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user4639281
7:00 PM
I'm out of comment votes too damn it.
 
user4639281
I'm just going to use flags instead then.
 
user4639281
I've got plenty of those left.
 
10 minutes later > oh man I am out of flags now.
 
user4639281
lol
 
how many flags u get a day tg ?
I think I already know the answer
 
7:04 PM
Me: 100
 
user4639281
100
 
100 here too
 
user4639281
It depends on your flag history, max is 100
 
I have 61 flags currently I think
I don't flag a ton
just kidding, I have 72
 
one day I did 100 thought my head would explode
 
user4639281
7:06 PM
I wonder if I would get a declined flag if I used a custom reason saying I wanted to downvote but don't have enough votes.
 
You might
 
@TinyGiant It only took me 10 clicks to get from there to Laniakea Supercluster
 
I don't know. Maybe show the likelihood that you will be fine parents?
 
Sam
Annnd the dev story post is at -4.
But not on the CB still.
 
7:11 PM
an A from a 3rd yr user : stackoverflow.com/a/34619084
 
@gunr2171 97%... Revelation soon.
 
go go go!
 
@Sam it should be at -100
 
user4639281
@TylerH lol
 
user4639281
@Sam again
 
7:16 PM
@gunr2171 RAAAAARglglgllglglg
 
failed?
 
Nope, doesn't work.
 
har har har
 
user4639281
@Kyll Doesn't work? Errors in the console?
 
@TinyGiant Same as before. I suppose that if I launch it from the CLI, it will work just fine but won't be able to join MP servers
Maaaybe it's got something to do with the VAC.
 
7:18 PM
Maybe it just wants to plop you
 
Now don't be so offensive
 
user4639281
@Kyll Why wont it join MP servers? I always start it from the terminal.
 
@TinyGiant is that so? When I try to join a server with the CLI-launched game, it tells me I can't because I'm not on secured mode. What command do you use?
 
user4639281
@Kyll I just run the command that the desktop icon launches.
 
Ah, the steam:// thingy
 
user4639281
7:22 PM
Have you tried running steam in the terminal then running tf2 from steam?
 
IIRC, yes I did. No console error. Let me try again.
 
I miss playing BF3. That was a blast.
 
user4639281
I miss Diablo 2
 
user4639281
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's based on a simple misconception how approval of edits actually works. — πάντα ῥεῖ 13 mins ago
 
sigh Of course it's a segfault.
 
user4639281
7:27 PM
Seriously? We're closing meta questions because people don't understand how the system works now?
 
user4639281
That's probably half the questions on meta.
 
At the very least, if you're going to close it for a reason like that, you should be closing it as a duplicate of a better question that explains the issue.
 
user4639281
^ that
 
oh 15+ gurus, can we please protect this Dreaded Diamond inheritance Q? stackoverflow.com/q/15132528/1816093
 
@Drew Done
 
7:31 PM
thx sir
 
@Drew I miss Battlefield: Bad Company 2
 
now this guy seems to get upvotes on every Answer. I give up on that it seems like stalking !
wait it is stalking
 
@Drew Why did that need to be protected? The user that posted the answer has more than the 10 rep needed to answer the question.
 
@NathanOliver I don't feel the need to mention that caveat on every request. The assumption is that I know that
 
@Drew shadowpuppet account?
 
7:37 PM
no Ty I think he answers decent questions so I said no bot bad bot
 
I was pinged here but the message is gone?
 
Okay. I just don't see why it needs to be protected. The guidance is Questions should be protected when they are garnering lots of views and newbies are adding "me too!", "thanks!" and possibly even spam non-answers.
 
I would not do that on a Q that has 2 answers
 
@Tunaki It was a message from @LynnCrumbling that was deleted
 
@gunr2171 do you have TF2 on the machine you are currently on?
 
7:39 PM
Hm, so that doesn't delete the notification.
 
@Drew decent question but he just went from 199 to 309 in a matter of 2 minutes
 
Yep - sorry about that - was just alerting about the meta post that had already been brought up.
 
@Kyll I'm at work right now, so no. And it runs Windows
 
Don't worry, I'll have my revenge... MWHA HA HA
 
oh, that's the association bonus for going over 200
 
7:40 PM
@gunr2171 Okay then. I'm going to try and replace what seems to be a faulty file
 
I know @TylerH I just don't know if I want to "go there" right now. Maybe someone else wants to.
 
good luck
 
@Drew oh, I'm not suggesting you do, I'm just musing out loud
 
@Drew The same guy on the question that you asked to be protected?
 
yes BR I think it looks ok
I am not saying it is
I just wanna do something else right now
 
7:42 PM
go kill some pixels!
 
<I'm suspicious> .... End of talk
 
@Drew There's a door in your apartment you know right
 
it's been a nice run at the slot machine hasn't it BR
lol Tuna
 
I've heard that if you walk through it, you might see what is called "sky"
 
Haha, True. :P
 
7:42 PM
@Tunaki that sounds like a dirty word
 
@Tunaki laugh
 
@Tunaki You mean the thing that sometimes rings with a pizza delivery NPC behind?
 
we have a nice sky here don't we Lynn
 
@Drew YES we do.
 
7:44 PM
A bit cold.
I could hear my car whimpering this morning when I went to crank it.
 
@BhargavRao Just poor answers IMO, the link might be a little spammy but you can edit it out
But the upvote
that's weird
 
@Tunaki I am thinking in the line of @Drew...
 
I think we all think that BR
 
ugh, that spam answer posted here earlier was declined by a moderator
but is the answer still there? of course not...
 
yeah like my flag for rude gets declined, the F bomb edited out by mod
I gave up on those flags
 
7:48 PM
well if there's just an f bomb you can edit those out
but "do you think I should be a model" as the entire contents of an answer...
 
I know. I was flag hunting. I admit it. there i said it
 
*queue gasps from the audience*
 
Damn, I want an option to "favorite" users
Wow... I have viewed SO 39000 times on my system. :O
 
I feel like that's a stat you only learn after it triggers an obscure bug
 
39000 times in 3 months ... Not bad :/
 
7:57 PM
39,000 times in the last 12.7 hours :-P
@BhargavRao Yeah, well, "SO is not a social network"
 
@TylerH There was a reason :P ....
 
@TylerH "yet"
 
8:08 PM
I am not responding to any of you anymore with an @ sign as this is not a social netw
 
Sam
(at)Drew ok.
 
user4639281
ARGRAGUBUI:BEGO:EBGEWOB daily vote limits.
 
@Drew Sorry, I don't understand that.
 
attracting answers
 
Can someone edit that into shape? I'm afk.
 
8:24 PM
tunaki --ignore edited
 
@BhargavRao you edited out the offensive part, but left in the "plz help me"?
 
@cimmanon In the midst of "large" edit.
 
doesnt really matter because the question is completely off-topic anyway
 
True that.
 
8:43 PM
ping @NathanOliver
 
@gunr2171 Somehow, for some obscure reason, TF2 seems to work if I start a local game before joining MP.
 
shrug...
 
How to root Smokie above is now closed
closed
 
user4639281
@Drew Please refrain from commenting on the status of a request as much as possible.
 
@gunr2171 I'm back
 
user4639281
8:48 PM
It looks bad to outsiders.
 
welcome back nathan
 
didn't know that "closed" looks bad. I will try to improve myself
 
@TinyGiant eh, saying it's closed is fine because it's informational
we just need to refrain from saying things that make it sound like it's good that it's closed
like "boom"
 
it's called saving people the effort of looking into it
 
@TylerH remember that a person reading the transcript won't have the same emotions you have
 
8:50 PM
they may have bad emotions for the close vote request
 
@gunr2171 irrelevant
 
user4639281
No it isn't irrelevant. The success of our goals is completely dependent upon the view from the outside.
 
user4639281
 
we probably shouldn't type 70% of what we type then, cuz it's informational
 
well that's not true TG
but we can save that conversation for a rain yday
 
user4639281
8:52 PM
Well, we've already had this conversation, we had an entire room meeting about it.
 
user4639281
The room was frozen and we were almost shut down because of things like that.
 
the success of goals is only tangentially dependent upon the view from the outside
 
user4639281
So I would thank you all to please watch what you say and think about how it will look to outsiders.
 
Great timing to have that conversation now
 
meh, you have it easy
 
8:53 PM
I'm actually with Tyler on this one, as long as we don't state it with ever post. Just neutrally stating the status of a post is a far cry from our room freeze.
 
@TinyGiant when did that happen?
 
nothing I said was remotely bad even to some crack head
 
@Drew hey now, leave the crack heads alone!
 
sorry, need to leave now for meeting : (
 
8:56 PM
@TinyGiant Thanks!
 
user4639281
Just keep in mind that if we start an uproar because of the way we talk in here we will be shut down.
 
user4639281
This is not a private chat.
 
oh, and does someone want to help this guy?
in The SO Tavern (Free Snacks), 1 min ago, by Ghanima
hi there, what's the appropriate room to discuss an SO "post appears not to be formatted"-something-something issue?
 
WHY WE SHOULDN'T MAKE AN UPROAR?
 
Your post was mentioned in the SOCVR chat room, where I'm one of the room owners. I normally advise users to leave a message in our room if things are unclear about close votes but you would have found the same users so that would probably not have helped. And your perception might be much different now but we are not a group of problem users. All our guidance is aiming at working with OP's to get their posts improved. Let's both agree that we learned a lot today. — rene 35 secs ago
cc close voters @PaulRoub @Tunaki @NathanOliver @PratikButani @MsYvette
 
8:59 PM
Bye, Gotta get up early tomorrow.
 
user4639281
@Braiam Because this room will cease to exist if it gets out of hand. We are in a precarious position of having a lot of power contained in a small area.
 
mmm... let me say something that I've said several times but not on internet: you are given power to do your job, do it!
 
nobody will ever have a good argument against you doing what you are supposed to do
 
@BhargavRao I know, thanks
 
9:01 PM
@rene u missed 1 :)
 
user4639281
@Braiam It doesn't matter if you're a voting mob or not, if you look like one then you are one.
 
@TinyGiant err.. ok. Seems like my counsel is being ignored..
I've seen this room as a bunch of guys that while doing what they are supposed to do, try to do it as efficiently as possible
 
@rene Sometimes I really wish it show voters that did not vote for the closed reason. I voted for a lack of an MCVE but since it was hammered It shows that I dupe closed it.
 
Oh @tripleee please see
 
@Braiam as a room owner Tiny Giant is concerned with perception; in the past people have perceived us as a Close Vote mob that just goes around closing questions one of us doesn't like, etc.
 
user4639281
9:03 PM
I'm not ignoring your counsel, I'm just trying to say that, while we all know that we are reviewing to the best of our abilities and doing our jobs efficiently and well, our language determines what we look like to outsiders.
 
user4639281
Even though we all know that we are not a voting mob, if we talk like we are then to everyone else we are.
 
I agree with him, except that I think informing us that "X question posted above is now closed" isn't something we need to worry about along the same lines as messages like "boom. closed 'em all! \o/"
 
@TinyGiant that's why I prefer not commenting ;)
 
a mod in our monthly meeting called us a voting mob. We are a voting mob. A careful one but we are. So deal with it
4
 
Sam
Agreed.
 
9:04 PM
@NathanOliver Yeah, there will not be any winners here so let's not try to achieve that. I'm not blaming anyone. What happened, happened, I don't think we could have prevented it
 
user4639281
We aren't a voting mob actually.
 
@Drew you forgot the ascii art:
> (•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)
 
user4639281
A voting mob is a group of people who blindly vote without reviewing, we are not that.
 
then deal with it with @MadaraUchiha
 
user4639281
We did actually.
 
user4639281
9:06 PM
Madara has come to an understanding with our point of view.
 
@rene Oh I know you are not blaming me. I just wished the UI was different as that is the second time today it has happened to me.
 
@NathanOliver yeah, I hate that, too
 
just don't sugar coat it. We aren't imbeciles
 
We're not?
 
I am. I said we.
 
9:07 PM
@TinyGiant I prefer to say that you are applying herd immunity instead
 
From here mob: a large number of people
 
we're more accurately a voting corps
 
user3956566
> I then ended up with a troublesome user that kept leaving comments about a different language,
 
so, I heard the python interpreter development moved to github
 
user3956566
9:11 PM
That was me
 
user3956566
he was referring to a null reference problem and I indicated this was c#
 
user3956566
I also asked for more information
 
user3956566
when he added the logcat, it was clear it was a nullpointerexception
 
user3956566
I added a link and explained there was a difference
 
@Mogsdad I would add to that: nor presents what were your findings on the topic
 
9:15 PM
@MsYvette yes, I reconstructed that. The OP filled a complaint on MSE, our transcript has a link to that post, all members of this room participated in closing that question. I don't want to to blame anyone, I want to be transparant.
 
Later Peeps
 
user3956566
@rene did I do the wrong thing? I got the OP to post more information and was querying if they were in the right language
 
Sam
Cya
 
user3956566
bye \o
 
@MsYvette The thing that stands out are the multiple links to the post in our transcript but as far as I see it you were struggling to get on the same page with that OP that due to various reasons felt insecure. And you were in the mean seeking advice, and figuring out what to do. In that stress situation things probably spiraled quicker out of control
 
9:22 PM
sometimes, I like to ignore comments for a while
 
@MsYvette If there is any advice to give I would have disengaged earlier but I wasn't there so I don't know if you had the time to do that
 
Sam
@Braiam Ignorance is bliss.
 
@Braiam Yes - like it's enough to "know" that they have already searched the whole internet...
 
user3956566
I left a comment under the post
 
9:26 PM
@Drew I don't think that you guys are a voting mob.
A voting mob implies pitchforks and torches and THIS QUESTION IS BAD! EVERYONE CLOOOOOOOOOSE!!!
 
@MsYvette OK, let's keep that exchange of comments in our mind if we encounter a similar case of events
 
user3956566
@rene it was getting answers quickly and it wasn't clear what the op was asking. so I asked for more info (as you can see in the comments). I also queried whether they were referring to c# (null reference) and when they posted the logcat understood it was a npe. Upon which time it was marked a dupe. Now that brings back a big issue of npe questions in android and dupe voting, which I have been hammering (pardon the pun) away to get a resolution from
 
cool that settles that @mad
 
Definitely a voting ring
There's a big difference
 
user3956566
@rene oh I had one of the answerers follow me around the site after that, because I explained why I downvoted his question and he also complained about me
 
9:28 PM
I just want to know where's the broker so I can bet on the winner
 
user4639281
@MsYvette Another reason to comment on content, not votes.
 
user3956566
Great because literally 5 mins before I went to that question I had email the community team requesting something saying I hadn't been in any trouble sigh the irony
 
@MsYvette "because I explained why I downvoted" why?
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant they asked why it was downvoted, I gave my reason
 
but I do respect the way @rene does explain his DV in comments
 
user3956566
9:29 PM
@Braiam my mistake
 
Shog should just ban the I (down|up)vote(d)+ string
 
@Drew do I explain down votes?
 
user3956566
I gotta go, take my daughter to the broken arm clinic. bbl ciao
 
user4639281
@MsYvette That's fine, just don't make it about your vote, make it about the downfalls of the post. (note this is just a suggestion to help prevent flaming from ticked off users)
 
Sam
Cya
 
9:30 PM
@MsYvette take care!
 
@rene yeah should i search on it? At the end you have a link
 
user4639281
@MsYvette Cya
 
user3956566
@rene wanted to let you know where I was coming from. and when I realised what the op was saying I wished him well
 
@MsYvette hope she gets well
 
user3956566
yep gotta fly (luckily I have wings!)
 
user3956566
9:31 PM
thanks :)
 
user3956566
cast comes off
 
actually, what are you talking with random strangers on internetz?
:P
 
@TinyGiant I completely missed that such things happened. This explains to me now, why I recently perceived a certain silence in this room. But it makes sense to me. I was just wondering, what I did wrong ;)
 
Sam
Wait, this is the internet?
 
9:32 PM
no @Sam, this is the internetz
 
@TinyGiant mm?
 
Sam
I need to ask my ISP if they can hook me up with the internetz then.
 
@Drew you mean this one You really should take the [tour] and visit the [help] to understand what we expect from our users and their posts. In its current form I see no other option to down vote. Please [edit] your question into shape.
 
Sam
9:34 PM
@MadaraUchiha :D
 
user4639281
And the answer there that is being upvoted basically says "Sure go ahead and close feature-requests as duplicates of discussions."
 
@rene one like this from you: stackoverflow.com/questions/34438944/…
but note, you summed it up in another one (that I can't find cuz the Q was deleted) that said This is the reason for my downvote (plus the link)
afk
 
@Drew that wasn't my finest hour
 
Developer story is still off the community bulletin, sitting at -4
 
Sam
Yep
 
9:49 PM
Need to go to bed. Cya!
 
user4639281
Cya
 
user4639281
@KevinBrown It has been oscillating between -3 and -4 all day
 
We broke it :)
 
Sam
Cya!
 
@KevinBrown do you think it matters if it is at -312 or +128?
 
user4639281
9:54 PM
I doubt it will stop them from implementing it.
 
user4639281
But they may move on to something else for now and come back to it down the road.
 
@rene It'll probably delay it by a month, looking at how the MIT license discussion worked out
 
6 to 8 weeks
 
6 to 8 random units of time
 
Sam
Oh look, another fgitw.
 
user4639281
9:57 PM
sd ignore- edited
 
Wow. I would have went with where nvl(id, 0) <> 0
 
user4639281
author edited the mistake back into their code, facepalm
 
@NathanOliver and that answer explains where (+) is normally used (or was in Oracle 6 IIRC)
 
Sam
Must resist urge to post snarky comment.
 
You can snark here
 
10:01 PM
@rene I am not sure about that. I still use where x.y_id = y.id(+) in my scripts and they are on 11G R2
 
user4639281
Removed snarky comment.
 
@NathanOliver yeah, I wouldn't expect them to drop that notation
 
Ah. Personally I find it better then all of the outer join text
 
i prefer outer joins, but then again, i usually use USING (col1, col2) instead of ON t1.col1 = t2.col1 AND t1.col2 = t2.col2
if nvl is equivalent to postgressql's coalesce function, i would expect that to be slower than looking at specific values (unless you have an index that uses the function on that column)
 
user4639281
10:29 PM
> please edit simple simple simple code in blow area.
 
user4639281
The innuendos are unavoidable.
 
@TinyGiant /me looks down
I don't see any code
 
user4639281
lol
 
Sam
Yep
I've seen this kind before.
 
13 hours ago, by Tim Castelijns
http://stackoverflow.com/a/34606171/1843331 10$ says my lq flag here will get disputed because reviewers be like "there is many text, this must be good answer"
Called it. pay up guys
 
10:40 PM
@Kyll Tf2?
 
@TimCastelijns I would never have taken that bet. Everything Looks OK
 
user4639281
@TimCastelijns It's an attempt to answer a question and does not have severe content or formatting problems. It warrants downvotes and delete votes, but not flags.
 
Sam
@TimCastelijns Me has no dollars though.
 
@TinyGiant do you think so? It just says "I have a solution that does x and y, it is located here <insert link>", at least in my eyes
 
Rob
@TinyGiant It doesn't answer the question though, it just says "I wrote code and it works, here read my blog"
 
10:43 PM
It's not even the right language
 
user4639281
@Rob It doesn't have to answer the question, it has to be an attempt at an answer.
 
user4639281
It is a horrible attempt, but it is an attempt nonetheless
 
Rob
Right, and it doesn't attempt to do that..
The difference between "Here is how to solve it" and "I solved it"
 
Take away the link, what remains? Nothing. Doesnt that make it LQ?
 
user4639281
Bad answers should be downvoted and delete voted, not flagged.
 
user4639281
10:43 PM
@TimCastelijns No, it's still an attempt to provide an answer.
 
user4639281
It is a horrible failed attempt, but it is an attempt
 
Rob
@TinyGiant There literally isn't an attempt to answer the question without the link. He's simply posting the results of his code, there's no attempt to answer anything without the link
 
link only and read my blog succeed @ NAA flags
succeed to get closed
 
@Drew it was a VLQ flag though
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
user4639281
10:45 PM
The guy tried to answer, and it isn't only a link
 
i am referring to Rob's comment above
 
succeeds at NAA flagging: Just linking to your own library (or utility) or someone else's is not a good answer. In fact it is considered Not An Answer. Linking to it, explaining why it solves the problem, providing code using it to do so and disclaiming makes for a good answer. See: How can I link to an external resource in a community-friendly way?
 
user4639281
Not all bad content should be flagged, not all bad questions should be closed. If we get caught up in just closing and deleting everything, it becomes very unfair.
 
Quote poached from Gunner, and tweaked
 
10:52 PM
@TinyGiant I agree with that in general, but not regarding this specific post. But we all have our own views and I can't take further action so I'll leave it be
 
I made 6 edits to Answers today to try to keep them alive. Such as going to the link and pasting relevant stuff into the Answer. Nothing major, but to give it some life support
 
user4639281
@Drew Always check the licensing before editing in code. For instance JSFiddle licensing is not compatible with SO
 
k
 
@gunr2171 yes
 
10:57 PM
I'm ready to go on teamspeak
 
ETA 120 seconds
 
@TinyGiant I don't mean to revive the discussion we just had, but you said "It warrants downvotes and delete votes, but not flags.". How does that work? Delete votes and flags (vlq at least) essentially serve the same purpose, to remove the post, right?
 
Sam
Huh, kinda weird not having any pinned messages up.
4
 
I'm carving something sweet :(
 
In general, not related to the post we discussed
 
Sam
10:59 PM
@Braiam Waffles!
 

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