagged in the first place.
 
got declined - a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it
 
@ShaohaoLin That's an answer, perhaps not a great one, but it's still attempting to answer the question.
 
Ian
@Tunaki you mean?
 
@DavidG in the comment session, someone gets upvote said it is not an answer
 
3:47 PM
@Ian Flags NAA and VLQ are not for wrong answers, drunk answers or poor answers.
That's the tricky part of the VLQRQ. You get to click "Looks OK" on a post, not bcause it is okay but because it shouldn't have been flagged.
 
@ShaohaoLin I can't guess what other people say or do, all I can say is that's the reason your flag was (rightly) declined in this case.
 
TylerH passed a audit!
 
@Gimby Something. That should and has been closed. Let's leave it! :) The OP doesn't care too.
 
@ShaohaoLin 3 user clicked Looks OK here. You're overruled by the community.
 
@DavidG OK, I will keep that in mind. Thank you!
 
3:49 PM
@ShaohaoLin You might also be interested to read those messages I left just a couple of message befor e:)
 
@rene It is 4 recommend deletion vs 3 Looks ok.
 
Ian
@Tunaki you are implying that VLQRQ is not for flagging the post if it has VLQ answer? Then when should we flag VLQ?
 
Use NAA and VLQ on posts that are 1. "Thanks" 2. "Me too" 3. "I don't understand your answer" 4. "I have another answer" 5. See link.
 
@Tunaki question, not answer...
 
3:50 PM
@Tunaki Yeah I will go to read the messages.
 
@ShaohaoLin Yes, but 3 Looks OK completes the review, it is not a majority vote, it needs 6 deletion votes to get actually deleted
 
Understand now Thank you
 
If it doesn't fall under those 5 categories, the post shouldn't have been flagged.
 
Keep in mind that we don't want to delete anything that might have some value.
 
Ian
@Tunaki OK, then it is enough to "recommend" deletion - though it is of VLQ?
 
3:52 PM
@Ian Recommend Deletion should be used if the post was rightfully flagged, NOT if the post should be deleted because it is obviously wrong.
2
 
TylerH passed an audit!
 
@Ian just press Skip at let someone else do the dirty work ; )
 
Ian
@PetterFriberg lol, the simplest solution of all...
@Tunaki you are saying that recommend deletion and flag come together then?
 
Yes. Recommend Deletion = You were right to flag as NAA / VLQ.
 
@Closey room effectiveness
 
3:54 PM
@TylerH 10 members (0% of this room's able reviewers) have processed 541 review items today, which accounts for 24.46% of all CV reviews today.
 
Looks OK = No, you shouldn't have flagged (but I might still cast a delete vote because it's plain wrong and I want it gone.)
 
@Closey total reviews today
 
@TylerH Today, 10 members have reviewed a total of 541 items.
 | User                | Review Items Today |
 |------------------------------------------|
 | Ferrybig            | 60                 |
 | Magisch             | 60                 |
 | Ian                 | 59                 |
 | Tushar              | 59                 |
 | TylerH              | 59                 |
 | Wai Ha Lee          | 59                 |
 | Adriaan             | 58                 |
 | Mogsdad             | 54                 |
 | Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW | 42                 |
 
Ian
@Tunaki I see... it is quite tricky to see the borderline...
 
Indeed...
 
3:55 PM
@Undo I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Hence
6 mins ago, by Tunaki
Use NAA and VLQ on posts that are 1. "Thanks" 2. "Me too" 3. "I don't understand your answer" 4. "I have another answer" 5. See link.
 
this
moderators flat-out decline NAA flags on anything else
 
Ian
OK, that means this is an answer - should not be flagged or recommend deletion?
 
@Ian Naturally Tuna is right but there are times "Yes it try's to answer" but I just can not press "Looks OK".... so I go for Skip.... knowing that it will be deleted (if mod does not intervene)... maybe because I do not have delete votes : )
 
@Ian Looks OK. It might need an edit though.
 
Ian
3:57 PM
@Tunaki OK...
 
@Ian that should not be flagged
 
@Ian Pretty terrible answer and it needs an edit, but I'd decline flags on that
 
Anything that is not under those 5 categories in VLQRQ is "Looks OK".
 
Ian
@rene @Undo @Tunaki OK, if I do not flag it then I should not recommend for deletion as well, is that correct?
 
@Ian Correct
 
3:58 PM
@Closey should @Undo be removed from the reviewer list? As a moderator now he can't access the review queue like we do
 
@Ian yes
 
@TylerH Sorry, I don't understand that. Maybe you meant remove [user id] from [group name].
 
@Ian Correct. This is exactly it.
 
@TylerH Whatdya mean?
 
@Undo isn't the CV Queue replaced by the moderator queue?
 
3:59 PM
@TylerH no, it is fine we want to know when he gets review banned for failing an audit
 
Ian
Ok, I have made some wrong flags so far... =.='
 
@rene ah, good point :-)
 
@Ian It's okay. Everyone has :).
 
@Ian we all have
 
@TylerH no, I can still do all the reviewing I want :)
 
3:59 PM
@Undo Ah. Then I expect the queue to be at 0 by nightfall, good sir! ;-)
 
@Undo you want to un-one-box that, please?
 
heh. Pretty sure the record is animuson's 1k reviews a few years back
 
@Undo do you just get the feeling they're wanting to see one of us fail an audit? :p
 
Ian
@Undo reading your meta post...
 
@Undo how long did that take?
 
4:00 PM
hours. It's in the Tavern transcript somewhere
 
@JonClements never, no no, not at all, no no why do you think that
 
@Undo I keep referring to that when Shog9 brings up the burn out issue :)
 
He should realize people don't burn out, they get withdrawal symptoms.
 
Ian
I have one more question: if I have chosen "recommend for deletion" do I still need to flag it as well? since they come in pair, I mean
 
4:05 PM
@Ian in the queue? No
 
@Ian No. That would actually be considered abuse.
 
Ian
@rene OK, but I should get to the post and flag it, is it?
 
I wouldn't consider it abuse, but it's not necessary
 
Flagging the post and recommending deletion could be seen as you trying to get more helpful flags.
 
Stuff is in the queue because it got flagged.
 
4:06 PM
And since it was already flagged, no need to flag it again
 
Ian
@Tunaki @Undo OK, so my impression is either I recommend deletion or I flag it, is that correct?
 
@Ian Recommend delete always, flag if you feel like it.
 
@Ian Correct. With the assumption that you "Recommend Deletion" if you would flag it
 
It's literally no extra work for anyone if you flag it
Except you
 
> If a user is caught doing this more than once or so, the user will likely be given a suspension
 
Ian
4:08 PM
@Undo @Tunaki I see, while if we don't flag it, there will be extra work for those who review the delete queue...
 
@Ian no, not really
@Tunaki I'm sure not going to suspend anyone over something that causes no harm.
So you get a higher helpful flag count. So what? It's not even shown in elections anymore.
 
@BhargavRao Looks like a really poor attempt at spam.
 
@BhargavRao that ^
Barh Undo'd probably.
 
Yeah; So NAA or VLQ?
 
4:11 PM
none of the above
 
Ian
That was quick
 
@Tunaki *Undone
 
@BhargavRao Don't worry. User was nuked already :D
 
Ian
By "Community"...
 
Fine; Thanks Undo :)
 
Ian
4:12 PM
I usually see Community nuke a post with 7-10 downvotes... but this time it was very quick without many downvotes. Why is that so?
 
Probably because a moderator that we won't name flagged it as spam / abusive.
It has insta-effect.
 
Flags from moderators are binding
 
Ian
I see... flags from moderators...
 
Nite peeps!
 
Nite Kay o/
 
Ian
4:14 PM
@kayess nite... o/
 
Bonne nuit!
 
There's another answer deleted that pretty much tells the same
 
Not sure we should be delete voting that
 
Any reason other than "I don't know py, So will not"?
 
That's my reason -------------------------^
 
4:30 PM
Ah fine, Can't prove that's wrong to Java fellas :-(
 
@BhargavRao Yeah.
> what does radiusPacketCopy.ZeroMessageAuthenticator(); do?
 
anyone would find interesting the aggregated close/reopen/delete/undelete votes per day per user?
kind of what we have now for up/down votes
 
Hiya @Braiam
 
Hiya o/
@Braiam Not really.
 
I had the idea because it will turn these kind of discussion more interesting by bringing concrete data meta.stackoverflow.com/q/319497/792066
 
4:38 PM
The table is messed up :D
 
@Braiam I did not quite understand your "skeptical" comment on the meta answer :|
 
@BhargavRao did you check the link?
 
@Braiam Yeah, But still did not understand. Did that particular user mis-use dupe hammer powers?
 
@BhargavRao We delete unsalvageable crap. Not technically incorrect answers.
We downvote those.
 
@BhargavRao read his about me
 
4:46 PM
@MadaraUchiha Ah Fine. I did not know. Thanks.
 
Thanks @MadaraUchiha that's a quick close :)
 
@Braiam A lot of regex guys have added that in their profile; Just to state that [regex] is all powerful... Hmmm, But true; Some cases might turn out to be bad.
 
@MadaraUchiha actually, we do
 
@Braiam I see it as an opportunity to tell visitors from Google what not to do.
You can, of course, do whatever you want with your votes, they're your votes.
 
4:50 PM
@Braiam Check out the other [regex]ers ... :/
 
> commentary on the question or other answers
asking another, different question
“thanks!” or “me too!” responses
exact duplicates of other answers
barely more than a link to an external site
not even a partial answer to the actual question
"wrong answers" isn't on the list.
 
@MadaraUchiha If that's the reason; There is a duplicate question that suits that answer
 
@MadaraUchiha err... in my experience that can be dangerous meta.askubuntu.com/q/7516/169736
 
Anyway, I'd not delv those in future.
 
@Braiam The difference between "technically wrong" and "actively dangerous or harmful" is big.
If an answer introduces a critical security vulnerability (say, "Just chmod 777 on all your files"), I'd say it's safe to delete it.
 
4:54 PM
@MadaraUchiha the thing is that there's a fine line there, you can be technically correct but expose yourself to harm while doing it
@MadaraUchiha oh, good that you brought that example: apache doesn't execute my php, halp? Just chmod -R 777 the /var/www
it "fixes" the issue by introducing others
 
Two answers have been flagged and are in the LQPRQ: 1, 2.
Are both okay?
I edited one when I reviewed it; now I am reviewing the second.
 
@WaiHaLee #1 is looks ok for sure.
@WaiHaLee #2.... I admit would flag it as VLQ if I saw it.
 
@Tunaki #1 looked okay even before I edited it but I'm not really sure about #2 since it's not so clear the answer is pointing to using Func.
 
@WaiHaLee Yes. "Func'y town" could mean just about anything.
 
@Tunaki I guess I should Edit then?
> Edit if you can fix all the problems with this answer
 
5:00 PM
@Braiam Yeah, those I'd downvote to oblivion, and even consider deletion.
Even if it's "correct" it's not necessarily "helpful"
 
@MadaraUchiha that's how I treat trivial rep whore answers by high-rep users
 
@WaiHaLee Now... by keeping OP's intent... is hard.
 
I know it's a border case, but they just agitate me
 
@Tunaki How about
> You need to be taken...to Func'y town
 
@WaiHaLee Yep looks good for me.
 
5:04 PM
@Tunaki thanks for the advice - I'll edit. :)
 
@MadaraUchiha I'm not following. How to downvote to oblivion? I've dv'd commented and waited quite long... :/
 
@BhargavRao Downvote, comment, and put it here in chat for others to see.
If the answer is as bad as you think it is, others will think the same and follow, without you saying anything.
 
Ah fine, I got the point. Thanks
afk - going for food
 
Plop!
 
> New Study Claims People with Higher IQs Don't Require Large Social Circles:Highly intelligent people became less satisfied the more time they spend with friends:"The findings in here suggest that those with more intelligence & the capacity to use it are less likely to spend so much time socializing"
so that explains everything
 
5:17 PM
@Braiam I have a feeling there's a correlation vs causation problem hidden somewhere in that study.
 
@MadaraUchiha Worst. Poem. Ever.
 
@Mogsdad shhh! He's trying to haiku lately
I hate when the studies end up in a abstract link ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26847844 instead of the entire study
 
@Mogsdad You obviously didn't read the first one he did in the room!
 
@Braiam onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjop.12181/full - in this case, full text was available (top right link on the page you linked to). In fact, the proper page on onlinelibrary.wiley.com has links to PDF, etc.
 
@Kyll Good poetry starts with "There once was a..." Everything else is drivel.
 
5:24 PM
@Mogs Dang, you almost got me to post a cheesy haiku there
 
I just saw a question in queue,
Had to ask, "Just what should I do?"
Of course, it's "Too Broad",
"MCVE" gets a nod,
Just one more post that is poo!
 
I love that I've inspired so many poems!
 
There once was a post,
Nobody much cared for it,
But one editor.
 
It sounds unfinished.
 
3 verses is short.
And I'm thirsty now!
 
5:34 PM
@Kyll Tarts out like a Limerick, then... BAM! Haiku! Well played.
 
afk
 
5:54 PM
> (body must be at least 30 characters; therefore this stupid text)
sigh
 
@BhargavRao Hate that! Almost as much as OPs insisting users DO NOT DOWNVOTE.
 
Lol; That's worse :D
 

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