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2:42 AM
Just got my second year badge on StackOverflow. I love you guys!
 
nice
 
 
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3:43 AM
good morning ..
 
4:26 AM
Mrng
 
 
1 hour later…
5:33 AM
are you from Japan?
 
kya
5:49 AM
Morning Guys
 
gud morning guys!!!!
 
Morning guys
ANybody there for a little chat
 
kya
6:07 AM
I am busy learning Java and working on a project I inherited, so my head is fully loaded right now
 
@HamZa It is because the last hangout that you attended was arranged by @fge at +1 GMT. But most probably the next weekend hangout will have a better timing :P
Heya everyone @saikiran @Swordy @kya @Jaspal
loads of new faces in the room :D
 
kya
Thanks @ItachiUchiha, How are ya ? I've been on and off the since last year
 
Ohh really? Never saw you, may be whenever you were here, I was off to my do my laundry :P
Jokes apart, I am doing good. How are ya?
 
6:25 AM
@ItachiUchiha hey shin chan.. nice to see u up so early..
 
kya
I am good thanks. How are you ?
 
> Jokes apart, I am doing good
So what are you working on? Your profile looks like you are a PHP dev
 
6:45 AM
> Its a total learning venture now, absorbing it as a sponge does.
^^ @Swordy :P :P
 
:D
 
Do you work as a python dev?
 
Good morning, Java!
 
Good Morning Oleg!
 
yeah , 1 year with python
and now i am getting my hands into gaming
 
6:53 AM
gaming :O
Mobile/Console?
 
mobile..
started with it..
looks like I'll be opting for the libgdx engine..
 
what about unity?
I have heard it is good.
<---- No idea about game engines
 
yes i have downloaded that.. but it is more of a paid thing.. for any advanced physics , features , it would cost 1500$ for a license.. and it doesn't require much coding.. more of a gui..
 
7:40 AM
[as a gamer, I dislike Unity...]
 
Unity is a decent framework, but for Java game development LWJGL seems simple enough.
@Gemtastic That is not true, as Eclipse doesn't even use the same Java compiler.
 
@Unihedro Now you are talking!!!.....
 
@Swordy LWJGL is too simple for any decent game that demands more than codecraftsmanshipTM.
It is the "lightweight java game library" (that's what it stands for), after all.
 
@Unihedro It's what I was told, but it's not like I know for sure
 
It doesn't even come with a sound engine.
Additionally, this is a pretty bold statement:
13 hours ago, by Gemtastic
@Zawinski a web designer should learn JS. A web developer should learn the web part of JavaEE
 
7:53 AM
libgdx looks like the best bet..
 
Heh:
 
wooww.. so many downvotes!!
u are eating out ur own rep..
 
Not really.
One day I lost 40 rep to downvoting answers (and only answers, for some weird reason); most of them got deleted soon enough so I regained some
 
@Unihedro why do you find it bold?
I'm referencing it out of the context of a designer that needs to know any code at all (they are pretty common here)
and I did so since he asked if a designer should know JS or JEE
 
@Unihedro I wouldn't use Java for game development...
 
7:59 AM
And I did provide a more correct answer:
13 hours ago, by Gemtastic
@Zawinski Technically, a web designer only design the layout for the site, they don't actually code. Though in some countries (like mine) a designer both design and code the front-end code for the design. A web developer only does code.
 
@Gemtastic Because stylesheets define the appearance, and hence CSS is more commonly used in web design than Javascript, and additionally JavaEE is specific to demand, where other alternatives such as flask, Node and more specific implementation exists and are more commonly preferred.
Than JavaEE, that is. While it is appropriate in context, it's still a bold statement on its own. :p
 
JS is for behaviour, not style. and there wasn't a question about CSS or HTML, the questions was "JS or J2EE"
 
> While it is appropriate in context, it's still a bold statement on its own.
 
Now, you can apparently use JS to code backend, but if you have to pick 'tween JS and J2EE as a backender, J2EE is better to focus on. JS is simple enough to pick up on anyway
@Unihedro And that my dear boy is why you DO NOT take things out of context.
 
@Gemtastic Eh, JS is only coded in front end and loaded on client side, the backend mechanic is specifically Node.
 
8:03 AM
In this case it's an answer to a question that's technically wrong
 
Yay hammering a nail with either a glass bottle or an old shoe.
 
@Unihedro I said you CAN, not that you shall or do
someone was claiming that in here the other day. I believe him, but I honestly see no point in doing it
 
Hmm, you're right
 
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Oh right, I already removed them, so the super ping won't work.
DERP
Oh well, no one has to know.
 
I won't tell if you won't
 
8:54 AM
@uni now we can have a RO contest :P
I would like to participate in one, as I didn't in the last one
 
fge
Moo
 
@fge Morning!
 
what happens in the contest?
 
Contestants are short-listed. Deadline is set. People vote. The contestant will maximum votes win!!!
 
It's not like a RO status is useful if you aren't going to do any moderation.
@Swordy You win being a room owner, which gives you absolutely nothing except for bragging rights.
 
9:04 AM
bragging about myself being an owner??
sounds cool to me :P
 
lolz
with tag, comes responsibility
 
I'll vote for shin chan..
 
you don't even know the contestants
May be fge can participate, in which case, I would vote for him :P
 
i know one....
Lets see..
whens the contest @Unihedro
 
@Swordy Future.
(Duh.)
 
9:06 AM
Which takes me to the past when I voted for both :P
 
hope you are still happy with ur decision to vote for uni...
XD
 
He is a great moderator!
 
@Unihedro have u created any games?
I want to play them , in case u did..
 
@Swordy I used to be an indie game developer. Spoiler alert: Not anymore.
They're crappy. Don't bother looking for them.
 
its ok.. what is the name?
don't worry , i wont downvote..
 
9:10 AM
I still lead a few role playing games (but less of that going on now), and I'll be developing a simple web based one soon.
As a proper PHP project.
 
your website??
 
My website is currently broken.
 
:(
 
However, I'll revive it and make an awesome one from scratch when I get around to, after JCE airs.
 
cool..
 
fge
9:41 AM
<-- looking for a library of "HTML widgets"
Not easy to come by at all, it seems :/
 
fge
10:04 AM
I definitely love jooq
I should prepare a session for it
Also: for sessions, if you want a particular subject covered, tell me
 
what is jooq?
 
@fge TDD plz
 
what is TDD ?
 
target derivative development
 
woow .. I understood null :O
 
fge
10:10 AM
Test Driven Development
 
so who is telling the truth?
partial truth
 
There is no spoon.
 
@Swordy fge
 
@OlegKuznetsov thanks.. :)
test driven development sounds like a nice idea..
 
fge
Ah, yeah, but this one is rather hard
Maybe I could redo my GuiTaskRunner from scratch... This is a nice thing to test
 
10:23 AM
pam4j?
 
fge
That's another possibility, yes
But GuiTaskRunner is much easier
I also need to find a simple example of a class operating on values
(so that corner cases with fringe values can be tested)
 
10:39 AM
gd aftn to all
 
Hello! does anyone has the book "Spring in Action V4" ??
I only find the v3..
 
what is the meaning of AssertionError and VirtualMachineerror
any time of real time example
 
If you were writing a cross platform desktop application in Java what IDE would you use?
 
@PrimeByDesign Eh, if I were you, I would use what I am already used to using.
AKA IntelliJ.
 
what is the different between between AssertionError and VirtualMachineerror ? @Unihedro
 
10:53 AM
@Unihedro I guess I'm used to Eclipse
I'll stick with what I know
 
Hardwork will give us the real Success.
 
yes it is
@Swordy
 
the question you are asking is easily googleable..
 
How can we modify R.java
 
@androidcodes By using a text editor, and a few moments of effort.
If you lack commitment, hire someone to do it for you.
 
fge
10:59 AM
@Cool well, the javadoc tells you, right?
If you get a VirtualMachineError, to be honest, you are in Real Deep Sh*t(tm)
(especially an InternalError)
 
11:19 AM
ok
 
6 messages moved to Trash
 
fge
Uh
I guess I like the spark/angularjs combo, but widgets are just not there
 
fge
11:35 AM
Hmm, jqwidgets looks nice
 
11:53 AM
:)
 
@yaylitzis Why do you need it?
If you have a question, drop it here or on SO..
@fge widgets for?
 
fge
12:21 PM
@ItachiUchiha the webapp version of my debugger
I think I'll go for spark + jqWidgets + jQuery
(not apache spark, of course)
The problem is that there is too much choice in fact :(
 
12:50 PM
is Java swing useful for games development?
 
@Swordy Not really, except if you want to use it as a canvas, for some simple games like cards, chess etc.
 
u mean for static backgrounds ?
im going through the tutorial series and there are many videos on swing, so i thought of asking whether its really worth to spend time learning that or instead go through some libgdx videos..
 
fge
JavaFX has better support for accelerated graphics if this is what you want
 
ohh cool.. thnx guys.. since i'm new , i need someone to point me in the right direction :)
 
@Swordy Nah, OpenGL is the way to go. Graphics libraries like Swing and JavaFX are kinda meh for big projects.
 
12:59 PM
meh = meant ? or meh = bullsh*t ?
 
Meh = Why not choose something else?
 
libgdx ..... uses openGL
this is a nice track btw..
 
Ugh, so much bass, and the bass contradicts with the electronic.
 
it looks like ur hometown :)
 
The vocals are even worse, with a terrible echo that ruins the song.
 
1:03 PM
can u read whats written on the boards on the street?
 
No, considering it's a song I streamed it into goldwave and played it on 500x speed.
I'm just the kind of person that listens to tracks quickly.
 
so that you end up wasting less time??
 
This is the kind of bass I like:
@Swordy No, I listen to tracks in really fast ways magically, so I don't watch the actual video.
 
ohh i see.. i even see that u downvoted an answer..
 
Not just one, many.
 
1:06 PM
XD
 
fge
1:20 PM
@Unihedro if for desktop apps, it's rather OpenGL which is meh
I wouldn't have imagined writing my debugger with OpenGL for instance
 
hi i need a input on xsl..any one can help me with it
 
@Unihedro Soundodger, yay! [too bad I can't watch at work...]
@fge It depends on complexity of the app. IIRC, Blender's interface is written in OpenGL
 
I need to implement an counter logic inside a template
 
fge
1:45 PM
@OlegKuznetsov well, the more complex it is, the better if you have widgets to play with... OpenGL has nothing like tables etc, or even menus. As to Blender, yeah, maybe, but then it's a 3D rendering program
 
i'm so confused .. :'(
tries holding back tears of confusion
 
fge
Even so, if 3D there is to be in a few windows I'd look into integrating OpenGL into another "high level" toolkit widget rather than Reinventing The Wheel(tm)
 
could we conclude with a "moral of the story"??
something like -- Use OpenGL / Use JavaFx
 
fge
If your game does not include any 3D, go with JavaFX
If it includes some 3D, go with JavaFX
If it includes A LOT of 3D, go with OpenGL, and good luck with widgets
That's my point of view
 
@fge now thats what I was expecting !! thanks .. libgdx uses OpenGl , right?
 
1:52 PM
guys nedd help
java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: org.apache.commons.codec.binary.Base64.encodeBase64String
 
2:02 PM
@fge this looks pretty neat youtube.com/watch?v=YRVikRL0-WE
 
fge
2:48 PM
Meh, I have received a mail for a position as a JavaFX developer
What the...
I haven't even been working with it for a full month
 
never mind, thanks
 
@fge wtf??
The only time I got a offer for Javafx dev was from germany
And later I was dropped
Coz of obvious reasons
 
fge
3:04 PM
Well, yeah, but that's from the UK
 
You .may give it a try
Are you allowed to work in UK?
 
fge
Heh, that would be "fun"
No idea
I know that I haven't been explicitly forbidden to work there but that's about it
 
Haha
Well yeah.. it will be fun. I would have loved to work full time with Javafx, but here it is not in demand.
 
where are you guys from?
if you don't mind me asking :p
 
The last interviewer, when I told him that I like Javafx was like, what is heck is that. Whyy do you even waste time on such things
 
fge
4:06 PM
Heh, I answered the recruiter
We'll see
The job is not uninteresting...
As to the TDD session, I do have a plan now, and that is to recreate the GuiTaskRunner class -- from scratch, with tests and all
 
@fge double negative is tricky
 
fge
Yes I know
Eh, so, basically, the TDD session can start whenever and this is no joke :p After all, the code starts from scratch so I don't need to write preliminary code
(and as @ItachiUchiha required, I'll explain what this is about)
 
4:24 PM
@OlegKuznetsov Yay soundodger!
 
fge
Hoo, my Files.lines() question has generated a lot of interesting reads
 
Does anyone else think that the sentence should read "the fastest and most secure Java" instead of the way they worded it?
 
in TCG Creation on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by Duga
> Implemented reply syntax stripping, fixes #17
@ItachiUchiha cc ^^
 
fge
Program of the next session: introduction to the TDD methodology; introduction to TestNG, Mockito, assertj; writing a class from scratch using TDD; discussion; knowledge required: basic Java, Java 8
 
Note to self: Fork the github update bot and make it post in here too
 
fge
4:37 PM
Schedule: uh, unknown
(well, there can be several sessions on the same topic)
 
@fge: Would you mind if I remove the stars to obsolete messages on the transcript?
such as:
yesterday, by fge
OK, session starts in 1h40mn
 
fge
I don't mind at all; rather, I am surprised that you didn't already do so
 
I have a different set of common sense.
 
fge
Everybody does ;)
Descartes said it well: "common sense is equally shared among everyone; the difference is how they use it"
 
:joy:
 
4:40 PM
I even wrote tests!
a whopping 3 tests for that thing
 
Well done! I am impressed!!! It's surprising how much of an improvement has happened since your last pull request!
 
well I just needed to remove "^:\\d* "
 
...
 
fge
So, tell me when to schedule it; as I said I can do several sessions
 
5:06 PM
@Vogel612 well, I am still working on the ui and the message id changes
@fge on saturday?
Or is that too late for ya?
 
fge
@ItachiUchiha uhmwell, I'd have thought about much earlier; and yeah, another session on Saturday, why not
But this seems to be in high demand, so I thought about scheduling one Real Soon Now(tm) :p
 
Now?? Not today
 
fge
Well, why not
And it depends on your definition of "today" anyway (what's your time zone?)
 
1am
 
I went to swim without gogs and the water had high content of chlorine in it. I was in it for one and half hour. Now I can barely see :(
 
fge
5:10 PM
OK, so GMT + 8 for @Unihedro
 
My eyes are itchy and it is very diff to keep them open
 
fge
Can't you make a little effort? :p
 
fge
5:31 PM
Ohwell
So, no one interested in doing one, say, in 25mn?
 
Hello
 
fge
Hello too
 
Sam
Hello three
 
5:53 PM
morning
 
fge
@Sam three or there?
thinks he was too impatient to schedule his TDD session
 
Sam
@fge threeeeeeeeee
 
Hello four!
 
6:10 PM
@fge wait, when's it at?
 
6:21 PM
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fge
@Gemtastic I wanted it to be scheduled ASAP
(since it was kind of in high demand)
 
7:09 PM
@ItachiUchiha message Id changes?
 
fge
Note looking for a schedule for the first TDD session
 
7:27 PM
Well, tomorrow I have school, but apart from that I'm kinda free so whenever you say, I will do my best to be there
 
fge
@Gemtastic I'd have thought about, well, today
 
Does anyone know how to change the key values in a map<string,integer>?
 
@fge I might have to go to the store in an hour, but the night is free apart from that! :D
@Jun-GooKwak I'm not exactly a pro, but you're not supposed to change the key and keep the value, you can however get the the key, put the value into a new key and remove the old one
 
@Gemtastic Yea, that's what I'm also finding. So say I have 26 keys, and have an array of 26 new keys that I want to replace. Would I use a for loop and just swap the keys and delete the old ones?
 
@Jun-GooKwak Yes
 
7:39 PM
@Gemtastic Thanks! :)
 
But I still wonder why you want to replace the keys...
Sounds like a design flaw is in there to me
 
@Gemtastic Yea, I don't think that's the best choice. Basically the lab is trying to decipher a block of text. So I got all the letter keys and the number of times they are in the text file. Since the text is in English but is scrambled, I'm replacing all the keys by the frequency of letters in the english language, eg. e is first, etc.
Hopefully I can get the correct replacements to read most of the file, and then replace them and output it into another text file.
 
Yes, that sounds indeed like a design flaw. Is you map static? Otherwise, why not dynamically make a new map for each document?
 
@Gemtastic What do you mean by "dynamically making a new map for each document"?
 
(Not fully sure I understand what you're trying to do though but it sounds really weird that you try to change the key of a value for each document...)
 
fge
7:50 PM
@Gemtastic OK, good ;) We'll see
 
I'm not even sure you should be using map at all.. The point of map is to keep track of the values connected to a key...
 
Oh. So this is the first line of the text. "XWJG FBVCCVU, JYP XQZ GCVXQH XKAZG" I mapped out the keys as the letters, and have the individual occurrences.
I have my map which outputs the keys with the highest occurrence in descending order.
 
Ok, that far it makes sense
 
Now, in the lab document, I'm given the letters that occur with the most frequency in the english language. So E T A H O S I N R D B L M W G U C Y F J K V P X Q Z are the frequencies.
For my map, the key with the most frequency is Z P Q etc, etc.
Basically I want to swap the keys and the replace the letters in the original text file.
And then decipher the text file basically.
@Gemtastic To be honest, I'm not sure if that would work but is their some better implementation that you can think of off the top of your head?
 
First of, I wouldn't use an existing map for that, I'd make a new map with the new key and the old values.
Mutation in programming is in general pretty bad
 
8:03 PM
@Gemtastic Ah, that sounds a lot simpler. :p
 
Adding to and removing is fine for most things, but for what you're doing, you're trying to make a new map in an old one.
 
fge
@Jun-GooKwak you could use grappa for that
 
Yea I realize that now. I'll just go with the new map lol.
 
I'm glad I could be of help
 
:D thanks a lot.
@Gemtastic Oh, I see why I'm trying to change the old keys. I'm not sure how would I substitute the new letters from the new map.
It would have the old map's values, but I have no idea how to replace the original letters.
 
8:06 PM
There's no difference in trying to put new keys on old values and making a new map with new keys and old values
 
Alright. Thanks again.
 
fge
8:46 PM
Jooq absolutely rocks
If you mess up with your request, your SQL is bad
As simple as that
I love this "one to one" mapping
gist.github.com/fge/9bca465dd022852f5032 <-- less than 1 second for that complex request over 22 million entries
Only "because" you carefully crafted it AND you have a decent RDBMS engine behind
 
I must be pretty new to it because I don't see how the SQL can be bad.. it's all so simple
 
Have I missed the TDD session?
 
fge
@HamZa it's not started yet
I can do it any time
@Gemtastic oh, believe me, an SQL query can be very bad if you forget about what the R means in RDBMS
(gist updated)
But jooq really is great to just, well, teach you about proper SQL
I'm not joking
 
ok
 
fge
@Gemtastic do you understand what the request in the gist above does?
@HamZa @Gemtastic if you want, I can start a session in 10 minutes; would you be there?
 
8:56 PM
@fge If you could psuh it an hour I'd be there; I have to go shop :/
 
@fge I'm here but I'm not sure if it's worth it for 2 persons...
 
@fge I don't know what I'm supposed to not get
 
fge
@HamZa I believe it can be
 
@fge ok, I'm here. Can I prepare something?
 
fge
@Gemtastic then tell me ;) As to push it one hour I can do so
@HamZa well, pen and paper? ;)
 
8:58 PM
@fge I use notepad for that :P
 
fge
As you wish :p
 
I can't explain it more than what the code does. It does this:
jooq.select(lineField, DSL.max(NODES.LEVEL))
.from(NODES)
.where(indexCondition)
.groupBy(lineField)
.forEach(r -> ret.put(r.value1(), r.value2() + 1));
 
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