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posted on March 18, 2015 by Rich Lander [MSFT]

Today we are pleased to announce that MSBuild is now available on GitHub and we are contributing it to the .NET Foundation! The Microsoft Build Engine (MSBuild) is a platform for building applications. By invoking msbuild.exe on your project or solution file, you can orchestrate and build products in environments where Visual Studio isn't installed. For instance, MSBuild is used to build the .N

 
Whaaaaaat
 
so cool
 
Yes
The serializer doesn't really care about the interface.
When you serialize it's creating a property $type which it uses to resolve the type during deserialization.
{
  "CollectionToSerialize": [
    {
      "$type": "TestClassThatImplementsTestInterface1",
      "Guid": "c0fba68e-7a8d-42cd-b64f-80d4953a079e",
      "Something1": "Some1"
    },
    {
      "$type": "TestClassThatImplementsTestInterface2",
      "Guid": "baaea82b-c64f-466a-9692-abf3babfc967",
      "Something2": "Some2"
    }
  ]
}
 
sup fellow geniuses
 
@SpencerRuport I got a great framework setup via the $.map stuff, btw. Thanks again for that
 
8:13 PM
manager wants me to writeup a best practice guide for "event based controls for angularjs"
 
@Pheonixblade9 - No problem.
 
I just define each of my functions in the body and attach them via the $.map function with nested maps for the nested items. It's pretty neat
 
Map is indispensible imo.
 
impossible, since. there should be never be event based controls in ng
 
@CharlieBrown I wish u were my colleague, we could both make him look like an idiot
 
8:14 PM
@Pinky - Like I was saying yesterday events should be a last resort. Developing controls around events is anything but last resort.
 
best practice would be such an oxymoron. "Can you write a best practice for this bad practice?"
Page 1: "Dont do this, ever"
 
so are there any docs that explains how interactive controls should be handled in angular?
 
@Pinky They are called Directives in ng
directives have a learning curve, but once you know them, they can do some really cool stuff you cant do in any other framework
 
@CharlieBrown I need to figure out how to have a text box that calls a method in angular. Maybe a directive is just the way to do it...
 
8:16 PM
@CharlieBrown gotcha, whats a concise why to explain that directives are angulars way of making a UI interactive
 
cant be more concise than, "This is how you do it in angular"
 
@CharlieBrown any helpful links/tutorials that explain directives well....besides angular docs
 
The ng doc is pretty good on it, they have added a bunch
 
@ton.yeung I have a data list that has a textbox at the bottom that adds things to the list when you hit a button next to the box, or when you hit enter.
 
8:19 PM
Scott allen, John Papa, Todd Motto, all have great blogs and best practices
 
@CapricaSix Thanks for the egg.io Link!
 
YaaY Finished my JSON to MSSQL Table Convertor :P Well it's just a Json to Class and then Class to Table :P
 
@CharlieBrown Gotcha I'll look them up, Thanks
xoxoxo
 
Todd Motto's blogs are great, I usually follow his style guide
 
8:22 PM
I have an ng-repeat to fill in that list, and an object above it. I want to add the Entity Name to the list
 
bind the textbox to ng-model="vm.somemodelprop"
 
I can do that ad hoc?
 
why is it adhoc?
then add This directive to capture the enter key and bind to a method
 
Suada means sweaty in Portuguese, so... SweatyMale?
 
8:25 PM
a 20 page resume... who sends a 20 page resume without having a personal website to show their stuff :(
 
is it all pictures?
 
@CharlieBrown Would be nice :( I'd love to see some Calvin and Hobbes in there.
 
@RyanTernier lol - if it's more than 2 pages, I don't even like reading them
they tend to end up as recycle fodder
 
@ReedCopsey I know. This guy is "skilled" but wow, 20 pages. LIsted every project he's been on for the past 24 years
 
that's just annoying - and, IMO, a sign that there's a problem
 
8:26 PM
lol
 
either an insecurity (having to list everything), or he's really not as good as he tries to appear, etc
 
wooo
 
last girl I interviewed was a senior dev for a large bank... she didn't know what the factory pattern was, what managed code was, or why you should use an ORM
 
@SpencerRuport btw - you have looked at github.com/Reactive-Extensions/IxJS right?
 
8:27 PM
@RyanTernier ....guy ....she
 
@RyanTernier not sure I'd agree with that last statement ;)
 
wat?
 
@ReedCopsey - Yeah this was something Travis and I were just experimenting with a while back.
 
Let me rephrase the last part - she didn't know when to use an ORM
 
I know its been done.
 
8:28 PM
just checking ;)
 
@CharlieBrown I've already used that :) it's capturing the actual text in the field I need to do
but not now, haha
 
@ReedCopsey - I had never really dissected LINQ before so what started off as an experiment turned into a learning experience. And along the way I played around with Node.js and QUnit so... overall a productive experience. ;)
 
@RyanTernier when should you not use an ORM?
guessing if something is very time sensitive, like a stock app?
 
@SteveG That's one yes. In my health app I cannot use ORM for 99% of the stuff we do
 
why not?
 
8:32 PM
@RyanTernier - To be fair, banks are waaaaay behind on the curve.
 
Because my app controls all the demographic data for western canada, and every query, update, insert, etc. is audited on multiple levels
 
because ORMs are not fully ACID compliant a lot of the time
 
My bank is still actively developing ASP.Net Forms.
 
and an ORM is bad for that because?
too much data?
@Pheonixblade9 oh
 
Well, over 50 million rows, in 100 tables (100 tables each with 50+ million rows). One table has over 23 billion. But, we don't have direct access to the data. Access comes from a black box API that delives the data in Object format (IBM Initiate EMPI)
 
8:33 PM
Audited as in a human being wants to inspect the SQL statements you intend to execute?
 
ahhh
 
most ORMs use repository pattern, so you can't guarantee something is in the DB when you want it, only that it's in the repository
 
@RyanTernier - Sounds like you couldn't use an ORM in that case even if you wanted to.
 
@TomW Yes.
 
@RyanTernier arguably then, the reason you can't use an ORM is that you aren't interfacing with a database
Which is a kind of "well, duh"
 
8:34 PM
@TomW you can use an ORM for things other than databases
 
IN fact, 50% of our tables do not have primary keys that are visible to developers. They are only visible to DBA's. Because of that ORM technology won't even look at the table.
I tried to hook up EF to my oracle db. it told me "use f'n primary keys you stupid dev". I cried
 
@RyanTernier and you wanted to recruit me...
 
@RyanTernier do you expect interviewee's to memorize the factory pattern, or just know what it's used for and have a general idea of how it's constructed?
 
@RyanTernier - So it has unique identifiers on each row they're just not defined as primary keys?
 
@SteveG I ask interviews things like "Can you explain dependency injection to my boss here, who is not technical"
 
8:36 PM
@RyanTernier No.
 
i could :p
 
@RyanTernier dependency injection is passing a reference into something when you create it rather than when you execute methods on it
 
@SpencerRuport The tables have PK's, but they are hidden to everyone but the DBA's based on login.
 
Dependency injection is a technical concept that has no analogy in the world occupied by a non-technical manager
 
you just need to explain it in terms he'd understand
well, duh
captain obvious over here
 
8:37 PM
@Pheonixblade9 there are at least four words in that sentence that have no meaning to a non-programmer
 
but like, let me think of an example
 
@TomW you win
 
@TomW It's not about understanding the tenents of the "Pattern" it's being able to take something complex and explain it in such a way a non-tech person can understand. As a consultant I meet with people who are non-technical so my language needs to be toned down so I don't use jargon, but I can still explain things properly.
 
nobody cares anyway
 
I'm interviewing people to replace me
 
8:37 PM
@RyanTernier - Then how do you relate data?
 
@SpencerRuport The data for that table is managed by an API, that has access to those stupid keys and rows. They're hidden from us, so we use the IBM objects to do allt he work.
 
Dependency injection is telling something what it needs to figure out before it can start and forcing that information to be figured out before you create something
 
@RyanTernier that particular example is asking your interviewee to do something completely unproductive. Maybe they can, but the real skill is not having to
 
@RyanTernier - eesh.
 
in a 3 person meeting or I would do better
 
8:39 PM
I once read an analogy using a CD player and CDs, you inject a CD into the CD player since it's not its job to know what to play, it just does.
 
dependency injection takes things that are intermingled and separates them, so that if you need to replace one, you don't need to search through tons of lines of code to do it (well, coupled with IoC), so like, you need to replace your garage door, you shouldn't expect to also replace your garage walls at the same time, they have an interface between them
BAM
 
@TomW in fairness, if you're going to hire someone to replace someone, knowing someones skill set would be helpful... i rather hire bobby who knows factory pattern vs. jill who doesn't, given all other skills are equal.
 
or, no? lol
 
@NETscape what? I don't see what that has to do with the question
 
well if you can't explain the factory pattern, then you probably don't know it
 
8:41 PM
@TomW DI was just an example. With this project, if I wanted to use a Factory Pattern to do X, I'd need to sell it to the client. The client has full control over the code, how the code is going to be built, and what is built. <3 enterprise.
 
@NETscape however knowledge is not always a good thing
 
@KendallFrey Knowledge is a good thing, it's not being able to correctly use that knowledge which is the bad thing. It's good to know a tomato is a fruit. However, you're still an idiot if you put it in fruit salad.
 
@RyanTernier I would argue that
 
knowledge is good, if you have the right knowledge
 
@RyanTernier I'd use my negotiation skills to encourage the client to adopt a better project management strategy
 
8:43 PM
@NETscape Well, yeah, murdering people is good if you murder the right people
2
 
@KendallFrey Yes!
 
i would agree with that
 
That gets a star
 
What qualifies as right?
 
/s/murdering/killing
 
8:44 PM
!!urban cowboy
 
@RyanTernier cowboy A cowboy is the ideal American figure because he comes packing with two Colt .45 Revolvers, and a double barrel shotgun, plus a 1HP...Horse.
 
so I'm backfilling for the lead dev on this project who is leaving on short notice this Friday... have meeting for the rest of the week for knowledge transfer. Not intimidating at all
 
hahaha
terrifying
 
@Pheonixblade9 - Awesome, you should be stoked
 
@Pheonixblade9 Write, you bastard! Write!
 
8:48 PM
I'll be rearchitecting a multimillion dollar system, apparently...
 
That needs to be off server 2003 by july?
 
thats going to be bad ass for the resume if it goes well
 
more complicated than that
well... I was hoping to finish my current project
I can do it in extra time
 
A while ago I asked why my "youtube.html" did work on my localhost, but didn't work when I put it in a WebBrowser control. I figured it out: I didn't access it on localhost, but I just showed the HTML "locally". So you get those "cross browser origin" errors. <= if anyone is interested
 
8:49 PM
"We want it in Python"
"What language is it in now?
"...Language?"
 
So... this is probably a dumb question but I have my local Git repo. Do I need to clone it before making changes or do I just make changes to that folder?
 
I just hit my stride in the greenfield project and I got a call from one of the area leads saying "hey, this lead is leaving, we need you to backfill him on this team"
it's a great opportunity, but not really the area I want to be working in
 
@SpencerRuport i'd push it up so it's not just a local repo, and then branch off
 
@SpencerRuport just make sure you have your .git folder in the folder you want your repository to be
 
local repos = scary. what if your drive crashes
(happened to me this week :o )
 
8:51 PM
so your folder would look like this:

.git
mySol.sln
mySol.csproj
src/
bin/
 
@SteveG - Well I want to push this android app I made to github but it has some keys in it I need to remove first.
 
oh wait, duh
@SpencerRuport you can just change your origin
 
ah okay
 
git set-remote origin github.com/projectName.git or something like that
there's an SSH one too
that's the HTTPS way ^
 
Yeah I know how to add a remote. I just need to make changes first. I wasn't sure if I had to like... check out from my local repo first?
 
8:53 PM
if you change your remote and do a push, it should push all of your commits
 
wait a sec though
remove some keys? does that mean like secret app keys or something?
 
Yeah
It has a dropbox API access key
 
that'll be in the history
 
Ohhhh... derp.
 
you need to copy and paste and do a new git-init with no history
 
8:54 PM
alright
 
;) you're welcome
lol
 
depends if you want to keep the history though
 
Hmmm... I may just delete that key then.
 
if you do, you can interactive rebase that commit out of it
 
there is also a way to cleanse the history, it's just a pain
it involves some nasty rebasing
 
8:55 PM
there's an article on github about it
 
@Pheonixblade9 haha we're doing the same thing, and i didn't think at all about the history! GAH!
 
but you can still get it through the history I think
 
something like "what to do if you accidentally commit passwords to github"
 
@SteveG you can do a reset and do a force commit and then replay your commits, essentially
 
but - if the history is not that important, just copy the files and just create a new repo
 
8:56 PM
yup
 
fuck
this just turned into a nightmare
 
did you get married, steve?
 
no, we're removing sensitive stuff that got moved over when we copied our TFS history into git
 
@SteveG sorry and you're welcome
 
annnnnnnnd it goes way back, interactive rebasing on 5 years of commits
hopefully it's not as bad as i think
 
I'm debating whether I should delete the key or the history.
I guess I don't need the history to be public.
The key might still be used.
By all 33 of the people who installed my app.
 
@SteveG careful with that though. make sure nobody commits anything new cause rewriting history fucks things up
 
im going to have to have some discussions with people, and do more research and see if it's as bad as i worry it is, sometimes i freak out over nothing
anyway, i'm out
have a good night
thanks for the panic attack ;)
 
9:02 PM
@SpencerRuport fwiw, it might be a good exercise to do once
 
Do what? Edit the history?
 
well first create a new branch
 
blegh.
 
think probably the easiest way would find the SHA of the commit before it...
then git rebase -i SHAOFTHEHASH
 
I'll try it out sometime
 
9:03 PM
and then you can change that commit
then change pick to edit and save
rebase is good to know in any case. i use it like 10 times per day
 
@SpencerRuport in the future, just encrypt the key from the start ;)
 
Alright I'll definitely look into it.
@Pheonixblade9 - You can't. It's OAUTH nonsense.
 
well your app would decrypt it ;)
 
exactly
 
If my app decrypts it couldn't anyone who has the source code?
 
9:06 PM
I am still considering trying to foist the auth nonsense off on someone
 
that reminds me. i gotta write my inaugural blog post on encrypting shit on azure
@SpencerRuport you use a key installed on the machine to decrypt
 
Oh okay that makes sense. I haven't done anything like that before.
 
Anyone know why this would throw an NRE?

var branch800 = '<%= (_checkout.UserAccount.BranchNumber == 800 && _checkout.UserAccount.ExternalAccountNo != "141705") ? "true" : "false" %>';
 
alternatively, you put it in a file and add that file to .gitignore
 
@drch - That sounds easier.
 
9:07 PM
@Greg either checkout, or checkout.useraccount is null
 
@drch What would be the ideal way to counter that JavaScript?
 
that doesnt look like javascript to me
looks like aspx
 
It is in the JavaScript, which calls Asp.Net web-forms.
 
yeah and your NRE is in the C#
 
Yeah, I assumed. Sucks to hack that shit
Ugh, fuck this line!
 
9:16 PM
just add null checks?
 
@drch I have to deal with this stupid front end aspx bull shit check.
 
Someone seems frustrated
 
It doesn't like a fucking if so I have to use fucking ternary, and it still is like fuck you I'm an NRE.
 
you don't need a ternary
 
What is null?
It can't be that hard to figure it out
 
9:17 PM
@drch Butt it isn't allowing me to use an if.
 
dont use an if
a != null && a.Foo != null && a.Foo.Bar == 123
 
@drch What should I use?
 
checkout.UserAccountId != defaultUserAccountIdValue &&
Also, how often are you using
? "true" : "false"
?
just use
var True = true, False = false;
and then allow True and False to be used
 
It's not my code, it is legacy.
So, so horrible.
 
Gesundheit
 
9:23 PM
Ugh, after I change it- Something validates and fails.
 
Anybody ever used IQbservable?
(Note spelling)
 
what is it?
 
I was expecting to be able to just munge a SqlCommand or something straight into an observable sequence. That doesn't seem to be possible
@JohanLarsson dual of IObservable as IQueryable is to IEnumerable
 
fancy (dual)
 
IQueryable is a pull-based sequence that translates itself to some destination query. IQbservable is...like that, but for push-based sequences. So says Bart de Smet anyway. And that's where my knowledge ends
The mysterious part of Rx
 
9:29 PM
@TravisJ @drch I cleaned, rebuild, and it worked.
 
user3586553
is there a way for a c# to monitor how much iops it's using?
 
iops?
 
user3586553
disk input/output per second
 
there might be a performance counter for that
 
9:33 PM
Aha!
SqlDataReader.AsQueryable()
 
@TomW - yo dawg
 
lool dammit , Guys how can i remove ' from a string ?!?! :D
stupid compiler thing of ' differently , i can remove anything else from a string with a loop or 2 , but ' is different :|
 
String.Replace("'", "")?
Or even:
String.Replace(@"'", "")
 
@BradleyDotNET oooh i remember there was something like this i used before , Ty , let me check :D
 
http://jsfiddle.net/xsh7ue4o/
$.fn.textSync = function(selector){
 var selection = $(selector);
 this.on('input',function(){
  selection.text(this.value);
 });
};
 
9:44 PM
oh no, that's useless. Goddammit.
 
Useless? wtf!
 
Thanks Bart. Introduce something that apparently has no means to actually create one
@TravisJ not you
 
lol I know :P
 
@TravisJ - What created the need for that code?
 
@SpencerRuport - The user will be entering information which will be displayed in several places at different labels on the page.
 
9:47 PM
hm
 
It is more complex than the fiddle demo :)
 
so what would you guys do in my situation?"
It's a cool opportunity I guess, but honestly not something I wanna do
 
@Pheonixblade9 - Can I have a tldr;?
 
@Pheonixblade9 - Is it outside any prior agreements as far as what kind of things you'd be working on?
 
why wouldn't you want to do it?
 
9:57 PM
I was working on a short term internal project (greenfield) and had an opportunity afterwards to work on something I'm really interested in (Xamarin app for a major company), but the lead of the team for my last team is leaving on short notice (visa issues) so I am backfilling him to redo the architecture of a new feature. It is a great opportunity but I really am not interested at all in the project space (financial services) and it's not the type of work I want to be doing.
it's likely to be a 6-12 month project and I want to be on <3 month projects
 
@Pheonixblade9 - But it is in some ways a promotion
Once you finish that project if it takes a year you can apply elsewhere as a lead
gotta go tho
 
@TravisJ I don't think I'm technically the lead
 
@Pheonixblade9 - On a scale from 1-10 how much would you hate it?
 
there are other guys on the team that know more but are working on different things
@SpencerRuport the work I do at this gig is roughly equivalent to the work I do at my last job, and I left my last job
I came here because I want experience taking stuff from start to finish, not tacking on crap to a big ball of mud
I was enjoying my internal project so much, I had to tear myself away from it each day
 
@Pheonixblade9 - Then I would definitely bring it up.
 
10:02 PM
I spent 12.5 hours on it yesterday because I got into such a flow I just didn't want to stop and suddenly it was 10:30PM and I had to eat dinner and go to bed
yeah, I already sent a meeting request to my dotted line boss
 
If it's why you left your last job that's pretty important.
 
when I say roughly equivalent, I mean it's a huge system that is not architected well and I do not have carte blanche to fix things
 
LoL wow guys any faster way to Convert a JSON to a Table in a MSSQL Database hosted in a site , than 1 by 1 inserting them ? :P i tried doing it and it's 10 min ... still loading :| but well my JSON need 160000 x 2 ( 2 col ) Insert
 
@Pedram use batching and transactions
 
@Pedram well, you could insert them all at once instead of one at a time
 
10:04 PM
@Pheonixblade9 - Life's too short to be unhappy. Especially when you have options.
 
instead of

INSERT INTO blah VALUES(blah)
INSERT INTO blah VALUES (blahblah)

do

INSERT INTO blah
VALUES(blah,
blahblah) --insert 1000 things
GO
INSERT INTO blah
VALUES(blahblahblah,
blahblahblahblah)
GO
 
YES
I WIN
return Observable.Generate(reader, r => !r.Read(), r => r, r => map(r));
 
@SpencerRuport it's irrational. It's a good client to work for. They are very easygoing and not too demanding and they're generally quite technical. But I came here to be challenged, not to plod along on an enterprisey project without knowing where the start and finish lines really are
 
@Pheonixblade9 Oh, well i think i can do a insert like 20 thing , each time , then make the counter + 20 ... but if i want to insert 1000things at once , i need to write it 1000 time :P they are all variable :D
 
@Pheonixblade9 - I don't see what's irrational about that.
 
10:06 PM
@Pedram just insert things in batches instead of 1 at a time
yeah. I just don't know how I'm going to sell that
they need someone on the project or they might lose the client, or at least the project. I was the last guy on the project and I'm ostensibly uncommitted right now, so it makes sense
 
They are all like jsonclass.Gameslist.AppID[160k] and jsonclass.GameList.GameName[160k]
 
@Pheonixblade9 - Companies need to learn developers don't like working on their mud projects.
It stagnates your skills, it's not why you got into programming, you're not proud of your work. Those are all rational concerns.
 
WoW by God .... i just checked through Webbased SQL Manager and it have 1900 ROW by now ... total is 160k :| lool it takes a day :D better stop it and try other ways :P altough i can make it that only update the new onces each time and i believe i should .... but the first time it is lol
 
@Pedram can you describe your problem more? I know SQL pretty well, I should be able to help
I rewrote a taxonomy update tool and took its run time from 20-30 hours to 5 minutes :)
 
oh its 16k i think not 160k lol coz last AppID is ~90000
@Pheonixblade9 k , This is the Link api.steampowered.com/ISteamApps/GetAppList/v0001 i Want to Turn this all into my Database
all is done , i Deserialize into a Class that i made , then i made a Loop that will do it 16k Time and Insert Value into the 2 Column
 
lemme google it
ah tnx
 
convert JSON to XML, then use SqlXmlBulkload to load it in
 
@Pedram does the host limit the bandwidth of the MSSQL server?
 
it's probably the fastest way to load data with a consistent schema
 
Its Free Trial but i am going to buy it after my work is done , got one from smartsap.net
oh Smartasp.net* wrong spell
 
10:17 PM
@SpencerRuport thanks for the advice
I setup a meeting at 5:15 to chat
 
@NETscape FacePalm Yeh Right Sorry :P
@Pheonixblade9 is there a Code for Taking the Last 10 or 20 or some amount of ROW only from a Database ? i Saw some code for First 200 or something , but i need the Last one , so i would only check those last one with Json , Once a Day , and if there was something new , i only add the new one
 
@Pedram just do SELECT TOP 10 * FROM table_name ORDER BY primary_key_column DESC
 
@Pheonixblade9 Oh Great, Tnx :D
 
So I have two List<string> variables. Is there a way in LINQ I can create the query once and apply it to both?
 
10:28 PM
oooh ... damn i think its indeed 160k :P I just notice the page was not fully loaded :D i reload it and it's WAY more lol why the hell steam have 160k AppID for Games and DLC ... so many ... :|
WTF Grimm Made Avengers .... :| Avengers.Grimm.2015.HDRip
lol they are mostly Girls :P
 
whatever you're doing, sounds wrong.
there's only 16228 AppIDs
which is 1.62 x 10^4
not 160k
 
ummm my brain is fried :D i don't have a counter to count them all :P i count them 1 time when i Deserilize the Json and put it in a ListView , or GridView was it , it showed the number either 16k or 160k , but now i check the page it say Last AppID is "appid": 357450, thats 357k th ! so i says its 160k Valid one
it was the DataGridView of WinForm , yeh , coz ListView didn't show the number of them just a big list i think
Anyway :D if it's 16k then that's Great :D coz i would not change my program , this Slow one is already at 7k ROW , just 9k more and its finished , meanwhile i can go watch The Flash :P but if its 160k i need to find another way
 
11:11 PM
Favorite message box ever.
I like how we've come full circle. People started using the web because installing an application for every little thing was irritating.
Now every website is like "NAH FORGET THIS WEBPAGE STUFF LET US PUT ANNOYING BULLSHIT ON YOUR DEVICE!"
Which makes it even more painful IMO.
Poor abstractions lead to bigger headaches than less abstraction.
 
11:43 PM
hi, why AppDomain.Load is deprecated ? how someone can load an assembly into a custom app domain without it ?
 
@someone There are other methods, like LoadFrom
 
no there isn't there is Assembly.LoadFrom but this won't load it into your custom app domain
there is no AppDomain.LoadFrom
 
oh right
but you can load assemblies with the Assembly class
 
but i won't be able to unload them because they will be loaded AppDomain.Current
 
Also, Load is not deprecated or obsolete
 
11:48 PM
but in Visual studio when i use it's showing [deprecated]
this happend when i convert it my project to .NET 4
 
I got to go, but if you read the docs it should answer your questions
 

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