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4:00 PM
which kids
 
The kids with the power
 
user47589
oh, those kids
 
user47589
i hate those guys
 
@Squiggle where's the [classic-asp]?
 
user47589
@Bardicer you want to desecrate our chat room with classic asp? what is wrong with you?
 
4:01 PM
what about [dotnetnuke]?
i'm just asking
or [silverlight] i don't see silverlight
 
You don't see it because there's no (silver)light. It's hard to see in the dark.
 
omg
The middle one
@Squiggle I found you a numberplate
 
lol
 
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@Sippy I don't get it.
 
fappa
 
4:05 PM
^ added coreclr
@Sippy The joke's on you, m8. I DON'T DRIVE.
(however, I can neither confirm nor deny these "fappa" allegations)
 
Lol
Driving Drifting is fun
 
Driving Drifting fapping is fun
 
4:24 PM
hey folks, whats happening
so...mechanical keyboards...recommendations por favor
other than das and CODE
 
Do you work at home?
If you work in an office you're not allowed one.
 
i'd rather not use mechanical keyboards for coding
 
also, anyone here actually use CODE?
 
@NicolásCarlo I do
Rosewills are nice
 
@Sippy yes I do but I was thinking of cherry mx brown switches and I've heard they're quieter
@tweray why not?
 
4:26 PM
cherry mx blues or go home
 
@mikeTheLiar thanks! any specific model?
 
make all the noise
 
1. noise
2. keys are harder, increasing fatigue
 
@NicolásCarlo Green 108 keys
 
@mikeTheLiar how do you like CODE?
 
4:27 PM
 
@tweray i've been using mechanical for a little under a year now and i can't go back to membranes
 
It's good, I like it. Don't know if it's worth $170 but whatever
 
@Logan i'm primarily becuz you are used to push keys harder
 
It's really heavy.
Hmm, I guess the greens have been discontinued?
 
there's also the feedback you get while typing. it just feels so much more satisfying
 
4:29 PM
and yes, when you get used to it, it's hard to get back, the key feedback is a different feeling
 
it says its out of stock, why would greens be more expensive than browns/blues
 
I think theyre less popular
 
well, i've heard blues are REALLY loud
 
yes blues are crazy loud
 
browns it is then
 
4:30 PM
you get the click of the key itself then the clack of the key bottoming out
browns felt crappy to me but ymmv
 
but still, that's quietly (or maybe not) adding fatigue to your waist, which can start to appear after you reach 30's or 40's
 
I like the greens but they are decently loud
 
I know this isnt a c# question, but I cant find the right room, so I have decided you must help me. Anyone here familiar with SSIS?
 
@tweray yeah I hear you
 
I'm sure my coworkers hate it
 
4:30 PM
my membrane keyboard is really taxing on my fingers now that its about 6 months older. I am getting sick of these keyboards getting old and breaking my fingers
 
@BattlFrog o/
Also the chat room on Database Administrators is pretty helpful

 The Heap™ – Consultancy ©®

General on- and off-site discussion for dba.stackexchange.com....
 
and for me, since i one-hand keyboard for like 50% of the time, it's even harder
 
@tweray i find myself pushing keys harder on membranes now because i don't get the feeling that i've pressed a key yet
also. can someone help me with wpf
 
@tweray typing one-handed, huh?
 
i shall try that. thanks :)
 
4:32 PM
0
Q: HorizontalAlignment="Stretch" not working in TreeViewItem

LoganHere's an example where it is not working: <Window x:Class="WpfApplication2.MainWindow" xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml/presentation" xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml" xmlns:d="http://schemas.microsoft.com/expression/blend/2008" ...

probably some limitation in wpf, i can't think of any alternatives
 
@mikeTheLiar yeah, i do that like... quite usual, sometimes right hand not even on mouse, just in jeans pocket
 
maybe one of you knows what i can do
 
@tweray yeah I'll bet it's in your pocket
(Typing one-handed is a euphemism)
 
ok nevermind this guy on the question fixed it for me
 
4:34 PM
@mikeTheLiar huehuehue
 
any Colemak typists?
 
@mikeTheLiar lol, bet you won't really do it in office do you?
 
They dont seem to be answering over at the DBA room. i am looking for a tutorial or something that covers advanced SSIS topics like building a package to move data from one sql table, split it up, convert some data, then load into multiple tables.
 
@BattlFrog what do you need help with? I am sadly acquainted with SSIS
 
get data from one db as datasource -> pour those data into target database temp table -> deal with the rest on tsql -> \o/
 
4:38 PM
I recently spent six hours trying to get something to work in SSIS until eventually I just said "fuck it, I'll do it in C#" and I was done in an hour.
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well i might just go with das keyboard professional then :| but CODE has backlit keys !!!! fk why do i live in a country where stores don't even sell mechanical keyboards!
 
@NicolásCarlo may the amazon/newegg be with you
 
@NicolásCarlo well if it's relevant the backlighting is really intense. I basically keep it at the lowest setting that isn't "Off"
 
@tweray yeah but i can't really test keyboards, if you know what i mean. i just have to order the thing and hope i like it.
 
that true, talking about that, i never tested my mechanical keyboards before i bought them too lol
 
4:41 PM
@NicolásCarlo where are you that they don't sell keyboards?
 
@mikeTheLiar - I'm not really sure there is one specific part I am having trouble with, so I am hoping to find some tutorials or some thing to read through, so I can answer all the questions.
 
@NicolásCarlo also check out reddit.com/r/mechanicalkeyboards
 
@mikeTheLiar argentina, stores offer to IMPORT them for you if you want to buy one.
 
does anyone know if you can create a desktop application with HTML/JS GUI front end (as an alternative to WPF) but uses C# dll's in the backend?
 
winjs can do it
 
4:42 PM
@BattlFrog that's pretty generic, I don't think I'm going to be any more help than Google in that case. If you have specific questions I'll be glad to lend whatever help I can.
 
ok. I'll let you know. thanks.
 
@tweray thanks I'll take a look at that
 
@NicolásCarlo this seems pretty comprehensive - reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/wiki/redditor_reviews
 
just keep in mind that it's windows 8+ only
 
Hi everyone, i'm having some trouble figuring out how to do something with Entiy Framework.

I'm trying to do the following:

Column1 | Column2
0 | 1
0 | 2
0 | 3
4 | 5
4 | 6
4 | 7

from table1
where Column2 equals (1 & 2 & 3)
select column1

Should return: 0

from table1
where Column2 equals (2 & 3 & 4)
select column1

Should return: null

from table1
where Column2 equals (5 & 6 & 7)
select column1

Should return: 4

SO says that in SQL this is referred to as Relational Division, I can't seem to figure out how to do this in c# and I can't seem to find some samples on how to do this ei
 
4:44 PM
@mikeTheLiar NICE, thanks!!
 
Anyone had any Perixx keyboards before?
 
ugh.. readonly sux d00dz
 
@RianMostert Your set theory is broken. Have you got that sort of code to work in SQL?
 
@Squiggle how is it broken?
 
@RianMostert you want to group on the broadest result you're expecting (Column1) and check which group of IDs corresponds to the value you want (grouping of Column2).
@RianMostert the example you gave cannot work, surely?
 
4:55 PM
if you realized, your code neither compiles in c# nor compiles in tsql
 
user47589
where Column2 equals (5 & 6 & 7) doesn't do what you think it does.
 
Oh no, that isn't real code
it's an example of what i'd like to do
 
@RianMostert start by thinking about grouping. e.g. table1.GroupBy(table => table.column1);
 
user47589
it would help us if you tell us it's pseudocode next time.
 
@Amy, apologies
 
4:56 PM
also when you're talking about data manipulation it really helps to use more concrete examples
be it fruits, cars, people etc.
 
@Squiggle, a "concrete" example can be found here
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15977126/sql-server-select-rows-that-match-all-items-in-a-list

I personally don't like doing that because I find it harder to focus on what I'm trying to do
 
I disagree :) but whatever works for you
 
I know, each to his own
I will try to provide a concrete example next time I ask a question though as it probably helps others to understand my question better
 
@tweray do you know if using WinJS require a web server?
 
@erotavlas no it don't. it's designed to serve local app
 
5:03 PM
@tweray cool
 
but keep in mind it can only create metro app for win 8/8.1, and universal app for win10
 
@RianMostert You've got two sets of data - your table, and your 'query' (4 & 5 & 6). You'll see the example you linked to uses GROUP BY and HAVING to do the comparison.
you're wanting something similar in LINQ?
 
kicks Razor
 
cuts foot
 
5:06 PM
1. Group by the column you want (column1). That will give you a collection of key-value pairs where the key is column1, and the value is a collection of all matching column2.
2. search these kvps for the item where the value matches your query
the key of that item is the result you want
 
any idea why this isn't working? .HtmlAttributes(new { ViewBag.CanEdit.HasValuel && !ViewBag.CanEdit ? "readonly='readonly'" : string.Empty })
if i do @readonly = !CanEdit ? "readonly" : string.Empty it's ALWAYS readonly
 
don't use string.empty, use null.
IIRC, MVC won't emit the readonly attribute at all if the value is null.
 
readonly="" and readonly="readonly" are semantically the same in HTML, IIRC
 
^
 
^ what @MikeEdenfield said
 
5:09 PM
yeah that's what i thought too
 
@tweray from what i just read, I thought they made it to work on any browser (not just Win 8/10 store apps)
 
@erotavlas yes, it works on browser... but in that case, you will need a server, and that became a pure webapp
 
@Squiggle also just readonly, right?
 
@KendallFrey genau
 
@tweray doh
 
5:11 PM
@KendallFrey just readonly isn't valid XML so it's "deprecated syntax" in modern HTML, I believe.
attributes must have a value.
 
@MikeEdenfield wait does that mean <br> is deprecated too?
 
but most browsers happily accept it
 
HTML5 doesn't care for your XML-compatibility
 
yes.
<br> is broken. it should be <br />
 
I'm still miffed that XHTML got dropped
 
5:12 PM
I believe in HTML5 they started making that distinction part of the standard?
 
@erotavlas or technically it can be a local served webapp, but still, you will lose a lot local app feature that winjs support, like camera access
 
I wrote an SO answer about this years ago, 1 sec
 
well, html5 is not xml anymore
 
50
A: Are self-closing tags valid in HTML5?

Mike EdenfieldIn practice, using self-closing tags in HTML should work just like you'd expect. But if you are concerned about writing valid HTML5, you should understand how the use of such tags behaves within the two different two syntax forms you can use. HTML5 defines both an HTML syntax and an XHTML syntax,...

the non-XML form of HTML5 has some kind of weird "auto-closing" tags
"void elements".
 
yes, it is weird... but the weirdness is publicly accepted
 
5:14 PM
so it looks like <br> and <br /> are identical in HTML5
so I lied.
ewps.
 
i still self close tags when i wrote html myself, but i gave up on arguing with others who don't, as long as it's validated, whatever others choose to do doesn't bother me that much
 
well, the problem with self-closing tags in HTML is that sometimes it doesn't mean what you think.
 
hello children of the corn
 
<div /> is not the same as <div></div>
the first one is treated as a starting tag with no ending tag.
 
really
 
5:17 PM
i don't think <div /> is even valid in html5, not sure though
 
but, of course, the browsers bend themselves into knots trying to figure out "what you meant" and rendering it right anyway
 
that's retarded
 
@tweray I feel like everything is moving toward HTML javascript, thats why i was looking for an alternative to WPF as the front end for my desktop app
 
I'm pretty sure that's how it works. The presence or absence of the / is ignored; all that matters is if the tag is allowed to have content or if it's a "void element"
 
speaking of retarded... I can't seem to get my dllimport working
I have some external calls, that use a dll import attribute. I appended the path where the dll is in my path var, but it's still not resolving. Any hints?
PATH environment var
 
5:20 PM
did you ask procmon ?
and are you sure your changes to the PATH variable are in effect for your application?
 
I had it working on Friday... idk what the hell changed...
 
maybe it only works on odd-numbered days.
try again tomorrow
 
lol
Or, on prime numbers
 
shit, then it has to work one extra day this year, you need to consider raise its annual bonus
anyways, are you able to see the exact exception message?
 
Is there a diff tool that handles zip files?
 
5:24 PM
@tweray code needs days off, too.
 
There are project file formats that are zip files with a different extension
 
you mean extract then compare, or just directly compare the binary? i assume the former
 
compare the binary would be best
ideally it should extract in memory
 
well compare binary is actually easy, it can be just a buffer reader byte by byte compare
 
The content is xml files
 
5:29 PM
if you just want a byte-for-byte comparison of the compressed binary then you can just use Windows FC.EXE in /b mode
otherwise:
3
Q: software to compare zip files

user496949I want to know any software which can compare zip files

^-- suggests UltraEdit's UltraCompare
 
@JohanLarsson i knew that this guy can do it, but it's not free
 
@MikeEdenfield, how will procmon help me figure out where the dll import path is?
 
nice, thank you, it is for work so no need for free
 
@MikeEdenfield THREE UPVOTES????
 
@Nathvi because, it will tell you every place your program looked for the DLL and did not find it.
@KendallFrey don't yell at me, I didn't write it.
 
5:32 PM
that's getting a cv
 
the best part is the only comment wasn't "this is a terrible question that should be closed" it was "you should go ask on SU"
it's a really old question. historic lock!
 
There's literally a close reason for that exact situation
 
perfect question & answer
 
did we have that close reason in 2010?
 
doesn't matter
 
5:35 PM
I agree but it would explain why it didn't get closed then
 
SO has historically always been more permissive than now
 
Do you guys seriously feel a need to close?
 
user47589
Feel a need? no
 
user47589
I vote to close questions that I feel don't fit the SO standards. give me the codez questions especially.
 
@JohanLarsson when already have the question open on my screen and it's close-worthy? sure.
 
5:37 PM
@Amy yeah, there are countless examples of crap questions
 
I'm not gonna go looking for old bad questions to close but if I happen to find one, there's no point in ignoring it.
 
user47589
^
 
What is bad about the question?
 
user47589
the zip files software question?
 
besides: I googled "zip file compare tool" and it was the first search result... and the answer was "just google 'zip file compare tool'"
 
5:38 PM
Perhaps not perfectly phrased but def answerable.
 
so the answer told you to run a search which just returns the question again. not helpful.
 
user47589
"Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow"
 
@MikeEdenfield Google takes me to stack overflow.
@Amy ok, fair enough, should have mentioned diff and that it is for code files.
 
still the same issue
 
opinion based, asking for software suggestion (off-topic)
 
user47589
5:40 PM
that... doesn't change anything, @JohanLarsson
 
user47589
its still off-topic
 
@MikeEdenfield, I've never used procmon, do I filter by the path in the bin?
 
this is a troll fest
 
@Nathvi I would filter by the program name, typically.
 
focus on closing the crap questions
 
5:41 PM
that is a crap question.
 
user47589
in my opinion, that is a crap question
 
user47589
what is a troll fest?
 
@Nathvi it's going to be a lot, though, so you might also consider filtering on something like "Path contains importfile.dll"
 
In my opinion it can't even be compared to the average crap question that is 84% of the hot list or whatsitcalled
 
VOTE TO CLOOOOOOOSE!
 
user47589
5:42 PM
so? its still a crap question in my mind.
 
It's not a bad question - it's just completely off-topic
 
@MikeEdenfield, ok
 
Wonder how many times that question has been reported as offtopic
 
@Nathvi it will make a whole bunch of calls to CreateFile() with different paths, and all of them will fail because the file's not there.
 
l0l
 
user47589
5:43 PM
Are you upset that one of your questions was closed recently, @JohanLarsson? why is this such an issue?
 
:)
I'm upset because I think it is a pretty big problem for SO.
 
@Sippy well, it's not really a good question... 1. any answer is going to become quickly outdated as apps come/go, and 2. the answer just recommends you Google for a list of software, but doing such a Google search returns... the question again.
it's just "in the way" of someone finding the answer :)
 
user47589
^
 
People who have to ask questions like that need to have their internet card removed.
 
user47589
teach them how to use Google.
 
5:46 PM
I remember how to chat!
 
user47589
yay Sippy!
 
Tried to edit the q, dunno if it got any better
 
user47589
you edited a 5yo question?
 
.... it's still off-topic
 
user47589
Your edit clearly changes the context of the question.
 
user47589
5:49 PM
don't do that
 
o good, it's working now, but I changed nothing. That's cool.
 
@Nathvi you're welcome.
 
best you can do is to flag to a mod and ask to migrate to here: softwarerecs.stackexchange.com
 
user47589
questions that old can't be migrated, i dont think
 
I don't understand... wtf! I don't like this. How did this change...
 
5:50 PM
@tweray turns out it would be a dupe:
3
Q: Archive file compare / diff software

AdrianI am searching for a software that will compare all files from two archives. It should: Mark the files that are different (have modification) between them. Mark *New for files that are not in second archive (or in one and not the other) When you open one of the files modified to show difference...

 
well, then... i don't see any way to save it
 
user47589
thanks @sippy
 
u welcome m1ss
 
Wow. That user has almost 20k rep, with 555 questions and....2 answers.
 
@mikeTheLiar GROSSSSSS
 
5:52 PM
that was how SO works during those days
 
There should be a ratio limit lol
 
Looks like they might have just been first on a lot of very basic questions.
 
Actually no
No no no ratio limit
 
@mikeTheLiar back then he was the first person asking all the questions :)
 
ppl were still quite humble and will upvote questions as long as they can understand it
 
5:52 PM
"How do u XML... on a boat?"
 
There are enough bad questions without enforced bad answers
My new job is to turn a really old legacy webforms project into nuget packages lol
SUCH LUCK
I can only lol at this
 
wat?
 
component architecture!
 
components with ALL the dependencies
 
YEA!
 
5:55 PM
Rewrite it in F#.
 
NO!
 
ok
 
user47589
sudo rewrite it in F#.
 
I don't know F# and apparently this 6 month deadline is already way tighter than they'd like rofl
It's cool I'm gonna impress the shit out of them so I can do something cool with Node after this.
 
Rewrite it in G♭
 
5:56 PM
I still have hope. Don't crush it.
 
rewrite in haskell
 
user47589
but crushing hope is what we do
 
Crush my hope I'll crush your panini
I'm a serious man.
 
... isn't that how you make a panini?
 
5:58 PM
right. It's 7pm. I'm still at work. I need to remedy this by going home.
 
Shhh
 
@Sippy how many hours ago did you say your new job was a greenfield project?
 
@Squiggle s/home/to the pub
@TomW That's how they described it to me.
kappa.
 
...a greenfield project with a load of legacy webforms?
 
"We're starting a brand new project and you're going to be on it, we need to discuss hosting and upgrading."
Upgrading made me suspicious
 
5:59 PM
So they DID lie! Makes sense. I wouldn't tell the truth if I had webforms shit either
 
Then I realised.
I knew there was gonna be webforms
But like I say
I'm gonna be impressive as fuck
 

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