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3:00 PM
@Vogel612 niters!
 
Wow seriously never even heard of it until now. Not very familiar with colleges though. Sounds pretty good though from what Google is telling me
@Vogel612 Enjoy your weekend!
 
Don't trust Google.
 
Google is evil, it's a well known fact
 
yeah, use DuckDuckGo
:D
 
haha it was more the google reviews of the school. It's funny because everyone is either 5 stars or 1 star
Hate it or love it ...(the underdogs on top)
 
3:02 PM
people who majored in technical stuff and people who majored in arts
got a good job, works for McDonalds
(just taking the piss here, don't punch me)
 
My favourite review is this one "love this achool , facility is great and the staff are awesome"
Can't tell if he was drunk and thinking about alcohol, or meant school
College students.. ami right
 
@Tavo lol! We used to chant "McDonalds" at arts students in frosh week at my uni. Until people cried to the school and it got "banned"
 
To be fair, higher education is cool, but overrated. I finally finished my degree just this past year
 
@Kylar VLQ:OffTopic/16
 
3:06 PM
with a minor in Children's Literature, might I add.
 
@Kylar can't agree with that statement
I think it's oversold, but not overrated
 
Schools suck. That's all I have to say about institution systems.
 
@Tavo I disagree. I'm someone who interviews and makes hiring decisions on a regular, ongoing basis. If your resume gets to me and you have solid experience (Like working on a known open source project, for instance), you are like, 10 times more likely to get in here for an interview. The only time a degree helps is if you have nothing else.
 
I think its a really subjective topic
 
@Kylar you are putting experience vs non experience. I agree with that
 
3:08 PM
I feel like @Tavo was more referencing life experience / good times . Or am I wrong
 
but experience will always trump a degree.
 
but if I see 10 years experience on both, then what call do you make?
 
The experience will be what I make a decision on, not where you went to school, or if you went to uni.
 
Call in both and check...
 
@Tavo interview both
 
3:10 PM
to be honest, I've interviewed people that applied to senior positions claiming years of experience and they were definitely not up to the expectations (to say the least)
experience is FAR from being all
 
if both candidates has same experience but a specific one has all the degrees in the world ever, their degrees adds zero to their candidacy :p
 
To be fair though, I'm royally pissed off at some open source idiots right now though :)
 
@Tavo "claiming"
 
@Unihedron I would agree with that statement
 
@Unihedron I'm quite sure everyone interviewing have had the same experience
 
fge
3:10 PM
I disagree... Having a high level degree proves that you are adaptable, if not smart
 
@Kylar The question you linked is now nuked from the orbit ;)
 
I think that geographic locale has a lot to do with it as well
 
fge
I have no degree to speak of
And I deeply regret it
 
@fge I think that having a degree shows that you're persistent, dedicated and well rounded, most likely
 
aww don't be sad have a cyber cookie
 
3:11 PM
but it has almost no bearing on if you'll be a good software engineer.
 
Personally I went for engineering and wouldn't able to be a computer engineer without a degree
In Canada atleast
 
@Kylar I disagree with that. It gives you a good base
 
fge
@Kylar that also is true, yes; however there are software packages out there which you wouldn't be able to write even if you were a top developer if you have poor CS knowledge
Coq is an example
OpenCV is another
 
it shows you how to think and how to approach certain issues
 
fge
I agree with @Tavo here
 
3:12 PM
some knowledge will get outdated quickly
 
fge
Experience does not make everything
 
but that's only normal in this industry
 
Yeah I also agree. It teaches you how learn efficiently as well
 
please note that I'm not saying a degree is all
 
Interesting. Here's more food for thought: If I could hire just one person from this chatroom - do you know who it would be?
 
3:13 PM
fge probably
 
Nope
 
Yourself? or maybe Tavo for completing his arguements
 
his answers make a lot of sense, and he has a good technical knowledge
 
0 for 2.
:)
I would never hire myself. I'm too opinionated.
LOL
 
@Dustiny he wouldn't hire me, we disagree :P
 
fge
3:14 PM
I'd vote for Madara
 
@Kylar then you are doing it wrong :P
 
I thought it was going to be a plot twist though
 
@Tavo Nah, I disagree with everyone at some point. That's just part of being on a team.
 
@Kylar JK
 
@Kylar I'd hire you :D
 
fge
3:15 PM
Personally, I have much more experience in systems engineering but I've had my content of it
 
@Tavo The positions that I hire for are ones that I would be... let's say a poor fit for.
 
fge
@Kylar and what are those?
 
If I need a software engineer, then hiring a distributed systems architect would suck
I mean, I could do it, but I wouldn't be super happy
 
and a lot more expensive ;)
 
;)
I'd probably hire @Unihedron if I had the chance
 
3:16 PM
i'm honored
 
@Kylar would you care to elaborate?
 
for a variety of reasons - technical acumen, sure - but he's creative, well spoken, willing to state when he thinks he's right, but has on multiple occasions gracefully acknowledged when he didn't know something or was wrong. He's constantly learning and striving for knowledge, and to the best of my knowledge - I've never seen him make the same mistake twice.
 
fair enough reasons
I've seen a few reasons why I wouldn't, but they are all based on soft skills
 
I've never seen him belittle someone who needs honest help either - and that's something that the more senior people could learn from as well
He's much more of a team player than most
 
:O
 
3:19 PM
I assume that if you get to me, you've got the hard skills to make it.
The soft skills and team dynamics are a really hard thing to gauge though
 
not so much
 
Plus, he's young, so he'll be cheap ;)
 
hah
that's your real reason
 
fge
@Kylar curiously I don't have the same opinion as you on some points :p
 
@Tavo if you make it through a phone screen, take home code, an in-person coding interview and 8 people on my team - you can code your way out of a paper bag, at least.
 
3:20 PM
you don't want to pay $100k
 
@fge That's not curious at all. We all have different opinions and interactions
 
@fge same here, but yet again all of this is personal opinions :)
 
personalities are the most difficult thing to manage on a team
 
OMG
 
not the work
 
fge
3:21 PM
Anyway -- I'm very happy with my job
 
my points are gone
 
fge
Especially since it makes me use one of my projects on a daily basis
 
fge
Nothing more gratifying than eating your own dog's food
 
@Kylar agreed. But again being able to code is far from everything
 
3:22 PM
lol -2751 reputation?
 
@Unihedron Looks like a glitch.
DB issues?
 
oh well, it's been a good conversation anyway
 
Agreed!
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 mins ago, by nicael
@Uni very sorry, accidentally dumped all your rep! :P
 
I find this recruitment talk very interesting as someone new to the business
 
3:22 PM
always happy to read other people's opinions on hiring
very hairy topic always
 
race conditions with rapid accept-unaccepting my answer T_T
 
And as always: We're Hiring: jobs.apple.com/us/…*USA&pN=0
 
hahahaha
 
@Dustiny I had a great time smoking with that gorgeous italian girl ad chatting :3
 
fge
Were I recruiting I'd ask for dedication and curiosity, first and foremost
 
3:24 PM
@Kylar you had planned this all along
 
@Kylar Aww nothing in Gothenburg :/
 
Ahahaha, nope. @Unihedron can't work here anyways, he's not 18.
 
I suppose I'll have to move to the capital one day :P
 
@Tavo the reverse principle doesn't work either
 
Great convo all. I enjoyed it.
 
3:24 PM
@Kylar Oh god apple. Do you guys play U2 through the PA system? ;)
 
Unless... I can work from home! :D
 
fge
<-- won't work for Apple in any case
 
@Dustiny We're in iCloud, so more of an isolated thing. We play Tragically Hip
 
As long as I get to learn new things and have new challenges I don't care who I work for
 
@fge I implemented your idea now I have a SortedSet of vertices and a TreeMap<String, Integer> of <Vertex, Cost>
 
fge
3:25 PM
@Gemtastic that's all fine but you lack perseverance :p
 
@fge No I don't
 
fge
@Sabir a String is not a Vertex
 
@Gemtastic yes you do :P
 
What
 
@Tavo Really?
 
3:26 PM
hahaha
 
@fge isn't Vertex supposed to be AB for example?
 
see? already doubting
:P
 
fge
@Gemtastic You do... I can tell... ;)
 
More like "And how do you know?"
 
@Sabir Haha yeah I'm thinking european girls are different then most Canadian girls in that area (accepting smoking)
 
3:26 PM
Oh well. I'm pretty low in confidence too
 
Best way to learn what it's like to have a real job: Find a nearly complete but unused SourceForge or Github project. Spend 6 months on it, whip it into shape. Document it, fix bugs. Then just abandon it and never think of it again.
 
hahahah
 
@Kylar Don't forget to change scope 3 times throughout the process
 
@Kylar it's that Apple's way? Abandoning projects after 6 months? :P
 
@Dustiny I guess. I'm in South africa and many girl here don't like guys who smoke
 
3:27 PM
@Tavo Not Apple, just in general.
 
JK! JK!
 
@Kylar I kinda have a job already
 
Heh
 
it's so true, lol
 
I'm not advancing with it @Tavo :(
 
3:28 PM
@Sabir what have you done since we last spoke?
 
@Sabir how is the software scene in South Africa?
 
But the contract is written kinda poorly in the sense that I don't know if I still have it on moday... it's time-based to today, and then it's supposed to get extended week by week, but they never answered my question about it :/
 
@Sabir Yah it's probably becoming an international thing now. You listen to Jack Parow?
 
@ShotgunNinja It's pretty good they have Amazon Software Development center in Cape Town. But I'm international studying here so I'm not sure. However I know loads of software events are organized and the dev scene is great. Googlers also have come a few weeks ago :D
 
South Africa is doing very well. It's the hub in the area. Plenty of devs going there to work
 
3:30 PM
@Sabir Sweet. How are they handling Life After Mandela?
 
I threw this in here yesterday. But since I'm wasting time here anyways. Anyone decent with JNLP's wanna take a look? stackoverflow.com/questions/30196177/…
 
saving distances, it's the local Singapore
 
@ShotgunNinja As an international student I still think there is a sort of "segragation" in SA, I'm not sure of the right wording.
 
fge
By the way, nobody has answered my largetext challenge as of yet :p
 
I'm a french speaker so it's a bit hard for me to find the right words :3
 
3:31 PM
@Sabir Oh yeah. Last thing I saw on SA was the episode of Parts Unknown on CNN.
 
fge
@Sabir segregation is also an English word
 
That was set in late 2012, early 2013, just after Mandela got sick
 
@Tavo I didn't achieve much all the time was spent on figuring out how to make the matrix. failed everytime
 
and there was still a lot of segregation, lots of separation of peoples into different groups. Apartheid is over, but now the two sides of SA have to come together. It looks like food and programming are the two main ways that's happening right now.
 
@fge segregation is the word google it just now.
 
fge
3:33 PM
segr*egation
 
@ShotgunNinja Sad thing is you see it at university everyday. As an international student I find it a bit hard to fit in, its not as diverse as they claim it to be.
 
idk about French, but in US English at least it's spelled with an e in the middle.
 
fge
Aah, HTTP/2, eh?
 
@Sabir Well, even in my hometown of Milwaukee, WI in the US there's a ton of segregation, and institutional racism and segregation has been illegal for decades.
 
3:34 PM
@fge What did you mean by the Vertex then?
 
fge
@Sabir I meant that it should be a custom object with two strings, one per edge
 
@ShotgunNinja That's why I wanted to go to Canada, life is great there according to my friends.
 
Welcome to Stack Overflow! Please take a tour to learn what this site is about. We expect specific code questions, while futures of software may be on-topic for another site, like Programmers (but take their tour first). — Unihedron 6 secs ago
 
fge
But Canada is cold
Not for me
 
@Sabir It's pretty good, depending on where you go.
 
3:35 PM
@fge but what is the use of it then, instead of simply concatenating the edges?
@fge Canada is cold and uber expensive for me (from Mauritius)
 
fge
@Sabir that makes building your adjacency matrix a LOT easier
 
Let me show you what I did then
 
fge
Sorry, I don't have the time for code reviews
 
Toronto, Vancouver, and Quebec are pretty cool.
 
	static Set<String> s = new HashSet<String>(); //Used to remove duplicates from list of vertices.
	static int[][] adjacencyMatrix;
	static SortedSet<String> vertices  = new TreeSet<String>();
	static TreeMap<String, Integer> edgeCost = new TreeMap<String, Integer>();
 
fge
3:36 PM
Static??
 
					addVertex(source, dest); //Add Vertex to set of vertices. Duplicates are removed.
					addEdge(source+dest, Integer.parseInt(cost)); //Add edges to an array then add array to list of edges.
 
fge
Use a pastebin, please
 
okay
 
fge
Also, you don't need a SortedMap
 
@Sabir Mauritius is a pretty crazy place. I'd love to visit there sometime.
 
3:37 PM
@ShotgunNinja Indeed :D I miss my home lol. That's the real diverse place on earth. ;)
 
and it's all crammed into one tiny little island.
 
My adjacency matrix is messed up I can't code it :(
@ShotgunNinja ...with beautiful beaches :D
Damn 10 minutes and the dining hall closes. I need to go eat before I fall unconscious and cannot write my code
 
but yeah, your adjacency matrix. Slap some code in a pastebin and let's dig through this shit
@Sabir go eat, lol
 
I'll be back asap lol
 
fuck me I'm hungry
 
3:39 PM
Remember to chew
 
Nah, just grab plate, stuff with the goods, and race back to the desk
that's what I always did in college
 
fge
@ShotgunNinja as a Frenchman I can't agree with that
 
> in college
 
fge
Even in college
 
> college
Seriously though, since getting out I've slowed down my eating habits like 3000%
and even in school I never really ate that fast. I always made time for dinner.
or I went to the school cafe, or ordered delivery
 
3:42 PM
Collage
 
I find it funny that I just told a dude in South Africa to go get dinner, while sitting at a desk in Wisconsin.
 
Hi Everybody!
 
Hi program
 
/hello
 
fge
3:45 PM
@Unihedron so, how far have you gone with HTTP/2? Just out of curiosity...
 
well, in 45 minutes I get lunch; coffee, a bowl of kimchi ramen, and a sandwich
 
@fge not significantly far
most of my time working on it consists of looking up something new in order to understand how it's implemented
 
@ShotgunNinja I'll probably grab Quiznos...yum
 
fge
Ohwell
 
And I have a wrapper class all done!
 
fge
3:47 PM
I'm still hunting for a coder
But I suck at head hunting
 
Import Uni ;P
 
fge
@Gemtastic I tried to
 
Aww
 
fge
But recall, I ask for dedication
 
Oh!
 
3:48 PM
sick burn bro
 
I still haven't actually finished the thing, did I? :O
 
fge
@Unihedron that's more than one month after the fact
 
Lmao this conversation has been a mish-mash of compliments and burns towards Uni
 
... whoops
I am so sorry!
 
fge
Not as much as I am... :(
 
3:49 PM
@Dustiny He's only 16 you know.
I wish i was that amazing now!
 
Haha I was just pointing it out
I would agree with the statement of being that amazing now, but when I was 16 I was chasing girls so I can't really complain about where I am
 
When i was 16 I was still chasing my dreams
 
When I was 16 I created an account on Stack Overflow after contributing anonymously for a year.
 
@Gemtastic And you stopped chasing them? Or you obtained them
 
@Dustiny I'm but a caged mockingbird who lost its song
 
3:53 PM
Dreams fade away as we gather knowledge and our state of intelligence disproves hopes in nonsense that we love.
... It's 2015, I want my hoverboard.
 
And I want my cheering crowd
 
That's slightly depressing lol
 
Sorry about that, I didn't mean to throw the atmosphere of the conversation off the tangent. :P
 
I really thought I was gonna become a musician.
 
My dream was to become an engineer. Apparently I didn't set my sights high enough
 
3:54 PM
I even changed my name to a stage name
 
I'll change my name when I'm legally an adult because my parents aren't likely to approve that.
 
What instrument do you play, or do you sing? I'm in a heavy rock band on the side.. starting to play shows
 
Now I'm just a weirdo with a weird name
 
Percussion. I also have an e-piano.
 
I sing and I play a little bit of everything.
Enough to compose
 
3:55 PM
Right on, well I wouldn't give up on that dream entirely.. I mean it's never really too late to become recognized
 
I'll come back when I'm Susan Boyle
 
Would you rather be rich or famous? :P
 
"But there are dreams that cannot be. Now life has killed the dream I dreamed"
 
I'm just starting to play shows now and I'm 23 (which isnt very old, but still)
 
I don't care about the fame or money, I just want to reach people with my music
 
3:57 PM
If I had to choose between the two... famous. Chicks like fame more than money
 
fge
@Unihedron well, if you are still interested I can give you "another chance"; I still believe you have what it takes
 
@Gemtastic become a rock star. You'll get drugs from free :P
 
"Well we all wanna be just a big rock star, living hilltop lives and driving 15 car. The girls come easy and the drugs come cheap and we'll all stay skinny cuz we jsut won't eat"
 
That leaves me out
The only reason I don't weigh 300 pounds is because I play sports
 
This is more like me: youtu.be/XP9pnSXhibw
 
3:59 PM
@Kylar like most people who don't weight 300 pounds
 

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