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8:00 PM
@BhargavRao True.
 
yeah, that's what I did i.stack.imgur.com/ZhwjU.png
 
@gunr2171 Looks like VLQ to me. Spam is for advertisements. Offensive is for things like insults. That just looks like garbage to me. (Is LKI supposed to mean something?)
 
@AndrasDeak It is a user script :(
 
@BhargavRao :(
 
Hi @Louis o/
 
8:01 PM
@Louis o/
 
@AndrasDeak It does this i.stack.imgur.com/LvZip.png
 
user4639281
@Louis Shog recommends the Abusive flag for such content as it is an abuse of the system. Check overmeta
 
@BhargavRao ouch!
:D
 
@TinyGiant Not Meta. Linked conversation here chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/41570/conversation/…
 
commander keen ftw
 
8:02 PM
@Louis For garbage and new users it is spam, for garbage and old answers it is NAA
 
Start event:
yesterday, by NathanOliver
 
user4639281
@Tunaki There are also two highly upvoted relevant overmeta posts
 
Ouch: Forgot that there was an event today :( Promise to clean c-d tomo.
 
user4639281
The image... is above... the text.... which says.... it is.... below.... the text...
 
Starting...
 
@TinyGiant And below that, there is a feraking answer?!
 
@Kyll Yep. And not just a link-only.
@BhargavRao Lol those robo-reviewers.
 
And below the answer, a case of vampiring. Damn. Commenting on answer.
 
@Tunaki it's not evidently wrong...
 
user4639281
8:06 PM
IT WAS APPROVED?!?!?!?!?!?!
2
 
I guess the point was inlining the image
 
Typo fun \o/
 
and the editor messed up
 
@TinyGiant Warrants a moderator flg
 
@Kyll really?
 
user4639281
8:07 PM
I'd say it warrants a stick of dynamite in a place the sun doesn't shine
 
JAL
dat robo reviewing
 
I'd just be happy that no new garbage was introduced to the question...
 
@AndrasDeak I think so yes. 3 approvals on a suggestion so crappy is begging for a review ban. Do you want me or Tiny to write the flag?
 
I'm not sure I feel the hate on this one
I've seen so many crap edits approved, this is nowhere near
the only issue is the placement of the image, isn't it?
 
user4639281
8:09 PM
@Kyll Go ahead, I'm a bit busy right now
 
Busy writing in all-caps yeah.
 
and some capitalization...
 
@AndrasDeak No. The issue is that the edit was plain useless and fixed nothing with the question, and got unilaterally approved.
 
@Kyll I'd say including the image is an improvement
even if the question is beyond help
 
@Tunaki The comments are helping a lot, All of them link only and edited by OP to make a good ans... i.stack.imgur.com/N0WuD.png
 
8:10 PM
@BhargavRao Auto-comments? Yeah they do.
 
@AndrasDeak That's the point, I think.... "don't polish turds".
 
@AndrasDeak Oh yeah, that's a point of view. A flag would get declined then. Let's let the robo-reviewers review why not.
 
Ironically, having it approved and then disappear may be more instructive to the editor.
I doubt many of them ever see the reject reasons. But a sudden disappearance of 2 points, when the turd is deleted.... that they will notice.
Which is why I'm OK with skipping such edits, and letting the robots waste their votes on them.
 
Do you lose the +2 rep when you edit a post that's deleted?
 
@Kyll I'm just saying they're not necessarily robo
 
8:13 PM
@Tunaki I think so, if the post gets deleted soon enough.
 
@Tunaki Yes.
 
I don't have any affiliation with robo reviewers, they piss me off
 
Soon enough or yes :D
 
The only people they don't piss off is themselves.
 
@AndrasDeak Flag them. Find 3 of their worst approvals and raise a custom modflag.
 
8:14 PM
@S.L.Barth oh no no that's lots of work:D
I was only trying to play devil's advocate here
 
@Tunaki I've seen point loss after a post was deleted 6 months later.
Define "soon".
 
I was trying to understand the intense will of others to flag for mod
 
Alas, it's still "soon" in a geological scale. :P
 
Okay :)
 
@IͶΔ But is it also soon on a molecular scale? That would be more relevant to you.
 
8:16 PM
Molecular scale doesn't refer to time, it refers to location.
 
^
 
^
 
waffle
 
@AndrasDeak Once you see enough people approve crap, you will understand :-S
 
Spam flag by Tiny from the testing facility, hmmm
 
8:22 PM
@S.L.Barth I've seen a few, this is my favourite so far
I was really only wondering how crap this suggestion was
it's in a whole different league
 
> little changes, my first edit
 
@Tunaki yeah, very subtle, that one:D
unanimously approved none the less
 
> No changes, my first edit, plz approve, I give waffles to you
 
@AndrasDeak Take a look at this one: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/11142196
 
@BhargavRao but changes: "approximative" introduced to the English language :D
@S.L.Barth argh
 
8:25 PM
@S.L.Barth blargh
 
> [ . . . ] has approved 950 edit suggestions and rejected 10 edit suggestions and improved 2 edit suggestions
YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME
 
@BhargavRao lol:D
 
Go to rendered output and run the snippet there ---^ (From meta.stackexchange.com/questions/251415/…)
 
@IͶΔ welcome to the suggested edit queue
 
8:27 PM
@TimCastelijns @BhargavRao is this a well known Py thing or NAA stackoverflow.com/a/35587416
 
@gunr2171 Dude, this is hopeless.
That guy almost has a frigging steward.
 
Yep...
 
@MadaraUchiha You there?
 
> gunr2171 has approved 914 edit suggestions and rejected 923 edit suggestions and improved 213 edit suggestions
 
@IͶΔ Which edit suggestion did that come from?
 
8:28 PM
@PraveenKumar ?
 
My statistics are a lot interesting
How do you even check them
 
@S.L.Barth "my first edit"
 
@Drew pypi is the "official" package manager for python
 
@Drew Anything with a link to pypi is legit. Also that is not NAA even if it was not valid
 
@TimCastelijns k danke both
 
8:29 PM
Ich liebe dich
 
@PraveenKumar If urgent pls go to the bathroom.
 
@BhargavRao Sure..
 
JAL
afk for a 2 hour meeting (yay) then TF2 later
cya all
 
cya later!
 
und ich liebe dich auch
 
8:30 PM
Bye!
 
@IͶΔ Hopefully the Steward badge will stop them...
 
Amen
 
Ciao
 
Au revoir
 
Bye-bye!
 
Sam
8:32 PM
Cya
 
<insert-random-interesting-buh-bye-here>
 
</html>
 
Error tag mismatch
 
Parser error: Unclosed "insert-random-interesting-buh-bye-here" element
 
<!DOCTYPE html>
 
8:34 PM
I want someone to write </train> on the side of a caboose.
3
 
If you want to see robo-reviewing at work, take a look at the H&I queue :-(
 
</wreck>
 
@S.L.Barth Turd-polishing.
 
@S.L.Barth people don't want to take the effort to edit posts?
 
@gunr2171 What a surprise.
 
8:36 PM
@gunr2171 They don't really want to help. Some of them make the smallest edits, and not a single comment explaining how SO works.
 
: ( sad
 
@S.L.Barth The badge, gotta get the badge
 
@Tunaki Exactly.
 
I miss my VIC-20. Almost as powerful as Tiny's linux box. — Drew 18 secs ago
 
Sam
</welcome-to-life>
 
8:37 PM
But it destroys the usefulness of the queue.
 
> Best resource for serious Commodore 64 programming
Aw god.
 
@Tunaki You're in luck. Retro Computing went into the Commitment phase.
 
@Sam <botland>
 
@Drew xD
 
Going amazingly fast, too... I got a mail about it this morning, and it has 66 committers already.
 
@cricket_007 Nope.
 
@cricket_007 Seems the correct answer, but could use a little more explanation.
 
@S.L.Barth Agreed with the explanation
 
thinks whether to hammer the question or not to
 
hammer! Of course, hammer!
 
8:41 PM
@cricket_007 A new member. I'll leave a comment.
 
@BhargavRao what is that?
 
@BhargavRao Ha ha LoL.
 
> Thanks for the linked, I closed this question as well. Cya.
 
I am about to close that :D
@Tunaki Done
 
8:46 PM
I didn't have any in the cvq...
 
@cricket_007 Fibo starts from 0, IIRC
 
@rene Me neither. I had one yesterday.
 
OK, I'll move to the other tags to clear that queue
 
@BhargavRao What is "Fibo" ?
 
@BhargavRao Mathematically, no. It can start at whatever two values
 
user4639281
8:48 PM
Fibonacci
 
oh, of course, Fibonacci series.
 
Yeah that ^
 
Fibonacci
And it starts at 1.
 
user4639281
 
@Tunaki it's usually formulated as 1 1 2 ...
 
8:48 PM
THis is wrong ---> i.stack.imgur.com/D5Urr.png
 
user4639281
Ahh, I love having my userscripts
 
@BhargavRao wrong
 
Huh??
 
user4639281
:28925972 remove
 
8:49 PM
huh?
 
user4639281
Squi-shit
 
squish must be weird slang
 
@TinyGiant Ah...
 
@PraveenKumar "SqhuishIt" ... Smokey saw the last four letters, I guess.
 
8:50 PM
Fibonacci can even be found in your flowers in your garden: imgur.com/YTkoxZv Go count your flower leaves and it will most likely be a number in the fibonacci series
 
@S.L.Barth But it shows as 1 - 51... Er!!!
 
true that -----------------------------------------------------^
 
@Rizier123 From a research paper by the good guy
 
@BhargavRao See the video, if god really exists.
 
@PraveenKumar I googled it and got a list of God exists convert asap spam videos
 
8:52 PM
@BhargavRao LoL...
 
@rene Did you see this stackoverflow.com/revisions/31538185/3? it is a pretty good question in [c-d]
 
Got to go. See you all later!
 
Cya
 
That's the one!!! :) @BhargavRao
 
8:54 PM
One-box alert
 
@BhargavRao Yeah, I didn't touch it AFAICT
 
@Tunaki It was intentional. :D
 
Cya Barth
 
This should be closed as a recommendation? stackoverflow.com/questions/35587458/… It's a "tool used by programmers" so I'm not sure where the line is for asking about features.
 
8:58 PM
@BhargavRao I noticed at least one flag on this today, and just wanted to say that you can safely assume someone approving a vandalizing edit to a moderator's post will draw the appropriate level of attention.
 
@BradLarson primarily the attention of said moderator?;)
 
@BradLarson Woah Brad! You here? You have a stalker script? :D
 
Given that the troll responsible for that was also spamming me on Twitter, via email, in Meta posts, and in answers, I was pretty well aware of it.
 
@BradLarson I guess I saw your tweet on that too. Any ideas why he was targetting you and blueefeet?
 
well, at least it takes some guts to start messing with mods
 
9:02 PM
Actually, why I stopped by was that I have reason to believe that this user: stackoverflow.com/users/5517633/abdelhak?tab=reputation might be getting targeted by bursts of votes from people in this room. If that's the case, could I ask that this targeting stop? We've been getting some complaints about this, and I think the voting might have originated with some requests here.
 
But that troll user respected Bill The Lizard
 
@BradLarson Do you maybe have some example posts where such targeting occurred so that we can try and detect if it cam from here?
For example, if we notice that this user posted answers on several [tag:cv-pls] posts
 
@BradLarson close votes or up/down votes?
 
Let me be clear: We moderate posts, not users! See the FAQ
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user4639281
I don't recognize user accounts because when I vote on posts I vote on the content, not the context.
 
user4639281
9:06 PM
That isn't to say that someone is not stalking a given user and requesting close votes on their posts.
 
Glancing over this user's history I can see one answer here with one downvote on a post that got cv'ed by @Tunaki. Pretty slim. Not sure if there were any review requests. I am not seeing any other connection right now
 
@BradLarson Close votes? The rep tab doesn't give me anything.
 
@BradLarson That is definitely not okay. We do have in our policy not to request up or down votes on any post. I do not remember seeing this user at all but I am not in here all the time so it may have happened.
 
There are 0 messages in the graveyard with that user name
 
The username was never mentioned in this room or the graveyard, so there were no cv-pls messages about the posts from him.
 
9:07 PM
I can see @Tunaki closing this stackoverflow.com/q/35578415/4099593 where the before said user has answered. Nothing else can be found from the first 15 answers
 
@Rizier123 thank you durron for setting up the graveyard, now it has a purpose
 
Am I blind or am I not seeing it?
 
@Kyll Look at the reputation history for the last two days. There are grouped bursts of three votes on each of the last two days that come within a minute each time. I have reason to believe the voting came from active members of this room, so I wanted to check and see if there was any kind of a targeted cleanup effort.
 
@BradLarson Our RO and members have answered, all data is publicly available. We had no knowledge whatsoever of this user 10 minutes ago =| Strike that, Tunaki knew him. Bad Tuna. =p
 
there should not be any sort of organized downvoting done here. that's not our thing.
 
9:09 PM
Not sure if this is what you're after, but: from the Campaigns room (today):
in campaigns, 1 hour ago, by user1803551
did anyone notice this user http://stackoverflow.com/users/5517633/abdelhak?
 
@BradLarson I indeed noticed that user. I downvoted some of his posts in the last week but nothing targeted. I can justify all downvotes and they were not in the last 2 days I think
 
@BradLarson i downvoted 3 low quality posts from that user today and before that many months ago. prett sure i'm not your serial downvoter
 
@BradLarson The only thinkg I can think of is the Q's were [cv-pls] and people review the Q's also down voted the answers
 
@NathanOliver user was never mentioned or cv-plsed in this room or the graveyard
 
@BradLarson nothing of that sort is coordinated downvoting i assure you
 
9:11 PM
@gunr2171 Would he show up if he was not the OP?
 
I'm not aware of anybody mentioning the user until today.
 
@NathanOliver oh, I see what you mean
 
user4639281
Yeah I think Nathan is correct, he may have answered a couple questions that were cv-pls'd here
 
OK, cool. I'll keep looking to see if I can figure out what's going on.
 
@WaiHaLee i mentioned him today to be sure i'm not the only one who sees only low qaulity answers from him. perhpas i was just always falling on his rotten apples
 
 
user4639281
@BradLarson Just for curiosity sake, could I get the questionid's associated with the answers that were downvoted?
 
@BradLarson If you do find anything inappropriate coming from this room please let us know so we can fix it immediately.
 
@Kyll Not cv-pls'd but linked in the campaigns room
 
@Kyll nope
 
@BhargavRao Yes, confirm it was linked in campaigns
 
9:13 PM
@user1803551 Just to be clear - I wasn't trying to single you out - it just occurred to me that I remember following that link - much later than Brad was talking about.
 
Mh, seems like the downvotes do not come from review requests then
 
@TinyGiant They are the six downvoted questions from the last two days here: stackoverflow.com/users/5517633/abdelhak?tab=reputation (turn the filtering to "time" to see the grouping)
 
@NathanOliver I looked at the last 6 answers where the user was dv and I took the name from the asker and didn't found any of the 6 in the graveyard
 
35573702
35578415
35578653
35553764
35557659
35559899
@Rizier123 OK
 
@BradLarson Thanks. I confirm I didn't downvote those.
 
9:15 PM
It's too bad that this dup has the wrong tag on it.
 
user4639281
There are 0 requests for those in the graveyard. Checking in here.
 
In all honesty, the last one I can find where I downvoted that user is there: stackoverflow.com/a/35436402/1743880
 
@TinyGiant ... That would make a cool userscript, actually. Something like you input a userid and it gets you all associated review requests. Unless you can already use the search function?
 
@Tunaki Yeah, let's just say there's some history here that makes it harder to split out legitimate votes from targeted ones. That's why I was asking before handing this off to SE folks.
 
@BradLarson the 3 DVs on "Today" are mine and i stand by them. i don't think i downvoted anything else by him during the last 2 months. to be clear, i dowvote bad answers and if a user gives a lot of them i will probably downvote those that i come accross
 
user4639281
9:18 PM
Only one of those was mentioned anywhere in chat at all and that was mentioned here
 
@BradLarson "here", in this room? Or in this downvote case?
 
@Kyll With this user.
 
Okay, got it
 
@BradLarson Yeah. Well, to be honest, this user is answering a lot of off-topic questions that were consequently closed by this room or not so that could explain why he got attraction
 
@BradLarson While you are here I just want to make sure it is not a "violation" of voting. Is there anything against down voting an answer to an obvious duplicate or off topic question?
 
9:20 PM
@user1803551 If that's the case, may I suggest not downvoting multiple posts by a user in rapid succession? Even if the individual votes are justified, that rarely looks good.
 
@NathanOliver one should exclusively downvote low-quality posts, I think
rep-whoring with good answers is hard to handle
 
@BradLarson just to point out a possible explanation. the users of this room tend to lean towards quality standards and it will be no surprised of some of us DV the same question. this may look like group targeting, but it's just similar habbits
 
@AndrasDeak One should only downvote posts that are not useful =p
 
at least that's what I keep seeing on meta
 
@AndrasDeak That's the thing, his aswers aren't good (well the one's I've seen though).
 
9:22 PM
@Kyll yes, that too, thanks!
but good repwhoring answers are still useful, alas:P
 
gtg. I'll be back in about 20 minutes
 
@NathanOliver This is more a matter of personal opinion rather than site policy. My take on that is this: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/255861/19679 . I don't believe in punishing someone for providing a good answer to a bad question. I believe that this only serves to drive away subject matter experts and does nothing to stem the tide of bad questions.
 
@Tunaki bad repwhoring answers are free to DV in my opinion, with care as Brad noted
 
@NathanOliver TF2 then?
 
@Kyll Yes.
 
9:23 PM
\o/
 
@BradLarson ok, i can un-downvote 2 of the 3, and then re-downvote them in the next few days if that makes it look better...
 
user4639281
I always downvote low quality content regardless of the user, except when I have no votes left.
 
@BradLarson Thanks
 
user4639281
Bah I need to "enhance" the New Answers To Old Questions page
 
user4639281
Out for now, back in a bit
 
9:26 PM
 
@Drew not sure. Don't think it's a dupe of that one
 
@BradLarson here is another answer by him stackoverflow.com/questions/35573153/… i stumbled across now. i would have gave it a DV if you didn't warn me not to do it
 
@BradLarson Well one thing I do personally about situations like this is giving OP advises and tips to improve his question and when the question is improved and good I answer it. And then hopping that OP learned subconsciously that when he asks a question in a good shape he gets an answer.
 
@Drew yes
@user1803551 Yep. It's terrible, ill formatted and, as usual, only hints at the real problem without giving explanation with a "try this"
It's a constant
 
9:43 PM
Cya guys later, time to sleep :-(
Bye all o/
 
Cya
 
laters!
 
laters!
 
so not that I've been helping, but how's [corner-detection] going?
(I haven't been closing anything on that tag because I'm not sure those need to be)
 
@gunr2171 the queue was empty for me
 
9:45 PM
ok, same looking now
 
@gunr2171 I've visited every question and voted and flagged comments where needed
 
Back and all caught up.
 
@rene should i retag what's left in corners to where it fits?
 
so what about ones like this? stackoverflow.com/questions/20005118/…
 
I'm not sure when we want to do the final removal run
@user1803551 sure
 
9:48 PM
Every question tagged since April '15 should be tagged . Four of them are duplicates, noted by the OPs or by the "related questions" lists; one other just needs close votes. I would like to close those dups using my gold-badge privs on the tag. I can't do that if I edit them. Can I get help with the edits on the 4 dups? If you're worried about the ethics, read this.
 
@gunr2171 it is OK-ish, at least better then what I saw. And Op claims the answer also helped him so... leave open from me
 
@rene wait, is gone, or did i forget how to search for a tag?
 
@user1803551 that is gone already, yes
do you even pay attention ;)
 
@rene oh, so it's too late to retag
 
In that sense, yes
 
9:50 PM
@rene well, it's still in the tag list up on the right
 
I'm out for today, back later for tf2
 
@user1803551 No, in the progress answer I still have going
 
@rene ok, but how do you know that this is not the final form of that tag? most of us have nothing left to review there anymore. besides, the burnination of is complete. what happens to has no effect on anymore
 
@MadaraUchiha I'm not sure that's too important. I seem to recall hearing that SpamRam cares more about posts deleted by spam/offensive flags than it does when accounts are destroyed, i.e. the account destruction doesn't have a large impact on blocking.
 
9:57 PM
@user1803551 That is for us to decide. If we say, this is it. Then I'm Ok with that. But for example in cleanup we expanded the number of tags also during the clean-up
I assumed rounded-corners and corner-detection were similar to the legal example
 
@rene corner-detection was a tag i created specifically for the BR request and i retagged everything to it manually. rounded-corners existed prior so i didn't want to retag to it because it would cause a mess with the already existing questions there
 
OK, so we're done then?
 
my idea was to finish cleaning corners and then retag the rest to rounded-corners, but that's too late.
i don't know if we are done with corner-detection, but we sure are done with corners itself seeing that it doesn't exist
 
OK, can you go over corner-detection to see if there is anything left that needs attention?
I couldn't find much
 
10:11 PM
@user1803551 Yeah, OK
 
@NathanOliver i like how one guy came along and removed one of the unrelated tags, but left the other 2 :p
 
@cimmanon that was a real wtf moment for me. someone also upvoted the answer with only a link to youtube.
 
^that's literally an if statement, a try/catch, and a while loop (and also the obvious Integer.TryParse(text))...
 
@rene stackoverflow.com/questions/29317202/… too broad. i think that if i just add my own vote there it should appear in the CVQ when filtered. right?
 
10:26 PM
@user1803551 yep
 
oh, and it's not even that. all that needs is TextBox.Text.Length() and an event handler to hit each time the input changes
 
@user1803551 Is it really too broad though? The answers are very detailed and look really good
 
@Tunaki the question is too broad IMO. the answer is excellent. i don't see the conflict
i mean, it will go into the CVQ now and you can just not CV it...
 
Sometimes, I really don't understand: 5 downvotes, not even a single close-vote:stackoverflow.com/q/35589618/1743880 Or is everyone out of votes??
 
10:43 PM
@rene added a few more to the CVQ but out of votes
 
I already did my 40 votes, but I'll pick those up tomorrow, unless someone else wants to have a go on
I'm out for some sleep
 
o/
 
@Tunaki I voted to close as "incomplete debugging question" to bring attention to it
seems to be working, 2 close-votes now
and counting
 
@AndrasDeak usually when 2 or more people post the same message consecutively in chat, it is customary to also post the same message. this is called a "train" and it annoys the room owners, so we try to keep it going :)
 

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