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5:00 AM
@TylerH He would have over 3 million rep with no cap.
 
I'll go buy some pitchforks
 
@durron597 There was a proposal to re-calculate rep at one point
 
The crazy thing about him and several others is that they keep answering questions even after they hit the cap
 
cap on old answers
 
It's just like... why?
 
5:01 AM
@durron597 crazy people, not being rep whores
 
and somehow he ended being least affected by the re-calc
 
What else do they have going on?
 
how dare there be in it for something other than rep!
Well Jon Skeet gets things like paintings
so there's that
At that point though, rep really probably doesn't interest them
I mean it's like Bill Gates; he could spend $1 million every day of the year and still end up with more money at the end of the year than he started with due to interest and capital gains
which is insane
I'll track the views on that bountied Java question: It's got 355 views right now.
 
I get a lot more fulfillment out of cleaning up crap than I do answering questions. I'm just repwhoring for 20k at this point.
 
@durron597 I know how you could get at least 250 rep :-P
 
5:04 AM
@durron597 Do you plan on running for mod eventually?
 
@SmokeDetector why?
 
@TylerH Body - Position 335-343: facts.co
 
@approxiblue Thinking about it. But mods have to be much less brutal than I am
I think I'll have 40/40 mod score by the next election.
 
@durron597 20k, what else do you need?
 
I think that's it
 
5:07 AM
@durron597 good luck
I need another election
I haven't had new badges in a while
 
You need 20k rep to run for mod?
 
I disagree with Shog a lot on meta though.
 
@durron597 Lots of people do
He's wrong several times
 
@TylerH Not required, but there's a mod candidate score
Lots of people hit 40/40
 
@TylerH No, there's a score next to your nomination post.
 
5:08 AM
But that's where the moderator discussion section comes into play
I was going to say, I thought I had seen people with like 5k run before
 
so it's an unwritten requirement basically
 
bjb ran, that was funny.
 
@TylerH you don't see them elected
 
@approxiblue I wouldn't say requirement
Just an insider advantage
@approxiblue Yeah, because they don't have experience usually, not because they don't have rep
there tends to be a positive correlation, but even this last election there was somebody who was at like 6k who was like the 6th best candidate I think
Of course now he's at like 12k I think
 
Rep is not the most important thing, but it is definitely a tiebreaker.
 
5:10 AM
Only mod I remember voting for was bluefeet, who had 20k flags at the time
 
Ed Cottrell came in 6th with a 37/40 score.
(17k rep)
 
I meant 6th from my perspective
 
Well Undo ran two elections ago with very little rep.
And did quite good.
 
ugh, I wish I could see who I voted for on the elections page
I know I voted for Meagar and Martijn
can't remember if I also voted for Jeremy or someone else
 
It's on the election tab
 
5:14 AM
I voted for Jon
1. meagar 2. martijn 3. jon
I wanted martijn more than meagar but I knew martijn was a shoo-in
 
I was 1. Martijn 2. Meagar and surprisingly 3. Madara
I had been against him initially because I've seen him be heavy handed since we both are regulars in another chatroom
but for some reason he swayed me toward him
I allllmost voted for Raghav as well
 
I admit I was a bit surprised Second Rikudo didn't win.
 
because the tag needs some serious attention
 
I voted for Matt in the 2014 election, I'm precog
 
I was going to vote for raghav and then I realized his activity dropped wayyyyyyyyyy off since the last election.
(between 2014 to 2015)
 
5:17 AM
Yeah, probably due to college
 
@durron597 too broad?
 
@approxiblue yes
 
I'm off, night
 
goodnight
 
btw I'm 2k now, burnination requests here I come
 
5:20 AM
@approxiblue We need more close votes much more than burnination requests.
As much as I work on old posts, keeping the new stuff that comes in is much more important.
Have to deal with what's being looked at.
 
@durron597 can you just be happy for me? :< gimme 2 years
lol
 
for instance
@SmokeDetector tpu- spam!!
 
@durron597 ew, flagged
night, for real
 
gn
grats on 2k
 
 
2 hours later…
 
5 hours later…
11:57 AM
@SmokeDetector Nice avatar
Good whatever time of day it is for you.
 
12:24 PM
Top o' the mornin' to you all!
 
I am making this answer slightly more general than the question for the sake of future viewers. Oh, and the fact that the question has been viewed 22360 times in the past year had nothing to do with it. Rep whoring at it's finest. Yet - the answer is a work of art.
You have the rep to comment, and this isn't an answer. You know what to do. — Mogsdad 12 secs ago
 
12:53 PM
Free flags! 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
 
^^^ same there
 
1:06 PM
pc reboot. be back in a few
reboot sucessful
@ArtjomB. boom
 
1:22 PM
Morning everyone!
 
@Mogsdad Flagged all
@durron597 'morning
 
@durron597 NAA to me
 
i really hate questions that go like this: "I need to do X", close as duplicate of question that contains workarounds for the fact that you cant do X, OP throws a tantrum "it's not a duplicate because I really need to do X"
 
1:25 PM
@Mogsdad Flagged all but 4. #4 is an answer.
@NathanOliver I'm OVER 1 9000!!!!!!11!!ONE!!
 
@durron597 Damn it. You're right.
I hate it when you're right.
 
@durron597 Doesn't look NAA, but if it's copied then that's a custom flag
 
@KevinBrown He didn't copy to plagiarize, he copied to ask a question about it (the last sentence)
 
@durron597 I still need 1.7k. You are really on a tare.
 
1:34 PM
@durron597 Right, but the VLQRQ and mods likely aren't going to realize that without a custom flag
 
Was it right to suggest code review for this?
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Q: Optimize blockwise bit operations: base-4 numbers

senseiwaThis should be a fun question, at least for me. My intent is to manipulate base-4 numbers, encoded in a unsigned integer. Each two-bits block then represents a single base-4 digit, starting from the least significant bit: 01 00 11 = base4(301) I'd like to optimize my code, because I'm not su...

 
> I'd like to optimize my code, because I'm not sure how I scored here, maybe poorly. If you wish to suggest how I can implement those functions with SSE, I'd be welcome.
First sentence tells me "yes", second sentence says "maybe not"
Actually, they all appear to be implemented
 
Damn didn't notice they asked for how to implement with SSE
 
So yeah, Code Review is fine. Just don't forget to link to the help/on-topic page
 
1:39 PM
@durron597 If you remove all of the links from the answer, it doesn't appear to be useful
 
@Phoenix_uy What is an aclaration? That is not a word in English. — durron597 4 mins ago
It's not a typo, he used the word three times.
 
I have no idea what they're meaning to say there
 
i don't think it's a commonly used word though google.com/…
morning!
 
@durron597 Yep, I flagged it VLQ. (FWIW I didn't say they were all NAA, BTW.) TGIF
 
1:43 PM
I like somkey's new avatar. Who picked that out?
 
undo probably
I thought I saw that in the tavern
 
> declined - flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer
@NathanOliver I asked Undo to attach the Tavern avatar to the SO account.
It's been that avatar on Meta since I've been aware of the bot
 
@SmokeDetector too broad
@gunr2171 done
 
I un-capped the title but I had now idea how to fix it.
 
1:46 PM
thanks
fix the title or the body?
 
the title
closed now
 
yeah, I wouldn't worry about it
 
@durron597 Need a new close reason, Title not punny enough.
It would have been if I had enough rep to comment, no need to be petty, if I'm making the correct information available. — thatguy 2 mins ago
:sigh:
Figures... he's thatguy
 
troll username is troll
(start with a !)
(everyone is to blame)
 
2:02 PM
Clearly
 
@gunr2171 ty
 
this is great, someone is going to read the transcript and see me talking to myself
 
It wouldn't be the first time me thinks.
 
it's a daily occurrence
 
!!/blame
I guess that one is tavern only.
 
2:05 PM
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this is something consulting your C++ book / searching should be able to answer — NathanOliver 24 secs ago
 
@durron597 Yup :(
 
@NathanOliver Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.
 
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A: Cleaning up after the [third-party]

durron597Note that there are a lot of other tags and work done on this so far. First of all, there was this effort from 10 months ago, though I agree this request is more broad. Here are the relevant tags: third-party - 448 questions, wiki third-party-code - 76 questions, no wiki third-party-api - 68 ...

 
ack!, the fourth bullet!
( ... ]
 
@durron597 (...] fixed
 
2:08 PM
you mean "(fixed]"
 
fail.
 
also no tbe
hehe
now all we need is a flame thrower gif
 
man I'm maknig z lot moer typeos than noraml lletay
 
don't worry, everyone has critical fails
 
@durron597 Flagged - that was what you were going for, wasn't it?
 
2:09 PM
lol
 
@Mogsdad hey mang, if you wanna get flag banned on MSO I won't stop you
 
@Mogsdad Is it NAA as it is a status update?
 
I notice that none of you have upvoted it. How can I get my meta reputation up if people won't upvote me?
 
@NathanOliver Yep. And I just looped around to flag it again for a custom reason. NSFW, I'm afraid.
 
I'm leaving it alone for now. I'll come back and vote later (/trying to get some work done now)
 
2:11 PM
1 min ago, by durron597
@Mogsdad hey mang, if you wanna get flag banned on MSO I won't stop you
 
@durron597 We were all too busy racing to correct it.
 
someone down voted it...
 
@NathanOliver thatguy
 
lol. it is gone now
 
The first link isn't dead, there's still a stub there.
 
2:14 PM
There's "third-party" and "3rd-party". Is there a "turd-party"? And wouldn't a "3d-party" be way cooler?
 
Every party I've ever been to has been 3d
I haven't been to flatland yet.
 
@durron597 Yet the accepted answer is link-only... and kind of a comment-for-clarification. The whole thing stinks.
@NathanOliver RIP TP
 
Yes. Sad.
 
@durron597 Soooo tempting. ANSWER: SCISSORS
 
2:17 PM
@Mogsdad He's basically asking about how to do one particular task in a library, and the answer is a link to the relevant part of that library.
 
@durron597 But as the subsequent answer-that-is-proabably-a-comment-yet-is-wrong shows, if the link breaks it's no longer an answer.
 
@durron597 found some info about the first post's link: web.archive.org/web/20150103075635/http://code.google.com/p/…
 
Oooh... I'm Outspoken now! Didn't know that was a thing...
 
@gunr2171 wrong.
 
? really?
 
2:22 PM
@gunr2171 @#$@#)( You beat me to the edit! Grrr.
 
I mean, we should really just combine them together
 
That person was linking to the old docs. The new answer links to the correct docs
the new answer also had at least a little explanation
 
@durron597 wow, I missed that...
 
The old answer had zero explanation.
 
yeah, i didn't scroll down on the github page, so I missed that
 
2:25 PM
I step back from the two friends who appear to have become antagonists. No need to step into the middle and be a hero. One will smite the other, and I can then pick up whatever weapons are left behind.
 
is it a sniper rifle?
 
The new answer actually did say what the command was supposed to be, the old answer did not, so he should get the rep for noticing that. I've downvoted the old answer and upvoted the new one for future readers to understand.
 
yep, agreed
 
It's a couple of bat'leths.
 
@gunr2171 Hope so! That will make me a happy camper!
 
2:26 PM
"camper", ha
so you're thatguy
 
@gunr2171 Why did you remove the "the link in the other answer is not valid anymore" sentence?
 
noise. doesn't need to be there.
 
it does need to be there, IMO
it's telling future readers relevant information about the problem
 
your comment already covers it. and I don't like cross-post talk
 
That's true.
Really, it should be a comment on the other post
 
2:29 PM
yeah, true
 
@gunr2171 Water towers especially. Unless there are tanks.
@gunr2171 "link rot" - like it. Blended into my comment set.
^^^^ sorry... @durron597
Q: Are questions that are entirely about dead technology (e.g. Google Wave) closable for "no longer reproducible"?
 
no? How recently was the question asked?
 
Can google wave no longer be used by anyone?
 
Google Wave was moved into an Apache project
 
google wave is like 3+ years dead
and replaced by google docs
 
2:36 PM
@gunr2171 I thought google was starting a shipping business for a second.
 
@gunr2171 2009 here
 
it's historical, i wouldn't worry about that, but that's my view
 
We're already closing that question. I'm asking philosophically.
 
i mean, if it's a 3rd party service that is dead and is never coming back, then maybe
but for "old tech" then no, keep it open (or just don't close as no repro)
 
2:38 PM
Fair enough... more than enough shit to shovel already.
 
I would not close them just because the tech is dead. It could always be revived.
 
"I'm using Microsoft Pascal on my Apple ][+, and I have this problem..."
Good times, good times.
 
"I'm back to working on my Commodore PET and things just aren't cooperating"... oh wait
 
@KevinBrown OMG... I can still read 6502 assembler! It's like I'm back in grade 9!
 
2:49 PM
....
 
I though google is called Alphabet now.
 
@NathanOliver Now... let's go flag that sucker!
 
google made a parent company for itself called Alphabet. Google is still a company named the same thing
 
@SmokeDetector tpu SPAM!
 
@durron597 Blacklisted user.
 
2:54 PM
@durron597 The question count dropped by 30 overnight. My hope is that was the Roomba. Have you been doing any edits in there?
 
@Mogsdad Do you think it qualifies as an NAA?
 
sigh how do i see what the reopen review status is for a question? this thing has 3 reopen votes: stackoverflow.com/questions/32268210/…
 
@NathanOliver The usual debate. Link rot will make the answer useless. Is that VLQ or NAA?
 
I don't think non-mods can get the links for a review item without just diving into the queue and hitting skip a bunch (@cimmanon)
 
@Mogsdad maybe a couple, but not nearly that many.
 
2:55 PM
screw it. NAA i go.
 
@durron597 I'm hopeful! I'll look for a couple that should be Roomba'd tonight, and check them tomorrow.
 
Can't 10k's see the review queue history and you can search that for the title of the post?
 
I stand, corrected?
 
@NathanOliver Counter-point. If multiple people give it VLQ, it gets closed without the mods needing to get up out of their cushy Barca Loungers. (Right?)
 
2:57 PM
@NathanOliver yes
@Mogsdad No, it's gotta be in the queue
many flags don't by themselves do it, i think.
 
Well we certainly don't want to make @JonClements have to put down his cigar and brandy.
 
@NathanOliver Lazy bums those mods. We're doing all their work for them. Grr.
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Q: What exactly does a VLQ flag do?

UndoI am a 3k user on SO, and so I don't cast very many VLQ flags. However, when a post looks like this: hello I need to know why my app no worky when I doz dis plees help mee: <badly formatted code> thankz in advaancee And I don't really want to spend ten minutes fixing the post, I w...

Flag probably doesn't do it. No conclusive answer.
BUT other criteria does, per-site rules.
 
@Mogsdad I know right. Lounge around all day and then decline a couple flags before bed is all they ever seem to do.
 
While we're editing. For instance, correcting "seam" with "seem".
 
3:02 PM
@durron597 Hell, even the QUESTION is pretty much link-only!
 
Gosh, I need some of these NAAs to get handled
 
@durron597 it even has the dreaded :-
 
I've only got 2 downvotes left.
 
@NathanOliver boom
 
I NAA the accepted answer but that will have to wait for Mod attention.
 
3:07 PM
same
 
@Mogsdad I only got one rep back from roomba questions last night.
There may have been others that were already eligible that I didn't need to downvote an answer.
 
@durron597 Hmm. Good point. I had +3 when I first logged in. Would have thought that between the two of us, 30 questions would have resulted in more +.
 
I had a lot more than that from roomba questions, but they weren't tagged .
@drron597, Thanks! I wanted to share this API key so anyone could test code. Right now I reset it. — Łukasz Kozłowski 23 secs ago
 
Solved! @ShotgunNinja, thank you for your time! — Łukasz Kozłowski 5 mins ago
=8^0
 
@Mogsdad Not all of the questions are roomba-able right now
 
3:12 PM
@KevinBrown Well aware.
 
We're under 1000 open questions, nice!
 
Based on the close dates, I expected a bunch of zero-ed questions to get deleted starting last night.
 
At some point we need to start editing the perfectly valid, normal, less than 500 view 0-2 vote questions that are just tagged wrong.
/me is not looking forward to that
 
@durron597 thanks
 
3:31 PM
 
@Deduplicator #3 boom
does the rep that you gain from downvoted answers being removed count towards the rep cap?
 
@NathanOliver Hm. Well, I think the day when you downvoted will be recalculated as if you didn't.
 
@BillWoodger I love how your comment has exactly the same amount of up votes as the answer — Edwin Stoteler 18 mins ago
I love how the comments on my answer are totally unrelated to the question
 
I'm all out of downvotes today
 
3:41 PM
@Deduplicator #2 boom
 
@Deduplicator Why vote to zero when they aren't closed?
 
@Mogsdad Because they nearly are (one hangs at 4 votes still)
@durron597 Added a help the roomba-link to your third-party-cleanup-post.
 
4:03 PM
@Deduplicator thanks
@KevinBrown Snakes on a plane is relevant to every answer.
 
@durron597 Honestly I just want to see that answer hit 100
 
I'm sure I want to vote to delete this, but what should the reason be?
 
@Mogsdad I think that can stick around. Edit imo.
 
@durron597 Done. Although I think the high view count is because people were hoping to find something useful. They left disappointed.
 
@Mogsdad Yeah, but that's not necessarily the question's fault.
 
4:13 PM
:lunch: afk
 
4:23 PM
@SmokeDetector ignore- edited
 
4:37 PM
@durron597 You will rep bully anyone :P
As an aside, you're pretty close to 3k rep. You should try to finish it off so you can put actual close votes on things instead of just flags. — durron597 19 hours ago
 
on my way to the pub, so don't count on me tonight...
 
@rene enjoy yourself :)
 
stills has 4.5 before one can step off to the pub
 
@NathanOliver JAL is not anyone.
Jun 23 at 19:48, by durron597
@JAL Might I make a suggestion? You should work to get your 3k rep by FGITW some crappy duplicates before getting so active in this room
Because they have value, sort of, they can't really be edits because they're really replies, but the poster doesn't have enough rep to comment.
 
4:57 PM
@durron597 I've seen (and subsequently done) comments on behalf of low rep users in this sort of case.
 
Don't post answers to clarify other's answer. Since you don't have enough rep yet to comment, post your own, complete answer that can stand on its own if the other answer were to be deleted. Eventually you will have enough rep to comment on another's answer. — durron597 19 secs ago
I just added that to my autocomments.
 
nice
 
@SmokeDetector tpu- NAA gibberish
 
"This is incredibly frustrating, and a prompt answer would be very well appreciated." Really? Well let's get right on that, then - here's a link-only answer to a question you didn't ask. [ 7 months pass ] Tada!
 
5:25 PM
hehe Autoeditor changes Java SE Runtime into Java Stack Exchange Runtime. I think I'd better go look through my edit history...
 
I haven't been flagging link only answers to tool request questions.
 
@durron597 One more vote and the question goes. Still worried about that answer?
 
@durron597 i dont know why you guys voted to close as a tool request, the OP isnt requesting a tool.
 
Daily closevote limit reached.
@cimmanon Given the information presented in the question, the only answers possible are guesses (check) and links to tools (check). They didn't overtly ask, but they didn't present a debugging problem. My judgment: tool request.
 
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Q: Should I flag link only answers to tool request questions?

durron597I know that, on most sites throughout Stack Exchange (except Software Recs), tool / resource requests are off topic. I know what to do with these questions, flag / vote to close them on that particular site. However, if I come across a link only answer, and then notice that most or all of the ...

 
5:38 PM
@Mogsdad there isnt enough information to diagnose the problem, either "no mcve" or "cannot reproduce" would have been appropriate
 
@durron597 done
 
@durron597 boom
 
thanks
 
@cimmanon True. All we know is that the reason selected by the largest number of people (maybe just 2), was Tool.
 
5:40 PM
Anyone have a good canned comment for this sort of answer
 
@durron597 Yeah, you're going to get a reputation all right... as thatguy.
 
alternately, it could have been closed as "belongs on superuser because it is a request to debug why html5 videos dont work at all in my browser"
 
@durron597 Yep. Done.
 
Eh, he linked his own library, not sure if that's appropriate.
 
not every browser related problem is appropriate for SO :p
 
5:41 PM
@durron597 non-official answer, but I think I remember Shog saying something about not flagging answers on open tool-rec questions, and instead to just close them
 
@durron597 Sure it's ok, he says it's his. LESS ok if it's to a personally-run (or company) site that generates ad-click income.
 
@Mogsdad I meant your comment isn't exactly spot on, what is he going to do, paste his whole library?
Plus he has control of his own links, at least I hope he does :-P
 
@durron597 Nope, but he could show how to use it to solve this particular problem.
There's a meta quote about that somewhere....
 
@durron597 Are you looking for a "answers pointing to libraries should talk about the library, not just link to it" comment?
 
"Just linking to your own library is not a good answer. Linking to it, explaining why it solves the OPs problem, providing code using the library to do so and disclaiming that you wrote it should be acceptable."
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A: What signifies "Good" self promotion? (or: Self Promotion Part Infinity)

ben is uǝq backwardsNo, we're not too intolerant of self-promotion. I think it has its place, but it's too often used as an excuse for a link-only answer or overt self-promotion where there's only a slim chance of the library, product or answer ever helping the OP. Where the OP is making money from the product the i...

 
5:45 PM
@KevinBrown Yeah
 
> Answers recommending external libraries are common on Stack Overflow, we all know that not everything can be done easily using built-in functions, it is preferred to also include some information about the library in your answer. Some things you may want to include are what the library does, what is required to obtain it, and how it can be used to solve the original problem.
 
Just linking to your own library is not a good answer. Linking to it, explaining why it solves the problem, providing code using the library to do so and disclaiming makes for a better answer. See: What signifies “Good” self promotion?durron597 1 min ago
 
The whole topic appears pretty undecided, officially. But that answer resonates with me. This one? Not so much - I don't like the "as long as it helps, it's OK" mentality. I like the idea that the answer should be able to stand on its own, but is ENRICHED by the content linked to, even if that is self-promotional.
In this case, if the poster explained what was needed to be done to address the issue, and the library was presented as a shortcut to completing that work... fine!
 
@KevinBrown Probably a better choice for a canned comment. But the direct quote was spot-on for that answer, excepting the affiliation bit.
 
5:54 PM
Right, most of the time when I see library recommendations they don't appear to be self-promotion but rather something that they found while searching
 

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