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9:00 AM
@AndyProwl topkek
 
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@ElimGarak yummy, delicious cat meat!
 
It is some special type of cat, though
 
a netcat maybe?
 
@elyse that's... new?
 
Grows up to be a bit different
 
9:01 AM
@AndyProwl he he
 
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@Mr.kbok Bite mon cul de métal brillant!
 
space before compound punctuation
 
@elyse no but really
 
9:03 AM
@LucDanton That is pretty good, albeit a little old. :D
 
Just like him
 
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@Mr.kbok :'(
 
what sort of DPI is considered to be that point where you get 'retina' style screen, where individual pixels are too small to pick out?
 
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10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
 
300+ is where it becomes impossible to see, for the human eyes.
Even at 220 it is extremely difficult to see. It'll be kinda out of focus, but the grid will emerge. (Surface Pro 3 grade display)
 
9:07 AM
It also depends on the viewing distance.
 
The notion of "retina display" is that you can't see it at any distance. Because it is beyond your eyes' capabilities.
 
@ElimGarak well, I wouldn't say impossible, but yeah, very hard to see :P
@bluefog well, clearly
 
reTina
 
@thecoshman ~250+
 
I am very confused.
 
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9:10 AM
@GregorMcGregor retina turner
 
Lol.
"Project is due November 2nd."
Finished project two, three? weeks ago.
Get rekt, class.
Now I just need to get concert tickets and go listen to a concert play.
 
@ThePhD you don't work, do you?
 
Nope.
 
that explains things.
 
> Template Haskell is a GHC extension to Haskell that adds compile-time metaprogramming facilities.
 
9:18 AM
user image
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woot templates in haskell
 
@LucDanton Liars! :)
 
as if normal haskell wasn't complicated enough
 
@AlexM. it’s not like that
 
@AlexM. it's not that really
Also look at that (I incidentally just found it)
 
9:19 AM
sorry if I made it sound like I was expecting SFINAE in haskell
you get what I mean
 
Do I?
 
@LucDanton I suppose it is the anti-thesis to saying "no"
 
@LucDanton lol, WTF?
 
I generated some lenses for a record yesterday
that's how I found out about TH
 
9:21 AM
@AlexM. tl;dr lisp macros
 
I liked the resulting functions after using the lenses
evalInstruct :: Char -> InterpState -> InterpState
evalInstruct '<' interp = set direction (0, -1) interp
^ supposed to be part of a befunge interp
@BartekBanachewicz so you went with the duck face in the end :P
 
@AlexM. Did you notice that evalInstruct takes a Char and produces an InterpState -> InterpState function?
 
@AlexM. oh yeah but I'll refactor it
@AlexM. ETA-REDUCE SHIT OUT OF IT
 
so like
evalInstruct '<' = set direction (0, -1)
?
 
9:26 AM
yea
 
yeah
 
I've no idea how you guys can read that on the fly
I have to parse it at least 2 times
 
Then don't do it
 
FUCK YOU LUC UNPLONK ME ALREADY
 
ahahah, luc plonkage
 
9:26 AM
why would luc plonk you
you'd make great haskell buddies since you know the language
 
@AlexM. That’s kinda why I suggested if you noticed the peculiar type. If you do, it’s nice. If you don’t, that’s fine.
 
luc doesn't like when bartek intensifies
 
lol
@CatPlusPlus yea I'll stick with specifying the parameter, easier to tell what's going on
 
Stick with C+plus
 
9:29 AM
Partial application is sometimes useful but doing that just to save some characters is silly and gratuitous
 
this happens ALL THE TIME
EVERY FUCKING TIME
 
Morning..
 
I'm so sick of this
 
@CatPlusPlus I wasn’t pointing it out for the sake of saving characters.
 
I know
 
9:29 AM
@Morwenn Mooorning. ♥
 
Just saying
 
@AlexM. he thinks I'm an overly emotional moron or something
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Gotta represent the opposite of Haskell community style :v
 
@Borgleader got a chance to play the witcher exp yet? it got released at like 3 AM in my area lol
 
9:30 AM
@ThePhD ♥
 
48 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I'm so sick of this
 
@CatPlusPlus Both styles are done.
 
@LucDanton Bartek is really sad and says he's going to clean your floors if you unplonk him.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I liked elim's comment lol, some people get ahead of themselves, bartek intensifies
 
What is a Bartek but a miserable pile of plonks
 
9:31 AM
I mean I get why he dislikes me
 
how the hell does one even intensify jesus
I'm laughing
 
it's just we often say the same things one after another
 
Question for today: why Unity UI loses track of focus sometimes
And why button presses work on one scene but are processed too many times on another
i love ui .png
 
It is not your place to choose your own targets.
 
Lounge<C++> logo and associated message do not reflect my views, they've been unilaterally placed next to my name by loungers.
 
9:38 AM
this is Lounge<C+plus>
 
Xeo
plutato
 
@GregorMcGregor my opinions are cicada's and in no way reflect the lounge's views?
 
@AlexM. also ofc evalInstruct '<' = direction .~ (0,1). I've just found a wiki as well
still, you'll gonna love monadic stateful lenses :3
 
The Haskell lenses thingy, is that something like compile time feature, like records, or is it like dictionary/hash table lookup?
 
@wilx It's records.
 
9:46 AM
based on what I've seen so far they look like convenience functions for accessing and modifying data structures
 
@wilx the lenses for records are generated at compile-time
 
So there's no parallel to the "final" specifier to prevent shadowing?
 
but lenses allow operating not only on records
 
@nishantjr No. Always use override, and turn up your compiler warnings.
 
9:50 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes alright... except the existing code base doesn't use it. :(
Any idea if there's a g++ warning for not putting the override in there?
 
-1
Q: C++ vs Java Inheritance pure and limited

tonifrighezWhy Java's inheritance (or better, most object-oriented languages) is said to be limited versus C++ one which is complete; and yet, C++ seems to be not as pure object-oriented as Java is? So, what does a language actually require to be mentioned as a really pure object oriented language? Edited...

What is the point of questions like this?
So you can't use C++ and wear a purity ring, big deal.
 
Good morning.
 
@fredoverflow Making sense of what authors and teachers are saying.
 
Java is a virgin OOP language
 
9:55 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmmm.. "Note that in C++, the compiler warns if a local variable shadows an explicit typedef, but not if it shadows a struct/class/enum."
Ah! -Wsuggest-override
 
@LucDanton Authors and teachers... I can't decide which group sucks more!
 
Well… authors are pretty cool.
 
undefined symbol: _ZN16AmSessionFactory8onInviteERK12AmSipRequestRKSsR5AmArg' - sometimes it's best to just stay in bed.
 
@LucDanton Maybe I should give up teaching for writing?
 
@fredoverflow Because it's Very Important
 
9:56 AM
@MartinJames You can say it anywhere.
 
@MartinJames Use a filter, by which I mean a coffee filter.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes My keyboard needs an anti-pizza-crumb shakeout again:(
 
@BartekBanachewicz Btw, fixed. Thanks for pointing it out.
 
Darn. g++4.8 doesnt have -Wsuggest-override
 
9:59 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes anytime. I just needed a link for an answer :)
 
Yes, I'm particularly referring to C++: The complete guide by Herbert Schildt. — tonifrighez 13 hours ago
rofl
 
@fredoverflow except that author
 
Thou Schildt not read Herbert's books.
 
> You're doomed to murdering things with pink!
I’m leaving it out of context because I find it funny.
 
10:17 AM
> I was looking for an easy way to retinafy an existing website
 
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@fredoverflow another downvote-everything thread, yay.
 
user1804599
Delete the question before it is reopened.
 
user1804599
Every question that is about object-oriented programming is bad, because "object-oriented programming" is not well-defined.
 
Do you know any website where I can write and test small code snippets in C++?
 
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10:22 AM
that can accept input
ok thank you
 
user1804599
If you want to give input to the program you can provide it by writing this in the command line (bottom text field of the page):
 
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g++ blablabla && ./a.out <<EOF
Hello,
world!
EOF
 
thank you very much
 
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Twan van Laarhoven sounds Dutch.
 
10:27 AM
@LucDanton I guess they also give attenders a whip as free gadget
"hooo programmeer hooo"
 
@BartekBanachewicz what's that, the inception of lenses?
 
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I want to program with infinite sets.
 
"nonono cmon programmer don't give me that shit now"
 
@AlexM. of van Laarhoven lenses, which were the base for modern Lens
man, this guy is 30 now
he wrote that in 2007
which means he was... 22
another quarter-life crisis incoming
 
So... Would a game mechanic where you can send off units and capture tribals as slaves (period specific and abolishment of slavery is a player choice) be offensive?
 
10:37 AM
Probably, but you shouldn't care
 
I think as long as there is a choice between enslave / uplift / leave alone, it should be okay.
 
Ell
@ElimGarak lol, I started making an offensive game like this
it was called "Slave Tycoon"
 
PRIVILEGED WHITE MALE MAKES SLAVE SIMULATOR
 
Ell
:D
 
Nuking a city full of people - a-okay. Historically accurate enslavement - no-no.
 
10:40 AM
ugh stupid ups, my package is lying in their warehourse in Warsaw for 30 hours now ;_;
 
Captured slave units do not count against your max units limits at any one point and they are free to "produce".
 
make them reproduce for unlimited units
 
@ElimGarak Civ4 had slavery as a civic policy.
 
Realism breaks the game, almost always. I was also playing around the notion of the evolution of currency from early to modern ages. By allowing players to create currencies and undermine each other via it as a tactical tool, it always turns out overpowering one side.
 
@Griwes what have you ordered?
 
10:44 AM
I like how the example has nothing to do with <remarks> msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/3zw4z1ys.aspx
 
Ell
@ElimGarak I think hisyorically accurate enslavement is fine]
 
> The Bazaar comonad, which is used to characterize traversals and to implement many combinators is equivalent in power to an indexed version of the Cartesian Store comonad from Russell’s “Functor is to Lens as Applicative is to Biplate: Introducing Multiplate”, which is called the Kleene Store by him elsewhere. That type goes back farther to Twan van Laarhoven, who called it a FunList in “A non-regular data type challenge”.
holy fuck
 
Are we talking about Civ4?
 
Ell
wut?
 
Don't you have an evacuation to attend to?
 
10:46 AM
@ElimGarak False alarm (of course)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Total War has let me enslave countless cities
 
@BartekBanachewicz a keyboard (...one that you will deem a waste of money if I tell you the model, so I won't :P)
 
@BartekBanachewicz hahah :p
 
@thecoshman But that is mostly figurative, especially in Civ. Here you'd send a transport ship with military units, defeat a tribe and enslave what remains, transport over, put to work, sell to other NPC slave-endorsing civilizations etc.
 
There should be like a tribal or group simulator
 
Ell
10:48 AM
@ElimGarak be sure to incorporate the fact that every fiat currency has failed so far
 
that van laarhoven guy has a good name
 
At least such policies can give NPC diplomacy a little more sense than them randomly declaring war at you or throwing sanctions your way.
 
@ElimGarak You'd get slaves as a trade resource for a while in RTW and M2TW, and they also counted as increased population.
 
Also, having slaves and then abolishing slavery could make some cities to go rogue and generate an additional opponent.
 
@ElimGarak That sounds really cool
 
10:52 AM
The biggest issue is offering the "paragon path" as a viable alternative. Enslaving free workers is enticing in almost every way.
 
@ElimGarak I thought the idea of slaves was to make life easier for you? This sounds like work!
 
@thecoshman send your slaves to do it for you
 
Also would you guys still love me if I told you I programmed Matlab now?
 
@VermillionAzure You don’t have to worry about that.
 
10:54 AM
> still
 
@Griwes Blackwidow Ultimate? :P
 
@ElimGarak soo... it's a normal RTS but with a slave resource...
@Griwes Ducky or GTFO
 
As I said, I won't tell you. :P
 
@Morwenn Also what is this music
 
The important thing is, the original delivery date is today... and it's still sitting in the Warsaw warehouse. WTF UPS.
 
10:57 AM
Every bit of new stuff you introduce mostly falls into the micromanagement bin every time you concept an RTS. Although, I am still entertaining realism enforcers like making messengers deliver commands in the early ages to the frontline units, which can be intercepted by the enemy and given different commands, etc. but just having fun with concepts, not really intent on making anything. And again, micromanagement, removing the abstraction of instacommand delivery.
 
@VermillionAzure All you need to know (basically its name and authors) shouldn't be a problem to find.
 
@Morwenn my thoughts exactly
 
Or capturing an enemy unit, after successful interrogation, getting the state of enemy cities it passed through when it was last there. My biggest problem with the genre is the fog of war. If only we could do away with it in a clever manner.
 
@Griwes inb4 Apple Keyboard
 
I call it the fart of war
 
11:01 AM
@Morwenn Oh wtf wow he's quite accomplished. I just assumed he was some sort of indie nobody...
 
ITT Cinch is an ignorant
 
@GregorMcGregor Are you kidding me? Try: "In This Life"
 
Howard "Howie" Hubler III is a former Morgan Stanley bond trader who is best known for his role in the single largest trading loss in history. His actions directly resulted in the loss of roughly $9 billion during the 2007-08 Financial Crisis. == Personal History == Hubler was born and raised in New Jersey. The son of a real estate broker, Hubler attended college at Montclair State College where he played football. Sometime in the late 1990's, Hubler became a trader at Morgan Stanley trading bonds. == History with Morgan Stanley == Coming onboard with Morgan Stanley sometime in the late 1990's...
A whole load of WTF ^^ @kbok @GregorMcGregor @Mysticial
 
argh, apparently that means it still didn't clear customs? wtf
 
@VermillionAzure He's not as known as he used to be, but still...
 
11:02 AM
Why would you "import scan" it if it didn't clear customs yet
 
@TonyTheLion /cc Mysticial
 
> He was paid $10 million in back pay upon his departure.
 
Also why the heck would it still be reviewed by customs.
 
It kinda takes a while, the customs review. It's basically laziness.
 
@Morwenn This guy's music is cool; thanks for the link
 
11:03 AM
@ElimGarak ye
 
@VermillionAzure No problem.
 
Should've been $9 million, symbolic.
 
@GregorMcGregor imgur.com/a/F9hRS
Came here to post THIS
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@ElimGarak Looks like people are still sexier now and in H! D!
 
@Rapptz very good
I laughed
 
11:13 AM
@Rapptz This is a work of art
 
@Rapptz I'll save that for when I get home
 
🌽 "not everyone's mathingy-majiggy but it happens to be a central part of who I am and I don't see the point of hiding it anymore" DIAPERS
 
@GregorMcGregor thanks
 
🌽🌽🌽🌽
 
11:16 AM
@ElimGarak don't push it
 
Free corn for everyone
 
😔 😔 😩 😅
 
Why is Rapptz replying to himself
 
@GregorMcGregor whoosh?
 
@Rapptz do you ever mistake me with yourself?
 
11:17 AM
No.
2
My name is in italics.
 
k
aww
 
rekt
 
rekt
 
Xeo
Owner names are italic and yellow/gold for me
Smurf names are italic and blue
 
Ohhhhhhh
 
11:18 AM
@TonyTheLion haha yeah I knew about this guy
 
@BartekBanachewicz pssst so about Haskeel
 
@VermillionAzure ??
 
@Mr.kbok crazy stuff
 
@GregorMcGregor Rapptz is not replying to himself?
 
He is
4 mins ago, by Alex M.
@Rapptz I'll save that for when I get home
see?
 
11:19 AM
@GregorMcGregor ???
 
?????????????????????
 
Wait they're the same person?
 
ITT Cinch needs sleep
 
@bluefog God damn it no I'm the most productive right now than the entire last two months
Walking 17 flights of stairs has given me new resolve in life
As well as... plotting the step repsonse to a band-pass filter... QQ
 
And a mid-stairwell crisis?
5
 
11:21 AM
@CatPlusPlus PERFECT
 
Well, duh
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm 125lb you know... (not that fat yet...)
 
I don't know what that is
 
@CatPlusPlus obviously freedom units
 
57kg
 
11:22 AM
Guess how tall I am
 
PI cm
No that's Pysticial
 
@GregorMcGregor 🌽
 
@VermillionAzure what about it
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are there different assembly semantics than the usual C and stack-based one?
 
@VermillionAzure different WHAT
than the usual what and what
 
11:25 AM
grabs popcorn
 
@BartekBanachewicz You know how you push the stack in C and then do stuff and then jump and link and go to the function label and then return by placing your return values on the stack and then jumping back to the return address?
 
Are there different assembly semantics that use several register sets in order to parallelize the RAM heap I/O with an out-of-order priority insertion queue?
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@GregorMcGregor exactly what I mean
 
What you are asking about is named "calling conventions" btw
 
And will it blend
 
11:27 AM
@VermillionAzure dumbness units you mean
 
@GregorMcGregor Thanks for the correct name
Yeah so um does Haskell use different calling semantics at the assembly level?
 
Yes no maybe who cares
 
@VermillionAzure he just told you it's called "calling conventions" not "calling semantics"
 
@GregorMcGregor great. so, where can we read them?
 
11:34 AM
@VermillionAzure internally it's magic, but it can generate such "calling points" via the FFI exposition mechanicsm
 
"Internally" it doesn't make CPU not behave like a CPU
He's asking about implementation details
(They're fairly irrelevant but ~at the assembly level~ everything is assembly and therefore behaves like assembly)
Why is tea so expensive
 
It just makes me wonder if some language has gone away from the normal C stack frames
 
That's an entirely different question
And yes, you don't need C frames to do anything
 
@VermillionAzure compile a haskell program to assembly and see for yourself?
 
And it's still implementation details and not a language-related thing
CPython uses C frames, Stackless Python doesn't
Both implement the same language
 
11:54 AM
@Abyx In about half an hour.
 

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