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7:00 AM
I could cap a point all day every day
 
yeah well that was exactly the problem
it was a full cc builds with turrets
 
Only 1 :D, heal was actually elixir
 
I mean the PvP problem
 
there was (is? fuck I don’t even know) a trait that made turrets knockback
so put everything on point, rifle and turret blast away anyone that comes close
 
7:01 AM
Yes when they explode <3
They don't knockback anymore, they nerfed it to push back
What you call soft cc I suppose
 
Oh I meant that, knockback is not a thing it’s knockdown.
 
Thumber still knockbacks though
hurray for thumper
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva No they’re all the same. Knockdown, stun, float (lol), sink, push and pull are all countered by stab and stunbreaks.
 
Yes they are interruptible now
which sucks
 
Soft CC is cripple, chill, slow foremost and are all conditions; immob and fear are intermediate because they’re more like hard CCs (you can stunbreak fear) but are still condis.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva It’s been like that for a long time. The only real change they did was clarify the terminology because they would use terms like knockback, blowout, push when they’re more or less the same thing.
'Launch' too lol.
Damn it’s still the same. Launch affects downed targets but knockback doesn’t. wtf anet
It’s knockdown and stun which are interchangeable then I guess.
 
7:06 AM
Yes, good old ram'ing a downed guy over the edge
I played Skyhammer nearly exclusively for a while, with elixir, rifle, mine, toolkit. Am I a bad person.
 
disgusting
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva yes
 
There’s a voting system for ranked queue, I wonder if you can pick SH
> Skyhammer, Spirit Watch, and Courtyard will be removed from the rated arenas when the season starts. Unfortunately that means we have to play them for another month.
rip (from 9 months ago)
 
spirit watch was v nice too
courtyard never heard of
 
It’s a team deathmatch map, it’s not conquest
SW is borderline TDM so I think that’s why it’s not on the rotation
 
7:15 AM
They seriously need to make more maps also
 
Oh yeah
3-year old PvP: new PvP game mode coming out
all I know about it is that it’s DotAesque
and that they might have overdone the PvE vs PvE aspect (i.e. support your mobs pushing instead of engaging, well, other players)
 
that was the first beta, dunno if they updated it
 
Tell me if the expansion is worth it, I'll resign and go back to Brittany to play vidyas
 
k
You care about open world/exploration first and foremost then right?
 
7:23 AM
Yes
 
Common interest so that’ll be perfect.
 
I care about being in fantastic universe (fantastique au sens premier)
 
I hope mastering the jungle will be fun.
 
inb4 mosquitoes
 
Yeah, probably. Hylek mastery would help with poison I think.
Do you care for the new profession? You don’t play everything already right?
 
7:25 AM
I haven't really checked the new profession and no I haven't maxed all my alts yet
I want to invest more time on my salads
I really CBA about guardian and warrior and ranger though
So maybe if the new profession is fun I'll make it a salad too
 
np I’ll not comment no that and the specializations then
 
Ah yeah specializations, I forget.
 
sbi
Good morning, folks.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva lots of necro folks have their hopes riding on reaper, not me though
 
7:28 AM
riper
 
sbi
Erm. Who are you, @Anastasiya, that you know German? (And me!?) Have I known you under a different name?
 
Not entirely impossible
 
No german, it was meant to be
 
yaawn
back at work
 
Morning guys!!
 
7:36 AM
Speaking of Germans those are the worst possible servers to play against
 
was blobbed all week end long
reportedly we’re not supposed to be that far behind that particular world but I guess it’s because we’re in the off-season
 
Yeah september obliges
 
Everyone’s a bit tired after three years though, HoT will be very welcome :) The F2P move led to an influx of new players so it’s still lively on the maps but it didn’t upset the status quo either
 
I'm bored.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva This is a great test.
Why is it starred :(
It works!
 
Meanwhile, WoW is at its 6th expansion lol
@Rapptz Because it's great.
 
7:42 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva One per year, too.
 
tfw no way to turn a C++ name to a mangled name.
clang pls
expose your APIs to me
 
user1804599
clang_Cursor_getMangling noob
 
> Il avait alors choisi de démissionner en août après avoir espérant obtenir un nouveau mandat plus solide.
parse error
 
That takes a Cursor.
Oh btw @LucDanton do you use napoleon?
 
doesn't matter you're still a noob
 
Sep 8 at 23:41, by Luc Danton
Speaking of reST I actually used napoleon to use the Google style.
 
hmm I must have missed that.
 
you didn’t seem very interested at the time so I didn’t press :v
 
sbi
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva That's too krüptik for me.
 
I'm not sure how to do e.g. .. inkclass:: someclass
if I can't mangle the name given to me
 
7:48 AM
lol because it’s Haskell
 
@BartekBanachewicz o_0 I some how read this as 'bacon'... only for a second, bht enough to get my hopes up
@sbi tellkitty set up a new account for some reason
 
Funny story.
 
@sbi fönnü & kreativ spelling
 
I'm pretty sure that Sphinx mangles the name via Itanium ABI.
Or something similar.
 
it’s worth digging around how they do it no? I’m curious
 
sbi
7:49 AM
@thecoshman What? No, A is not the type.
 
@thecoshman thanks for spoiling it
 
@sbi ... morning?
 
Xeo
@sbi You have met this user before, at least.
 
@Rapptz oi that’s weird, I can’t feed it back to c++filter and get something sensible—I’m guessing it’s part of the mangled name
 
sbi
7:51 AM
@LucDanton If you want to write "funny" so that a German pronounces it as close as possible to English, you need to spell it "fanni".
 
Hi guyz
 
sbi
@thecoshman It is morning, indeed. If she would come across differently in the evening, I wouldn't know.
 
Yeah it's probably something similar that suits Sphinx's needs.
 
Xeo
@sbi It's spelled Pfanni
 
How was the week end?
 
sbi
7:52 AM
@Xeo Oh, is that the insect's newest handle??
 
@sbi Nah, it’s someone that would both mess up 'cryptic' and 'funny', bad.
 
sbi
@Xeo Nope.
 
Xeo
@sbi Ye
 
@sbi breakfast is the worst time of day to date someone
 
Xeo
You can tell by the butthurt "about" he still has.
 
7:53 AM
sshhhh bby
 
@Xeo yeah, for some reason she never thinks to change that as well
 
Actually I do change it. I put it back on this character, but Mai Longdong had a different about (in chinese). Same for buttiful buttefly ("fly free like a buttefly in a butte")
 
sbi
What's wrong here? How did we get from "Do I even know you?" to "dating"? And who is "still butthurt", and about what?
 
I probably won't need to mangle names.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I wish I could trust my memory enough to debate thi.
 
7:55 AM
cursor.displayname gives out a fairly decent output
Though it probably gets fucky with spaces and what not.
 
@sbi Ana is still smelling butthurt about you dating someone over breakfast... or something
 
test(const T &)
I have no idea why there's a space between T and &
on the other hand Sphinx outputs it like that too.
I have no idea why this is a thing.
 
sbi
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Haha, putting Cicada, LRiO, you, and me into the same generation! Silly little boy!
 
@Rapptz Satan
 
sbi
7:56 AM
@thecoshman What are you smoking? Pirate's Weed?
 
When people change usernames I never figure it out unless someone really points it out to me.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Here, have a star. Same here.
 
@StackedCrooked just look at the rep. For Cicada thats fairly easy to figure out
 
@StackedCrooked I am actually you
 
Oh, it's Cicada?
Didn't know that honestly.
 
7:57 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva is Cicada yes
 
sbi
@thecoshman You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. (We have common ancestors that are worms, of course.)
 
@sbi well, it's the "not one of those first few who have already left, but not one of these really new people"
 
Common ancestors with worms! As those were not worms themselves
 
Common, Cicada's signature isnt his rep but his way of trolling
 
7:58 AM
@StackedCrooked have a patronising pat on the head
 
sbi
Wow. There's people missing me which I hadn't even heard about!
 
ohhhh
 
It's Domagoj.
 
Xeo
Domagoj
 
@sbi Domogonko... what they said
 
sbi
7:59 AM
Uhuh.
 
He got un-hit by a bus.
 
lol
 
I never learnt past 'Dom'
 
sbi
And who is Doma-whatsname?
I already like him, though:
Sep 3 at 11:21, by Elim Garak
sbi always retweets some cool shit.
 
@sbi he was around ages ago when we were doing the project that must not be named
he left, with out a word... then came back for a while, then left again with out a word.... and now is back once more
 
sbi
8:00 AM
@thecoshman Oh, there was one called "Dom", IIRC! That one?
 
he has about a month or two left
@sbi I can't think of any other
 
sbi
@thecoshman Until what?
 
@sbi leaves again obviously
 
sbi
@thecoshman This isn't rocks, it's nitrogen glaciers.
 
I don't know if your trawling the transcript on return annoys me or impresses me more...
 
sbi
8:02 AM
@cpx Hey, that's only been, what?, four or five years ago!
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Tony, sbi and Jerry have been here from the very beginning.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I came a few days late, actually.
 
@StackedCrooked iirc I've been hear longer than tony... or at least not much less time
 
this is the part where sbi catches up with the transcript at a rate of 1 day per minute
 
@thecoshman Oh right. You were super early. IIRC you're the first to appear in the transcript.
 
8:03 AM
Martin :(
 
sbi
@thecoshman You haven't been heard at all. (Or did you mean to say "hurt"?)
 
@TonyTheLion any idea wtf is up with him?
 
no idea
 
@TonyTheLion He'll be back eventually. Daknok, on the other hand, it's been what... 1090 days?
 
@ElimGarak hahahah
 
8:04 AM
@sbi hey hey hey! stop being homoponobic
@ElimGarak erm...
 
sbi
2 days ago, by Johan Larsson
new topic: how do we get cat to start dating?
I can't believe this didn't end up on the starboard! (Or did he jump in and killed the stars?)
 
@ElimGarak Daknok == Zoidberg == Elyse == Rightfold
 
not sure if bad funny or stupid...
@sbi s/killed/kill/
 
@sbi he's no longer a room owner, so he couldn't have done that
 
cpx
@sbi You made it sound like just 4 or 5 days ago :P
 
8:05 AM
Just trolling. :P But I do miss Pubby.
 
@sbi it's been nice no worrying about her
 
@TonyTheLion Really?!
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion What? I seem to have missed a few very interesting moments here.
 
well... worry doesn't seem like the right word
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Hi, not-Cicada. <3
 
8:06 AM
@thecoshman elton john
 
sbi
@cpx At my age, 4-5 years isn't much.
 
Hi Doma-nothitbyabus-goj <3
 
@sbi there was indeed a debacle about stuffs. Mainly flag trolls wreaking havoc with the room again.
 
@sbi oh yeah, erm, minor caffuffle about room moderation and sutff
 
Cat decided he couldn't be bothered no longer with useless room owner tools to deal with trolls
 
sbi
8:07 AM
@TonyTheLion And the cat ran and hid under his pillow?
 
@TonyTheLion wow, I never thought he'd give up his owership
 
Cat should be online soon, statistically speaking
 
@sbi nah, we ran to IRC
 
Sep 4 at 14:12, by Cat Plus Plus
Sehe Was Right
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva he's always online
 
cpx
8:07 AM
@sbi Does time seem to go faster at your age?
 
@sehe :) Good on sehe :)
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva let's leave religion out of it shall we :)
 
There was the room owner drama intertwined with the flagger drama. And the latest one was... Uhm... Telkitty.
 
@cpx as you get older, you stop noticing things, and life starts wizzing past
 
sbi
@cpx Does it seem to go faster at your current age than when you were half that age?
 
8:08 AM
@ElimGarak she just has a new hobby: obsessing about her plonk list
 
@ElimGarak by the sounds of it we can be quite the drama generating machine
 
@TonyTheLion OH MY GOD I can't believe you just said that
 
well played, girl
 
stop drolling
drooling?
what ever
 
> drolling
 
8:10 AM
Has anyone here programmed on a netbook?
 
What happened with telkitty I wasn't there
 
slang for pooping in Dutch
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I think she realised (neraly) everyone didn't like her
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva she pissed off Robot, he kicked her, she got irritated, and then drama ensued
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva She decided to come visit you.
 
8:10 AM
or at least didn't care to talk about her
 
@Rerito Very briefly…
 
@Rerito yes, nothing special, don't do it.
 
sbi
@ElimGarak I had already found the latter in the transcript.
 
I'm considering buying one to work on the train
 
vOv
 
8:11 AM
@Rerito you sleep on the train
 
they are small, so you can use them on a train, but they are small, so you can't really use them much
 
@Rerito Biggest hurdle was the tiny keyboard which makes it not very fun.
 
@LucDanton Yeah that's what I fear, I've seen there are ones with "full size keyboard"
 
@LucDanton I found those Asus eee ones nice. Small, but not cripplingly so
any way, time to do something close to work
 
(I've got small hands)
 
cpx
8:12 AM
@sbi Depends on how I interpret it especially on certain days if I am feeling joyful then it seems like I was born just 20 days ago!
 
@Rerito <penis joke>
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Yeah, I was expecting something like this :)
 
sbi
"David Cameron Allegedly Stuck His Naughty Bits In A Dead Pig's Mouth: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/20/david-cameron-dead-pigs-mouth_n_8167458.html <= A headline I didn't expect to wake up to.
2
Wow. Just wow.
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah sometimes I do. I almost missed my stop once or twice because of that
 
You can allege anything. Someone told me so.
 
8:14 AM
That's disgusting why would anyone stick their junk in a dead pig?
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva it's nice a cold from the fridge
oh, I mean, someone had to fuck your mum to make you
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Look, there's even a #Hameron hashtag hahaha
 
@thecoshman debatable (fyi, absence of evidence is absence of evidence)
@Rerito Good pun
 
sbi
@Rerito Almost? Tsk. Some people don't live to the full. (I do this about twice a year, on average.)
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva He's British.
 
David Cameron is a threat to our national security, our economic security and our porcine security.
 
8:18 AM
Allegedly. :D
 
@sbi The joke was that I emphasized dead only
 
Bill Clinton: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."
David Cameron: ?
 
Oh my I can imagine what PM's questions on Wednesday will be like
"Can the Prime Minister tell us, in a time when unemploment is rising and people are relying on food banks, why he shagged a dead pig"
 
Reminds me of that short novel where the British PM has to fuck a pig on national TV to free the princess
 
user1804599
pain and misery
 
8:20 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva lol
 
@TonyTheLion seasoning
 
there's a novel with that story?
 
sbi
OK. If you have a struct X that contains PODs and non-PODs, and has not user-defined ctor, and you explicitly default-initialize it (X()), shouldn't then the PODs be zero-initialized?
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva isn't that the plot of Super Mario?
 
@StackedCrooked My bad, it's a TV series
 
8:22 AM
@sbi I don't think so... as x is not pod...
 
sbi
@thecoshman I think everyone else here played a different version of Super Mario than you did.
 
@TonyTheLion I dunno, I think Corbyn will keep it civil even in the face of this.
 
@sbi they just have bad imagination
 
@sbi Yes, unless you use MSVC, which is bugged.
 
sbi
@thecoshman X contains PODs and non-PODs, and is initialized like this: X x = X();
 
8:23 AM
@TheForestAndTheTrees "Any questions from the audience... erm... any not about the pig?... ah, none"
 
user1804599
-1 not enough auto
 
sbi
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva This is (an old version of) GCC.
@elyse Not enough C++11. :(
 
@sbi or too much...
 
@sbi naughty pig
 
are millimeters a good unit for a graphical user interface
 
8:25 AM
nah
use micrometers, they perform faster
 
@sbi no
 
nanometers are too fast though
 
wouldn't it be great if your jokes didn't suck
 
@sbi like I said, I think zero initialisation only happens on pods, and a pod cannot contain non-pod types
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Please explain!
 
8:26 AM
@Prismatic wouldn't it be great if your spelling errors were funny
 
@Prismatic No because variable resolutions etc
 
@sehe oh come on that spelling error was pretty great
 
wouldn't it be great if we move to IRC
 
sbi
No.
 
Xeo
You're free to move.
 
8:27 AM
@sbi This only works if X is a POD itself.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva millimeters are resolution independent
 
cpx
X is non-POD.
 
But not screen size independant
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked So X() will not zero-initialize POD members of X if X also has non-POD members??
 
cpx
So, I think, no.
 
8:28 AM
Do you really want to display your menu to be 5 cm on a 2m long screen? Instead of being, say 8%
 
sbi
Wow. TIL something about C++. Sigh.
 
@sbi No. I made this mistake once and it caused crashes in released code :(
 
I tried having a baseline unit (like say mm) that you could add an empirical scaling factor to for different resolutions
 
@StackedCrooked What!
 
@sbi Wow. TIT something about C++. mmm
 
8:29 AM
@sehe The Vim pager is another place where you can’t remap things.
 
It's not terrible but its not great either. I don't think there's a way to avoid reconfiguring your user interface for different display sizes.
 
@StackedCrooked impressive
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Here it almost caused a several-100k$ battery to be wrecked. :(
 
Well, key word 'almost'.
 
But at the very least with a resolution independent unit of measurement you can get density independence. I'm open to any suggestions though
 
8:30 AM
@Prismatic oh, I see you're thinking, but I think it would be too much pita to handle. Plus what do you do when you have like 1.1333 pixels per mm?
 
@LucDanton the pager? I think that's the non-fnctional thing I avoid?
 
sbi
@LucDanton Yeah. We did this once. It increased management's interest in our development process in a rather disruptive way.
 
> If T is a class type with a default constructor that is neither user-provided nor deleted (that is, it may be a class with a defaulted default constructor or with an implicitly-defined one) then the object is zero-initialized and then it is default-initialized if it has a non-trivial default constructor
 
@sbi I like how you work with such expensive hardware, but refuse to use tools that will make it easier.
oh, embedded though?
 
@sehe The thing with 'more'. set nomore seems less helpful yet .
 
8:32 AM
TIL it's mathematically impossible to perfectly tune a piano
 
sbi
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Mhmm. The way I read this it supports my assumption. What's this from? The Holy Paper™?
 
@sbi you... didn't know this? There's only one explanation I'm willing to accept here, and that is that you momentarily forgot it.
 
@sbi Ohhh you're pre C++11, wait.
 
class whatever : public whatever_else { int i; whatever() {}; }; has never value initialized the primitive without explicit initializer
 
@thecoshman I don't do anything special in that case. If you want pixel perfect dimensions, you need to work in pixels.
 
sbi
8:32 AM
@thecoshman Actually our vendor refuses to provide these tools.
 
But given that so many displays these days are pretty high dpi, I think pixel perfect graphics are less of a concern.
 
@LucDanton yeah I hate it.
 
sbi
@sehe No. I thought differently. (In my defense, I rarely ever write non-trivial structs. Usually I employ full-blown classes.)
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Yeah, ISTR the rules having changed between versions. /cc @sehe
 
@Prismatic true, if you want to just ignore the vast majority of people playing at 1080
 
@sbi not about automatic initialization of POD members
 
8:34 AM
> If T is an non-union class type without any user-provided constructors, then every non-static data member and base-class component of T is value-initialized
 
Naw. Post-C++11 you can foo_type foo {}; your member to always value init though. (But then you can’t default-init if or when you really want to.)
 
sbi
Here's a nice one for the elder people in this room.
@sehe The rules about zero-initialization have changed, IIRC. I just don't know them well enough, neither before, nor after the change.
 
Not to the point that C++03 code changed meaning in C++11.
 
idgi, your pod members should get value-inited and hence their members zeroed, or am I misunderstanding everything
 
@thecoshman Do you have any suggestions then?
 
8:37 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva No. Default constructor is the same as empty one. It’s standard-layout(?) types that are the exception and behave differently, even though they do have a default constructor.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva that type he is constructing is non-pod... thus no default init is done.
 
But? That applies to non pods also.
you know what fuck C++
 
user1804599
@sbi :(
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva did you read the other gajillion rules about initialisation?
 
I understand why the non-pods don't get 0ed, but the pods should, I think.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I think it look at the non-pod x that it starts with and just say's 'fuck it'
 
> This guy looks like he's using BOTH of his brain cells to be this angry.
3
 
@thecoshman That's now how programs work dumbass.
 
Xeo
wow. this website just cuts my password off after 20 characters. without a maximum length being mentioned anywhere.
 
@StackedCrooked compiler knows what types are pods and what are not, it knows when you are constructing them, it can chose to insert zero-init where it feels appropriate, and as the x type is non-pod, it deems it not appropriate?
@Xeo #quality
 
sbi
8:45 AM
 
!_!
 
It’s in 8.5.8.{1,2}. Criteria are 'is the default constructor not user-provided/deleted' and 'is the default constructor trivial'. That’s very finely grained.
 
sbi
Every Brit at the office in Beijing greeting each other with "Cameron fucked a pig!" Chinese staff largely baffled by our joy.
 
also the wording is impenetrable
 
Unlike that dead pig it would seem
 
sbi
8:47 AM
Unlike the pig.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Oh. Seems in "some ways" our brains work similarly.
 
@LucDanton to have zero-init performed?
 
@thecoshman No idea.
 
@LucDanton what you 'quoted' there seems fairly easy to follow, except for the missing detail of what this is criteria for
 
@sbi Great minds think alike
 
sbi
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva "Zwei Dumme, ein Gedanke."
 
8:49 AM
@thecoshman I did not quote, I referenced. As in 'go look there I don’t want to talk about it'.
 
sbi
Well, anyway. I should stop chatting and concentrate on the code.
 
@sbi reading the entire transcript?
 
sbi
See you!
 
@thecoshman 621 pages...
 
sbi
8:50 AM
@JohanLarsson Daily!
 
What was that thing added in c++11 that let you use unit notation
Like what was it called
 
Sep 28 '12 at 1:46, by Luc Danton
Oh boy, 8.5 here we go again.
It’s been three years, I want to move on from 8.5.
 
user defined literals
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion fuck wasps
 
8:55 AM
@elyse don't tell Jerry
 
@Jerry Tony hates you.
 
Oi
thats a lie
 
user1804599
If "dynamically typed" really means having only one type, is having only one unit test called "dynamically tested"?
 

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