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4:01 PM
try Path.GetFileNameWithoutExtension?
 
That doesn't work either, it is the same result but just without the extension. The MSN Docs say that GetFileName should return just the file name.
Maybe it's an error with that IDE, just did it in visual studio and was correct in the debugger
 
@KevinDuke GetFileName is kinda broken, it works with forward slashes
probably running on POSIX
 
ah.. interesting. Thanks
 
4:27 PM
most annoying window ever
i wish i could punch who ever made the decision to not tell you which program in the face
wrong screenshot, was supposed to be 'something is already using this file'
lol
you're a process explorer
oh burn
 
@ton.yeung why doesn't windows just tell us the process id outright? hmm?
or in the case of svchost, the exact service name
 
Someone pinged me for something earlier. What was that about?
 
@TomW luminati
There is 1 logo
1+3 = 4
 
Illoooooominati
 
Lol
 
4:42 PM
"Nobody would believe I'd actually be stupid enough to put our logo on a venture that was actually ours. They'll assume it's a joke. Haha. Hahahaha. MUAHAHAHAHAHAAAA"
 
Is there a trick to that site
nope.
 
@Sippy give it the secret TCP handshake
 
@ton.yeung OK, I have an oddball ng bug
When the use tabs to the next field, then goes back to the first field and starts typing, instead of replacing the text (b/c its highlighted/selected), the first keypress just clears the field
@ton.yeung try it out, the first name field. cry-real.usefinch.io/optumole/enrollment#/accountholder
Hmm, seems to be ng-minlength jacking it up
 
> Thou shalt enter a Last Name.
Lol
> Please enter a verification code.
Letdown.
 
lol
yeah, its routing back to my home pc
 
4:52 PM
@ton.yeung Ok I am back. Anyway, there was a strong science/math requirement for any BS major, which MIS happened to fall under. That's why.
 
firstname, type a few letters, then tab. then shift-tab to go back and press 1 character
Might need to reload, i was messign with it
 
morning duders
 
G'MORNING
 
No, the first character typed when going back doesnt show up
all characters after teh 1st work normally
If I remove ng-minlength="3", it works just fine.
Must be making it invalid and clearing the model value or something
Ive seen some references to it in the issues log, but the tickets were closed with no resolution
oh, well. prob going to remove min-length then, its not really that neccessary
 
5:13 PM
@TomW I am in SIEBEL training right now. Fun Stuff. Want to die. Window looks easy to break.
 
5:25 PM
So I work in big corporation, should i assume that my manager will be able to read/access my internet usage/history?
seriously..?
Once I met a contractor from atnt and his boss pinged him to not use gmail chat at work...
 
@ton.yeung i've never had a manager that was an tight ass about internet
i've been friends with all my managers, most of which are as immature as i am
 
one guy at work uses google incognito mode on his work pc at home - told him better to get a usb with an os he only uses to do what ever surfing he is doing
 
5:52 PM
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keep it classy, kids
:)
 
woohoo, i love sweeping
 
I realize I'm being a bit of a hypocrite, but I feel like that conversation crossed the line. Please continue it in the trash can if you like :)
@tweray I love swooping!
also @Failsafe I'm sorry... SIEBEL sucks
SAP/ABAP coincidentally is the same sound my butthole makes whenever I get an email asking me to come be a consultant for it
5
 
@Pheonixblade9 .. is it
 
@Pheonixblade9 For new app's with no existing data or DB's it's great. For everything else, it's horrible
 
evening guys, does anyone know if its possible to get websockets working with iis 7?
 
6:04 PM
probably not, nothing works with iis in general
in reality, they are not supported until iis8
so
you will need to use some third party tool
or whatever
 
simple answer, impossible
 
@tweray is it really though? there is no 3rd party tool out there that can do it?
 
@Failsafe you can host websockets on owin self host, so i assume there might be some hack to make IIS hosted owin to do that, but, after all, what's the point if you can solve it by self host
 
@tweray true
 
@ton.yeung thanks for that have you used it before? is it easy to install?
Web Server 2008
running IIS 7.5
 
6:10 PM
Anything is possible Matthew.
Anything.
/me creepyface
 
@Sippy then can you teleport a beer to me right now?
 
@Sippy I want to believe.
 
@Sippy I want to believe too
 
@Sippy I believe. I believe.
 
if you build it they will come
 
6:11 PM
Buy my book, CopyPasta.
 
@Sippy The story of a copier that copies pasta. Witness the unparalleled writing of @Sippy bring this warm hearted story to life - New York Times Bestseller Review
congrats dude you're famous
 
wow that's nice, and where's my beer
 
Woooooooooooooot
 
Hello, @tweray, look at your drink, now back to me, now back at your drink, now back to me. Sadly, your drink isn't beer, but if you stopped drinking coffee and water at work, you could drink 20 beers.
2
Beer, the drink your drink could taste like.
 
"If Oracle is to repeat its success in the previous technological era there is indeed a long way to go."
what's the fucking success of them except screwing bunch of ppl's life
 
6:23 PM
@tweray I wish i was a oracle consultant
they pay for everything
huge fucking salaries too
 
Hm. I want beer but have none. I also have the oven on to start dinner. Dilemma.
 
just go to the pub n have a pint brahv sorry
 
Only pub in the vicinity is gash
 
politics at work are different for programers. In hind sight maybe I should have took the anti-social role
 
@ton.yeung we have this one dude who is living in a 4k/mo fucking mcmansion on oracles dime
 
6:27 PM
They must have to have that to persuade people to work for them
 
gets like $125/hr
 
Speaking of which, anyone know Python?
 
who fucking cares i would do siebel all day for that easy dough
125 in his pocket
 
I have an acquaintance advertising a fintech position NYC for more than that
 
depends on where you work
here you come in at 8 and leave at 4
no stress
easy af
yea but bringing women back to a 4k/mo house at night isnt that bad either
i would take that trade off
this thing is like a 5br 3 ba house
 
6:38 PM
oh man
just stumbled through a phone screen with a really good company
I hope I didn't ruin it; the guy told me he was recommending me for an interview, though.
got another phone screen for a different company in a half hour
 
@ShotgunNinja good luck
 
thx
I'm kinda hitting up everywhere that looks like they have half a brain in my city
I'm so tired of working for companies that don't get software engineering
 
@ton.yeung I am now, im in SIEBEL training..... I work with consultants from oracle that's how I know
 
man
this company sounds somewhat interesting, but this recruiter is fucking incompetent
 
6:41 PM
in my dreams
 
@Pheonixblade9 I just got off the phone with a guy like that
 
I asked him if a phone interview was a coding screen, and he said "I think we should assume it is technical"
I know it will be technical, I need to know if they expect me to write code during the interview. I have to be home for that. Just a technical interview I can be in my car at work or something
 
half of the phone screen was spent playing League of Legends with the computer muted
 
the recruiter knows nothing about the position except for the description of responsibilities given to him/her
 
^ my guy asked questions off a sheet
 
6:42 PM
yea that's their job
 
I interviewed with a guy who came down from an hour away and bought me coffee.
 
that is also part of their job
 
It felt like talking with a fellow developer on SO
 
i had a lot of recruiters meet me at starbucks
 
idk
I know that it's part of their job, but the coffee dude just gave me more confidence because he knew what he was doing. I'd rather be interviewed by a dev than a recruitment dweeb any day.
Twenty-three is number one?
yeah, that's my preferred order
I applied for 2 a while ago, got to a first interview and was weeded out
 
6:45 PM
@ShotgunNinja the recruitment dweeb is to weed out people who wont be socially acceptable
 
Im thinking of applying again this week
@Failsafe true
 
a.k.a not awkward
people who can communicate efficiently
 
lol right
Thank goodness I spent some time figuring out how to beat Aspergers in high school
 
if there is one thing recruiters are good at it is making sure you can communicate well and are easy to talk to
 
I think I got that part down
I live in the city of bars; if I don't know how to make small talk and express myself well, I'd never survive.
 
6:48 PM
async/Tasks is the new webforms.
There are tons of unreasonable gotchas if you use it for anything more complicated than a demo app. And properly handling things requires a deep understanding of their arcane state management system.
 
arcane?
like magic?
 
like how results deadlock on UI threads or someshit because of continuations
 
Yeah, I remember learning about async/await back in college; it seemed like one of those things where the simple interface hides the complexity of the underlying problem a bit too much.
 
or like how UnobservedTaskExceptions crop up if you have exceptions in multiple tasks
 
Pros: Only a couple of keywords to remember. Cons: mystical state bullshit.
 
6:50 PM
pretty much everything i do for windows phone is async
every background task pretty much
 
welp, didn't get the startup job. Oh well
 
I'm not saying it's not powerful or useful.
 
So i have a meeting in my calendar, with the name "stretch items", what does it means?
 
That's an Agile term
 
6:51 PM
hahahahhahaa
 
probably didn't help that one of the interviewers asked me a bunch of totally random shit like "please write a regex to validate emails" and "please write a function that calculates a bitmask configuration value for a legacy Windows program on startup in Java"
 
for some reason all i remember about that action fgure is how bad the rubber smelled when it stretched
i dont know why
 
@ShotgunNinja yeah, I am mostly looking at startups atm.
it's difficult because I have a job and I can't just constantly take half days every week, lol
 
Right? Dude, seriously though, losing my job is probably the best thing to have ever happened to my career.
@Pheonixblade9 that last question sounds like a trick
also it sounds like bullshit
 
yea it does
 
6:54 PM
I'd say that I don't know how, but I'd express my plans to figure out how, and detail how to combine what I do know with what I expect to learn.
That's the strategy I came up with for double-unknown problems like that.
 
bitmask configuration value in java = decrypt a string on startup
they probably picked some technical terms from the docs to confuse you
 
How do you run it on startup? Scheduled Task launching a batch file which runs a Java command.
 
@Pheonixblade9 first question is bullshit. Almost nobody conforms to the RFC-specified format for email addresses
 
cron job
wait
 
@Failsafe the question specifies Windows
 
6:55 PM
thats unix
 
'valid' is up to the mailserver at [domain] and whatever the hell it wants
 
got another phone screen in 4 minutes
 
@ShotgunNinja yes. easiest way to run a jar
takes like 1 minute to write and schedule
@TomW just ask to see the /etc/ configs and if they say what etc configs walk out because real mail servers are set up in unix
 
then for the other things, computing the bitmask is just binary algebra, and there's the question of how to integrate that value into the legacy Windows application.
 
6:58 PM
you dont need to
they never specified where the value was
 
understood
 
it could be in blah.txt
that's their fault fr having shitty requirements
like most interview tests
 
right
 
thats the part i hate the most
 
shitting me? phone screener called from a cell with bad reception
 
6:59 PM
usually when someone asks a question about code i write i say if it wasnt in the requirements im not doing it
if they want a developer who ignores requirements they are going to have a very short lived career
managers hate that shit
 
just chekc my inbox and it displayed: i am invited to a Trash can chat room
yay!
 
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@JackyNguyen all the @ happened
 
@Feeds 3 articles talking about send a smile feedback.....why microsoft..
 
@Failsafe no, he was asking me to look at a byte and take a bit out of it to determine a boolean
I was just like "uhh... I know how to do that in C or ASM but not in Java, and definitely not without docs"
both of those questions are such bullshit, they can both be googled. Give me a goddamn design question
 
7:11 PM
right
 
so like
if 1 then true
 
0x0000100 would be true, 0x0000000 would be false. All the other bits are don't care
it's kind of a stupid "ahhah, are you able to do bit math in an interview?" question
 
in theory
i wouldnt be able to do it in probably any language on the spot
 
but when he asked me to write a regex to validate emails, I was just like "uhh... you do realize the actual regex spec is like 5kB, right?"
 
hahaha
 
7:14 PM
also, who writes regexes without a cheat sheet apart from @KendallFrey
 
it's not something I do every day
 
i do small bits
like
[RegularExpression("^[a-z]{3}$", ErrorMessage="Blah")]
thats the extent of it usually
even in client applications
at this high a level there is rarely a need for bitwise operators
 
7:26 PM
Guys so I am writing this query, it works fine:

(from schools in context.Students
// some kind of fancy joins
orderby school.Name
select new SomeLocalDTO()
{
SchoolId = schools.SchoolId,
FancySchoolName = schools.SchoolId + "**** -***** " + schools.SchoolName

})
.AsQueryable();

/// I have some fancy code here which will aslso take care of take/skip.

The problem is I want to do an order by after doing all the fancy code/ take skip. But the problem is I do not have school name in the select list, instead what I have is FancySchoolName. What should I do?
 
just select the SchoolName in the first Select, and do a Select at the end to only project the fields you want
 
I can not change the DTO
that is the problem
 
use an anonymous object, brah
 
I have to use the same object
 
from schools in context.Students
orderby school.Name
select new
{
  SchoolId = schools.SchoolId,
  FancySchoolName = schools.SchoolId + "**** -***** " + schools.SchoolName,
  SchoolName = schools.Name
}
.OrderBy(s => s.SchoolName)
.Select(s => new SomeLocalDTO()
{
  SchoolId = s.SchoolId,
  FancySchoolName = s.FancySchoolName
}
.AsQueryable()
I'm assuming this is pseudocode, but you can do it that way.
why can't you use an anonymous type?
 
7:32 PM
oh so you are saying, first i should do anonymous type, and then i should use my DTO?
Because I have to pass that dto to another method, not written by me, and hugely used by everyone
 
if you turn in a resignation letter, can you cash out your vacation leaves?
 
depends
on the company
some will pay out your vacation others will not
talk to your manager or contact HR
 
@JackyNguyen you should be able to, yes. It'll be in your employment contract
it's not law in most places as far as I know
 
it is entirely up to the employer
 
7:38 PM
@Obviously yes, that's a pretty typical use case. use anonymous types to filter and project things until you're ready for your final object
 
there is no law requiring you to pay out vacation time on termination
 
so take it now!
wow...
there's non-compiling tests checked in. I asked what was going on, coworker said "it's WIP and not required for anything"
you just... shouldn't ever check in non-compiling code. Ever. Comment it out
or am I crazy?
 
7:53 PM
Depends on what branch you are working.
 
we have one branch
well...
the team has one branch
 
Then absolutely fucking no.
 
there's about 500 branches each with their own environment
there's no main branch for the org
it's reeeeeeaaaallly fucked up
 
I just wonder every day
if the people I work with are actually competent
or if they're just good at looking competent
like... you don't fucking check in non compiling code. EVER. Unless the building is burning down and you do a final git commit git push
 
7:58 PM
Well it is always working on their machines ...
 
@Pheonixblade9 wait what? So, when faced with a fight-or-flight situation like a massive fire in close proximity, your instinctive reaction is "Must...destroy...website..."?
 
lol
well, my code is always compiling and I push several times a day (when I actually get to do software development, I haven't done much of that in the past month), so it's not a problem for me
 
8:33 PM
lol, there's a requirement to have a runtime-configurable config value... and these guys are checking for it via a background thread and polling to update a static variable. Super scalable, right?
 
Erm. web.config.
There's a filesystemwatcher in there. Editing the file is picked up on the next process restart, and you can configure it to trigger a restart IIRC
 
@ton.yeung I'd never use a bank without branches, personally - at least not as my primary banking
 
@TomW they want it so that it doesn't require a service restart.
 
though, from my experience, BoA and Chase both let you use Quicken direct with no charges (other than normal account charges, which can be waived), but I don't love either - though BoA is awesome if you get enough money in your accounts
 
@ReedCopsey BECU is pretty great for around here, though I use AMEX for everything I can.
 
8:43 PM
@Pheonixblade9 actually, it always forces a restart. Why do they want that?
A resilient application has to tolerate a restart at any time
 
@TomW because they have 16 servers and they don't wanna restart them all
 
@Pheonixblade9 hahaha, I don't like BECU - they're a pain ;) I do use a different CU though
 
Heh, they hold my auto loan. They have good service, local branches, and a good rate, so I use them.
if I had the option to use SVB, I'd use that
@TomW did I mention that they're bad at engineering here?
 
@Pheonixblade9 How's the value being set?
 
@Pheonixblade9 you did skirt around that notion a little, yes :)
 
8:47 PM
@ReedCopsey don't even know, they just want it configurable somehow
 
doesn't seem like it should be tough :p
 
it's something that might get changed once every few months
I think they just want a single config store because their DevOps are so shitty, doing a deployment of a config file is a nightmare
they literally have hundreds of TFS branches, with no real "main". Nobody knows how to do branching. Branches are shared by multiple teams because environments are tied directly to branches
 
\( ゚ヮ゚)/
 
How do they persuade shitty devops to support Nx100 environments?
 
When you finally get scopes working right with multiple nested directives that use ng transclude
 
8:50 PM
is that one 'environment' per dev?
 
@TomW uhm... they use lots of contractors like me?
no, we have test20 for example, which is being used by 3 teams.
so we all are using one big branch
it's TFS so branching is a pain in the ass, so nobody does it
oh, it's TFS2010 btw
 
I get to WFH tomorrow. Maybe I can get some work done
 
I have no work to do. I should just be reading up on JS bullshit
idk
I didn't get the startup job... doing a MSFT interview and another startup soon
recruiter told me it was technical but not coding
 
Hm
fingers crossed for MSFT
they look like a great employer
 
so I'm gonna take it in my car. I give it 80% odds that the first thing the interviewer says is "so we're gonna do some coding, are you in front of a computer?"
yeah, a friend of mine has a friend in the VSO dept
commute will suck balls, but there's a commuter bus that stops near my house so it might not be bad
 
8:54 PM
They do quite a lot of consulting work out of Reading. That might be an option for me sometime
 
yeah, I applied there when I was in college
seems Reading is quite the tech hub. I saw lots of Intel jobs there, as well
 
Surprised me slightly to learn that you can literally hire Microsoft-branded consultants to show up and write your LOB app for you
Even grandparents would recognise that as a safe bet
 

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