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10:00 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't really know. I got my senior role after 3 years' full-time because I'm awesome (and the company is tiny), though it's worth nothing that I had been working for them part-time for 7 years before that
 
@BartekBanachewicz ooooh
 
I suppose I'd imagine the average developer to be senior-worthy after, like, ten?
 
On the road! Woohoo!
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I see. So you just got promoted inside a company
@R.MartinhoFernandes finally! congrats
 
But then I know developers with 25 years' experience who barely qualify as junior devs
@BartekBanachewicz yarp
 
10:00 AM
@LightningRacisinObrit dunno, I suppose I'm not average
2
at least technically
my social/communication skills are what's worrying me the most
 
From what little I know of your at-work performance, though you're unlikely to average in skill and imagination, you have yet to quite work out how to work in a team, for a company etc
 
what does a senior do that you cannot
I mean task-wise
 
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senior-only jobs
 
@AlexM. Buy fast cars
 
10:01 AM
@AlexM. talk to people, instruct them, makes choices
 
isn't that like a manager?
 
takes responsibility
 
Being a senior means partially that you are a better developer, but it also typically involves being the guy who people ask questions to and who mentors others
 
@AlexM. sorta in between
 
Sometimes it involves sort of running a sub-team but even then not as a manager.
I would also expect a senior to be heavily involved in architecting, designing, speccing out new products/tools.
 
10:02 AM
We got a ride almost all the way to Düsseldorf, yay.
 
noice
 
for that was the last they ever heard of him
 
> These are the days we won't regret
These are the days we won't forget

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Well, replace "we" with "you"
 
A senior will also liaise with customers directly when the need arises, raising questions with technical partners, that kind of thing
 
10:03 AM
:c
 
You sort of become a manager but without the management in the sense of HR and paperwork :)
I like to call it "technical manager"
 
sounds boring :(
 
It's not - you get to be "the guy", even though your manager still takes home all the money and gets all the credit. But in the technical part of your company, you know you're basically in charge of how you design and architect this shit and you get to talk to whoever you need to talk to to make stuff work, because you're trusted to do so.
 
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@Jefffrey Read more: ASCII
 
at least to me
 
10:04 AM
But really these job titles can mean anything you want them to mean so it could be something completely different elsewhere shrug
 
the best days at work imo are when I don't have to talk to anyone and can just code away
 
My observations lead me to believe that technical skills will build your portfolio and get you through an interview. Media/marketing skills will get you to said interview. But only good communication and social skills will make you happy and satisfied with a job, and possibly get you a promotion
 
especially when I invade code that's not under my direct responsibility and improve it then send patches around
that's the most fun thing
 
@AlexM. I like about 70% that and 30% the other stuff. Amazingly, I'm about getting that atm.
 
@AlexM. do you have so much free time at work?
 
10:06 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I'd agree with all of that.
 
@BartekBanachewicz usually yup
and it's in the company's interest to improve its assets so it's not slacking off either
win-win
 
@AlexM. That's not a good way to work in a team, though. You're going to piss people off and you're not spending company time doing what you're supposed to be doing, unless it's your job to perform general improvements wherever you see fit.
As a senior I can just fix whatever I like if I get a boring moment and commit it myself
(Though in theory I should still be asking for review for each change)
Nowadays I prefer to raise a bug when I see stuff like that if it's substantial, as well as suggesting a fix so I still get the win ;)
If it's insubstantial I try to hold my tongue until real work heads into that part of the codebase, and just quietly sort it out then
Pick your battles etc
 
@LightningRacisinObrit not sure about pissing people off but fwiw I always get what I do through the producer first before sending
so patches always have his approval in the mails
 
inline int SlotsProto_SpinResponse::stop_size() const {
  return stop_.size();
}
 
it's not like I'm randomly sending "yo your code sucks" mails
 
10:08 AM
uh
is it just me or this protobuf generated size thing looks meh
@AlexM. meh
 
@AlexM. lol ok
 
I would love to work with someone else that is more expert than me.
Apparently I can only get things done when working with other people.
 
@Jefffrey I find that fascinating.
Ok well I am better at getting things done when someone's blocked on my doing so. Though that's obvious.
I dislike conventional pair programming because I work much faster than some others
But at a higher level sharing a wider user story with someone else can be fun occasionally, if the granularity of work that you're dividing out to individuals is big enough for me to just get on with my part at my own speed
 
> Jefffrey created repository Jefffrey/Fogh 21 hours ago
didn't last long eh @Jefffrey :P
 
Don't really do that any more. I get on with my own stuff then chip in when the others have a problem/question about their unrelated tasks. That's about the extent of it now.
 
Xeo
10:16 AM
grml grml.
they said they'd be here at 12
grml grml
 
who
it's only 11:16 so
 
it's parcel day!
 
what's a parcel day?
 
a day relating to a parcel
once I'm fed and showered and dressed nicely and whatnot I'll be popping over to the depot to pick up my gift. I'm scared.
 
10:17 AM
I did a project with 3 other students and it was awesome. We would meet at 2PM and work until 7PM, then back from 8PM to 10:30PM and we close issues and stuff.
 
10 hours ago, by Lightning Racis in Obrit
oh btw I just got home an hour or so ago, right, and I found the delivery note for @Xeo's parcel :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's the day when the pizza he ordered last week eventually arrives.
 
no that's Alex
 
@Jefffrey how did you not get annoyed
 
Xeo
10:17 AM
@BartekBanachewicz some kinda plumbers, who seem to need to fix something in my bathroom so that my neighbour above has pressure in her water system again or something
 
@Jefffrey not bad but not enough drinking
I work well at night but only on my "nights off"
"nights off" the pub, that is
 
I'm not sure if I'd enjoy my time here as much if I weren't the only guy in my "team"
 
Xeo
basically, she can't properly use the toilet and show, and they didn't find any problem in her flat. So now they want to check mine
 
@Xeo oh so you're sitting at home today?
 
Xeo
ye
was at work for 2.5h
 
10:18 AM
what time is it now?
 
@BartekBanachewicz get the offer any way vOv bring to manager, get pay rise
 
Xeo
and will work the rest from home
 
@Xeo They will simply transfer the problem to your toilet/show.
 
Xeo
@LightningRacisinObrit You're GMT. We're GMT+1. Guess! :P
 
@Jefffrey most of the projects I did with "students" were annoying because they were on uni
 
10:18 AM
damn you Java File, Y U NO CLOSEABLE!
 
Ok so only 18 minutes late.
 
@thecoshman mmm
 
Xeo
I will if they're not here within 10 minutes
 
nods
@thecoshman that would scare me
 
@BartekBanachewicz warning: could back fire horribly
 
10:19 AM
I'd feel like a total twat
(inb4 I don't think it's just a feeling)
> hi boss btw I've been looking for other jobs behind your back and here's an offer - give me more money or I quit
I mean how awkward is that conversation and every conversation afterwards
 
@LightningRacisinObrit you called it alright
you could always not phrase it like a twat
 
go on then Casanova show us how it's done
 
maybe "I've been offered a job closer to where I want to be..."
 
^that.
 
"but son, you live in this building"
"yes, I want to be not here"
 
10:21 AM
@LightningRacisinObrit S'OK - bosses are total twats too - they are also looking around for better-paid boss-jobs, so they will understand.
 
@thecoshman that's just a fancy word for "more cash"
or "better title"
 
@thecoshman Why do you need that?
 
The two possible outcomes are: you are offered a raise and stay, or you leave and take the new job.
 
File should rather be named Path
 
Ven
10:22 AM
@LightningRacisinObrit "hey, I was just checking my worthiness in the current market, and I noticed ..."
 
@milleniumbug try(myFile = new File("openThisPlese"){ /* use it */ } catch(exception bullshit){} /* I 'forgot' to close it, no big deal though, it already is closed */
 
@milleniumbug I usually name such things 'fileSpec'
 
Xeo
they're here
20 mins, that's not too bad
 
@Xeo who?
 
@thecoshman File is not a file.
 
Xeo
10:23 AM
5 mins ago, by Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz some kinda plumbers, who seem to need to fix something in my bathroom so that my neighbour above has pressure in her water system again or something
 
@Xeo Take a shower/shit now - it'll be days before you can do so again.
 
@thecoshman you're so bad at reading
 
@BartekBanachewicz Redding is a fine place
 
@thecoshman What? It has Oracle in it!
 
@MartinJames did I spell it right?
 
Xeo
10:26 AM
@MartinJames Nah, I can always do that at my friend's place - he lives right below me, after all.
 
@thecoshman If you meant the place on the M4 with Oracle and a football stadium with an unpronounceable name, no:)
 
Xeo
unless they also fuck up his plumbings
om nom nom Toffifay
 
isn't that Toffifee
 
@thecoshman what drug fuelled dream did that come from?
 
10:28 AM
lol people are mad at valve again
(intro: you can buy stickers to place on weapons in cs go)
> "So, while we’ll be looking at the most highly rated workshop stickers, successful stickers can represent anything from original abstract designs to your team or event logos."
this time they took all of the stickers made by one person and sold them in a capsule, regardless of community choices
people tracked down the fact that the guy is a gamedev who worked at Bungie and is friends with plenty of Valve guys
 
Unleash the furyhammer
 
I dunno how I feel about paid mods.
 
those nerdkids need something better to do
like go outside
instead of whining about everything Valve does ffs
 
it doesn't help that the guy also removed all of his friends from his list so that he can't be tied to valve employees anymore lol
this surely pissed people off
 
wah wah fucking wah
 
10:30 AM
@AlexM. Event logos on weapons? 'OnFire(), OnEmpty(), OnStoppage()' ?
 
paid mods aren't a bad idea, but they need to be better implemented. current system has several flaws
 
@Nooble they're gone m8
there are no more paid mods, valve removed them
like, 2 days ago
 
Ven
we won :)
 
I don't think so
 
10:31 AM
Oh lol.
 
"we"
 
I was hoping for story mods with voices now that modders could get $$$
oh well
 
":)"
 
A donate button would be nice.
 
10:32 AM
I think the issue is that valve didn't really ease this thing in
 
they just dropped the news one day
and took people by surprise
free mods became paid overnight
 
Ven
@milleniumbug this clearly was meant to be r/pcmasterrace
 
@AlexM. By what?
@BartekBanachewicz This one was in Perl < 5, and somehow it managed to be a nice experience.
 
@Jefffrey i don't believe you
 
10:36 AM
@Jefffrey by your classmates
 
@MartinJames :'(
 
@BartekBanachewicz We even got 29/30 for the project
 
@thecoshman It's just up the road from Slow and Mundanehead.
 
@Jefffrey I can also give you 97/100 Meaningless Pointsâ„¢ for that sentence
 
lol
 
10:41 AM
97/100 > 29/30
 
@AlexM. yeah but that was content creators choice, not valves fault
 
10:57 AM
seems that Valve could have made existing mods not be able to convert to paid mods and that you would have to create a new entry, effectively.
 
What would that change
Besides every paid mod was converted from a free one, because you had to create a free listing before you were able to set a price
 
Who cares. Obama said "Don't play games, write ones yourself". And that's what I'm going to do
 
that's the most cringeworthy shit I've seen since cinch tried to come up with a language
 
That's like... yesterday?
 
no I think it was weeks ago
 
11:12 AM
"Happy coding" sounds like an oxymoron
 
maybe it's supposed to be "happy codeine"
 
Xeo
Great. It doesn't yet seem like the plumbers actually have to do something here, but now I gotta endure them drilling open my neighbour's bathroom.
 
> gender identities that i came up with and liked:
> honorable mentions for words i came up with but could not define:
tumbrl
 
@fredoverflow that's a cheaper solution! Suggesting it right away
 
11:23 AM
@Mgetz do you not sleep at night or do you get up really early?
 
@chmod711telkitty early, it's 0530 here
 
@BartekBanachewicz Can I have some of those too?
 
Xeo
Aw fuckles. Now they gotta drill open my bathroom wall too :|
 
@Nooble no because that would be fair
@Xeo ouch. At least it isn't your wall. As in, you're just renting it
 
Xeo
yeah
Taiga is gonna freak out, though
 
11:26 AM
@BartekBanachewicz :P
 
you probably should ask your real estate agent or your landlord what is going on
 
Added a little disclaimer to the post about non-constant constant-expressions, people seem to have misunderstood the purpose of the post.
 
because your probably have rental bond in their hands, if the property is damaged when you are lving in it, you might be liable. Also you don't want a leaky/holely bathroom.
Besides, you are entitled to know if it's within your vicinity
 
@Xeo Taiga? That sounds like a Minecraft biome.
 
prolly his pussy
 
Xeo
11:31 AM
ye
@chmod711telkitty I know what is going on
 
Wait, as in "cat" or as in "girlfriend"?
 
the suspense
 
Holâ
 
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@Jefffrey same in his case
 
If you read the documentation at least be sure to read it correctly. I don't think the OP deserves to be more confused about these things. (Even though I think he might want to start thinking about hiring a developer by now.) — sehe 18 secs ago
Boy. That OP is really in trouble.
That's been months now that he's sending in incarnations of the same mess of code
 
11:45 AM
fuck me, I think I ruined my friend's dad's car
a monthly salary is gone :/
 
@sehe you answer a lot of boost questions
 
At least 2. I think 3 months. And around 12 posts.
 
@khajvah what happened?
 
@AlexM. Thanks for mentioning! I don't think I'd have noticed
@BartekBanachewicz yup you beat me to it
 
do you know more stuff about boost than its developers know?
I wouldn't be surprised
 
11:45 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I think I did neutral drop
on automatic transmission
 
you dropped it from a cliff on a neutral?
 
@AlexM. Certainly not.
Maybe I know a lot about many libraries and combining them
 
is that what neutral drop means
 
yeah kind of
 
o.O
 
11:46 AM
it was like 2k rpm
I think
 
Is that a lot?
I never noticed the revs, really
 
2k is regular working rev
 
user1804599
Rust is fun. If you want to prevent use of a variable further in the scope, just pass it to drop.
 
but 1 month has passed already from that incident and he is telling me there is some noise while it changes the gear
 
@rightfold hey, that's nice
 
user1804599
11:47 AM
foo = f()
do_something(foo)
drop(foo)
// do_something(foo) // error
 
@BartekBanachewicz maybe more, I don't remember
 
@khajvah yeah so what did you do in particular, did you switch to N when running?
 
user1804599
It will immediately invoke the dtor, though.
 
user1804599
Which may or may not be what you want.
 
@rightfold eh. meh
 
11:48 AM
@Mgetz hyello compooter
 
@rightfold typically not. If I wanted that I could just use a block
 
@BartekBanachewicz It was on neutral, and he pushed the accelerator and released it. Before the rpm went down, my stupid brain, for some unknown reason, decided to put it to drive
 
@LightningRacisinObrit we have computers, communicators, they're working on a transporter, warp drive is theoretical but possible. Soooo I guess it was a matter of time
 
@khajvah So, it's his fault then, for revving up in neutral when you were driving?
 
@khajvah wait so who was driving again
 
11:50 AM
@BartekBanachewicz nobody was driving. We were sitting in the car, and he revved it on neutral.
@sehe I wasn't driving
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz You could write a drop-like function that returns an object that will invoke the dtor in its dtor, and use it as let cookie = drop_later(foo);.
 
I put it to drive while the rpms were still higher than usual
 
user1804599
Be sure not to use cookie, though!
 
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A: Many question askers seem to only want the code, not to understand how to solve their problem

Lightning Racis in Obrit What does everyone do about this? I complain bitterly in chat about the decline of our industry then I go to the pub to get drunk.

 
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But be sure to use cookie dough!
 
11:51 AM
@khajvah so why did you even touch the shifter
 
@khajvah Why the fuck did you put it into drive at all?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I really have no idea. My brain has some bugs apparently
 
That's criminally negligent
 
It does stuff itself
 
You should not just have to pay a monthly salary but also go to jail for some time
What the hell is wrong with you
 
11:53 AM
I'd kick you out of my car if you did that
 
I hope it wasn't me.
 
You would never get into my car again if you did that. Ever.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit at least I pay if I fuck it up
 
@khajvah so... you manhandled the clutch when your friend was driving? That sounds really stupid
 
not the clutch, bro
 
11:54 AM
@khajvah if that was during driving you could put everyone in serious danger
 
@khajvah sounds really awkward. Of course you pay
@LightningRacisinObrit Oh. Language barriers again
 
seriously sit at the back if you can't behave
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think it did an terrible damage. We didn't even move, but it did shake a little
 
@khajvah have you read my message before responding to it?
fuck car damage, that can be fixed
 
khajvah only seems to care about the car damage
ignorant twat
seriously, people who act irresponsibly in cars are bad enough but people who don't even acknowledge the true dangers of their acts are even worse
 
11:55 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I didn't notice the "everyone" part. Of course I wouldn't do that while the car was moving
 
> Of course
 
you put it into drive then the car starts moving dipshit
 
then why the fuck would you do that when the car was standing
 
and the driver doesn't know you're going to do it
car could lurch forwards and fucking kill someone you piece of shit
 
11:56 AM
@LightningRacisinObrit It couldn't.
 
you are wrong.
 
we were in the middle of nowhere
 
you said you don't know why you did it
 
it didn't even move
 
@khajvah what if you weren't?
 
11:57 AM
so what's stopping you from doing it at some other time in some other place? apparently nothing
 
are you so closeminded to not see the real danger possibility
 
you don't seem to have any regrets about this at all aside from the fact that you personally lose some money
 
@BartekBanachewicz even it it wasn't, that could do no harm
 
omg
this is making me so angry
 
@khajvah not if you were at motion
 
11:57 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I wouldn't do that in motion
 
Officer I didn't know it would drive when put into drive I swear
7
 
@LightningRacisinObrit this kind of things is why I am still afraid to ride my motorbike
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Huh. I thought your new avatar was a bad picture of an emo teen boy face palming. On one side (picard-style). Turns out I just foreshadowed my own response
 
@BartekBanachewicz That I understand
 
11:58 AM
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
then why the fuck would you do that when the car was standing
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Dude, the only thing that could happen is that it would fuck up the car. There could be no damage to us.
 
@khajvah "drive" tends to put things in motion
 
2 mins ago, by Lightning Racis in Obrit
you are wrong.
 
@khajvah That's awesome reason to do it
 
Xeo
11:59 AM
I don't think Taiga likes the percussion drill very much...
 
what a silly little boy
get out of my sight
 
I approve of this method. — Cat Plus Plus 7 mins ago
 
Can't wait for Martin to weigh in on that
 

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