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user4639281
Rejected
 
@TinyGiant thx
 
user4639281
No problem
 
@TinyGiant I reopened that css question, it's bizarre I have the first CV on it.
Did you solicit them earlier?
 
user4639281
Lol, I was wondering about that, no I didn't
 
user4639281
1:52 AM
It was pretty unclear to start off with, and included PHP for no reason
 
@TinyGiant Hm. May 7.
 
user4639281
If anything it should have been originally closed as unclear IMO
 
@TinyGiant So weird. I only VTCed 3 questions that day
 
user4639281
Hmmm, odd. You were tired?
 
@TinyGiant I'm wondering if there were deleted comments
 
user4639281
1:57 AM
Possibly... I don't recall there being any though
 
dupe
 
It wasn't migrated... I got nothing.
 
user4639281
Idk
 
One of the ones I closed just before that was a
shrug these are the mysteries.
The thing that sucks about the Illuminator badge is that while I always edit a question I'm answering now, I still have to get that all important upvote.
 
user4639281
I usually get frustrated after twitter-bootstrap questions as well, its ok.
 
2:04 AM
hey all
 
@JonClements hey look it's a dog-nja
 
user4639281
@JonClements Hello :)
 
thanks for telling me @durron597 - I'd never had known otherwise or something! :p
 
@JonClements glad I could be of assistance
 
as I'm awake at 3am...
have you given any more thought to the string-sub tag?
 
user4639281
2:07 AM
@durron597 it looks like you've answered a few bad questions yourself, maybe some of those questions could do with some editing.
 
user4639281
Anyways, I have to run but I'll be back later.
 
@JonClements It should be looked at case-by-case, which I'm not prepared to do right now, as I'm working on source code
 
tc @TinyGiant
 
@TinyGiant You have to edit and answer both within 12 hours.
okay, get some sleep Jon :) take care all
 
blah, up now... let's see what flags are going on :p
 
 
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3:39 AM
I saw blue and I thought, surely it's BoltClock up at this hour
then I realized I wasn't in the HTML/CSS room
 
 
5 hours later…
8:35 AM
:D
 
 
1 hour later…
9:44 AM
(Y)
 
 
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12:28 PM
Hi all, I've been a little busy going through . I've used 40+ CV's, so if you have some votes to spare, it would be nice if you review some items in the queue.
 
Will do
 
 
2 hours later…
2:30 PM
Okay, so I'm confused about something
That should be done with late, low quality answers that add nothing to the question that previous answers don't already state
but technically are an answer (after a fashion)
 
@durron597 ?
 
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A: LINQ: Not Any vs All Don't

osmarboth algorithms are the same, the difference is that in Any deny the outcome, All you get a direct result , in short just these optimizing a denial "!" , so to simplify the expression he says , just to remove the negation operator

 
It's an "attempt" (although a poor one) at an answer
I'd personally turn down a NAA flag on that post - just downvote it and maybe some 20k users will notice and throw in some delete votes
 
^ agree
 
You're welcome to leave a comment asking for clarification and/or how it helps the OP etc... give 'em a bit of guidance etc...
 
2:41 PM
@JonClements I agree, that's why I didn't NAA it. And you agree VLQ is wrong too?
 
After doing a lot of VLQ review items, I'm under the impression that NAA and VLQ are the same thing. All the "delete reasons" in VLQ all say "this is not an answer".
 
nope.. NAA is distinct from VLQ
 
then I still haven't learned that...
/ it's not very clear to me
 
An "attempt" at an answer is not NAA... a bad attempt of an answer can be VLQ
 
I know NAA is "you didn't attempt to answer the question", like making a comment or saying "thanks", but what is the 10 word summary of VLQ?
ok, so VLQ is "you tried, but you failed hard"
but the main thing I'm confused about is this: this is how I see the delete reasons in the VLQ queue:
 
2:49 PM
Wait a minute, so a VLQ flag IS correct for that answer?
 
Well, I VLQ flagged it. Worst thing that can happen is it gets declined
 
Wait, I thought link-only was NAA?
 
@KevinBrown you might be right about that (looking again at meta post)
4/5 (or 5/5) auto-options indicate that the user did the wrong thing to add content to the post. So the majority (or all) of the reasons for the VLQ queue have nothing to do with VLQ
Ok, yes, link only answers are not an answer
 
Still can't find that meta post...
 
2:53 PM
248
Q: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?

Shog9I think we can all agree, this sucks: If you've been around a little while, you've probably encountered hundreds of answers like this in various forums, some of them even marked as "The Answer" by well-meaning1 forum admins looking to close a thread. We could try to enumerate the commonly-obse...

 
Ah, I was looking on Meta SO
 
So this user has 10 gold badges and only 2900 rep
Robert, Glasgow, United Kingdom
2.9k 10 29 68
 
Reviews can help there
 
I kinda wanna get this guy up to 3k so he can be armed with CVs. 9 of those badges are moderation badges
 
3:15 PM
@durron597 invite him to this room, see if he's interested (in CV-ing, not necessarily in joining us)
I'm impressed with your moderation activity when you don't even have close votes yet. You should check out the SO Close Vote Reviewers chat roomdurron597 8 mins ago
oh durp, didn't see that
 
@gunr2171 Way ahead of you ;)
 
:D
 
I upvoted four of his posts that I thought were good, but I wasn't comfortable doing more than that.
 
I'll wait for tomorrow to do some as well
 
3:20 PM
@KevinBrown 5 steward badges.
 
that's really good
 
3:33 PM
So I just got a bronze views badge for a question with +2 score
1000 people only two of them could be bothered to upvote it?
 
3:50 PM
'lo everyone. Thanks for the invite to the chat room. Unfortunately I have to bailout of SO in about 10 minutes and won't be back till next Wednesday.
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[database]"
@Robert no problem man - just drop by when you feel like
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 8 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@easwee I don't seem to have the start of your review session on record. I might have not been running when you started, or some error happened.
 
@Closey starting
 
@easwee Good luck!
 
Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 8 hours to continue reviewing.
 
3:55 PM
@easwee Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@durron597: If it was "Lists, primitive types, and performance" you now have another.
 
@Robert Haha it was, thanks
That's fine, everyone here goes on long periods of hiatus and then comes back. Except maybe @rene and @gunr2171
 
I always give up on reviewing the queues you have steward is as they always seem to be empty
 
and me
:P
 
3:59 PM
@easwee yes, and you :)
 
hit over 10k today
 
congrats easwee!
 
@Robert Anyway, with some luck you will be able to help to close the never ending stream of crap questions very soon
@easwee Grats!
 
now I have to hope someone in lower top 40 gets bored of doing CVs :P
@durron597 @gunr2171 thanks
 
seems like that next target is Roman C
 
4:01 PM
yeah
project for autumn
i'll miss 6 days in august since I'll be in the middle of nowhere without internet
 
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Q: Award accepted answer reputation for finding duplicates

durron597Consider the following theoretical situation: New user asks a question: Why does my program process a sorted array faster than an unsorted array? I see this question, I can: Vote to close as duplicate Answer the question with a link to the duplicate, with possibly a little bit of extra e...

 
^ with #2, YES
 
it's an idea although I don't really care about rep
 
Makes sense to me.
 
@easwee I'm starting to get close enough to 20k to at least start thinking about rep again
I want those trusted user powers.
 
4:05 PM
hehe
 
Once I get 20k I will probably bounty away all the rep above that, but yeah.
unless they actually do create 30k powers
 
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Q: Proposed micro-privilege: site analytics

Jon EricsonRemember when I asked a few months ago: Help us identify micro-privileges for top users? The idea was to be able to start rolling these out quickly and not take too much developer and designer time. In particular, the idea I suggested in the question, site analytics, should have been a quick turn...

 
@durron597 that's noble
 
@durron597 20k+ is only worth it if you want to delete a lot.
 
@ArtjomB. I use all my delete votes every day.
I also use all my downvotes feeding the roomba every day.
 
4:20 PM
he's a delete freak
:P
 
Yes, me too most days.
 
Well, Durron does have a cat, so the evil deleting nature makes sense.
 
The best thing are the Tools with the New Answers to Questions More Than 30 Days Old list. I used up all my 100 post flag on that list one day.
 
@gunr2171 I really thought you were linking to this there
 
I also imagine you have a burning fire behind you as you mash the delete button
:P
 
4:25 PM
@ArtjomB. Wow that's great. stackoverflow.com/a/31480398/1768232
 
what? It's like the same as the other answer but with less info!
 
 
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6:26 PM
I gotta say, I like this idea. Needs a bit of debate, but seems far less awkward than most of the previous suggestions. — Shog9 ♦ 1 hour ago
 
congrats
I'll be starting my reviews soon
@TinyGiant I think that's an answer duplicate, not a question duplicate
 
user4639281
Its pretty close, the titles are different but both ask the same two things, what are the numbers and how do I use them
 
ok, I see it now. voting
hum, is the number of CVs on meta a different pool than the main site?
 
@gunr2171 yes
24 separate MSO cvs
 
ok, not that I plan on getting anywhere near 50 CVs on meta
 
user4639281
6:39 PM
Lol, I think that would be hard.
 
wait, 24?
 
@gunr2171 yeah, just like any other non SO site
 
oh, so similar to 20 -> 40 review items in the CV queue.
but why 24? not 20 or 25
 
user4639281
4 extra for good measure?
 
shrug maybe
 
user4639281
6:49 PM
And not 25 because odd numbers are evil....
 
Because it's 12x2
 
not sure if serious or not
 
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A: Should available close votes be a function of inflation or rep?

Jeff AtwoodThe default # of close votes per day is 12. I just noticed that SU and SF have been at 24 close votes per day per user since ... well, forever. I'm going to go ahead and make 24 close votes per day the new default network-wide to start, and meanwhile it has been set to 50 for SO.

 
oh
 
Interesting, I never noticed that. Then again, I really only use my CVs on Stack Overflow
 
6:55 PM
the mods on CR are quick to close off-topic questions, so i rarely get to cast votes
didnt even notice that i had more close votes on SO
 
@cimmanon I noticed that too. Have the rep requirements gone up yet?
@cimmanon nope I just voted to close something on CR with my 531 rep
 
@Closey starting
 
@gunr2171 Watch out for audits!
 
working on "source-code scraper"
 
7:11 PM
@gunr2171 I got 36 source code questions today
 
ok
 
@durron597 dunno, i have over 3k rep on CR. i dont think it goes up until it is officially graduated
 
> i wanna learn core mechanism about silverght but reading books is somehow too abstract for me.
@TomCaps - What do you mean? You're doing Silverlight projects that you have no idea how or why they work? — Jared Farrish Jun 27 '11 at 1:29
oh god that's great
passed python audit
 
@Closey starting
 
@rene Good luck!
 
7:30 PM
passed c# audit
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 4 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@gunr2171 Your last completed review session ended 3 seconds ago and lasted 23 minutes and 38 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 35 seconds.
 
the next review day i'll be above Roman C
 
7:34 PM
 
however, I'm out of state so I won't be around this weekend
I don't think he'll get that ping @durron597
 
We are not a social network: stackoverflow.com/questions/14625923/…
 
@rene boom
 
@durron597 That has two reopen votes already
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 4 hours to continue reviewing.
 
7:36 PM
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
I'd agree that post is POB
 
user4639281
@durron597 Moderator against the CVR Room.... dhun dhun dhunnnnn......
 
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Q: Why was this question undeleted?

durron597Storing installation files in Version Control This question was deleted as part of the source-code cleanup. It now has two reopen votes. I don't understand why this question has been reopened. It is a blatantly opinion based question and doesn't have one answer. The solution to it is basically ...

 
user4639281
> I don't understand why this question has been reopened.
 
user4639281
I think you mean 'undeleted'
 
7:42 PM
just edited that
 
user4639281
no you didn't.....
 
> I don't understand why this question is being reopened.
 
Okay, I gotta hurry and get my delete votes in before @rene goes to bed.
 
user4639281
oh I see.
 
sure
@Closey last session stats
 
7:43 PM
@rene Your last completed review session ended 6 minutes and 55 seconds ago and lasted 10 minutes and 22 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 15 seconds.
 
well the post has been edited and reopened by a (different) mod
 
all done
 
user4639281
@durron597 can you think of a new reason besides POB to close that question again? Otherwise we should just edit that tag out.
 
7:52 PM
@rene thx
 
user4639281
Oh, the tag is gone now anyways
 
George stocker has changed my mind. I've VTCed my meta question as obsolete, can others do the same please
 
8:30 PM
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 13 secs ago, by durron597
Actually, @Undo I bet smokey should start doing that right now - reporting stackoverflow posts to that room
@rene @gunr2171 what do you think ^^^
 
user4639281
I agree
 
bring smokey in @Undo
 
kk
I don't even know if CE works on SO chat.
We'll find out >:D
 
that ^^
 
@Undo CE?
 
@Undo @Closey is written in C#
 
okay, let's try this
 
can't help you there
 
(in a second, have to commit and do CI and all the stuff)
 
smokey has explicit write access now, just in case...
 
8:46 PM
okay, it's running
 
@Undo It does, I've tested it
 
sweet
 
I see nothing...
 
404 client error getting the room
oh duh
 
user4639281
?
 
8:48 PM
I left the space for the room ID blank
 
user4639281
lolz
 
41570
 
hah!
 
user4639281
Nukkin rights
 
@SmokeDetector !!/rev
 
8:50 PM
@rene He isn't listening on this room
 
ah
 
Just the Tavern and CHQ right now
 
OK
 
user4639281
Why not?
 
Because I'm lazy
PRs accepted :)
 
8:50 PM
good reason
 
So that'll give you every post reported on SO.
Let me know if you want to trim the reasons down
 
@rene What do you think about renaming the room to like "SO Lynch Mob" or "SO Garbage Ninjas" or something
I'm just thinking the scope has been a bit broadened in recent weeks
 
"garbage ninjas" sounds like a title a sanitation department would give their employees to make them feel better.
 
If it get's changed I rather keep it neutral
 
@rene Sure, my point was more about broadening the name now that we're receiving spam notifications and burninating tags than about being the "SO Janitor Army"
 
9:11 PM
Just give me a couple of days to chew on the idea ... a to hostile name might scare users that want come here to discuss the closure and/or have re-open requests. I don't mind being strict in applying rules and using our moderation abilities but I don't want to hamper feedback from (new) users that have posts by us closed and/or deleted.
 
Alternative idea: Don't rename this room, keep it to close votes. Instead funnel Smokey's output into the tavern, where we already have EditMonitor running

The SO Tavern (Free Snacks)

Room 5 was frozen for inactivity even though it was once an ac...
 
OK, that is also an option
And I'm a RO there as well so for me not much change ;)
 
@KevinBrown That room is empty a lot of the time, this one rarely is
 
@Closey next 5 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@TylerH The next 5 tags are: 106, 98, 95, 90, 89
 
9:20 PM
Is he still in auto mode?
 
no
 
how did that test go?
 
for @gunr2171 perfect
for me not
Notice and on the starboard @TylerH
 
I see them. I will do source-code first
 
OK, tnx
 
PS, don't forget about that list of tutorial questions that Pang posted the other day.
@Closey starting
 
@TylerH Watch out for audits!
 
spend 1 remaining vote on it...
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[open-source]"
A half dozen questions asked two days ago under that tag ^
:-/
Passed C++ audit
 
user4639281
@durron597 not really a duplicate in terms of answers.
 
9:30 PM
@TinyGiant They are both about using curl in php to load a webpage
 
user4639281
It's ok, but the answer doesn't really explain that the issue the OP of the latest question is because they aren't using https....
 
Passed PHP audit
that was easy
see PHP tag > VTC
 
I am really, really tired right now, can someone look at these three links and tell me what the right thing to do is:
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Q: Getting a manual security code review done - What to watch out for?

siliconpiWe have a PHP application that we want to get code reviewed from an external security consultant, but I'm not clear on "how to" go about that process. We did specify what kind of tests he should be doing, and the first part of his submitted report just points out VERY standard 'issues' in the us...

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Q: Getting a manual security code review done - What to watch out for?

matt74tmWe have a PHP application that we want to get code reviewed from an external security consultant, but I'm not clear on "how to" go about that process. We did specify what kind of tests he should be doing, and the first part of his submitted report just points out VERY standard 'issues' in the us...

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Q: Finding security consultant for doing in-depth code review?

siliconpiWe have a PHP application that we know has poor coding practices (because the developers did not have a good understanding of PHP / programming fundamentals). This could lead to the scenario where we have severe security flaws in our code even at the "logic level". How/Where do I locate a consul...

 
@durron597 First one: Too Broad; doesn't relate to programming as specified by the Help Center
 
@TylerH That's not the issue I'm referring to. See the second two links
 
9:38 PM
the second link is the same question but on Security.SE
(I'm not sure what you're asking there, I guess)
 
@TylerH Right, so is it appropriate to flag for mod deletion under cross-posting rules
The thing is, the guy didn't cross post, someone else did
and the third one is the one written by the first asker
 
are they being linked to now/causing damage?
If not, the typical Shog-response is "let sleeping dogs lie"
 
Not to my knowledge, but the first one is tagged
 
If you really wanted to do something about it, I would just suggest flagging the second link for moderator attention and say "it's old but this user crossposted a question by original user at [insert 1st link here], and then the original user posted their own version on this site at [insert 3rd link here]. Not sure what the protocol is". Or ask a meta question about it on Security Meta
Either way, the SO question is too broad and I don't really think the tag applies anyway, even back when it wasn't black-listed
 
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is off topic for Stack Overflow and it was cross posted on Security.SE twice here and heredurron597 8 secs ago
 
9:42 PM
voted
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[source-code]"
 
@TylerH Edited it
I HAVE ONE CV LEFT WHERE SHOULD IT GO
 
did you cv the one I posted way above?
 
@TylerH Yes
 
then I dunno
do whatever you want
ANARCHY
 
try a Jon Skeet question, those are fun to CV
 
9:47 PM
lol
everybody is not rich here — Jegg Jun 19 at 12:20
preach brother
 
@TylerH BOOM
I want to tag all of those tutorial so they're easy to review
 
Passed iOS audit
oh I was wondering why that had a scraper tag
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 2 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@TylerH Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
9:51 PM
And out of CVs, downvotes, and delete votes once again. Another satisfying day
If anyone with less than 10k rep is looking for things to delete downvote I recommend this link
 
user4639281
@durron597 try this link it filters out locked posts, which cannot be voted on
 
@TinyGiant Oh, well I used my downvotes on the SEDE answer query
which are more annoying but I know which ones I've already downvoted so it's okay
 
user4639281
hmm, and it doesn't seem to properly filter the locked questions out...
 
@TinyGiant huh? which one doesn't it miss?
 
user4639281
The first result
 
user4639281
Oh, wait, now it's working
 
user4639281
Voted to reopen, will watch it and vote to close if it get's reopened.
 
@durron597 flagged for moderators
@TinyGiant why vote to reopen if you will vote to close?
 
user4639281
So it happens faster and we don't lose track of it.
 
9:59 PM
@TinyGiant It might not happen at all
 
user4639281
If everyone in here voted to reopen then voted to close again, it would be over in minutes
 
user4639281
We all get 1 reopen vote per question anyways, why not use it?
 
user4639281
^ elastic?
 
nope, -baba-
But the second answer is clear NAA.
 
user4639281
On that reopen war question, if the answer starts (pretty close) with IMHO, it's opinion based... IMHO
 
10:06 PM
0
Q: Synonym request: [source-code-quality] is just [code-quality]

durron597tl;dr: Can we have source-code-quality synonymed to code-quality please? Facts: code-quality 310 questions - Wiki: Code quality is a measure of how well a set of code balances qualities of maintainability, performance, and style. source-code-quality 36 questions - Wiki: Source Code ...

^^^ seriously, people? how does that tag even get created?
Worse still is how do they have exactly the same wiki?
 
user4639281
Both tag wiki's suggested by users who are still under 1000 rep. Looking at the tag wiki for source-code-quality, every question that truly fits in that tag is off-topic as belongs on codereview.se
 
10:47 PM
hi all
 
user4639281
Ello :)
 
user4639281
@JonClements Oh yeah, we've somewhat got smokey in this room now.
 
user4639281
Except he doesn't listen yet
 
haha... fair enough
 
user4639281
And only relating to SO
 
10:50 PM
@durron597 you about?
 
user4639281
I think he might be sleeping
 
yeah... I must remember to do that now and again :p
 
user4639281
Noooooooo, why would you do that?
 
user4639281
^ It's working.... don't know what he's talking about...
 
user4639281
But that whole question and it's answers are kind of... bad
 
user4639281
10:57 PM
@JonClements what would be the best close reason for the question attached to that answer? I'm torn between unclear and no mcve
 
user4639281
Oh, or too broad, that works too.
 
Does anyone know a fix for this?
 
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