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Xeo
7:00 PM
Not enough time to play that right now, gonna wait for the next dealz
 
sbi
Good evening.
 
Xeo
Sup
 
sbi
Oh, you, robot.
You are, why I'm here.
 
What's up?
 
Xeo
7:03 PM
Still having fun with git?
 
sbi
No, not at this time. Currently I am having fun with the Telekom. :(
@R.MartinhoFernandes I need to pull back my commitment to the bookstore on Friday. I am sorry.
 
No problem.
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
minecraft at 5000FPS
 
I was kinda planning on having a not so public dinner anyway.
 
sbi
7:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ??
 
Xeo
デートかな?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I forgot (well, I hadn't put it down in my calender) that I had promised my oldest to spend that evening with her. I am truly sorry, but I cannot skip this one.
 
@sbi I was thinking of changing plans. No worries.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Phew. OK, so we both changed plans.
 
Fuck, why does gcc lack the codecvt class family?
 
sbi
7:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am still available the weekend evenings and on Wednesday and Thursday next week. And I gladly pencil in Friday, 3rd, for the bookstore.
 
@sbi Which Friday is the 5th? February 2016?
 
Friday, Sith
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Whaddayamean, 5th? :)
 
Dat edit.
 
sbi
@sehe No, Friday was a cannibal, not a Sith.
 
7:11 PM
True. That's old though. I never actually read it
 
sbi
@sehe No? Wow. Why not?
 
It's one those that never made it on the list early enough I fear
 
@sbi Sounds good.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Friday, the 5th 3rd, you mean?
 
Had I known that "reading life" ended a lot sooner than "developing life" I might have contracted advisors to organize the reading list by priority :/
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7:13 PM
Yeah.
 
sbi
@sehe I know exactly what you mean.
@sehe I know exactly what you mean.
 
:D
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I knew exactly what you meant.
 
@sbi Well, I will make a motion for a change of plans. I need some approval from the other party.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, OK. Best of luck, then!
 
7:15 PM
guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud morning
 
Why am I talking in such a roundabout manner.
 
sbi
2 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I'm a dumbass.
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK, it's in my calender now.
 
god the tutorial is so bad
 
Now to write that message. See you in three hours.
 
The implication is sensible
 
sbi
7:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Such an important message?!
 
I'm bad at this, ok?
 
Hofstadter's Law applied to personal communications
 
sbi
@sehe The sensibilities are implied.
 
Yup. I was looking for better words, but that was close enough
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's to be bad about it? Just say what you mean.
 
7:22 PM
80% of my scribblings in the lounge end in "sigh, [Esc]".
It's good that there is no Skype-ish "sehe is typing a message" or I'd be all socially awkward again and feel pressured.
 
sbi
@sehe Oh, doesn't Opera show this? FF certainly does.
 
@sbi This is probably double-edged. Maybe the thing is he (a) wants to be sure he knows what he means (b) wants to be sure that the way it comes out will convey that to the receiver?
@sbi Nice try
Communication is teh hardz
 
sbi
@sehe Thanks!
@sehe If it is that hard to convey your meaning to someone, maybe you do not quite fit to that someone? Well, or you are exceptionally bad at getting your point across. Robotic, even.
BTW, @sehe, will I see you at MeetingC++ this year?
 
@sbi That's scary.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're afraid of your own thoughts?
 
7:26 PM
@sbi That's a bit harsh. People are developing.
Jun 8 at 12:34, by sehe
Jun 1 at 22:41, by sehe
Doesn't make it all irrelevant. Growing pains happen
 
sbi
@sehe Me, harsh? Never!
 
True that
 
sbi
FWIW, I do not think he's bad at getting his point across. But I couldn't let this chance pass.
 
@sbi Yes.
Also I'm tired.
Maybe I'll do this tomorrow.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes What thoughts are those? (You do know you're posting under your real name, do you?)
 
7:29 PM
How's that relevant?
 
@sbi If it's exceptionally easy to exchange all of your inner feelings, maybe it's time to get out of the comfort zone.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes That depends on what the thoughts are. If they are particularly scary, the police might be interested. :)
 
They only scare me, rest assured.
 
I'd say it's a sign of living. To scary things are the things that may bring the best results
 
sbi
@sehe Why would you ever want to leave the comfort zone in a relationship?
 
7:31 PM
Whoosh
The very relationship could be out of your comfort zone. I can't believe you totally forgot about this.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is that because you're the only one in the know?
@sehe I failed at this relationship thing, remember?
 
Mmm. Better point than I gauged it as immediately
@sbi Programmers...
 
@sbi I have no idea.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes What are you doing here anyway? Go and write your love letter!
 
@sbi I guess what we can take away here is this: It's good to sort your feelings out when you notice this is getting you out of your comfort zone.
And then, sage advice from people who've been there (multiple times), those are really the mechanics, and not important enough. Remember it's just two people and freedom to be who you are.
 
7:35 PM
7 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Also I'm tired.
 
Well. In fairness, you started it :)
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Alles Ausreden!
 
Immer.
 
@sbi Maybe.
xkcd 55 :D
 
sbi
7:38 PM
Well, folks. It's been fun hanging out with you here. But I gonna have to get up at 5:45 again tomorrow morning, and be awake enough to whip the kids out the door in time.
So I'd better got to bed now.
Good night!
 
I feel too lazy to get my ass to bed.
 
sbi
Just sleep at your desk!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think the ape has a point. Romantics are... romantic. I think it's important to at least evaluate that part of the feelings. But, don't forget you have a life to live and a life to give. That's something that comes naturally and really shouldn't be complicated (past participle, not adjective)
 
sbi
@Puppy Here's what an old fart considers an important question: Did you fight this through or was it given to you of their own free will?
 
7:40 PM
they gave it to me
I didn't even ask
 
It's a trap!
 
sbi
@Puppy So you were paid too little before.
 
clearly
 
:D
 
That extra money is clearly poisoned.
 
7:41 PM
although to be fair, my past history was not especially compelling
however I'm given to understand that my current performance, well, is.
 
sbi
Anyway, I need to go to bed now.
Good night!
 
@Puppy That's actually good. It's one thing to have skills, and another well to perform well at a job
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@sehe Dunno what to take from that. There's... complicated stuff.
 
Yeah. I'm absolutely in favour of "take your time" and "explore new feelings alone and together as desired".
However, once it gets to that romantic cliff of fear, remember it's all in the game and if it takes so much to make it work, it might not be worth it.
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@sehe (dayum what an annoying edit failure)
Agony and yearning might be a tad overrated.
Although they're closely associated with things I love.
 
@sehe I'm just too tired for this.
 
7:48 PM
Then it's most probably time to sleep. (Beware of the procrastination demon. Somethings never get easier, only harder)
 
robot is so sweet when he talks about his love stuff
 
Almost like Alex when he talks about food
 
@AlexM. That's what my friends say :|
 
Sometimes I get the feeling I'm overthinking everything.
 
7:50 PM
This might not be unlikely. Do you have a propensity to analyze stuff?
Are relationships hard to analyze?
--> bingo
And then again. You are what you think. So, don't change it out of laziness. Change it when it becomes a bore/an obstruction
 
These past two months have been too intense.
 
Intensity is partly subjective. Things get less intense if you accept you don't grok everything. But, you know, where's the fun in that :)
 
On one hand, I want to take the easy way out and end up with yet another close friend. On the other hand, I made that choice many times before and I don't feel like making it once again. On the gripping hand, I start second-guessing myself and then I don't know anything anymore.
 
user1804599
> Researchers say fighting a bull as infrequently as once a week can still lead to a variety of acute and chronic health problems among bullfighters.
 
gee
 
8:05 PM
fuck
fucking KSP and it's useless fucking save system
I was just starting to enjoy playing it again
 
@Xeo I wanted to get that but then I remembered that I must get divinity first
some time ago I decided between wasteland 2 full price and divinity full price and went with wasteland 2
 
@sehe Intense as in too much happening, too fast, too frequent, too overlapped.
The Mountain Goats is just so good.
 
Xeo
Go into kitchen for 2mins -> both cats disguise as tripping traps in front of the kitchen door.
 
8:21 PM
Does svn download all files separately?
Downloading LLVM is taking way too long...
 
SVN has always been slow as fuck.
And LLVM is kinda large.
 
@Xeo They're working together now
You're doomed
 
Xeo
I think somebody got inspired by @Andy's vid
 
8:31 PM
@nabijaczleweli You can get it via git, you know...
 
> Let's hope he doesn't discover that in MSVC <snippet> compiles...
 
Wait what, it does?
 
@Griwes Yes. It was on SO
 
o.O
 
@Griwes Which downloads even more data, that'll make it faster!
 
8:33 PM
@CatPlusPlus But it downloads it faster!
 
5
Q: Visual C++ 2013 - Call conversion operator on a primitive type T

LogicStuffI changed the return type of a function from class (implicitly convertible to bool) to bool. I also tried an explicit call of the conversion operator and I forgot to remove .operator bool() call on the function return value. And so I discovered a set of strange behaviors of MSVC 2013 compiler. N...

 
MSVC is a joke.
 
It's an expensive joke
With a lot of decoy features, admittedly
 
Xeo
Your mom's a joke.
 
@Griwes I didn't. Still wanna do everything exactly as instructions say (I gave up on this way too many times already). Thanks for the info, though
 
8:37 PM
@nabijaczleweli Just FTR if you are on Debian or Ubuntu there's prebuilt binaries.
 
Xeo
Crap. I think I ate too much watermelon.
 
@Griwes There are prebuilts for Windows, too. The thing is, they automatically assume you use MSVC, so I need to build it from source anyway
 
@nabijaczleweli Okay - for some reason I assumed you are on a system that is not hostile to a developer as much as Windows :P
inb4 "stop trolling"
 
I wonder if I can get some MSVC devs in this chat room.
@sehe Also.. WAT.
 
@Griwes It gets "funnier", when I'm making Makefiles & interops with Travis (Linux). busybox is a prerequisite for everything, basically
 
8:42 PM
@nabijaczleweli heh
Maybe just get an actual Linux, possibly in a VM? :D
 
so expensive
 
@Griwes I have a VM, but just for testing. Not enough power for more
Also, props to clang for hardcoding include paths into exe
Very helpful and extensible
 
2
Q: OS X libstdc++ prevents boost::thread from interruptions?

peetonnConsider the following sample code which creates a thread and interrupts it from the main thread using thread::interrupt call: #include <iostream> #include <boost/thread.hpp> #include <boost/chrono.hpp> #include <boost/ref.hpp> int main() { int counter = 0; boost::thread t([&counter]()...

Nice new bug spot with Boost Thread + libc++
@nabijaczleweli I think gcc does that too
In effect, all popular compiler chains do this, to an extent.
 
@sehe But it isn't a frontend, which also promotes itself as extensible.
As a Windows user, I don't have /usr/local/include
 
That's exactly my point. On windows, you do get automatic links to kernel.dll etc.
 
Nobody ever thought of that joke
 
Xeo
never ever
 
@CatPlusPlus Does the set of jokes that you find funny intersect with any other set of jokes, or is it just the empty set?
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cmake tells me gcc is broken, but doesn't let me see the test program. GG
I hate cmake
int main(argc, argv)
  int argc;
  char* argv[];
{ (void)argv; return argc-1;}
dafuq is this shit
 
9:03 PM
C.
K&R C.
 
The syntax looks so broken
 
A basic test if you have a K&R C compiler.
:P
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion The empty set intersects with all sets!
 
@nabijaczleweli That's how C used to be written!
@Xeo lol
 
@Griwes It's #ifdefed with __CLASSIC_C__
 
9:05 PM
Is gnu-c a thing? I'm asking because of questions tagged with gnu and c appear in the legal cleanup. Would having a tag make sense?
 
GNU C is ISO C with GNU extensions.
 
> "Let's do another game ... [] this one is also based on nudity"
Oh wait. Just sloppy pronunciation of Unity
 
Damn GCC. :|
Or libstdc++ rather.
std::codecvt<char16_t, char> and the char32_t versions are only available in gcc 5.1 or higher
 
@Rapptz Also tried to use them, was unpleasantly surprised
 
Just head over to Boost.Locale hides
 
9:08 PM
no
 
@Griwes But I don't wanna use Boost! childly screamy-cries
 
@nabijaczleweli :D
Then head over into the shadowy lands of ICU hides even more
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Oh I'm gonna have some fun with libstdc++ this week or the next...
 
@Griwes Am currently trying to. Am utterly confused by wtf's happening
 
:D
 
Xeo
9:10 PM
stupid has_trivial_copy_constructor instead of is_trivially_copyable
 
@Rapptz isn't rather wellknown? (does the standard require these? I might be confused with stream types/facets)
 
That got fixed eons ago lol
 
@Griwes That is great. would users search or subscribe to 300-ish questions using that tag or is it just non-sense?
 
@sehe That'd be <codecvt> not existing.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz "eons"? wasn't that some 5.0 or something?
 
9:10 PM
These are in <locale> though so I thought it'd be fine.
@Xeo nop.
I've been using is_trivially_X since GCC 4.8
 
Yup me too. Didn't even realize that had been absent
 
Gotta wait for TDM to move over to 5.x
 
@rene Dunno. Doesn't change the fact that the tag is certainly meaningful.
 
Xeo
in any case, the current version we got doesn't have it. so I'll try updating, and if that doesn't work out, I'll use some nasty UB to check for the correct name
 
Don't use TDM GCC.
 
Xeo
9:12 PM
or just a macro test against GCC, I guess
 
@Rapptz What should I use, then?
 
mingw-builds
 
@Rapptz Why is that? If it's 5.x
 
@Griwes tnx
 
Xeo
welp, time for sleep
 
9:13 PM
Newest TDM is 4.9.2
 
any good online talk/lecture?
 
the ones about linking mainly
the rest are whatever
 
@Rapptz Maybe that's why I was unable to throw the other day!
 
Yay, I finally understood why this piece of code didn't compile. Welp. There is a chance I might need to revisit my way of using shared pointers and variants for building this annotated AST thing... But it ain't nothing some quick and dirty recursive meta-function can't solve <3
 
9:15 PM
@nabijaczleweli Use MinGW-w64
 
...fixed a simple variant mismatch, got a much more complex variant mismatch. FML.
 
@Nooble Trying now, thanks!
 
Where's my GADTs again?
...110 lines of not viable overloads. lol
 
XIlluminatiBackdoor(3): This function is a dud, it is only here until the conspiracy theorists notice it.
top kek
 
I have acquired this
METAL GEAR SOLID V: GROUND ZEROES
 
9:21 PM
@AlexM. Such caps. Much wow
 
it's all caps because it's a JAPANESE game
it also has a weird name because it's JAPANESE
also look at REVENGEANCE
 
9:33 PM
In other news, here's wat I found in our main conference room
 
@sehe scratch marks?
 
Our CEO wasn't aware of it.
 
or is it the legs?
no it must be the chairs
 
It's much simpler
 
@sehe plot twist: he put it there
but told nobody
 
9:35 PM
Nah. I think I know who did that :)
He's not often in the office anymore, but still works for the company
 
I think I'd do something like that too haha
I find silly and out of line things funny
it gives you a bit of impression that you're not following the same template as everyone else in the office
time to play witcher 3
 
Oh no! Hitler blaming me in Italian for monads in C++ and demonic Haskell. At least food and wine are good in Italy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pObaq2UZcU
 
it doesn't look as good as andy's
 
yeah
 
@Rapptz the exception models seem to be the same as mingw; the static linkage might be a feature to some/many. What quirks make you recommend against it?
 
9:44 PM
and is in Italian. And apparently is against monads, eh.
 
the static linking 'quirk'.
 
@Rapptz As I read it it just doesn't link dynamically by default.
 
o/
 
> TDM-GCC still includes DLL versions of the libgcc and libstdc++ runtimes, which you can enable for your program with "-shared-libgcc" and "-shared-libstdc++" if desired.
 
@sehe Yeah and people stick to the defaults.
Now if someone wants to build library X they just statically linked libstdc++ to the library.
 
9:46 PM
Wholla. Fire people.
 
It makes no sense for it to be statically linked by default anyway due to the licensing.
 
That's a fair point. TDM might encourage GPL violations there
 
Doesn't libstdc++ have an exception for that? (I'm not sure of this)
 
Why/how would/could they do this
 
9:52 PM
reading
 
I think it covers this.
 
Yeah neither libgcc nor libstdc++ should make your code GPL whether you link it in dynamically or not
 
Ell
Yeah libstdc++ is an exception
I think mysticial asked this a while ago
 
Otherwise it would always make your code GPL, again regardless of whether you link it dynamically or not
So that point is moot
 

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