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9:00 AM
that's bullshit
 
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It compiles to struct { void operator()() { }; int x; } not struct { void operator()(int x) { } }.
 
they have a different size
 
user1804599
@orlp SIGNATURE NOT OBJECT
 
thus the ABI is different
 
@BartekBanachewicz You are telling that libreoffice is bad and brought that argument.
 
9:01 AM
@khajvah show me the place where I brought that specific argument
 
14 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
How not to design UIs, part one
 
^
 
user1804599
Changing the signature would make captures useless.
 
@khajvah and that's the specific argument of "you can make a point with just the letter used."?
you disagreed with me without me even saying what I find wrong in that
you didn't even need to hear what I wanted to say to disagree
how fucking pathethic
 
@BartekBanachewicz That was the only point you made to support your argument against libreoffice.
 
Xeo
lol
 
user1804599
Ctrl+{B, I, U}
 
user1804599
Fuck GUIs.
 
@khajvah where did I say that
 
17 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
How not to design UIs, part one
 
9:04 AM
@BartekBanachewicz But your only argument was that they used A instead of B I U
 
@khajvah my argument was they changed the widely accepted convention for no reason
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not for no reason.
And it's probably not as widely accepted as you think it is.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes please educate me as of what that reason was
 
@BartekBanachewicz But hey, it's khajvah who jumps to conclusions, not you.
 
9:06 AM
6 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I've no idea why they did it like that (dunno, patents?) but if it was a willingful change, it's nonsensical
 
@BartekBanachewicz Just because microsoft and google used it doesn't make it wildly accepted standard
 
that pretty much does it
 
@BartekBanachewicz Of course it's nonsensical!
Why should I explain it, then?
 
Why is it nonsensical?
 
@Rapptz (It isn't)
 
9:06 AM
@khajvah But with the millions of MS Office users out there...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes (I know)
 
a) it removes information
b) it changes widely accepted convention
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's not as widely accepted as you think.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It doesn't remove information. It is pretty clear what the button does.
 
How does it remove information?
 
9:07 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's used in two most used office tools in the world
 
5 seconds after you linked the image it was obvious what the buttons do.
 
and I'm pretty sure that if I open Evernote I'll find that too
or dunno, anything really
 
Ah. Another downvote on this classic answer everyone loves to hate on. Because it questions the premise:
@Ken: what Zan said is not my opinion, thank you very much. I'm not right. I was asking things, in addition to supplying hints on how I would proceed to get the information in the context of an OCX. -- I'm not busy passing judgement, I'm just trying to help and giving fair warning in case the OP wasn't aware. Look back, please: you have spent multiple comments now judging my response (including the downvote), whereas I simply asked and said 'Fair enough'. You tell me who's being helpful — sehe May 7 '11 at 8:07
 
@Rapptz I didn't really notice they aren't "B I U" TBH.
 
out.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _puts referenced in function _main
LINK : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _mainCRTStartup
out.exe : fatal error LNK1120: 2 unresolved externals
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not entirely!
 
this means I'm not linking the runtime/thing right?
 
I'm gonna keep that answer just for history
 
and whatever puts is in.
 
9:08 AM
Actual screenshot from Microsoft Office Word.
 
localized, eh?
that explains things then
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In 1995?
 
and that explains why LibreOffice did that
 
@sehe No, 2013 or whatever. A ribbony one. (needs moar jpeg, though)
 
I still disagree with doing that, but right now at least there's some reasoning
 
9:10 AM
 
Hmm. Just realised "bold" in Portuguese is the same word as a racial epithet.
 
UI design is steeped with tradition and convention
 
user1804599
 
@sehe oh that's pretty (where from?)
 
@sehe I can't tell what middle button does.
 
9:12 AM
opens something
a file or folder
 
just looks like 3 squares to me
 
user1804599
 
New Open Save
 
@Rapptz but then again you're an expert in UI and UX
 
> This red robin is birdwatching.
 
9:13 AM
@райтфолд I had a birds-with-arms folder from 4chan when I was young
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't think that degree from Bartek Banachewicz School has any merit but thank you anyway.
 
I'm now trying to assess if you're really that bad as to back your shitty opinions up with your real degree or not
please clarify
 
lmao
I think I'd rather not
 
I expect the worst
 
Xeo
2 hours ago, by Rapptz
why are you guys so hostile
 
9:16 AM
2 hours ago, by Rapptz
I miss when Bartek was shitposting
 
@Rapptz d'awww
 
pls no fight only love
 
@Rapptz Careful what you wish for.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ikr
 
that was a surprise alright
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Back to your hometown!
 
My hometown is Kampala
 
Somehow reminded me to check /g/.
 
What Ugando about it?
I give myself a solid 7/10 for that pun
 
mmm grapes
@Rapptz wha
I'm afk for 3 minutes and you post birds with hands
 
9:21 AM
@MomotapaLimpopo KeePassX in Gnome3 (default Ubuntu theme)
 
> lol
 
@Rapptz me neither. Probably "Open"
 
First, it's GNU/Gentoo
 
@MomotapaLimpopo It is not
 
@khajvah i am sorry sir but it is
 
9:24 AM
It is GNU/Linux distribution.
 
@khajvah Hence GNU/Gentoo because Gento == linux
 
opens a can of peanuts
go on
 
@MomotapaLimpopo That made absolutely no sense. Gentoo is gentoo.
 
Gentoo is GNU/Gentoo
it is known
 
9:26 AM
Gentoo != linux. Also, it is called Gentoo linux. It is a GNU/Linux distribution
 
Gentoo != linux? How come? Gentoo is linux
Have you ever used gentoo?
 
But it is not called GNU/Gentoo. Just like Javascript is not GNU/Javascript
@MomotapaLimpopo What is linux?
 
linux is a free OS by richard stallman
 
@MomotapaLimpopo have you seen the women in tech thread on /g/ yet
having some good keks atm
 
Javascript is the proprietary version of GNU/Javascript from my unbderstandings
 
9:28 AM
@MomotapaLimpopo Linux is a free kernel by Linus. Hence the word linux.
 
@Rapptz I don't browse 4shan at work, linkie for tonite pls
 
I'd link but I don't wanna be judged
 
@khajvah Linux is only the main developer AFAIK
 
;-;
 
@MomotapaLimpopo What?
 
9:29 AM
@Rapptz Comment on one of my posts and delete it after 30s
 
@khajvah Linux torvalds is his full name
 
Does anyone want to work for Webzen? and YMIR? it is looking for c ++ programmers.
 
@MomotapaLimpopo are you trolling?
 
9:31 AM
I browse the sfw boards at work sometimes on my phone
 
@khajvah ...
 
depends how bored I am
 
@Rapptz bokkmarked
 
huh... not sure why, but I have "When I was at " left in my chat box... feel free to imagine your own ending to that.
 
9:32 AM
@VictorLopez Scam. Not a photo.
 
"... a loss for words"
 
@MomotapaLimpopo oh that picture :/
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Not sure it you are trolling but I will end this discussion. Linus!=linux, gentoo is not called GNU/gentoo, Javascript is not called GNU/Javascript.
 
Bullet physics and SDL2. Perl, well, Perl will be implemented.
 
@khajvah ok, let us agree to disagree
it is a common misconception you have, i will not insist
 
9:33 AM
@khajvah are you discussing why most 'lnux' oses should be called 'gnu/linux' oses?
 
@khajvah Of course, everyone should call Javascript GNU/ECMAScript.
 
let's troll to distroll
 
you are neither the first nor the last, probabely
 
> babely
 
@khajvah Forgive him. He's from GNUganda.
 
9:34 AM
yes, from Kampala, the capital
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Ok, one day I will grow up and realize that javascript is GNU/javascript
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Ah. Come to Massaka once. We can have a beer and fried grass hoppers
 
@khajvah i hope so! :)
 
I can't find my delicious Shingeki no Kyojin stallman GNU/Linux image
 
but to be frank it is not that important, the only thing that really matters is that we underatsnd each other
 
9:35 AM
@thecoshman No, it was something different.
 
@mom stop with the trolling
@khajvah o_0 I can't even
 
what trolling? what is wrong with you people
 
Haha. Pirate is growing up? Too much Java does that to a guy
@MomotapaLimpopo LRIO! I cast thee out of this innocent Momotapa body!
 
@sehe it just gets tiring
 
I just wasted few minutes of my life on GNU/javascript
6
 
9:36 AM
I see no trolling. Richard Stallman always states that Linux is only the kernel and everything derived from GNU/Linux should be called GNU/Linux.
 
@sehe throw some tits at that would ya
@VictorLopez no he didn't
 
@VictorLopez it doesn't mean you should put that GNU name to everything that has slight connection with free software.
 
i didbnt imply that
 
I got a mail from him saying something like this:

"I'm glad you support GNU/Linux, but would you please not call it "Linux"?
That gives the credit for our work to someone else.

See http://gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html and
http://gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html, plus the history in
http://gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html."
 
9:38 AM
Stallman just hates that distributions that use both Linux and GNU only reference Linux, hence, he argues, they should they are based on GNU/Linux not just Linux
@VictorLopez yes, but distributions based on <what ever> are not <what ever>
 
LibreOffice/Linux
 
That is why, Gentoo is GNU/Linux distribution and not LInux distribution but it is not fucking called GNU/Gentoo.
 
iow, Ubuntu is not Linux or GNU. It is just using them.
 
@khajvah No, it is called GNU/Gentoo ah you edited your post
 
GNU/LibreOffice
 
9:39 AM
it has come to settle this
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Calling Gentoo GNU/Gentoo is like calling javascript GNU/javascript
 
user1804599
Windows/Linux
 
@Rapptz It could be GNU+Linux/LibreOffice but I see no Kernel inside LibreOffice. So I guess you're right with GNU/LibreOffice.
 
by the way as an ugandan citizen i believe i am in position to be an authority on everything gnu-related
 
user1804599
GNUada
 
9:40 AM
@khajvah the GNU/ variant is more correct
 
user1804599
GNU/Hurd
 
Also, wouldn't it be more fair to call it 'Linux+GNU', Linux is the more low level part, so should come first. GNU is only a suit of software that makes shit tollerableish
 
@VictorLopez Do you know whta GNU stands for?
 
@райтфолд GNU/Ada?
 
@MomotapaLimpopo SprinBok out of here
 
9:42 AM
@khajvah FREEDOM!!!
 
@thecoshman are you plinking your mom
 
@райтфолд I actually really want Hurd to become a thing
@BartekBanachewicz no, plinking @mom
oh clear case, how you constantly wind me up. If you could just stop existing, I'd be so happy... well, less sad... well... maybe.
 
how's your game going cosh
 
user1804599
@thecoshman it being a PITA is clearly the case.
 
user1804599
Yummy, a pita.
 
user1804599
9:45 AM
Du pain.
 
In one message, that's starrable
 
lots of opensource advocates today
a herd of them
 
@BartekBanachewicz I has terrain that's only sort of shit, but at least it's terrain.
 
Trolls advocate FOSS
 
Think I'm ready to call v4 done :D
 
9:46 AM
@MarcoA. gnu herd
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is DirectX very different from OpenGL?
 
... <everybody duck/>
 
@VictorLopez sort of
 
@VictorLopez which version
 
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@sehe I don't give a single shit.
 
9:47 AM
@BartekBanachewicz DirectX 11/OpenGL 3.0+
 
@райтфолд enough to respond
 
user1804599
I'm renaming Int to Z.
 
@VictorLopez Is DirectX 10 very different from DirectX 11
eh, they're similar
@thecoshman do you have gamma correct rendering already
 
@BartekBanachewicz ofc not
 
I still wonder why didn't you just fork minicraft tho
 
9:49 AM
@райтфолд I think it's time to remove this comment stackoverflow.com/questions/29348724/…
Please
 
morning all
@sehe Are you like a boost graph god or something? I always see you answering boost.graph questions on SO
 
not just boost graph
 
I'm starting to get the hang of it, I think
 
user1804599
@sehe ok :P
 
:D
 
9:51 AM
dunno, most of boost libraries look like incomprehensible blabber to me
 
Way back when I was even worse at C++ than I am now, I figured out how to create a basic graph in boost and check for cyclic dependencies... I was pretty proud of myself
 
user1804599
func power-of-two?(n: N) { n != 0 && n +& (n - 1) == 0 }
 
user1804599
Not sure of precedence of bitwise operators.
 
user1804599
I'm completely puzzled on why they are often lower in precedence than comparison operators.
 
user1804599
Using them on Booleans is, in fact, impossible in any sane type system. Unless overloaded of course.
 
9:57 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I'm afraid I agree. That doesn't make them a bit less useful or applicable though
 
user1804599
But precedence with respect to + - * / % is tricky.
 
Heck, the presence of PBGL is a huge testimony to that
 
user1804599
What is more useful?
 
No opinion
 
@Pris IIRC that should be a NP-complete problem
 
9:58 AM
@райтфолд The only practically relevant force is "Principle Of Least Surprise"
 
and the main reason why the travelling salesman problem is a pain to solve with a huge graph
 
@MarcoA. Why?
@MarcoA. That's with weighted edges. Dependencies are much simpler
 
DX11 is 10% better than DX10
 
@MarcoA. Nope, completely different problem.
 
user1804599
@sehe What do you think a +& b + c should do where +& is bitwise AND?
 
10:00 AM
@райтфолд It should be burninated
 
user1804599
I could make it disallowed to do that, sure.
 
0
Q: Did I understand this "module" idea correctly?

Bartek BanachewiczI asked this question on StackOverflow, got some answers, most notably a link to this one, and basing on that I've implemented this: {-# LANGUAGE RankNTypes #-} {-# LANGUAGE FlexibleContexts #-} module Main where import Control.Monad.State import Control.Monad.IO.Class -- Module -------------...

 
@sehe ah sorry, I didn't read the dependencies part
 
shameless linkdump
 
Who the fuck writes a+&b not meaning plus(a, ampersand(b))?
 
10:00 AM
I need to make a simple website. What frameowkr would you reconmend>
 
user1804599
Like I do with mixing && and || without parentheses, since that's always confusing and likely buggy.
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Bootstrap
 
What I wrote stands for weighted graphs (e.g. distances)
 
buttstrap
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's ok. We're impervious to haskell
 
user1804599
10:01 AM
@sehe you should put whitespace around that operator.
 
user1804599
At least to be consistent with a - b (subtraction) vs a-b (single identifier).
 
@райтфолд I deliberately don't, because adding insignificant whitespace only helps to add misinformation (humans will give it arbitrary significance but that's the problem to avoid).
3 mins ago, by sehe
@райтфолд The only practically relevant force is "Principle Of Least Surprise"
 
user1804599
@MomotapaLimpopo just this meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset
 
@райтфолд Oh well. If your language has this "different" a syntax, I'm not going to give any opinion, because it would be unfounded
 
user1804599
I have a better idea.
 
user1804599
10:03 AM
No bitwise operators at all.
 
@BartekBanachewicz initially I wasn't going to make an MC clone :S
@MomotapaLimpopo jekyll
 
why is everyone recommending a different tools
 
jekyll and bootstrap are orthogonal
bootstrap is a CSS toolkit
 
because we're not toolists
 
user1804599
and both shit
 
10:06 AM
@MomotapaLimpopo you gave very lose requirements
 
so has your mom
 
@mom you have very lose requirements
 
I will use Laravel instead
 
I like jekyll for static, bloggy stlye sties, especially as it's easy to host via github then :D
though I guess you just host any static html via github...
 
user1804599
 
10:09 AM
there's this site that generates a site for you based on your linkedin profile
the only problem is it seems "hipster" is the only theme
 
well I was thinking about replacing my current website
maybe a new one based on React.
 
@thecoshman yep
@Puppy #hipster
 
I've been using it at work
it's fairly swell I think
mostly.
it does some fairly strange things sometimes.
 
bleh
 
maybe i should use react for my website
 
10:11 AM
I get tired of websites that try to be all fancy
 
nah
 
that reminds me I should publish docs of Hate
 
bandwidth is good enough these days, forget AJAX :D
 
implementing with React would be just my current website but better; it wouldn't really be a new website I guess.
 
@thecoshman what
please don't give advice about web development if you've no idea about it
actually please don't give advice about things in general if you have no idea about it
now I wonder if I have any idea about giving advice
 
10:12 AM
@BartekBanachewicz no
 
clearly you do have at least one idea about giving advice
seeing as how you just expressed that idea
 
@BartekBanachewicz ¬_¬ because I am totes series
 
Is there a quick and easy way to have /proc/$PID/my_custom_file (or any other virtual path) map to some location in memory in process $PID?
IOW I want to read/write settings of an application at runtime with minimum effort
 
recompile from source
 
maybe I could put up my Codereview link on reddit
 
10:28 AM
> On my job I have to work with C++ regularily. Diving deeper into the language, learning STL and modern code styles
very good
 
It's clang's analyzer's formatted output, isn't it?
 
scan-build is pretty neat, too.
 
of course I'd rather write code that makes having null pointers nonexistent
 
10:31 AM
:D
Well, it can find more than null pointers.
 
"Use-after-free"
again, trivial to avoid by not freeing things manually
 
divide by 0
 
returns an optional :P
more specifically a none
 
user1804599
what is stack egg
 
user1804599
10:40 AM
oh some easter crap
 
If I write a class that lets you provide a boolean flag in the constructor that's saved as a const member, and then I use that flag as a condition check all over the class, would there be any overhead in evaluating the conditional?
 
@райтфолд waste of time... lets go!
 
user1804599
@Pris it depends
 
user1804599
Look at generated assembly.
 
10:42 AM
hmph
I wish React and TypeScript played together better
 
user1804599
Nice, I have commit rights to some of the Perl 6 repositories.
 
@Pris why not template based on that boolean?
 
user1804599
GNU/typescript
 
user1804599
@Pris the check will likely be elided in some cases
 
@thecoshman I was just looking up template specialization. But I'd have to write all the methods involved twice
 
10:43 AM
@Pris true...
 
@Pris Learn to SFINAE m8
or don't specialise it and just let it be a boolean template
 
@BartekBanachewicz I could not be less excited at that news
 
user1804599
But sometimes it can't be elided for obvious reasons.
 
user1804599
10:45 AM
Hence "it depends."
 
open source IDE? so you can debug the debugger?
 
yeah but you suck
> by providing a high level, easy to use, and robust wrapper around the GHC API
 
user1804599
It's a combination of constant folding, branch simplification and dead code elimination.
 
I wish I could read assembly
 
user1804599
Compiler elides duplicate checks of the same variable if it finds the variable isn't changed in between.
 
user1804599
10:48 AM
@Pris This may be less obscure: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/1bad8fdadceba2db
 
alright
now I'm officially curious about whether I can replicate the good react/typescript binding we use at work, since the public ones are inferior
 
@райтфолд lol I appreciate the effort but that's just as alien to me
 
user1804599
Hint there's just two calls and nothing else in main.
 
@Puppy accidentally leak it :|
 
nah
 
user1804599
10:51 AM
I don't understand React.
 
user1804599
It has all this weird state stuff.
 
user1804599
I don't want to do any webdev whatsoever anyway.
 
React Native came out a few days ago... I wanna check it out but I think it only supports iOS right now
 
s/ webdev/thing/
 
I have a decision to make, please help.
 
10:57 AM
flip a coin
 
@khajvah just do it!
 
I have some data in database and I need to write some algorithm. Should I work with primitive data types or with objects?
 
user1804599
> A FRAMEWORK FOR BUILDING NATIVE APPS USING REACT
 
user1804599
instant nightmare
 
mm paycheck went out
 
10:58 AM
@khajvah it depends, are you using nosql database?
 
@BartekBanachewicz do you also get it on the last day of the month
I like it when the last day is before the last weekend
like how it wasn't this month
 
@MomotapaLimpopo No, I am using relational database. The classes are already there. I just need to decide to work with ids or with objects
 
then you probably should use nosql database
relational database are not webscale
 
@khajvah use hibernate or sth dunno
 
@MomotapaLimpopo The database has nothing to do with my question. The algorithm is in C++ or python
 
10:59 AM
@AlexM. haven't you plonked me a while ago
 

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